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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 7, 2015 19:47:09 GMT
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Post by Zee on Oct 7, 2015 20:02:10 GMT
I have heard of this, but never looked until you posted this. I'm not shocked a bit that some men think this way. I'd be more shocked to learn there weren't.
I've never been into game playing or rules and no amount of ridiculous psychological warfare would get me into bed if I didn't want to be there. I think that's what they're missing--that if this stuff is the only thing getting you into bed with a woman, you're dealing with the wrong types of women and setting both of you up for a long series of unhappy manipulative relationships/encounters.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 7, 2015 20:05:05 GMT
I think that if you have to resort to this sort of behavior and tactics to get a woman to sleep with you, it says everything about you. But when you think that the guy you buy coffee from might have these views it makes my skin crawl.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 7, 2015 20:07:30 GMT
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Post by tinydogmafia on Oct 7, 2015 20:11:20 GMT
Yes, I have heard of it, as a frequent reader of Reddit. I even went to the subreddit to gain a better understanding of this and was soon shocked, disgusted and horrified by the outrageous and sexist views of these pigs.
At first I thought it must be my age (early 40's) and views compared to the younger skewed boys (I refuse the word men, real men would never treat woman in that manner.) there. Unfortunately after some thought I realized all generations have these types of assholes, it's just more easily viewed and seen in this world of social media. And easier for them to band together and discuss their thoughts and opinions on women.
Perhaps I am old fashioned. IDK. But that type of mentality is just vile.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Oct 8, 2015 11:37:01 GMT
I don't know why that shocked me, but it did.
I've totally met guys like that in real life, but I guess it just shocked me to see them so organized with their own lingo and such.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 8, 2015 11:40:19 GMT
I don't know why that shocked me, but it did. I've totally met guys like that in real life, but I guess it just shocked me to see them so organized with their own lingo and such. I think that is what shocked me... was that it wasn't just guys being assholes but an organized approach to their sexual conquests... and the way they view women... I just can't imagine thinking that way about half the population. Some of the stuff they say. Women are past their prime at 25. The term plate makes me physically ill. It does feel like we have come far along at all when you read this.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2015 13:40:25 GMT
With all of the online activism and shaming of behavior through social media, it really baffles me that in some aspects of society we don't seem to progress fast enough I try and remember that evolution takes a damn long time.
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Post by epeanymous on Oct 8, 2015 13:52:15 GMT
I read up on them after the shootings in Santa Barbara, because the shooter was supposedly active on some of those boards (but not getting women).
I think like all internet sites, there is a an awful lot of fantasy writing rather than reality on those boards.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 8, 2015 14:57:40 GMT
Am I the only one who *wasn't* shocked by any of that/didn't think any of it was that big of a deal?
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Oct 8, 2015 15:06:52 GMT
I read up on them after the shootings in Santa Barbara, because the shooter was supposedly active on some of those boards (but not getting women). I think like all internet sites, there is a an awful lot of fantasy writing rather than reality on those boards.This. I don't think the fact that they're assholes is fantasy, but I'm convinced that all their talk about how successful their assholian behavior is IS fantasy.
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Post by likescarrots on Oct 8, 2015 15:21:41 GMT
I'm not at all shocked (though still disgusted). I've seen this type of behavior, or similar, from men my whole life. I guess I've never had rose colored glasses when it comes to men. I knew of the pua stuff but i don't do much redditing and i don't know what the red pill is in reference to.
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Post by likescarrots on Oct 8, 2015 15:26:20 GMT
Am I the only one who *wasn't* shocked by any of that/didn't think any of it was that big of a deal? I can understand not being shocked (see above post), but i don't see how you can think it's NBD that an entire group of men think a woman's sole purpose is to be a mans sexual conquest.
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Post by lisacharlotte on Oct 8, 2015 15:36:05 GMT
I joined the military in 1984. It was very much a men's club and I'm never shocked to hear guys that think or talk like this. For a lot of them, it's all talk.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 8, 2015 15:39:04 GMT
Am I the only one who *wasn't* shocked by any of that/didn't think any of it was that big of a deal? I can understand not being shocked (see above post), but i don't see how you can think it's NBD that an entire group of men think a woman's sole purpose is to be a mans sexual conquest. Some guys aren't into relationships. They just want sex. Why should that get a rise out of me?
