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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 14:07:40 GMT
This is kind of a spin off of this thread I started 9 days ago.
Poll numbers schmool numbers...I know. Poll numbers can vary blah blah blah.
US Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont) has surged to a lead over Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton in the first-in-the-nation primary state of New Hampshire, according to a new Franklin Pierce University/Boston Herald poll out late Tuesday night.
The poll gives Sanders a 44-37 lead over Clinton in the run for the Democratic nomination in the state.
It signals that Clinton will face a tougher-than-expected challenge in the important first-primary state, as voters in the Granite State remain unenthusiastic about her candidacy.
According to the poll, just 35% of New Hampshire Democratic voters said they are "excited" about Clinton's campaign. And 38% of Democrats have a "very favorable" impression of Clinton (though eight in 10 Democrats do view her favorably in general).
All of Clinton's numbers have plunged significantly since March, when Franklin Pierce University last surveyed the Granite State. In March, 50% of Democratic voters in the state viewed her "very favorably."
And Clinton held a 25-point lead in the state in the March poll over Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts), who is not running for president. Sanders garnered just 8% of the vote in March. Meanwhile, more than half of New Hampshire Democrats have a "very favorable" impression of Sanders, who has been seeing swelling crowds at events across the nation.
The poll grabbed the attention of many political analysts as a fresh sign of Clinton's potential weaknesses as a candidate.
"Clinton is in free fall, and leaders of the party agree that Sanders would lose at least 49 states in the general election," said Greg Valliere, the chief political strategist at the Potomac Research Group. "So the speculation will intensify — starting today — that Joe Biden may have to save the party from a debacle."
Biden, who will soon make a decision about running, grabs 9% of the Democratic vote in New Hampshire. According to the poll, 46% of New Hampshire Democrats said they want him to enter the race, while 42% want him to stay out. His favorability ratings have increased by 14 points since March among Democratic voters, according to the poll.
The poll's release comes as Clinton is preparing to hand over to federal authorities her private email server and thumb-drive of work-related emails during her time as secretary of state, an unexpected move in an attempt to quash the burgeoning controversy.
Clinton remains the overwhelming front-runner in both national polls and surveys of the first-voting state of Iowa. According to a Real Clear Politics average of recent national polls, she leads by an average of more than 35 points nationally and more than 25 points in Iowa.
The Boston Herald/FPU poll, which was conducted from August 7-10, has a margin of error of plus-or-minus 4.7%.
finance.yahoo.com/news/bernie-sanders-surges-ahead-hillary-124420862.html
(edited to add, although the Democratic party may begin to see this as a "debacle", I'm in no way gloating because the GOP still has Trump...the King of debacle)
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Post by likescarrots on Aug 12, 2015 14:13:40 GMT
It would certainly be an interesting election year if both sanders and trump ran as independent candidates.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 12, 2015 14:15:56 GMT
Meh, it's early days yet. I have learned the hard way not to predict too early.
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Post by Nicole in TX on Aug 12, 2015 14:25:39 GMT
---------- I really wanted to interrupt this thread with a Black Lives Matter Protest, just for humorous purposes.... -------------------------------------------------------  And I just saw Hillary FINALLY turned over her server. I never thought that would happen. And the classified stuff was actually top secret. Whoops. Maybe voters are starting to see the light. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 14:31:18 GMT
I don't feel sorry for her, as she's brought the controversy on herself.
I kinda feel like we're seeing a replay of 2008 when she seemed like a shoo-in for the Dem candidate until Obama turned up the heat on her.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 14:33:16 GMT
---------- I really wanted to interrupt this thread with a Black Lives Matter Protest, just for humorous purposes.... ------------------------------------------------------- And I just saw Hillary FINALLY turned over her server. I never thought that would happen. And the classified stuff was actually top secret. Whoops. Maybe voters are starting to see the light. I want to know why in the hell her attorney, who never had any kind of security clearance had the thumb drive.
But LOL at your "interruption". Now go interrupt the "what's for dinner" thread. LOL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 14:34:18 GMT
Meh, it's early days yet. I have learned the hard way not to predict too early. I don't at all disagree...and polls can and do vary widely. |
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Post by katieanna on Aug 12, 2015 14:54:31 GMT
It would certainly be an interesting election year if both sanders and trump ran as independent candidates.  Oh my gosh, how true! (I hadn't thought of that one before).  |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Aug 12, 2015 15:16:10 GMT
I'm no fan of Bernie Sanders but I would vote for the devil himself before Hillary Clinton
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Aug 12, 2015 15:28:10 GMT
It would certainly be an interesting election year if both sanders and trump ran as independent candidates. Or what if it were Hilary and Trump as independents? Do you think if Sanders gets the Dem nod, that Hilary would run independent? |
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Post by Sarah*H on Aug 12, 2015 15:47:08 GMT
Well there you go, why are we even bothering to put up a candidate?
