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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 19, 2015 23:49:13 GMT
That's a race that I would like to see!
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 19, 2015 23:52:59 GMT
I think this poll speaks to how deeply people feel HRC is untrustworthy, not necessarily how likable DT is. ETA: The email server thing is really taking a toll on Hillary, IMO. I just can't find any comfort in this. I would rather put red hot pokers in my eyes than vote for Mrs. Clinton. Trust me...but Trump? Shoot me now. He's just stealing time and money from a potential legitimate candidate. His behavior is pushing people "to the other side" in droves from my view point (which could be completely wrong, just saying). What I wouldn't give for a British style election season right now. Thank you. I had a rotten day, and this made me crack up. The red hot pokers reference did it.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 19, 2015 23:53:31 GMT
Agreed. I'm admittedly on the fence re: Hillary, though I tend to like her. The thing is, I want a Democratic president, and I don't see Sanders (the one I really like) being able to win the General, even if he can secure the nomination. There just don't seem to be a lot of candidates on the Dem side. I am really, really saddened at the thought of a Trump presidency. There aren't really any desirable, I actually WANT to vote for THEM candidates on either side. I swear this is the worst set ever. I've gone from voting 'for' a candidate I actually wanted, to voting for the lesser of two evils, to dang who do I think will do the least damage in 4 years from this list of con artists, criminals and bullys. It's very depressing. I agree It seems like some years it's exactly that, voting for someone that will do the least damage while already waiting for the next election and hoping for something better
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Aug 20, 2015 0:01:18 GMT
Sometimes I find myself bewildered by the world. Donald Trump and his popularity is one of those things that makes me realize that I simply don't understand (and maybe don't want to understand) the inner landscapes of my fellow citizens. It's because he isn't a career politician and even though the way he says things is not the most polite way, he is saying things that need to be said. Things that many have been feed up with for a long long time.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 20, 2015 0:45:14 GMT
Sometimes I find myself bewildered by the world. Donald Trump and his popularity is one of those things that makes me realize that I simply don't understand (and maybe don't want to understand) the inner landscapes of my fellow citizens. It's because he isn't a career politician and even though the way he says things is not the most polite way, he is saying things that need to be said. Things that many have been feed up with for a long long time. But this is precisely why I feel so bewildered. I have listened pretty closely to what he is saying and I honestly don't interpret what I am hearing the same way that others are. To me, he isn't just not polite, he is mean spirited and misogynistic and vaguely racist. It is one thing to claim to be a political outsider and another to denigrate almost everyone who thinks differently than he does-which is what I hear when I hear him talk.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 0:52:08 GMT
Turns out HRC's server was "secured" in a bathroom closet in a loft of a start up company in Denver. At her presser yesterday she talked about wiping her server clean with a cloth. Not everyone is a tech genius but every time she opens her mouth she shows how out of touch she is with the world. I think younger Americans see her as just another rich, white old lady and they are not impressed. She knew exactly what Ed Henry was talking about and it was nothing but a delusional attempt to avoid answering to hiding evidence. She's a sleazy, slimeball who as GaJenny said, thinks she has enough support and the rest of the country can go jump in the lake. At this point her sleaziness is right on par with the Donald's clown act.
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Post by jayfab on Aug 20, 2015 1:06:54 GMT
It's because he isn't a career politician and even though the way he says things is not the most polite way, he is saying things that need to be said. Things that many have been feed up with for a long long time. But this is precisely why I feel so bewildered. I have listened pretty closely to what he is saying and I honestly don't interpret what I am hearing the same way that others are. To me, he isn't just not polite, he is mean spirited and misogynistic and vaguely racist. It is one thing to claim to be a political outsider and another to denigrate almost everyone who thinks differently than he does-which is what I hear when I hear him talk. Exactly! Is this how we want to treat each other? Is what we want to teach our children? Calling others stupid, fat & ugly is ok?
