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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 14:26:27 GMT
You can google it.
This one is an interview with a former employee of the company that procured the "tissue".
PP "counselors" are trained to use sanitized language when trying to get the women to sign the consent form, to keep them from really understanding what they are agreeing to. To use words like "Tissue", and to tell them that they will be helping to cure awful diseases by donating the "tissue", to give them something good to take away from the horrific thing they are about to do, make them feel better about themselves. Disturbing to say the least.
Even more disturbing, they are compensated - given a bonus if you will, for every form they get signed. Anywhere from $5-$20 per form. So when they are cajoling these vulnerable and emotionally distraught women into donating their "tissue", they aren't doing it for some altruistic reason...they are doing it in order to line their OWN pockets. They are PROFITING from it. There is no other way to spin that.
But for the kicker - she says that since the parts are all mixed up at the end of the day anyway, the techs usually just take whatever they want, that there is no way to tell which "Samples" came from women who signed the form and which didn't, and no way for the women who didn't sign to ever know that their babies bodies are being sold for cash against their will. And this doesn't surprise me in the least, after watching video #5, where they actually show the bag full of blood and parts all mixed together. That was my first thought - how in the world do they know which parts are which?
That last video, showed the tech sorting through the bag, and holding up a tiny little arm and hand with her tweezers. I will never get that image out of my head. Never. How can you call that "tissue" and not a baby?
We have to shut this monstrosity down. We are no better than Nazi's.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 14:44:19 GMT
There is definitely on incentive on PPs part to procure. I am not sure how anyone can deny that? Whether they use the $s just for annual funding of their business or whether it lines someone's pocket makes no difference to me. Because one can easily show no-profit just by increasing wages or incentives to employees to come out to $0 bottom line. Doesn't mean specific people aren't making $s off of this. But many spin that they are non-profit....baloney!
Situations where you incentivize employees can lead to moral hazard. I can tell you from being in HR for many many years and writing incentive plans, most employees want the incentives and will use almost any means possible to get them (even skirting any rules that are in place) unless you have someone above them monitoring and checking. And we've seen that those up the chain at PP aren't doing so.
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Post by roxley on Aug 13, 2015 15:17:29 GMT
I'm never one to wade into a topic like this but am feeling cheeky today.
Setting aside the issue of whether or you are pro life/choice any tissue donation should be handled the same as any other organ donation and if they aren't following th law it should be stopped.
I don't know if they are or not.
They should do the exact same thing hospitals have to do when a heart is donated.
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Post by foolana on Aug 13, 2015 15:56:46 GMT
Who cares? How many times do you have to post about this to get your point across? We get it already. Jeez.
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Post by loco coco on Aug 13, 2015 16:12:53 GMT
disgusting
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 16:43:44 GMT
Who cares? How many times do you have to post about this to get your point across? We get it already. Jeez. Some of us actually do. When the first video came out, a lot of hubbub was made about why they waited so long (12 months) to release it. Well, we have now learned it is because the future videos seem to be getting progressively worse. I would like to hope the makers of the videos had hopes that the first few would be enough to get the attention of a lot of people with the least amount of damaging information. But obviously that isn't happening. And the powers at PP just keep denying and then a new worse piece of information/film is exposed and they have to backtrack even more.
And honestly the more that comes out, the more I wonder why "the other side" can't seem to admit there are MAJOR issues in PP's harvesting processes and at least be willing to be on the side that asks for an investigation. Each video has more and more damaging information. Deny it all you want, but personally I want everyone to at least have a clue what is in these videos and ask themselves if they personally care and when it crosses their own personal line of justice/moral hazard.
It's not like you can't just skip over this post...it was blatantly labeled as a post about PP videos.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Aug 13, 2015 16:56:19 GMT
Who cares? How many times do you have to post about this to get your point across? We get it already. Jeez. Some of us actually do. When the first video came out, a lot of hubbub was made about why they waited so long (12 months) to release it. Well, we have now learned it is because the future videos seem to be getting progressively worse. I would like to hope the makers of the videos had hopes that the first few would be enough to get the attention of a lot of people with the least amount of damaging information. But obviously that isn't happening. And the powers at PP just keep denying and then a new worse piece of information/film is exposed and they have to backtrack even more.
