JustTricia
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Post by JustTricia on Aug 26, 2015 2:16:19 GMT
Not that I feel the need to defend myself, but I don't find what I posted about Munchausen to be name calling, but concern. She has posted multiple threads about falling, all the threads about her wrist injury, posts about her mental illness, several more about needing help coming to grips with her mom's illnesses (some that were very mean from her side), not being able to sleep so she can't function, etc, not to mention the posts where she just drops her illness into a response. In all the threads it has been suggested she seek help. All these threads have been over the last couple of months. That's an awful lot. How in the world do you remember all this? I read the board daily. All these things have happened in the last couple of months and she repeats them. My mom just had surgery on her arm so her posts about her arm stick out to me. My BIL has been going through cancer treatments so her posts about her mom stick out to me.
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Post by foolana on Aug 26, 2015 2:28:33 GMT
Not that I need to defend myself at all, but Elannah wants the right to post anything she wants here but gets upset when we respond accordingly. Her claims of mental illness are just that, claims. This is an anonymous message board and she could be a 75 year old man from Australia; how do I know the difference? If you don't want responses to your posts, good or bad, don't post them. I get reamed here all the time by the usual suspects; since I'm disabled should I insist that people give me a pass too?
The answer to that is a resounding NO. If I put it out there, I have to be prepared to take it.
But what do you gain by making comments like " Why is it ok to inflict your crap on us all the time?" Does it make you feel better? Especially since you can ignore her? And that should be fairly simple because it's not like you are around her IRL. i have no bone to pick with you but I don't know but when I read comments like "If I put it out there I have to be prepared to take it" makes me think that this is the negative side of an anonymous message board. It would appear one is defensive before they even post their comments. I know you have your "usual suspects" but attacking them is not the answer IMO. It puts you on their childish level. Be better then them and either ignore them or find a way to tell them to go to hell. Nicely of course. Then you win. I have no bone to pick with you either, of course. I'm just trying to explain myself. I do ignore the people who mistreat me here, with an occasional slip up every now and then. If I find someone here to be lying, exaggerating and posting nonsense to get attention who also bothers a lot of other people here besides me why is it incumbent upon me to ignore her? I've seen you and many others have difficult conversations and sometimes insulting fights. Why shouldn't I be given the same right to respond as every other member here?
Elannah needs to take responsibility for her words and actions here. As I've said earlier, if you put it out there, you'd better be prepared to take it. If she's so delicate and ill, what the heck is she doing here?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 2:46:02 GMT
First, I think ALL people are entitled to quality health care. Second some quotes that have nothing to do with the OP's topic. "You need to learn not to post every one of your thoughts." scrappinmama"I usually don't interact with you because I find you to be a clueless moron most days." @dknitter "Seriously? Are you high or something? Delusional?" mom"Just because you think something doesn't mean you need to share it here on 2P," cindyupnorth"Ellanah is a grown adult and she should know that she really shouldn't have Internet access at all" @yubon Peatlejuice "Personally I'v wondered for a while if the OP has Munchauser Syndrome and if it the message board isn't making it worse." @justtrica "Why is it OKay to inflict your crap on us all the time?" foolana"Her mental illness claims are bullshit. She uses it as an excuse every time on of her threads go south." @yubon Peatlejuice And folks don't like to participate on political threads because of the name calling.... When I read threads like this I liken them to the saying "once blood is in the water sharks attack". And not very flattering for the posters. I don't pay much attention to Ellanah nor do I know if she has mental problems because it's none of my business to be honest. What I can't understand is why this thread is 5 pages with very little discussion about her musings. If you don't like reading Ellanah's posts then why are you reading this thread ? Do you know that if no one had posted on the thread it would have disappeared by now. Or do some of you just like to pile on as ~Lauren~ says because you can? And as to the comments of what she shouldn't post that really caught my attention. Sometimes I scroll down the board and look at the titles and I have to shake my head thinking why. But that stays with me and I ignore the thread. Easy peasy. And the only reason I'm posting is because of the quotes above and felt something should be said. To me it's a form of bullying. 3. What this all means is I agree with ~Lauren~ and I find that rather odd. And I will add to the craziness and say that I agree with everything you said here, Krazy. Mark this day on your calendar - we found common ground. I read the thread when it was just on page one, and I could see the Sharks circling. It's really amazing how blind so many are to their own hypocrisy around here, with the mental illness accusations and snotty ass faux outrage from the same people who sit on their anti-bullying, pro-women pedestals. Same shit, different board.
