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Post by Merge on Aug 18, 2015 10:28:12 GMT
I apologize if there is already a thread on this - I did a couple of searches and didn't see anything. The Alpha Phi sorority at the University of Alabama created this recruitment video: linkThey're being bashed for their lack of diversity, but personally, I think the larger problem is that the objectification and sexualization that is the video's main feature. I mean, if that's how they want to portray themselves, that's fine, but as the parent who writes the checks for my child's college education, no way in hell would I be paying my daughter's dues, house fees, etc. to a group that chooses to look like a teaser film for Girls Gone Wild. Thoughts?
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Post by Florida Cindy on Aug 18, 2015 11:21:48 GMT
If I had a daughter who wanted to join, I'd tell her she needs to pay for the sorority expenses. Does your daughter want to join a sorority?
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Post by Kymberlee on Aug 18, 2015 11:31:58 GMT
I'll jump in here although you will have to bear with me as I haven't had my coffee yet this morning. I just watched the whole video (not just the bikini clips shown on the news), and I thought it was a well done video. The bits of the video that showed the young women in their bathing suits wasn't over the top at all. Most of the women were wearing shorts or coverups and the video showed young women having fun and goofing off just like most people their age.
i also don't get the butt hurt about the lack of diversity. It is a sorority for shit's sake. Every sorority on every campus has their own personality. Apparently, the personality of this sorority is that of young, hot, mostly blonde cheerleader types. If that isn't your style, find another sorority to join.
just my my thoughts this morning before the caffeine kicks in. I'm sure I will be back later.
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Post by Kymberlee on Aug 18, 2015 11:32:56 GMT
If I had a daughter who wanted to join, I'd tell her she needs to pay for the sorority expenses. Does your daughter want to join a sorority? That particular sorority or any sorority? Just curious.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Aug 18, 2015 11:34:17 GMT
So many thoughts... so many ways to bite my tongue. I may be better off composing my thoughts and coming back to this discussion.
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Post by momstime on Aug 18, 2015 11:47:22 GMT
I think that sorority looks like a BLAST! I did not see anything overly sexual about that video at all. They are all beautiful girls just being girls. It seems odd that they didn't highlight any of their charity work or studying...but I guess that isn't what recruitment is all about. Thinking back to my rush days, I guess I was drawn to the sorority that looked like fun with girls who really liked each other. I think the fuss is a whole lot of to do about nothing.
As to the diversity...my sorority was all white, too. Not for lack of trying or not trying. It was the nature of the beast. We had SELF segregated fraternities/sororities. I chalked that up to people want to see people like themselves in their social circles. That is not racist. It is just fact. It can be uncomfortable (real or imagined) to be the only white/black face in a crowd, no matter how enlightened you may be.
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Post by bigbundt on Aug 18, 2015 11:57:32 GMT
I'll jump in here although you will have to bear with me as I haven't had my coffee yet this morning. I just watched the whole video (not just the bikini clips shown on the news), and I thought it was a well done video. The bits of the video that showed the young women in their bathing suits wasn't over the top at all. Most of the women were wearing shorts or coverups and the video showed young women having fun and goofing off just like most people their age. i also don't get the butt hurt about the lack of diversity. It is a sorority for shit's sake. Every sorority on every campus has their own personality. Apparently, the personality of this sorority is that of young, hot, mostly blonde cheerleader types. If that isn't your style, find another sorority to join. just my my thoughts this morning before the caffeine kicks in. I'm sure I will be back later. I have had my caffeine this morning and I agree with you. I guess I do wonder at the diversity because it is SO obvious in this video but that is more of an issue with the sorority, not the recruitment video. Seems like something a bunch of college girls would put together.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2015 12:03:28 GMT
I'll jump in here although you will have to bear with me as I haven't had my coffee yet this morning. I just watched the whole video (not just the bikini clips shown on the news), and I thought it was a well done video. The bits of the video that showed the young women in their bathing suits wasn't over the top at all. Most of the women were wearing shorts or coverups and the video showed young women having fun and goofing off just like most people their age. i also don't get the butt hurt about the lack of diversity. It is a sorority for shit's sake. Every sorority on every campus has their own personality. Apparently, the personality of this sorority is that of young, hot, mostly blonde cheerleader types. If that isn't your style, find another sorority to join. just my my thoughts this morning before the caffeine kicks in. I'm sure I will be back later. This is pretty much my thoughts on it. I was going to join a sorority once upon a time. There were plenty of good looking girls but also plenty of average looking, average sized girls. I remember the majority of them being education majors which is why I wanted to join that one. I had a bad experience with their "brother" fraternity so I ended up not completing the rush or paying any dues. My parents had told me that they will pay for my room and board and books but any social expenses were on me and that included sororities. If I had a daughter, I'd tell her the same thing. DH and I have told the boys that we will help with as much education expenses as possible but all social expenses are on them.