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 20, 2015 1:07:57 GMT
Turns out HRC's server was "secured" in a bathroom closet in a loft of a start up company in Denver. At her presser yesterday she talked about wiping her server clean with a cloth. Not everyone is a tech genius but every time she opens her mouth she shows how out of touch she is with the world. I think younger Americans see her as just another rich, white old lady and they are not impressed. She knew exactly what Ed Henry was talking about and it was nothing but a delusional attempt to avoid answering to hiding evidence. She's a sleazy, slimeball who as GaJenny said, thinks she has enough support and the rest of the country can go jump in the lake. At this point her sleaziness is right on par with the Donald's clown act. I disagree. Trump is in a sleazy category all his own.. Just one tacky example: what about his comment about Heidi Klum?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 1:23:55 GMT
She knew exactly what Ed Henry was talking about and it was nothing but a delusional attempt to avoid answering to hiding evidence. She's a sleazy, slimeball who as GaJenny said, thinks she has enough support and the rest of the country can go jump in the lake. At this point her sleaziness is right on par with the Donald's clown act. I disagree. Trump is in a sleazy category all his own.. Just one tacky example: what about his comment about Heidi Klum?Right on par with Hillary pretending not to know what it means to destroy evidence and joking about getting an account that will do it for her.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 20, 2015 1:30:39 GMT
Is it NO MATTER WHAT !! Or is it when you look at what the right has to offer Hillary looks pretty darn good. Warts and all. From what I read today the GOP is hell bent on shooting itself in the foot with their position on immigration led by The Donald. Did you know the 14th amendment is unconstitutional according to The Donald. But I'm trying to figure out how The Donald is 1. Going to make Mexico pay for this border fence of his and 2. How does he plan on rounding up 11M undocumented folks and shipping them south? What makes it really interesting is how many of the gaggle of 17 agree with him in some form or another on his grand plan. But what the GOP doesn't seem to understand is how many Hispanic voters there are. Personally I wouldn't want to piss them off well least until after the election. And then there is Trump's secret plan to defeat ISIL but he doesn't want to share it because someone might steal it. And then you have Jeb who feels we need to fight Iraq all over again. But let's don't forget Walker who feels because he "handled" the Teacher Union he can certainly "handle" ISIL. Is it me or did Walker call teachers terrorists. Like I said compared to the gaggle of 17 Hillary looks pretty good warts and all. I'm a Hispanic voter as is my family, my DIL and her family are Hispanic voters and my dh is a Latino voter. We are all against illegal immigration. Lumping all Hispanic voters together is like saying all blacks voted for president Obama. I think the Democrats perceive the Hispanic/Latino voters as monolithic in their views. I think that is far more insulting that anything Trump has said. p.s. Ed Henry rocks!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 2:04:18 GMT
To add to the craziness of the gaggle of 17. We now have Ben Carson's solution to the border control. Patrolling the border with armed drones. I know on this board there are some who don't like the fact President Obama uses armed drones to take out terrorist leaders in the Middle East because of the collateral damage. These folks must be thrilled to find out that very collateral damage could happen at a border near you right here in the US.
Just listened to Trump explain that the voters really didn't want him to give his positions on the issues that the voters just want to listen to him talk and like it when he says he will fix it whatever it is. It's that pesky press that keeps asking him for specifics.
Also Trump made a valid statement that those of the gaggle of 17 that attack Hom drop in the polls. Now isn't that interesting.
When I listen to Trump I wonder if I were to walk up and poke him with a pin if I would let out all that hot air and he would just deflate.
Sorry to interrupte your sleazy remarks about Hillary but I just had to share. The gaggle of 17 is a group that just keeps on giving.
My suggestion that conservatives should pay attention to the gaggle of 17 and what they are doing. They are a highly entertaining group in a scarey sort of way.
In the end the Democrats will decide if Hillary will be our candidate for President. And that will include the ones choosing Trump over Hillary at this point. I suspect they will see the light of day and wonder what kool aid they were drinking when they even considered Trump as a viable candidate.
Whatever happens to Hillary because of her emails she brought it on herself. If she should become our candidate I will vote for her because all you have to do is look at the gaggle of 17 of which one will be the GOP candidate and that is just plain scarey.