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Post by pjaye on Aug 26, 2015 2:48:30 GMT
I think that everyone arguing that Elannah is in a "manic phase" are just projecting what they want to be true so they can continue in their own little bubble and they won't have to speak up. By my calculations this manic "phase" has bow been going for at least 4 years. This obsessive, incoherent, posting style is not new in the last few weeks. She always posts like this. It's her norm not a phase at all. She was exactly like this on the old board and it's been like this from day one here. She was banned a couple of times from 2 peas (as Dawn and as Dawndoll and probably a few others I don't know about) This board has only been around for one year and she has over 5500 posts, that's about 15 posts per day, every single day. It's consistent, and I don't know how anyone can legitimately claim that this last post is suddenly part of some new manic "phase", bullshit. This is her all the time.
So when she posts ridiculous things that I find offensive, I am not going to ignore it, even if there is a bigger picture of some sort of mental illness underlying it. You don't get a free pass to do whatever you want and say whatever you want with no repercussions. If you're going to believe everything she posts, then she lives with her father, has a son, and is still holding down a job, so obviously she's still functioning normally enough and if she's suddenly this bad, surely those people would notice first and take action...not random people on a message board, projecting that a bitchy thread is suddenly a sign of some florid manic state.
It's like the mentally ill homeless person, if he's yelling and muttering to himself, then there is no need to do anything, I'll go on my way and let him be, but is he's beating a dog, damn right I'm going to step in and stop it.
This isn't some celebrity family who are always in the news begging for our attention, this is a just a normal family with a sick little girl and Elannah made it clear that she thinks she shouldn't be treated because it would cost too much to do this for a child who has Down Syndrome. She doesn't say anywhere that no 10 month old should be treated with chemo, so the obvious inference is that Down Syndrome is the deciding factor. If she's going to post that opinion, then I'm going to post my reaction to that.
She can post in whatever 'style' she wants and everyone else is free to do the same. But why does she get to play by a different set of rules? Didn't you just call me rude and argumentative in another thread? So I don't have the same right to post in my 'style'? Why aren't you defending MY right to post whatever I want...oh yeah that's right, it's only rude and argumentative when it's directed at YOU, when it's not, then of course everyone can post how they want, but when they challenge you, they need to shut the hell up...is that how it works?
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Post by moveablefeast on Aug 26, 2015 3:09:33 GMT
Why are so many of you beating up on a person we already know is dealing with mental health issues? She is entitled to post her opinions and you are entitled to ignore her or put her on ignore. Please stop it. I'm certain she has enough people judging her in real life. In three words...because they can. Only here do you find people berating a person with known mental illness. While I understand their frustration with Elannah's posts, mental illness has never stopped the peas from piling on. I'm sure "because they can" is part of it. I think, however, that the other part of it is really an invisible tragedy of mental illness. I've experienced this intimately in my own family and I can know intellectually all day long that certain words, patterns of behavior, thought processes, and issues with filtering words and thoughts are related to a person's mental illness, but that doesn't mean those things don't hurt other people or damage relationships. I think what Elannah had to say in the original post struck a nerve with a lot of people for a lot of reasons. Some of them personal and some of them philosophical. But she surely got a lot of people upset, and it's hard to say they were wrong to be offended. So you had a lot of people who responded with anger, not because they wanted to dogpile on a person with mental illness but because what Elannah was saying was actually offensive, and it doesn't just suddenly become inoffensive because she struggles with mental health issues. I am guessing it will mean she has lost one of her safe spaces for interaction with other people. I am also guessing it is not the only one. It doesn't mean that people lack compassion. Just that even if you know why a person says or does something that is offensive, and even if that why is actually to whatever extent outside the person's control, the flip side of that is that it doesn't change how it makes other people feel. It's sad that mental illness affects a person's relationships in that way. This was kind of a prime example of that. There are just some times that a person says something that you will have a very hard time forgetting, and it really colors your impression of that person, regardless of all the prior and subsequent circumstances. It was pretty unfortunate that Elannah's moment occurred when dozens of people were around to "hear" it and respond. If that makes sense.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 3:34:00 GMT