And honestly the more that comes out, the more I wonder why "the other side" can't seem to admit there are MAJOR issues in PP's harvesting processes and at least be willing to be on the side that asks for an investigation. Each video has more and more damaging information. Deny it all you want, but personally I want everyone to at least have a clue what is in these videos and ask themselves if they personally care and when it crosses their own personal line of justice/moral hazard.
It's not like you can't just skip over this post...it was blatantly labeled as a post about PP videos.
My hunch is that they waited this long so that it is closer to election season. They also are strategically releasing new videos so that it stays in the forefront of the news and in people's minds. I don't think they are releasing them this way because there isn't enough outcry so they have to up the ante. Do we know for sure that there is "nothing" being done about this? At that PP isn't being investigated? I don't have the privilege to know all of that information so if you do, please share.
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Post by jonda1974 on Aug 13, 2015 16:59:40 GMT
It does seem to be more and more reminiscent of Dr. Mengele.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 13, 2015 17:07:44 GMT
I have said this on other threads, I feel the timing of these video's was made to coincide with the Pope's visit to the US. The visit will get a lot of media coverage and I fear the last video will be so horrific (late term abortion) that the Pope will be expected to address it. This is the Year of the Family in the Catholic Church.
You know, those at Planned Parenthood who talked to these people making the video's by now know they have been duped. They also know what they said, what they saw and what is to come. There doesn't seem to be any advance damage control so I think they will get progressively shocking and potentially head down the path of illegality.
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Post by mrgiedrnkr on Aug 13, 2015 17:14:55 GMT
As a qualifier to my bias, I am far leaning left pro-choice. I have watched all of them and I will admit that they are disturbing. Having had 16-18 week babies delivered myself, some of the images have hit home hard because we held our babies of that size.
Having said that, I feel like this was the least damning video because there is no proof of her accusations. While I don't doubt what she is saying, anyone could sit in front of a camera and say that they worked there. Each of the other videos had hard core proof of wrong doing and this one doesn't.
Been a big topic of conversation in our house because of our experiences. Stacy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 17:20:09 GMT
You know, those at Planned Parenthood who talked to these people making the video's by now know they have been duped. They also know what they said, what they saw and what is to come. There doesn't seem to be any advance damage control so I think they will get progressively shocking and potentially head down the path of illegality.
I agree I think they will get worse. I have to wonder if those at PP who now know can even remember what they said, especially if it is how they normally talk/negotiate with vendors such as these. And I have to wonder if those on videos that haven't come out yet will admit they were duped, because I could easily see them losing their positions with PP as scapegoats, even if the policies were approved (even if not written or verbal but just well known behind the curtain with deniable plausibility).
I didn't read the whole last long thread so I have missed any timing connection with a visit from the Pope. I am not Catholic so don't tend to keep up on those matters, but definitely thanks for pointing out that timing. I do agree that part of the timing is the election cycle and turning up the heat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 17:22:54 GMT
My hunch is that they waited this long so that it is closer to election season. They also are strategically releasing new videos so that it stays in the forefront of the news and in people's minds. I don't think they are releasing them this way because there isn't enough outcry so they have to up the ante. Do we know for sure that there is "nothing" being done about this? At that PP isn't being investigated? I don't have the privilege to know all of that information so if you do, please share.
At this point, all I have heard or read is the TX state investigation of the Houston branch that made it onto the 5th(?) video. And then the few states who have withdrawn some state level funding. Not much that I have heard from the National level....There was the one vote in Congress that failed and a few calls for investigation. But I haven't heard of any other than the TX state one starting. Hopefully there are some that just aren't getting media attention. And I sure haven't seen PPs PR team suggest that they themselves are internally investigating, but I might have missed that in their denials of doing anything illegal.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 17:30:00 GMT
As a qualifier to my bias, I am far leaning left pro-choice. I have watched all of them and I will admit that they are disturbing. Having had 16-18 week babies delivered myself, some of the images have hit home hard because we held our babies of that size. Having said that, I feel like this was the least damning video because there is no proof of her accusations. While I don't doubt what she is saying, anyone could sit in front of a camera and say that they worked there. Each of the other videos had hard core proof of wrong doing and this one doesn't. Been a big topic of conversation in our house because of our experiences. Stacy
What I find interesting about this 6th one is that it does bring to the forefront the question of proving that the tissue they are sending (if not selling) matches back to a specific mother/fetus and the moral hazard of not being able to do so since they are not tracking it that we know of. Truly what is to keep PP from harvesting every one or even most of the good ones and claiming those are the ones they have waivers on? If they have a mom who doesn't sign the waiver for medical research and yet have a great specimen that can bring in funds, will they make the moral choice? I don't know, especially if they view it as recyclable trash that can do some good in the world and bring money into their organization that can do good for women (from their viewpoint).