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Post by georgiapea on Aug 20, 2015 2:22:25 GMT
When I lived in Roswell, the Spanish people there were VERY against the illegal Mexicans who came over the border.
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Post by crittsmom on Aug 20, 2015 4:12:01 GMT
All I can say it seems like its going to be forever.until.this.election.is.over.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 4:46:15 GMT
It's because he isn't a career politician and even though the way he says things is not the most polite way, he is saying things that need to be said. Things that many have been feed up with for a long long time. But this is precisely why I feel so bewildered. I have listened pretty closely to what he is saying and I honestly don't interpret what I am hearing the same way that others are. To me, he isn't just not polite, he is mean spirited and misogynistic and vaguely racist. It is one thing to claim to be a political outsider and another to denigrate almost everyone who thinks differently than he does-which is what I hear when I hear him talk. The way he delivers his message is harsh and crude, no doubt about it. But at the core is a message that resonates with those who are sick and tired of the establishment's practices of using political correctness to corral us like sheep and pit one side against the other. He's taken the invisibility cloak off of the 'elephant in the room' and people are now TALKING about root issues that have steadily been bringing this country to its knees. As a country with any hope of getting our shit together, we need to have the *ugly* talk, like it or not. Trump is putting it on the table like no one else has ever even attempted to and I think it's a good thing. L
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Post by katieanna on Aug 20, 2015 4:47:34 GMT
Agreed. I'm admittedly on the fence re: Hillary, though I tend to like her. The thing is, I want a Democratic president, and I don't see Sanders (the one I really like) being able to win the General, even if he can secure the nomination. There just don't seem to be a lot of candidates on the Dem side. I am really, really saddened at the thought of a Trump presidency. I want a Republican president, and am also really, really saddened at the thought of a Trump presidency I want a Repub president, too, and still can't believe that Trump will win. We have a ways to go before the election. Take heart!
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Post by katieanna on Aug 20, 2015 4:59:44 GMT
Turns out HRC's server was "secured" in a bathroom closet in a loft of a start up company in Denver. At her presser yesterday she talked about wiping her server clean with a cloth. Not everyone is a tech genius but every time she opens her mouth she shows how out of touch she is with the world. I think younger Americans see her as just another rich, white old lady and they are not impressed. She knew exactly what Ed Henry was talking about and it was nothing but a delusional attempt to avoid answering to hiding evidence. She's a sleazy, slimeball who as GaJenny said, thinks she has enough support and the rest of the country can go jump in the lake. At this point her sleaziness is right on par with the Donald's clown act. Exactly! I don't trust Hillary...never have, never will.
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Post by katieanna on Aug 20, 2015 5:11:24 GMT
The way he delivers his message is harsh and crude, no doubt about it. But at the core is a message that resonates with those who are sick and tired of the establishment's practices of using political correctness to corral us like sheep and pit one side against the other. He's taken the invisibility cloak off of the 'elephant in the room' and people are now TALKING about root issues that have steadily been bringing this county to its knees. As a country with any hope of getting our shit together, we need to have the *ugly* talk, like it or not. Trump is putting it on the table like no one else has ever even attempted to and I think it's a good thing. L While I agree that those issues need to be addressed I can't believe that people think that the Donald's way is the way to do it. This may sound crazy but I get the feeling that he isn't running to win, but rather, he's running to stir the pot and he can afford to do so. WHY he is stirring the pot and the way he is doing it is what has me baffled.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 5:32:00 GMT
The way he delivers his message is harsh and crude, no doubt about it. But at the core is a message that resonates with those who are sick and tired of the establishment's practices of using political correctness to corral us like sheep and pit one side against the other. He's taken the invisibility cloak off of the 'elephant in the room' and people are now TALKING about root issues that have steadily been bringing this county to its knees. As a country with any hope of getting our shit together, we need to have the *ugly* talk, like it or not. Trump is putting it on the table like no one else has ever even attempted to and I think it's a good thing. L While I agree that those issues need to be addressed I can't believe that people think that the Donald's way is the way to do it. This may sound crazy but I get the feeling that he isn't running to win, but rather, he's running to stir the pot and he can afford to do so. WHY he is stirring the pot and the way he is doing it is what has me baffled. What other way is there to do it? Wheels have been spinning and going backwards for decades doing it the 'politically correct' way with bought and paid for politicians. Trump is shining a bright light on that and it needed to be done. I've no illusions that he will ever become president, but I'm good with the conversations he's evoked. L