First, I think ALL people are entitled to quality health care. Second some quotes that have nothing to do with the OP's topic. "You need to learn not to post every one of your thoughts." scrappinmama"I usually don't interact with you because I find you to be a clueless moron most days." @dknitter "Seriously? Are you high or something? Delusional?" mom"Just because you think something doesn't mean you need to share it here on 2P," cindyupnorth"Ellanah is a grown adult and she should know that she really shouldn't have Internet access at all" @yubon Peatlejuice "Personally I'v wondered for a while if the OP has Munchauser Syndrome and if it the message board isn't making it worse." @justtrica "Why is it OKay to inflict your crap on us all the time?" foolana"Her mental illness claims are bullshit. She uses it as an excuse every time on of her threads go south." @yubon Peatlejuice And folks don't like to participate on political threads because of the name calling.... When I read threads like this I liken them to the saying "once blood is in the water sharks attack". And not very flattering for the posters. I don't pay much attention to Ellanah nor do I know if she has mental problems because it's none of my business to be honest. What I can't understand is why this thread is 5 pages with very little discussion about her musings. If you don't like reading Ellanah's posts then why are you reading this thread ? Do you know that if no one had posted on the thread it would have disappeared by now. Or do some of you just like to pile on as ~Lauren~ says because you can? And as to the comments of what she shouldn't post that really caught my attention. Sometimes I scroll down the board and look at the titles and I have to shake my head thinking why. But that stays with me and I ignore the thread. Easy peasy. And the only reason I'm posting is because of the quotes above and felt something should be said. To me it's a form of bullying. 3. What this all means is I agree with ~Lauren~ and I find that rather odd. Not that I feel the need to defend myself, but I don't find what I posted about Munchausen to be name calling, but concern. She has posted multiple threads about falling, all the threads about her wrist injury, posts about her mental illness, several more about needing help coming to grips with her mom's illnesses (some that were very mean from her side), not being able to sleep so she can't function, etc, not to mention the posts where she just drops her illness into a response. In all the threads it has been suggested she seek help. All these threads have been over the last couple of months. That's an awful lot. With all due respect are you her doctor or shrink? If not you have no idea what is wrong with her but yet you put a name to what you think is wrong with her. Donuts to dollars someone who reads your post is going to say, down the road ,instead of I think she has whatever to she has it. A big difference. And misleading.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 3:35:11 GMT
artbabeThank you so much for your post. My brother was mentally ill, but had something totally different, so I learned a lot from your post. Knowing how much my brother suffered, as well as how much he was misunderstood, my heart goes out to Elannah. Hang in there!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 3:41:00 GMT
But what do you gain by making comments like " Why is it ok to inflict your crap on us all the time?" Does it make you feel better? Especially since you can ignore her? And that should be fairly simple because it's not like you are around her IRL. i have no bone to pick with you but I don't know but when I read comments like "If I put it out there I have to be prepared to take it" makes me think that this is the negative side of an anonymous message board. It would appear one is defensive before they even post their comments. I know you have your "usual suspects" but attacking them is not the answer IMO. It puts you on their childish level. Be better then them and either ignore them or find a way to tell them to go to hell. Nicely of course. Then you win. I have no bone to pick with you either, of course. I'm just trying to explain myself. I do ignore the people who mistreat me here, with an occasional slip up every now and then. If I find someone here to be lying, exaggerating and posting nonsense to get attention who also bothers a lot of other people here besides me why is it incumbent upon me to ignore her? I've seen you and many others have difficult conversations and sometimes insulting fights. Why shouldn't I be given the same right to respond as every other member here?