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Post by gottapeanow on Aug 13, 2015 17:45:06 GMT
Despite my strong pro-life values, I haven't posted on these threads at all.
And TBH, I can't watch the videos. I just can't. I can't watch ISIS beheading videos either.
But I believe the delay in waiting 12 months was this. One video would be discredited. Two videos, maybe. Three videos, not so much. And now, well, I really don't hear opponents saying they are doctored up videos anymore. The totality of the videos makes the strongest point possible, an air-tight message of what's happening at PP.
And they're only half-way done releasing them.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it probably is a duck.
It reminds me a bit of people who say the Holocaust didn't happen despite the irrefutable proof to the contrary.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 13, 2015 17:54:23 GMT
I am someone from "the other side".
I will tell you why I am not up in arms about the videos.
I absolutely believe in the right to an abortion. I absolutely believe in the right to choose. I absolutely believe in the right to access to an abortion.
Nothing will change that.
I also do not have a problem with fetal tissue being used for research. I believe it is important.
If the people releasing these videos were truly only concerned with the ethics of how PP is being run I would be willing to have that discussion. However, the people releasing these videos are anti-choice and are attempting to destroy PP as a way to effectively remove access to abortion for the vast majority of women. If you want to suspend funding of PP and investigate, fine. BUT provide and fund an alternative abortion provider in the interim.
That's not what these people want to do. These people want to end access to abortion, period, So no matter how bad or damaging or disturbing these videos get, I will refuse to take them seriously and will stand with PP unless and until a viable alternative is presented and funded.
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Post by loco coco on Aug 13, 2015 17:55:52 GMT
I have said this on other threads, I feel the timing of these video's was made to coincide with the Pope's visit to the US. The visit will get a lot of media coverage and I fear the last video will be so horrific (late term abortion) that the Pope will be expected to address it. This is the Year of the Family in the Catholic Church. You know, those at Planned Parenthood who talked to these people making the video's by now know they have been duped. They also know what they said, what they saw and what is to come. There doesn't seem to be any advance damage control so I think they will get progressively shocking and potentially head down the path of illegality. I seriously hope not, I am pro choice but very very much against late term abortions and it would make me so sick to know funds have been going to a place that would do that. Just thinking about that makes me sick, after the Gosnell case some of those images are burned in my memory forever.
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Post by foolana on Aug 13, 2015 18:18:12 GMT
Has anyone commenting here ever actually been to Planned Parenthood? I have been and very recently. They have not done anything that is against the law and the people who worked there were kind, loving and dedicated to womens' health care My daughter was going to have an abortion in July but had a miscarriage days before. There was nobody bullying her or forcing her to make her decision. They advised her of the option of adoption. They made her wait a week to come in for the procedure just in case she changed her mind. There were many women in the waiting room who were pregnant and there for pre-natal care. I'm so sick of hearing how horrible PP is and the lies that are perpetrated by people here.
While you're up in arms over PP, please also be up in arms over innocent lives being taken by legal guns. There's no difference, right? Don't get me started on the death penalty that right-wingers love so much, either.