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Post by likescarrots on Aug 12, 2015 15:54:33 GMT
It would certainly be an interesting election year if both sanders and trump ran as independent candidates. Or what if it were Hilary and Trump as independents? Do you think if Sanders gets the Dem nod, that Hilary would run independent? I think the Democrats will do everything they can to make sure Sanders is not their candidate, so unless it's Biden, and Clinton and Sanders both run independent, i think she will be their candidate. I also don't think she would run independent, she didn't last time and she still has a huge stake in the Democratic party, which would be broken if she ran against them. |
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 12, 2015 16:17:49 GMT
If a true socialist wins this election, we really have failed as a nation.
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Post by likescarrots on Aug 12, 2015 16:21:06 GMT
If a true socialist wins this election, we really have failed as a nation. That is certainly one person's opinion. |
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Post by quiltedbrain on Aug 12, 2015 16:34:10 GMT
And Clinton held a 25-point lead in the state in the March poll over Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts), who is not running for president. Sanders garnered just 8% of the vote in March. Meanwhile, more than half of New Hampshire Democrats have a "very favorable" impression of Sanders, who has been seeing swelling crowds at events across the nation.
The poll grabbed the attention of many political analysts as a fresh sign of Clinton's potential weaknesses as a candidate.
"Clinton is in free fall, and leaders of the party agree that Sanders would lose at least 49 states in the general election," said Greg Valliere, the chief political strategist at the Potomac Research Group. "So the speculation will intensify — starting today — that Joe Biden may have to save the party from a debacle."
Color and bold added by me to highlight what I'm referring to in my next comment. If the blue above is true, then why is the red above a given?? Argh, as a Sanders supporter, this assumption drives me nuts! For what it's worth, if Sanders doesn't get the nomination, I'm still not going to vote for Hillary, and Biden would be even less likely to get my vote. |
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 12, 2015 16:45:32 GMT
If a true socialist wins this election, we really have failed as a nation. That is certainly one person's opinion. I agree, it's this person's opinion. Mine. I shared it. Socialism is the opposite of freedom, it is the opposite of what this country was built and fought to become. We may as well have never fought the revolutionary war, signed the declaration or developed the constitution. Socialism is the antithesis of what our forefathers hoped we would become. It is the antithesis of liberty, and it leaves us deserving neither security or liberty. |
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Post by epeanymous on Aug 12, 2015 16:56:02 GMT
I'm a lifelong registered Democrat and would be fine with either candidate. My political views are closer to Sanders, but Clinton has a pretty much unmatched level of experience, and for the tiny bit it is worth, I did advance work for her at an event and she was, on a personal level, really gracious and kind (I cannot say the same, eg, for John Edwards, and we've seen how he imploded  ). I would have loved for Elizabeth Warren to get into the race. Her particular combination of extreme smarts, schoolmarminess, political positioning, and willingness to be blunt in her speeches appeals to me greatly. Had Clinton imploded early in the cycle, I imagine Warren would have been likely to throw her hat in the ring, but I am guessing that even were Clinton's campaign to tank at this point, Warren will not get in. Believe me, I get that many posters here disagree with, or disrespect, one or all of the candidates that I just named, and I am not personally all that interested in getting into a mud wrestling match about any particular candidate. I am just explaining how the candidates strike me as someone who has always voted as a Democrat and has been involved in campaign work for the party and for candidates at various times. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 18:16:05 GMT
I'm a lifelong registered Democrat and would be fine with either candidate. My political views are closer to Sanders, but Clinton has a pretty much unmatched level of experience, and for the tiny bit it is worth, I did advance work for her at an event and she was, on a personal level, really gracious and kind (I cannot say the same, eg, for John Edwards, and we've seen how he imploded ). I would have loved for Elizabeth Warren to get into the race. Her particular combination of extreme smarts, schoolmarminess, political positioning, and willingness to be blunt in her speeches appeals to me greatly. Had Clinton imploded early in the cycle, I imagine Warren would have been likely to throw her hat in the ring, but I am guessing that even were Clinton's campaign to tank at this point, Warren will not get in. Believe me, I get that many posters here disagree with, or disrespect, one or all of the candidates that I just named, and I am not personally all that interested in getting into a mud wrestling match about any particular candidate. I am just explaining how the candidates strike me as someone who has always voted as a Democrat and has been involved in campaign work for the party and for candidates at various times. I totally admire how you expressed your opinion without tearing down someone else's opinion. I think many people (myself included) could learn a lesson from you. I also really enjoy reading what others think of candidates or even political issues...especially if they differ from mine. |
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Post by compeateropeator on Aug 12, 2015 21:53:59 GMT
I'm no fan of Bernie Sanders but I would vote for the devil himself before Hillary Clinton I have to laugh at this. My father, who is a Democrat, wants a bumper sticker that says "anyone but Hilary". And he means it. He believes that she is not trust worthy,completely unscrupulous, and not for the good of the people. |
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Aug 12, 2015 22:50:32 GMT