Elannah needs to take responsibility for her words and actions here. As I've said earlier, if you put it out there, you'd better be prepared to take it. If she's so delicate and ill, what the heck is she doing here?
You are right I do get in shall we say spirited conversations with the folks on the right. However I don't call them names, bring in mental illness, or tell them what I think they can and cannot post on this board. But look at the quotes I originally posted and all three are there in varying degrees. Anyway we will have to disagree here I guess.
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Post by CarolT on Aug 26, 2015 3:57:15 GMT
I'm going to go back to the original post here... If you want to ponder the medical ethics of this particular case, you can google "medical ethics", and you will find a huge body of work out there to read. The interesting thing is that medical ethics isn't about what does or doesn't seem "right" to you or me, it's really driven by four guiding principles - autonomy, justice, beneficence, and non-maleficence. This website Stanford Medical Ethics 101 gives a pretty straight forward description of each principle (it uses specific examples related to infertility treatments, but the principles are the same). In the case you are talking about, the only principle that could be brought into question is autonomy, however when you're talking about pediatric cases, that is something that is typically transferred to the parent/guardian. This is an area that can cause some debate in other sorts of cases, but it's not really an issue here. With regard to justice - she has access to the same care that other patients do. There is no evidence that her treatment is preventing anyone else from receiving treatment. In some cases, justice can be difficult to navigate - particularly when you have hard limits to resources (for example, organ transplants), but that's not an issue here. With regard to beneficence - it appears that the treatment she is receiving is appropriate for her condition and is being carried out to benefit the patient. While the treatment is unpleasant, it appears to fit the standard of care for her condition and should benefit her in the long run. With regard to non-maleficence - Again, the treatment is unpleasant, and there certainly are risks and side-effects, however the treatment is appropriate for the child's condition and if all goes well, she will be cured. To withhold treatment would most certainly cause harm to the patient. So, if you really want to dissect the ethics of the situation, there you go.
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Post by penny on Aug 26, 2015 5:31:35 GMT
I'm going to go back to the original post here... If you want to ponder the medical ethics of this particular case, you can google "medical ethics", and you will find a huge body of work out there to read. The interesting thing is that medical ethics isn't about what does or doesn't seem "right" to you or me, it's really driven by four guiding principles - autonomy, justice, beneficence, and non-maleficence. This website Stanford Medical Ethics 101 gives a pretty straight forward description of each principle (it uses specific examples related to infertility treatments, but the principles are the same). In the case you are talking about, the only principle that could be brought into question is autonomy, however when you're talking about pediatric cases, that is something that is typically transferred to the parent/guardian. This is an area that can cause some debate in other sorts of cases, but it's not really an issue here. With regard to justice - she has access to the same care that other patients do. There is no evidence that her treatment is preventing anyone else from receiving treatment. In some cases, justice can be difficult to navigate - particularly when you have hard limits to resources (for example, organ transplants), but that's not an issue here. With regard to beneficence - it appears that the treatment she is receiving is appropriate for her condition and is being carried out to benefit the patient. While the treatment is unpleasant, it appears to fit the standard of care for her condition and should benefit her in the long run. With regard to non-maleficence - Again, the treatment is unpleasant, and there certainly are risks and side-effects, however the treatment is appropriate for the child's condition and if all goes well, she will be cured. To withhold treatment would most certainly cause harm to the patient. So, if you really want to dissect the ethics of the situation, there you go. This is what I love about this place... People sharing their knowledge and the opportunity to learn and debate... CarolT it sucks that the chance to learn from you got derailed... It's an interesting topic that hopefully we can come back to sometime...