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Post by gritzi on Aug 18, 2015 12:07:01 GMT
I'm in agreement w/Kymberlee. I don't really understand the fuss over the video. It looked like a group of beautiful blonde girls from a sorority. I'm guessing UA is a large enough campus that offers a sorority/frat available to most who wish to join.
Should UA's Alpha Delta Chi chapter be ridiculed if no atheists participate, or because no Caucasians are in the Alpha Kappa Alpha sorority?
I was expecting to view a video that equaled those recorded from Panama City's Spring Break.
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Post by katybee on Aug 18, 2015 12:11:21 GMT
I don't know anything about the controversy – although they do not look diverse in anyway – but I have a friend who is an alum and is very active in their recruiting. She post things on Facebook about them all the time! Her daughter is also a current member… i'll have to ask her about this.
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Post by shanniebananie on Aug 18, 2015 12:12:44 GMT
Every sorority these days puts out a very similar recruiting video - just search youtube and they will come up. I have no idea why this one is being singled out. I don't have a problem with them at all. Obviously, they were told to submit photos that show themselves looking attractive, visiting exciting places and having tons of fun together. Looks like a blast to me!
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Post by melissa on Aug 18, 2015 12:15:18 GMT
This video is far from isolated. There are sorority recruitment videos that are quite similar from other sororities and schools.
I guess we did not have a lot of diversity in our sorority, but we did not have a lot of diversity on our campus in general. It was an engineering school in the northeast. I think our little sorority represented the same diversity on campus which was rather low. But, I also did not belong to a large "beautiful people" type chapter. We were at a tough school, with tough majors. Our chapter was much smaller than at these large schools as well.
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Post by monklady123 on Aug 18, 2015 12:17:56 GMT
I'll jump in here although you will have to bear with me as I haven't had my coffee yet this morning. I just watched the whole video (not just the bikini clips shown on the news), and I thought it was a well done video. The bits of the video that showed the young women in their bathing suits wasn't over the top at all. Most of the women were wearing shorts or coverups and the video showed young women having fun and goofing off just like most people their age. i also don't get the butt hurt about the lack of diversity. It is a sorority for shit's sake. Every sorority on every campus has their own personality. Apparently, the personality of this sorority is that of young, hot, mostly blonde cheerleader types. If that isn't your style, find another sorority to join. just my my thoughts this morning before the caffeine kicks in. I'm sure I will be back later. Depends on the school as to whether or not the sororities will be diverse. My dd's school has a black sorority. It's not at all diverse. My dd's is mostly white, although there are a few black girls and a few other non-whites. The sorority in this video is very much more homogenous looking than my dd's sorority (dd's seems to have fewer of the tall thin blonde types) but maybe that's what is prevalent at this school? Anyway, I watched the video and I agree that it looks like a bunch of girls having a good time. Yes, they're all cut from a similar mold. But that doesn't mean that they aren't nice girls (most of them...I mean, every sorority and every group of any kind has people who aren't nice), it doesn't mean that they aren't fierce women's rights types, it doesn't mean that they do no philanthropy (I think all sororities these days have a service element with some charity that they support).
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Post by Merge on Aug 18, 2015 12:23:21 GMT
I guess what rubbed me the wrong way was that the entire thing was about stereotypically hot girls being hot girls. I'm sorry, but the piggyback rides, the water floatie fight, the wink-wink as two girls in bathing suits walk off together hand in hand, bending over butt in the air to hike the football back to the admiring football player ... it seemed to me to be designed as much to appeal to the fraternity boys as anyone else. Or to make girls think if they join this sorority they'll be more attractive to guys.