Or what if it were Hilary and Trump as independents? Do you think if Sanders gets the Dem nod, that Hilary would run independent? I think the Democrats will do everything they can to make sure Sanders is not their candidate, so unless it's Biden, and Clinton and Sanders both run independent, i think she will be their candidate. I also don't think she would run independent, she didn't last time and she still has a huge stake in the Democratic party, which would be broken if she ran against them. Isn't the nominee chosen by voting in the primaries? That's why everyone in the later states say their vote doesn't matter because their choice is knocked out early on? Can it still be overthrown and the party still choose whoever they wish? |
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Post by mimima on Aug 12, 2015 22:55:45 GMT
I honestly see worrying about the Presidential Election now like celebrating Christmas in July. There is a time and a place, and over a year early is not either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 23:36:31 GMT
I honestly see worrying about the Presidential Election now like celebrating Christmas in July. There is a time and a place, and over a year early is not either. Is someone "worrying"? I see a nice, healthy political discussion. How else does the field (remember, the GOP's have 17 candidates...a "gaggle" as our dear friend krazyscrapper refers to them as) get narrowed down without discussion and debate?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 23:51:30 GMT
That is certainly one person's opinion. I agree, it's this person's opinion. Mine. I shared it. Socialism is the opposite of freedom, it is the opposite of what this country was built and fought to become. We may as well have never fought the revolutionary war, signed the declaration or developed the constitution. Socialism is the antithesis of what our forefathers hoped we would become. It is the antithesis of liberty, and it leaves us deserving neither security or liberty. I have to agree. |
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Post by Sarah*H on Aug 12, 2015 23:51:48 GMT
I googled it a little bit to see where this thought came from and the best I can tell is it's either from a comparison to McGovern or sourced from a 538 column where Nate parsed out his support in constituencies other than white liberals. I don't have any idea whose these "leaders" are but they're not very bright if they are drawing such sweeping conclusions before the majority of the electorate knows anything about Bernie.
Bernie advocates for democratic socialism as an economic system (which we already have to some degree) so what that has to do with freedom or the Declaration of Independence or our Constitution is a bit beyond me.
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Post by mimima on Aug 13, 2015 2:10:36 GMT
I honestly see worrying about the Presidential Election now like celebrating Christmas in July. There is a time and a place, and over a year early is not either. Is someone "worrying"? I see a nice, healthy political discussion. How else does the field (remember, the GOP's have 17 candidates...a "gaggle" as our dear friend krazyscrapper refers to them as) get narrowed down without discussion and debate?
I tend to think that we have a process to narrow down the field - the primary process. I may be kicking against the goads but if I were running for president I'd be livid at having to expend this kind of capital - both financial and intellectual - so early in the process. We are six months before the Iowa Caucus. When it gets to be close to time to vote in the primary (or actually caucus in my state) I will evaluate the candidates. Now, it's annoying and out of place. |
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 13, 2015 13:36:41 GMT
I googled it a little bit to see where this thought came from and the best I can tell is it's either from a comparison to McGovern or sourced from a 538 column where Nate parsed out his support in constituencies other than white liberals. I don't have any idea whose these "leaders" are but they're not very bright if they are drawing such sweeping conclusions before the majority of the electorate knows anything about Bernie. Bernie advocates for democratic socialism as an economic system (which we already have to some degree) so what that has to do with freedom or the Declaration of Independence or our Constitution is a bit beyond me. Because capitalism is the economic system of true freedom. A democratic socialist in any form is the antithesis of our founding principles. We only have some form of democratic socialism which is horrible because of presidents like Woodrow Wilson who were horrible presidents. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 14:02:19 GMT
If a true socialist wins this election, we really have failed as a nation. That is certainly one person's opinion. No, this is historical fact. Socialism is a failure. It always fails. No matter how many times it is tried, it will always fail. Why? Because of human nature. Human nature does not change, no matter how much socialists try to engineer it. And it will kill people in the process. Lots of people. We learned nothing from the 20th century. Nothing. On the subject of Hillary - She's going to prison, if there be a God. She's a slimy, lying, shameless, corrupt hag who has left a trail of destroyed lives and probably even some dead bodies in her wake. Her teflon is flaking off, though. And I'm not so sure that Obama isn't actively trying to sink her behind the scenes. The Clintons and the Obamas are mortal enemies, despite the show they put on for the last seven years. But the fact that JOE BIDEN is the sole remaining hope for the Democrats makes me giddy. Positively giddy. The GOP has at least five really good, solid candidates- two latinos, a black man and a woman and a white guy, all young. They have Joe "foot in mouth" Biden. Another old, semi-rich, white guy. Tell me again how diverse the democrats are? Sadly, though, I have lost faith in most of the American electorate. They have lost their collective minds. They have been brainwashed, and are incapable of seeing truth through the rhetoric. And that's not just democrats, the popularity of Trump tells me that there are plenty of people on "my" side who are only looking for the next cult leader, a republican Obama, so to speak. So while this is going to be entertaining, I am not holding out much hope that the American people will ever choose freedom ever again. |
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Post by likescarrots on Aug 13, 2015 14:30:54 GMT
Is someone "worrying"? I see a nice, healthy political discussion. How else does the field (remember, the GOP's have 17 candidates...a "gaggle" as our dear friend krazyscrapper refers to them as) get narrowed down without discussion and debate?