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Post by foolana on Aug 26, 2015 5:48:31 GMT
Didn't Elannah post something a while ago about wanting to keep her sick mother alive on machines no matter what anyone else wanted? That's very different from her OP here. She thinks not treating a baby with DS who has cancer is the right thing to do but when it comes to someone she cares about they need to be kept alive artificially because she can't deal with that person's death.
How very odd. That's an enormous and self-serving double standard.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Aug 26, 2015 6:01:37 GMT
I'm not sure why we are expected to believe that she is bi polar because she says she is. There are many things she says she is that is and has been conflicting. She even said in this thread that she works in medical payments when we all "know" from her other posts that she works in retail. This x 1000.
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Post by theshyone on Aug 26, 2015 6:04:28 GMT
I'm going to go back to the original post here... If you want to ponder the medical ethics of this particular case, you can google "medical ethics", and you will find a huge body of work out there to read. The interesting thing is that medical ethics isn't about what does or doesn't seem "right" to you or me, it's really driven by four guiding principles - autonomy, justice, beneficence, and non-maleficence. This website Stanford Medical Ethics 101 gives a pretty straight forward description of each principle (it uses specific examples related to infertility treatments, but the principles are the same). In the case you are talking about, the only principle that could be brought into question is autonomy, however when you're talking about pediatric cases, that is something that is typically transferred to the parent/guardian. This is an area that can cause some debate in other sorts of cases, but it's not really an issue here. With regard to justice - she has access to the same care that other patients do. There is no evidence that her treatment is preventing anyone else from receiving treatment. In some cases, justice can be difficult to navigate - particularly when you have hard limits to resources (for example, organ transplants), but that's not an issue here. With regard to beneficence - it appears that the treatment she is receiving is appropriate for her condition and is being carried out to benefit the patient. While the treatment is unpleasant, it appears to fit the standard of care for her condition and should benefit her in the long run. With regard to non-maleficence - Again, the treatment is unpleasant, and there certainly are risks and side-effects, however the treatment is appropriate for the child's condition and if all goes well, she will be cured. To withhold treatment would most certainly cause harm to the patient. So, if you really want to dissect the ethics of the situation, there you go. The voice of reason, thank you. i found much of this thread distressing. Purely because of personal reasons. Having been in the position as patient I certainly wanted everything done to save my life. I had a very grime projected outcome after some horrendous medical issues. In the future should I not be afforded standard care because of the issues I currently face? Whose right is it to make that decision? Who has the right to judge? I have a daughter who faces these same issues, I pray every day I'll never have to make a decision similar to the ones my husband made for me, or my mom made for my sister. Quality of life is defined differently by every single person. I have learned that life to those that stand to lose it is priceless.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 6:27:17 GMT
Didn't Elannah post something a while ago about wanting to keep her sick mother alive on machines no matter what anyone else wanted? That's very different from her OP here. She thinks not treating a baby with DS who has cancer is the right thing to do but when it comes to someone she cares about they need to be kept alive artificially because she can't deal with that person's death. How very odd. That's an enormous and self-serving double standard. We've now come to know of the stress she's under, her mental issues and her problems thinking clearly and rationally and you're still trying to hold her to a standard of rational and logical thinking that she isn't capable of at the moment?
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Post by tenakee on Aug 26, 2015 6:59:16 GMT
Why are so many of you beating up on a person we already know is dealing with mental health issues? She is entitled to post her opinions and you are entitled to ignore her or put her on ignore. Please stop it. I'm certain she has enough people judging her in real life. In three words...because they can. Only here do you find people berating a person with known mental illness. While I understand their frustration with Elannah's posts, mental illness has never stopped the peas from piling on. So, she's posted on this board that she has mental issues and we conclude that it must be true that she's a person with a "known mental illness". Oh wait, so if it's posted on Two Peas Refugees it must be true? Oh, oh, oh, I want to try!!! I'm a billionaire. I'm a billionaire. I'm a billionaire. Hmmmm. Is it true yet? I'll check my bank account tomorrow morning and let you all know! And I promise, if it's true, I'll share with all of you!