Whenever the subject of Greek stereotypes is brought up, people are quick to bring up the academic standards and the community service and talk about how Greeks are not how they are often portrayed. Well, this seems to be a sorority that actively embraces the "we're all about how cute we are, partying, and attracting guys" stereotype. And it's off-putting to me. We are four years from college and I wouldn't want my daughters to join any organization that promotes looks and sexuality above all else in recruiting new members.
ETA: I guess I'm the only one who objects to eighteen-year-old young women being recruited this way.
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Post by iowgirl on Aug 18, 2015 12:26:47 GMT
To each their own.
I am very happy my girls went the GDI route, though.
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Post by monklady123 on Aug 18, 2015 12:32:27 GMT
To each their own. I am very happy my girls went the GDI route, though. I know I was when I was in school. In fact my school didn't even have Greek life of any kind. However, now that my dd is in a sorority (Tri Sigma) I see all the benefits it has brought her, contrary to my own stereotypes. And she's having fun.
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Post by bigbundt on Aug 18, 2015 12:39:39 GMT
ETA: I guess I'm the only one who objects to eighteen-year-old young women being recruited this way. But that is the thing, they ARE recruiting 18 year old girls. I don't really know a lot of girls that age who will be swayed by a video touting their GPA or philanthropy of the group but they would if they see how much fun the girls have and how close and friendly they are with one another. Some might but I would think they would be looking for that info even outside of a video like this. But all the fun and smiling and togetherness might grab their attention to want to investigate further. And I don't see anything weird about their clothes (they are what I see from that age group these days) or holding hands. I didn't rush when I was in college but those that did formed very close bonds with their sisters, especially with those in their rush class. It wasn't unusual to see them holding hands on campus or hugging/sitting on each others' laps all the time. They didn't do it to entice the male population either, it was just how they were. They were like that on the quad or in the dorm (when there were no males around).
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Aug 18, 2015 12:40:32 GMT
I guess what rubbed me the wrong way was that the entire thing was about stereotypically hot girls being hot girls. I'm sorry, but the piggyback rides, the water floatie fight, the wink-wink as two girls in bathing suits walk off together hand in hand, bending over butt in the air to hike the football back to the admiring football player ... it seemed to me to be designed as much to appeal to the fraternity boys as anyone else. Or to make girls think if they join this sorority they'll be more attractive to guys. Whenever the subject of Greek stereotypes is brought up, people are quick to bring up the academic standards and the community service and talk about how Greeks are not how they are often portrayed. Well, this seems to be a sorority that actively embraces the "we're all about how cute we are, partying, and attracting guys" stereotype. And it's off-putting to me. We are four years from college and I wouldn't want my daughters to join any organization that promotes looks and sexuality above all else in recruiting new members. ETA: I guess I'm the only one who objects to eighteen-year-old young women being recruited this way. Nope I am with you. Full Disclosure I was in a sorority in College, and I just went to youtube to see what my chapter had on line. The only video I found was somewhat similar in nature.. but the theme was Keep it Classy. Similar photos, some of girls in bikini's but it focused on the values of the sorority. It's here youtu.be/E3Hr9WC7IxQI think there is a world of difference from it and the one from Alabama. Maybe part of it is the quality of the video, the one from MSU looks like it was done by the sorority, the one from Alabama looks like it was much more professional. I would say my sorority has about as much diversity as it did in 1982... which is sad. I would have hoped we had evolved more in the last 30 years. I think that the Alabama video was made to focus on making the girls look hot. Not what I would think the National Sorority is wanting to promote, most sororities are about developing leaders, and the Alabama video is not all about any thing but looking hot and having fun!