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 6:14:37 GMT
And then there is Trump's secret plan to defeat ISIL but he doesn't want to share it because someone might steal it. That isn't his position at all. He said he doesn't want to telegraph it to ISIL. Which of course, would be a really stupid thing to do. There's enough to comment on him about, without needing to make shit up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2015 6:22:01 GMT
And then there is Trump's secret plan to defeat ISIL but he doesn't want to share it because someone might steal it. That isn't his position at all. He said he doesn't want to telegraph it to ISIL. Which of course, would be a really stupid thing to do. There's enough to comment on him about, without needing to make shit up. Unlike Obama, there are people who know that you shouldn't share the details of your plan of attack ON the enemy WITH the enemy. L
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Post by M~ on Aug 20, 2015 9:23:20 GMT
When I lived in Roswell, the Spanish people there were VERY against the illegal Mexicans who came over the border. I bet you the Spanish people weren't Spanish people at all.
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Post by mollycoddle on Aug 20, 2015 9:30:13 GMT
I disagree. Trump is in a sleazy category all his own.. Just one tacky example: what about his comment about Heidi Klum?Right on par with Hillary pretending not to know what it means to destroy evidence and joking about getting an account that will do it for her. They are nothing alike. One is sexist, and one is a bad joke.
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Aug 20, 2015 11:30:22 GMT
The way he delivers his message is harsh and crude, no doubt about it. But at the core is a message that resonates with those who are sick and tired of the establishment's practices of using political correctness to corral us like sheep and pit one side against the other. He's taken the invisibility cloak off of the 'elephant in the room' and people are now TALKING about root issues that have steadily been bringing this country to its knees. As a country with any hope of getting our shit together, we need to have the *ugly* talk, like it or not. Trump is putting it on the table like no one else has ever even attempted to and I think it's a good thing. L That was my point. We might not like HOW he is saying things but it is the fact that he IS saying it. While I agree that those issues need to be addressed I can't believe that people think that the Donald's way is the way to do it. This may sound crazy but I get the feeling that he isn't running to win, but rather, he's running to stir the pot and he can afford to do so. WHY he is stirring the pot and the way he is doing it is what has me baffled. This has been a thought I've had before. That he is just trying to get the conversations going. gmcwife1 said exactly what I was thinking, why would someone who came to this country LEGALLY agree with those coming here ILLEGALLY? I'm not lumping them all together because there very well could be some legal immigrants that have no issue with it. But my guess those are very few and far between.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 20, 2015 11:56:28 GMT
(sorry...I had to condense the article title)
A new poll out Wednesday found that real-estate mogul Donald Trump is only 6 points behind former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in a theoretical general-election matchup.
According to the CNN/ORC survey, the Democratic front-runner leads Trump just 51% to 45% among registered voters.
If the poll is accurate, it represents a sharp improvement for Trump. Though Trump has surged to the front of the GOP field, polls have previously found him lagging in general-election matchups.
A CNN/ORC survey in June, for example, found that Clinton would crush Trump 59% to 34% — by 25 points — in the hypothetical matchup. And while his 16-point deficit in July was a notable improvement, it still would represent a wide margin of defeat.
1) I still do not like Trump. I still think he's a complete asshole and don't think he's even close to being qualified to be President.
2) But for as much of a joke the Democrats want to make of him running, and what a clown he is (and frankly, I don't disagree) he's not doing too badly against HRC.
I'm still not so sure HRC will be on the ticket for the General Election.
complete story finance.yahoo.com/news/stunning-poll-shows-donald-trump-153123125.html
Honestly, that people are willing to vote for him is the biggest joke there is. But I'm not laughing.