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Post by anniebygaslight on Aug 26, 2015 7:15:36 GMT
We've now come to know of the stress she's under, her mental issues and her problems thinking clearly and rationally and you're still trying to hold her to a standard of rational and logical thinking that she isn't capable of at the moment? But have we? We can't be sure that we aren't being toyed with by a troll who has lost her spreadsheets, not her sanity.
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Post by miominmio on Aug 26, 2015 8:15:54 GMT
Didn't Elannah post something a while ago about wanting to keep her sick mother alive on machines no matter what anyone else wanted? That's very different from her OP here. She thinks not treating a baby with DS who has cancer is the right thing to do but when it comes to someone she cares about they need to be kept alive artificially because she can't deal with that person's death. How very odd. That's an enormous and self-serving double standard. It might be odd, but at the same time, it reminds me of my BIL who I KNOW is suffering from severe mental illness. When mental illness might be involved, I like to err on the side of caution when it comes to showing kindness to the person involved. Does the person in fact have a mental illness? Perhaps not, but if the person is indeed ill, showing a minimum of compassion can be so very important.
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Post by christine58 on Aug 26, 2015 10:27:15 GMT
Didn't Elannah post something a while ago about wanting to keep her sick mother alive on machines no matter what anyone else wanted? That's very different from her OP here. She thinks not treating a baby with DS who has cancer is the right thing to do but when it comes to someone she cares about they need to be kept alive artificially because she can't deal with that person's death. How very odd. That's an enormous and self-serving double standard. She sure did.
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JustTricia
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Post by JustTricia on Aug 26, 2015 10:58:40 GMT
Not that I feel the need to defend myself, but I don't find what I posted about Munchausen to be name calling, but concern. She has posted multiple threads about falling, all the threads about her wrist injury, posts about her mental illness, several more about needing help coming to grips with her mom's illnesses (some that were very mean from her side), not being able to sleep so she can't function, etc, not to mention the posts where she just drops her illness into a response. In all the threads it has been suggested she seek help. All these threads have been over the last couple of months. That's an awful lot. With all due respect are you her doctor or shrink? If not you have no idea what is wrong with her but yet you put a name to what you think is wrong with her. Donuts to dollars someone who reads your post is going to say, down the road ,instead of I think she has whatever to she has it. A big difference. And misleading. You are absolutely correct. I am not her doctor. Exactly like she is not the doctor of the child in her OP, yet she has an opinion on it. I think the fact that it took this long for there to be all these Refupeas to say the things in this thread WAS showing her leniency. I've seen a post or two in some of her threads say some of these things; I started thinking something was off when she started on the broken arm threads. But what she posted in this OP was the last straw. We just in this summer had someone post after post defend the picture of "themselves" they posted in a thread that ended up not being true. So forgive those of us who are cynical.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 26, 2015 11:26:07 GMT
Bipolar or not, she is attention seeking. That is part of it.
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Post by houston249 on Aug 26, 2015 12:11:05 GMT
I'm not sure why we are expected to believe that she is bi polar because she says she is. There are many things she says she is that is and has been conflicting. She even said in this thread that she works in medical payments when we all "know" from her other posts that she works in retail. This x 1000. I really am not understanding this logic. She could not have worked in medical payments because she works in retail? What pea here has never had a career change? Or worked 2 jobs? Logic aside, this is the internet. People are not always what we assume they are.
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Post by dewryce on Aug 26, 2015 12:11:40 GMT
When mental illness might be involved, I like to err on the side of caution when it comes to showing kindness to the person involved. Does the person in fact have a mental illness? Perhaps not, but if the person is indeed ill, showing a minimum of compassion can be so very important. I think this is very well said. artbabe posted some very helpful information about the disorder. Here are a just a few descriptions I found that might speak to some of her behaviors: "They often make poorly thought out decisions with little regard to the consequences." "As mania worsens, individuals begin to exhibit erratic and impulsive behavior, often making poor decisions due to unrealistic ideas about the future" "At the most severe level, manic individuals can experience very distorted beliefs about the world" "may have impaired judgment" "Approximately 50% of those with bipolar disorder experience delusions or hallucinations" "bipolar disorder is often accompanied by changes in cognitive processes and abilities. These include reduced attentional and executive capabilities and impaired memory" No, we can't know for certain that she has BPD. But as someone with the mental illness I can say that I recognize myself and my mother in a lot of her posts that I have read, mostly on the Scrapbooking forum.