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Post by Merge on Aug 18, 2015 12:47:34 GMT
ETA: I guess I'm the only one who objects to eighteen-year-old young women being recruited this way. But that is the thing, they ARE recruiting 18 year old girls. I don't really know a lot of girls that age who will be swayed by a video touting their GPA or philanthropy of the group but they would if they see how much fun the girls have and how close and friendly they are with one another. Some might but I would think they would be looking for that info even outside of a video like this. But all the fun and smiling and togetherness might grab their attention to want to investigate further. I think you're selling 18-year-old young women short. At least I hope you are.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 18, 2015 13:05:52 GMT
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 18, 2015 13:08:04 GMT
But that is the thing, they ARE recruiting 18 year old girls. I don't really know a lot of girls that age who will be swayed by a video touting their GPA or philanthropy of the group but they would if they see how much fun the girls have and how close and friendly they are with one another. Some might but I would think they would be looking for that info even outside of a video like this. But all the fun and smiling and togetherness might grab their attention to want to investigate further. I think you're selling 18-year-old young women short. At least I hope you are. They could have done both. It wouldn't have been hard to overlay some academic and philanthropic factoids over those same images.
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Post by bigbundt on Aug 18, 2015 13:08:25 GMT
I think you're selling 18-year-old young women short. At least I hope you are. Perhaps I am but 18 year old women aren't exactly known for having the emotional/life experience maturity to look at this from our viewpoints as older and wiser. That is my point. We might see some nefarious under current in this video when all they wanted to do was make a video showing how much fun they have. I am sure that there are plenty of 18 year olds who are interested in more and if they are, they are going to investigate the merits of sororities beyond just this video. But you know, if some 18-year olds just want to be involved in a group that seems like have a lot of fun and get along with one another, there isn't anything wrong with that either. Like I said, the behaviors shown in this video are what I have experienced as normal in that particular age group. WE may see it as something else with our world experience glasses on but to that age group, it isn't unusual especially in sororities. Everyone has different priorities when it comes to groups like this. And there is no requirement that you HAVE to rush and you HAVE to rush a certain sorority unless it is what you want to do. And the previous PEAer is right, sororities are known to have their own personalities on campus and they are very well known. Some sororities are known for being more shallow and appearance centric than others. It is what it is.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Aug 18, 2015 13:12:10 GMT
I am thinking more along the lines of Merge. The overt sexuality of it is a little bothersome to me. Without even a nod to philanthropy, academics, leadership or any of the other traits most sororities purport to promote, it comes across very unbalanced. The "girls gone wild" label isn't far off base for this one.
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Post by monklady123 on Aug 18, 2015 13:26:14 GMT
I am thinking more along the lines of Merge. The overt sexuality of it is a little bothersome to me. Without even a nod to philanthropy, academics, leadership or any of the other traits most sororities purport to promote, it comes across very unbalanced. The "girls gone wild" label isn't far off base for this one. But maybe "girls gone wild" is what that chapter of that particular sorority is like? I have no idea, so please no one be offended at that comment. But my dd says that every chapter is different... In fact her sorority has a "snobby" reputation at other schools, yet they're not at all like that at hers. Dd tells me that at other schools (she hears these things from her friends who are scattered all over Virginia at various state colleges, since we have so many good ones here) sororities don't mix with each other. At her school they do. -- Dd has a friend who transferred from a school in Kentucky to one in Maryland. She was in Tri Delta in Kentucky and loved it. At my dd's school Tri Delta is also made up of "nice girls" (dd's words). Dd's friend went on one visit to Tri Delta at the Maryland school and texted dd to say "NO WAY!" So that's just my long winded way of saying that the image in this video may be exactly what the sorority wants. To my eyes they look like the "beautiful people" -- the college version of the popular cheerleaders in high school. Personally that doesn't attract me at all (I was not one of those "beautiful people" and I definitely was not a cheerleader, lol) but I imagine that it is attractive to a certain type of girl. If that's what the sorority wants, then that's what they'll probably get by this video. And for the record, my dd just said "yeah Mom, that's probably just what that chapter is like at that school." lol
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Post by rainangel on Aug 18, 2015 13:41:02 GMT
My issue with this video is that it seems to be mostly focused on their looks and 'fun'. I am 100% sure these girls do a number of academic and volunteer work, but NONE of that is shown or highlighted in the video.