I tend to think that we have a process to narrow down the field - the primary process. I may be kicking against the goads but if I were running for president I'd be livid at having to expend this kind of capital - both financial and intellectual - so early in the process. We are six months before the Iowa Caucus. When it gets to be close to time to vote in the primary (or actually caucus in my state) I will evaluate the candidates. Now, it's annoying and out of place. well please point us in the direction of the person that forced you to participate in this thread, and we will take care of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 15:10:10 GMT
That is certainly one person's opinion. No, this is historical fact. Socialism is a failure. It always fails. No matter how many times it is tried, it will always fail. Why? Because of human nature. Human nature does not change, no matter how much socialists try to engineer it. And it will kill people in the process. Lots of people. We learned nothing from the 20th century. Nothing. The only thing killing people is the right who feels the only way to can settle a foreign dispute is with military force. Then they don't take care of the men and women they send to fight these wars when they come back damaged. Oh and the fact they choose to do nothing to stop all the senseless killings with guns. Their mantra. More guns!!!! On the subject of Hillary - She's going to prison, if there be a God. She's a slimy, lying, shameless, corrupt hag who has left a trail of destroyed lives and probably even some dead bodies in her wake. Her teflon is flaking off, though. And I'm not so sure that Obama isn't actively trying to sink her behind the scenes. The Clintons and the Obamas are mortal enemies, despite the show they put on for the last seven years. Your wacky take on things is just flat out amazing. Do you make these things up or parrot the words of some right ring whack job blogger?But the fact that JOE BIDEN is the sole remaining hope for the Democrats makes me giddy. Positively giddy. The GOP has at least five really good, solid candidates- two latinos, a black man and a woman and a white guy, all young. They have Joe "foot in mouth" Biden. Another old, semi-rich, white guy. Tell me again how diverse the democrats are? Sorry lynlam I hate to burst your little bubble of giddiness but you have The Donald and he doesn't seem to be going anywhere. That is an embarrassment to the GOP. I mean it really is. Sadly, though, I have lost faith in most of the American electorate. They have lost their collective minds. They have been brainwashed, and are incapable of seeing truth through the rhetoric. And that's not just democrats, the popularity of Trump tells me that there are plenty of people on "my" side who are only looking for the next cult leader, a republican Obama, so to speak. So while this is going to be entertaining, I am not holding out much hope that the American people will ever choose freedom ever again. I was going to ignore your rant until I came to this statement. Once again you insult people who don't see things your way. There are way too many people who think like you do and it's that type of thinking that will drive this country into the ground. Let's hope they very people you continue to insult will make sure that doesn't happen. Me in bold. |
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Post by likescarrots on Aug 13, 2015 16:27:21 GMT
But the fact that JOE BIDEN is the sole remaining hope for the Democrats makes me giddy. Positively giddy. The GOP has at least five really good, solid candidates- two latinos, a black man and a woman and a white guy, all young. They have Joe "foot in mouth" Biden. Another old, semi-rich, white guy. Tell me again how diverse the democrats are?[br I know you are incapable of deciphering facts, but I'm going to lay them out anyway. Donald Trump is worth 4-10 billion dollars. Carly Fiorina - 59 million. Jeb Bush - 20 million. Kasich - between 9 and 22 million. Carson earned between 9 - 27 million over the past 18 months. Huckabee - 7-29 million. ----- Joe Biden and Bernie sanders are each worth under a million dollars. Hillary Clinton is a woman. But the democrats are so obviously lacking in diversity and social status. |
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