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Post by artbabe on Aug 26, 2015 13:08:02 GMT
I do believe she is bipolar because everything she posts are classic examples of being bipolar. If she says she is and acts like she is, then I believe she is.
I am very happy that some people on here get it. I am especially grateful to the person who listed the symptoms of being bipolar. The big take away from this is that bipolar people aren't rational. I'm also a bit frustrated by those of you who continually beat on the fact that what she is posting isn't rational and that it isn't consistent. Of course it isn't.
I would also like to address the people who are saying she should just get help. It took me 10 years and 3 psychiatrists to find the right combination of medicine and support to be able to function like a normal person. It isn't so easy to just get help. Ask my father. When I was going through my last mixed phase (because bipolar people can get mania and depression at the same time) he spent weeks calling doctors trying to get me in. I wasn't bad enough to commit but just trying to get a doctor's appointment was a big ordeal. Once you get the doctor's appointment you usually have to wait several months to be seen. It is a total cluster. Try to navigate that when you aren't thinking rationally.
I also want to touch on the people who are saying she can't be that bad off since she is managing a job, a family, etc. That is one of the problems with mental illness. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't. I was always able to stay employed. But the other parts of my life were horrible. The best thing that someone has every said to me was when I finally got to the right psychiatrist. She said I was in the top 1% of people functioning with bipolar and that it was amazing how much of my life I was holding together considering how bad my illness was. It was illuminating for me because all of that time I thought I was failing at life when, in truth, I was doing an amazing job of holding things together. What she said totally changed how I thought about myself.
I am grateful for this thread because it has started some really good discussion about mental illness and has given me a chance to try to explain it from inside the beast. I don't often get an opportunity to do that. I am happy that some of you have found what I've written helpful.
And to finally wade into the topic. I don't think medical ethics is a bad topic to discuss. I think the example she chose was a poor choice but costs vs. benefits of medical intervention is a legitimate topic of conversation. I especially see that it is relevant with end of life care. My mom died of cancer a year and a half ago. It was ugly. I talked to my father about this thread yesterday and we talked not only about mental illness (I showed him what I wrote) but we also talked about Mom's treatment and the decisions that we made, wished we made, and what was best for Mom. It really sparked a legitimate, heartfelt talk.
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Dalai Mama
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La Pea Boheme
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Jun 26, 2014 0:31:31 GMT
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Post by Dalai Mama on Aug 26, 2015 13:28:00 GMT
Wow, some of you people are mean af.
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paget
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Post by paget on Aug 26, 2015 13:54:35 GMT
What a great post, artbabe. I start my internship as a mental health therapist on Monday and I appreciated hearing your insight.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 14:12:46 GMT
With all due respect are you her doctor or shrink? If not you have no idea what is wrong with her but yet you put a name to what you think is wrong with her. Donuts to dollars someone who reads your post is going to say, down the road ,instead of I think she has whatever to she has it. A big difference. And misleading. You are absolutely correct. I am not her doctor. Exactly like she is not the doctor of the child in her OP, yet she has an opinion on it. I think the fact that it took this long for there to be all these Refupeas to say the things in this thread WAS showing her leniency. I've seen a post or two in some of her threads say some of these things; I started thinking something was off when she started on the broken arm threads. But what she posted in this OP was the last straw. We just in this summer had someone post after post defend the picture of "themselves" they posted in a thread that ended up not being true. So forgive those of us who are cynical. There is a difference between being cynical and judgemental without knowing the entire story. IMO you, and others, are passing judgement without knowing the entire story and in your case have offered your own dignosis of what you think is wrong after admitting you are not her doctor or shrink or that you even know her personally. I guess this thread has become the modern day equivalent of the back fence gossips. Or I should say back fence righteous gossips.