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Post by katieanna on Aug 20, 2015 12:10:04 GMT
As I'm reading the replies the thought just occurred to me: Maybe when the Donald has reached the pinnacle of his popularity and the other candidates begin addressing those issues, too (to gain votes), the Donald will simply drop out of the race, mission accomplished. Maybe that's a crazy thought, I don't know. Seriously, what if he would win the nomination??? I still can't wrap my brain around that one.
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Post by anxiousmom on Aug 20, 2015 12:15:27 GMT
But this is precisely why I feel so bewildered. I have listened pretty closely to what he is saying and I honestly don't interpret what I am hearing the same way that others are. To me, he isn't just not polite, he is mean spirited and misogynistic and vaguely racist. It is one thing to claim to be a political outsider and another to denigrate almost everyone who thinks differently than he does-which is what I hear when I hear him talk. The way he delivers his message is harsh and crude, no doubt about it. But at the core is a message that resonates with those who are sick and tired of the establishment's practices of using political correctness to corral us like sheep and pit one side against the other. He's taken the invisibility cloak off of the 'elephant in the room' and people are now TALKING about root issues that have steadily been bringing this country to its knees. As a country with any hope of getting our shit together, we need to have the *ugly* talk, like it or not. Trump is putting it on the table like no one else has ever even attempted to and I think it's a good thing. L Furthering conversation is good. But some of that conversation isn't just ugly, it is simply not possible. He can't just ignore the facts and make stuff up. For me, and I guess this is the crux of the issue, he may be talking about that 'elephant in the room' but while he is talking, he is throwing out a whole lot comments that are steps beyond politically correct and from my point of view, just as divisive as what we have now. I watched the town hall meeting last night, and later an interview on CNN. I am not the smartest person around, but it seems to me that a lot of what he said isn't even possible when it comes to the execution.
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Post by Rainbow on Aug 20, 2015 12:45:59 GMT
Sometimes I find myself bewildered by the world. Donald Trump and his popularity is one of those things that makes me realize that I simply don't understand (and maybe don't want to understand) the inner landscapes of my fellow citizens. It's because he isn't a career politician and even though the way he says things is not the most polite way, he is saying things that need to be said. Things that many have been feed up with for a long long time. He isn't afraid to take a stand against the status quo.
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Post by Rainbow on Aug 20, 2015 12:47:46 GMT
But this is precisely why I feel so bewildered. I have listened pretty closely to what he is saying and I honestly don't interpret what I am hearing the same way that others are. To me, he isn't just not polite, he is mean spirited and misogynistic and vaguely racist. It is one thing to claim to be a political outsider and another to denigrate almost everyone who thinks differently than he does-which is what I hear when I hear him talk. The way he delivers his message is harsh and crude, no doubt about it. But at the core is a message that resonates with those who are sick and tired of the establishment's practices of using political correctness to corral us like sheep and pit one side against the other. He's taken the invisibility cloak off of the 'elephant in the room' and people are now TALKING about root issues that have steadily been bringing this country to its knees. As a country with any hope of getting our shit together, we need to have the *ugly* talk, like it or not. Trump is putting it on the table like no one else has ever even attempted to and I think it's a good thing. L Me too.
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Aug 20, 2015 12:49:08 GMT
Watching one of the news shows yesterday and one comment was made about Trump. And that is he is a business man that is used to negotiations. That means he knows he can bring 100 things to the table and come away with X amount of them. So some of the ideas he is throwing out there may not be possible but it's just a starting point.
Again, I can't say I agree with how he says things all the time but I do agree with the messages he is giving.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 20, 2015 13:49:46 GMT
It's because he isn't a career politician and even though the way he says things is not the most polite way, he is saying things that need to be said. Things that many have been feed up with for a long long time. He isn't afraid to take a stand against the status quo.You've just described Crazy Walt, the guy who lived across the road from us growing up.
Not much of a selling point, honestly.
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