I am assuming people don't join sororities to stand in shorts and blow glitter into a lake? There is a lot more to it right? SHOW THAT THEN! So in that regard, they are severly lacking in diversity in this video.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Aug 18, 2015 13:41:46 GMT
I guess what rubbed me the wrong way was that the entire thing was about stereotypically hot girls being hot girls. I'm sorry, but the piggyback rides, the water floatie fight, the wink-wink as two girls in bathing suits walk off together hand in hand, bending over butt in the air to hike the football back to the admiring football player ... it seemed to me to be designed as much to appeal to the fraternity boys as anyone else. Or to make girls think if they join this sorority they'll be more attractive to guys. Whenever the subject of Greek stereotypes is brought up, people are quick to bring up the academic standards and the community service and talk about how Greeks are not how they are often portrayed. Well, this seems to be a sorority that actively embraces the "we're all about how cute we are, partying, and attracting guys" stereotype. And it's off-putting to me. We are four years from college and I wouldn't want my daughters to join any organization that promotes looks and sexuality above all else in recruiting new members. ETA: I guess I'm the only one who objects to eighteen-year-old young women being recruited this way. When I first saw the headline and watched the video, I was surprised it wasn't more controversial. I'm not sure why it was pulled. But I definitely rolled my eyes while watching it. I agree with you - it is not a sorority I would want my daughter to join either (not like she would have an option, she's not blond, lol).
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 18, 2015 13:43:12 GMT
I'll jump in here although you will have to bear with me as I haven't had my coffee yet this morning. I just watched the whole video (not just the bikini clips shown on the news), and I thought it was a well done video. The bits of the video that showed the young women in their bathing suits wasn't over the top at all. Most of the women were wearing shorts or coverups and the video showed young women having fun and goofing off just like most people their age. i also don't get the butt hurt about the lack of diversity. It is a sorority for shit's sake. Every sorority on every campus has their own personality. Apparently, the personality of this sorority is that of young, hot, mostly blonde cheerleader types. If that isn't your style, find another sorority to join. just my my thoughts this morning before the caffeine kicks in. I'm sure I will be back later. I agree with this^^^ sorority life is a choice. No one is forcing anyone to join.
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Post by tduby1 on Aug 18, 2015 13:44:13 GMT
I'm not getting the girls gone wild vibe either. I opened this video expecting to be outraged snd I am not.
My 15 year old daughter and her two bffs have
-set a camera up and took photos of them walking away from the camera all three holding hands -routinely take selfies of themselves blowing kisses at the camera or winking at the camera. Mostly with my phone, lol! -frolick, wrestle, etc in the water and I'm always there to take pics at their behest. -Take pics hugging all the time - never pass up a game of football with the boys.
I'm a really conservative mom. My first reaction when she came home w a bikini a few weeks ago was to say oh heck no! We ended up letting her keep after a lot of discussion as a family.
None of these three girls are boy crazy and I don't get the impression they do any of the above to attract boys. Even the bikini is worn at home, in our fairly boy free pool. They do it because they are having fun, it makes them happy. None have or have had boyfriends or seem to be looking.
I would hate to think someone would see their photos and judge them as "girls gone wild" flaunting their sexuality to attract boys for the wrong reason.
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Post by janeliz on Aug 18, 2015 13:45:45 GMT
I thought the video was absolutely bizarre. It looked like an SNL skit doing a parody of a sorority. The fact that it's not a parody blows my mind.
I have a young cousin taking part in sorority recruitment right now, and spend time with a lot of young women who are heading off to college soon. Honestly, I don't think a single one of them would look at this video and not have a similar reaction to mine.
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Post by utmr on Aug 18, 2015 13:59:35 GMT
Full disclosure - I was an Alpha Phi, although not at Alabama.
As a mom and an alum, I'm not thrilled with the overtly sexy image the video gives. I'd like to see some books, and philanthropy (and maybe a little bit more clothing too). But I'm not outraged or pea-livid. It's pretty girls having fun.
As to the lack of diversity, that's a problem across the Panhellenic system, and the big southern schools as well. I don't know the solution to that.
Back in the day, Alpha Phi certainly wouldn't have been called out as "too pretty" or "too sexy". We were what might have been called the "studious " group. So part of me is amused that the pretty girls are Phis.
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