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Post by blondiec47 on Aug 13, 2015 18:22:51 GMT
Has anyone commenting here ever actually been to Planned Parenthood? I have been and very recently. They have not done anything that is against the law and the people who worked there were kind, loving and dedicated to womens' health care My daughter was going to have an abortion in July but had a miscarriage days before. There was nobody bullying her or forcing her to make her decision. They advised her of the option of adoption. They made her wait a week to come in for the procedure just in case she changed her mind. There were many women in the waiting room who were pregnant and there for pre-natal care. I'm so sick of hearing how horrible PP is and the lies that are perpetrated by people here. While you're up in arms over PP, please also be up in arms over innocent lives being taken by legal guns. There's no difference, right? Don't get me started on the death penalty that right-wingers love so much, either. Yes and I was disgusted with the entire experience. I went for a pregnancy test (this was before the good over the counter tests we have now) before I was even given the test they wanted me to schedule my abortion so if it was positive I would not have to wait. And they are not gentle about it, they were really giving me the hard sell even after I said I probably would not go that route. And more people are killed by abortion than guns. And there you go generalizing again, this right winger is very against the death penalty
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Aug 13, 2015 18:27:15 GMT
Has anyone commenting here ever actually been to Planned Parenthood? I have been and very recently. They have not done anything that is against the law and the people who worked there were kind, loving and dedicated to womens' health care My daughter was going to have an abortion in July but had a miscarriage days before. There was nobody bullying her or forcing her to make her decision. They advised her of the option of adoption. They made her wait a week to come in for the procedure just in case she changed her mind. There were many women in the waiting room who were pregnant and there for pre-natal care. I'm so sick of hearing how horrible PP is and the lies that are perpetrated by people here. While you're up in arms over PP, please also be up in arms over innocent lives being taken by legal guns. There's no difference, right? Don't get me started on the death penalty that right-wingers love so much, either. Yes and I was disgusted with the entire experience. I went for a pregnancy test (this was before the good over the counter tests we have now) before I was even given the test they wanted me to schedule my abortion so if it was positive I would not have to wait. And they are not gentle about it, they were really giving me the hard sell even after I said I probably would not go that route. And more people are killed by abortion than guns. And there you go generalizing again, this right winger is very against the death penalty I went for a pregnancy test when I was in college. This was not my experience at all.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 18:27:51 GMT
Who cares? How many times do you have to post about this to get your point across? We get it already. Jeez.
And honestly the more that comes out, the more I wonder why "the other side" can't seem to admit there are MAJOR issues in PP's harvesting processes and at least be willing to be on the side that asks for an investigation. Each video has more and more damaging information. Deny it all you want, but personally I want everyone to at least have a clue what is in these videos and ask themselves if they personally care and when it crosses their own personal line of justice/moral hazard.
It's not like you can't just skip over this post...it was blatantly labeled as a post about PP videos.
Let me ask a question. Are they major issues or is PP following the accepted norm when it comes to tissue research? I don't think a whole of people know what the steps are from the time tissue becomes available to the time it's used for research. Quite frankly I don't want to know. I know tissue research has yielded discoveries that have helped the masses. Like the vaccine for polio. And for someone who grew up in the age of iron lungs I 'm grateful they did find a vaccine. However while I don't want to know all the details involving tissue research I don't have any problem with an audit being done at PP that checks the protocols of handling tissue and if they are following the accepted practices when it comes to tissue and donations and proper fees charged. But we have now is nothing but an old fashion witch hunt started by videos provided by an organization that sole purpose is to make abortion illegal by any means they can. Videos can be edited. Edited to the extent no one is the wiser.
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Post by blondiec47 on Aug 13, 2015 18:33:01 GMT
Yes and I was disgusted with the entire experience. I went for a pregnancy test (this was before the good over the counter tests we have now) before I was even given the test they wanted me to schedule my abortion so if it was positive I would not have to wait. And they are not gentle about it, they were really giving me the hard sell even after I said I probably would not go that route. And more people are killed by abortion than guns. And there you go generalizing again, this right winger is very against the death penalty I went for a pregnancy test when I was in college. This was not my experience at all. Then you were lucky, I know a few people that have had experience with PP and none of it was pleasant. And no it was not all the same clinic.
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Post by foolana on Aug 13, 2015 18:35:03 GMT
Has anyone commenting here ever actually been to Planned Parenthood? I have been and very recently. They have not done anything that is against the law and the people who worked there were kind, loving and dedicated to womens' health care My daughter was going to have an abortion in July but had a miscarriage days before. There was nobody bullying her or forcing her to make her decision. They advised her of the option of adoption. They made her wait a week to come in for the procedure just in case she changed her mind. There were many women in the waiting room who were pregnant and there for pre-natal care. I'm so sick of hearing how horrible PP is and the lies that are perpetrated by people here. While you're up in arms over PP, please also be up in arms over innocent lives being taken by legal guns. There's no difference, right? Don't get me started on the death penalty that right-wingers love so much, either. Yes and I was disgusted with the entire experience. I went for a pregnancy test (this was before the good over the counter tests we have now) before I was even given the test they wanted me to schedule my abortion so if it was positive I would not have to wait. And they are not gentle about it, they were really giving me the hard sell even after I said I probably would not go that route. And more people are killed by abortion than guns. And there you go generalizing again, this right winger is very against the death penalty If this was the pre-home pregnancy test era, I'll assume it was at least 25 years ago. I was there 7 weeks ago. Big difference.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Aug 13, 2015 18:35:13 GMT
I went to PP for BC and exams, too, and no one pushed abortion literature on me when I went...