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 26, 2015 14:32:52 GMT
Why are so many of you beating up on a person we already know is dealing with mental health issues? She is entitled to post her opinions and you are entitled to ignore her or put her on ignore. Please stop it. I'm certain she has enough people judging her in real life. In three words...because they can. Only here do you find people berating a person with known mental illness. While I understand their frustration with Elannah's posts, mental illness has never stopped the peas from piling on. And taking pride in their pile on... I just don't get it.
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anaterra
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Location: Texas
Jun 29, 2014 3:04:02 GMT
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Post by anaterra on Aug 26, 2015 14:39:16 GMT
Not to farther derail an already huge train wreck BUT..... Just to clarify my spreadsheet so to speak.... Pjaye posted that Elannah n Dawndoll are the same pea... is that true? Dawndoll was like a really big deal in her direct sales business... she always posted about direct sales when i tried selling 31... we used to have regular threads on direct sales tips n stuff... they really can't be the same... can they???
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lesley
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My best friend Turriff, desperately missed.
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Location: Scotland, Scotland, Scotland
Jul 6, 2014 21:50:44 GMT
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Post by lesley on Aug 26, 2015 14:39:05 GMT
I have just worked my way through this thread, and am so angry at the lack of compassion shown by some Peas. I have posted in the past about problems with my DD's mental health, and Elannah PMed me several times, full of compassion for me and my daughter, explaining her own problems, and commenting on how many of the Peas just didn't have a clue about what living with mental illness is like. I work with women with schizophrenia, severe depression or bipolar disorder, and like those Peas who have talked about their own experiences with this illness, I absolutely recognise the signs of mania. I am disgusted by those who think Elannah is making this up - as though someone would have studied long and hard how to fool others, including those who have this illness. And for what? To be abused on the internet? Yeah, that sounds like fun.
And to those who talk about how Elannah hurt their feelings before - maybe remember that before you post nasty stuff yourselves. I remember someone telling me how I should "find a family that my son should go live with - so that he can matter for once". This because I had said my son was leaving school, partly because of the impact of his sister's illness. I found that comment so hurtful I cried.
Some Peas seem to relish kicking people when they're down. And sadly, they can't see that "there but for the grace of God". What does it cost to be kind, to show compassion, or to simply ignore if she riles you up that much?
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JustTricia
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Location: Indianapolis
Jul 2, 2014 17:12:39 GMT
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Post by JustTricia on Aug 26, 2015 14:53:50 GMT
You are absolutely correct. I am not her doctor. Exactly like she is not the doctor of the child in her OP, yet she has an opinion on it. I think the fact that it took this long for there to be all these Refupeas to say the things in this thread WAS showing her leniency. I've seen a post or two in some of her threads say some of these things; I started thinking something was off when she started on the broken arm threads. But what she posted in this OP was the last straw. We just in this summer had someone post after post defend the picture of "themselves" they posted in a thread that ended up not being true. So forgive those of us who are cynical. There is a difference between being cynical and judgemental without knowing the entire story. IMO you, and others, are passing judgement without knowing the entire story and in your case have offered your own dignosis of what you think is wrong after admitting you are not her doctor or shrink or that you even know her personally. I guess this thread has become the modern day equivalent of the back fence gossips. Or I should say back fence righteous gossips. My first post to this said that I wondered if it was Muchausen. That was said out of concern that maybe this message board wasn't helping but feeding into it. Nowhere did I make a diagnosis, to me that was a question, not a judgment. My second post to clarify my question mentioned her falling repeatedly and her broken arm, along with other posts, but those first two things have nothing to do with a mental illness. Half this message board is gossip and nosiness! You are wanting to accuse me of being an awful person after I have said what I posted was concern. I never called her a name, I questioned her diagnosis, but I don't believe I said anything hateful in the thread. With that, I'm finished with this thread. I
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