do we really have to do this "I know people, you know people" thing with this type of thread? I'm sure people's personal experiences are all over the map depending on where they went, how long ago it was, etc. etc. and that not every clinic or person who works at those clinics are exactly the same.
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Post by foolana on Aug 13, 2015 18:36:29 GMT
Yes and I was disgusted with the entire experience. I went for a pregnancy test (this was before the good over the counter tests we have now) before I was even given the test they wanted me to schedule my abortion so if it was positive I would not have to wait. And they are not gentle about it, they were really giving me the hard sell even after I said I probably would not go that route. And more people are killed by abortion than guns. And there you go generalizing again, this right winger is very against the death penalty I went for a pregnancy test when I was in college. This was not my experience at all. Same here. I went there in college for birth control and my experience was wonderful.
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Post by blondiec47 on Aug 13, 2015 18:38:51 GMT
I'm out--I am totally pro-life and listening to people justify killing an innocent child is not something I need to listen to. Have a nice day
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Post by foolana on Aug 13, 2015 18:40:12 GMT
I went to PP for BC and exams, too, and no one pushed abortion literature on me when I went... do we really have to do this "I know people, you know people" thing with this type of thread? I'm sure people's personal experiences are all over the map depending on where they went, how long ago it was, etc. etc. and that not every clinic or person who works at those clinics are exactly the same. I understand your point but I would tend to believe someone who has actually been to a Planned Parenthood themselves over someone who hasn't.
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Post by foolana on Aug 13, 2015 18:45:11 GMT
I'm out--I am totally pro-life and listening to people justify killing an innocent child is not something I need to listen to. Have a nice day I guess that means you're anti gun then, right? Thousands of children have been killed by guns over the years. Also, no one is justifying "killing an innocent child." It's about women having control over their own bodies.
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Post by foolana on Aug 13, 2015 18:46:49 GMT
What? What a ridiculous argument.
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Post by loco coco on Aug 13, 2015 18:49:16 GMT
Has anyone commenting here ever actually been to Planned Parenthood? I have been and very recently. They have not done anything that is against the law and the people who worked there were kind, loving and dedicated to womens' health care My daughter was going to have an abortion in July but had a miscarriage days before. There was nobody bullying her or forcing her to make her decision. They advised her of the option of adoption. They made her wait a week to come in for the procedure just in case she changed her mind. There were many women in the waiting room who were pregnant and there for pre-natal care. I'm so sick of hearing how horrible PP is and the lies that are perpetrated by people here. While you're up in arms over PP, please also be up in arms over innocent lives being taken by legal guns. There's no difference, right? Don't get me started on the death penalty that right-wingers love so much, either. Yes I have been to PP, and yes I do think mixing up body parts not matching signed waivers and selling them is against the law.
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Post by foolana on Aug 13, 2015 18:54:49 GMT
Has anyone commenting here ever actually been to Planned Parenthood? I have been and very recently. They have not done anything that is against the law and the people who worked there were kind, loving and dedicated to womens' health care My daughter was going to have an abortion in July but had a miscarriage days before. There was nobody bullying her or forcing her to make her decision. They advised her of the option of adoption. They made her wait a week to come in for the procedure just in case she changed her mind. There were many women in the waiting room who were pregnant and there for pre-natal care. I'm so sick of hearing how horrible PP is and the lies that are perpetrated by people here. While you're up in arms over PP, please also be up in arms over innocent lives being taken by legal guns. There's no difference, right? Don't get me started on the death penalty that right-wingers love so much, either. Yes I have been to PP, and yes I do think mixing up body parts not matching signed waivers and selling them is against the law. If that is truly the case then the people responsible should be arrested and tried in court. I think that a lot of these videos are meant to obvuscate and make PP look bad by anti-abortion zealots. I do think that's what's going on here.
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