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Post by grinningcat on Oct 8, 2015 15:42:37 GMT
I can understand not being shocked (see above post), but i don't see how you can think it's NBD that an entire group of men think a woman's sole purpose is to be a mans sexual conquest. Some guys aren't into relationships. They just want sex. Why should that get a rise out of me? Because of their misogynist attitudes towards women and that they see women nothing more than a piece of meat to conquest? Because their attitudes are disgusting and dangerous? Because no woman deserves to be treated like a commodity?
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Post by marg on Oct 8, 2015 16:33:12 GMT
I've visited that subreddit once or twice in the past when there was some Reddit drama going on. It's disgusting. I had to laugh, though, when I visited the Ashley Madison subreddit and so many men were freaking out about being outed. They were complete chickenshits. I feel like there is a crossover between the two subreddits - like several people have said, big talkers on the 'net, probably chickenshits in real life.
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Post by Linda on Oct 8, 2015 18:05:04 GMT
Some guys aren't into relationships. They just want sex. Why should that get a rise out of me? Because of their misogynist attitudes towards women and that they see women nothing more than a piece of meat to conquest? Because their attitudes are disgusting and dangerous? Because no woman deserves to be treated like a commodity? Unfortunately this attitude of treating people as a commodity isn't limited to men. There are plenty of women who see men as a vehicle for sex/ a babymaker/ a wallet etc... To my mind, it says a lot about the person and very little positive at that. But we have a society where disposable/replacable is valued...it's really no wonder that [some] people see relationships/other people the same way...use them for what you want and then toss away...just like your dishes, your phone, your car, your computer....and get a shiny new one
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Post by tinydogmafia on Oct 8, 2015 20:23:02 GMT
Some guys aren't into relationships. They just want sex. Why should that get a rise out of me? -because woman are more than just their bodies or looks -because these types of attitudes spill over past the sex-life part of it, into the work place, causing all sorts of problems -because woman should be valued as equal people in this world and this subculture views women as lesser individuals -because do we really want our daughters, nieces and friends to be looked at as conquests and not as a whole person, do we want them having these types of mind games played on them? -because ultimately as women we should ALL want better for other women. It SHOULD bother you that men are doing these things to women, no matter if it's to you, someone you know, or a stranger. Woman can be just as bad, I get that. No excuses there at all. But as I see it, although women have made amazing progress towards equality, there is ALWAYS a double standard. A man who has many sexual conquest is seen a stud, or a superstar among his friends. A woman with an equal amount of sex partners is seen as a slut. A man working hard at his career is seen as driven and motivated, a woman is seen as aggressive and a bitch. There are so many examples. And these type of sexist views from men perpetuate all of this. Until that mindset is shifted, we will always be valued less, paid less, and seen as sex objects. That's a sad view of life. I was not washed up at age 25 and at 41 I am not washed up now. I am confident in who I am, I know I'm good at what I do, and I know that my man respects and loves me for exactly who I am. That's what I want for ALL women. That type of respect. We all deserve that.
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Post by **Angie** on Oct 8, 2015 20:32:51 GMT
I was really hoping it was a group of people trying to make so that you don't have to promise your firstborn in exchange for Sudafed.
Yeah. Don't even want to click on the links. That is how we got StingerLynn.
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Post by jennyap on Oct 8, 2015 20:36:42 GMT
Some guys aren't into relationships. They just want sex. Why should that get a rise out of me? -because woman are more than just their bodies or looks -because these types of attitudes spill over past the sex-life part of it, into the work place, causing all sorts of problems -because woman should be valued as equal people in this world and this subculture views women as lesser individuals -because do we really want our daughters, nieces and friends to be looked at as conquests and not as a whole person, do we want them having these types of mind games played on them? -because ultimately as women we should ALL want better for other women. It SHOULD bother you that men are doing these things to women, no matter if it's to you, someone you know, or a stranger. Woman can be just as bad, I get that. No excuses there at all. But as I see it, although women have made amazing progress towards equality, there is ALWAYS a double standard. A man who has many sexual conquest is seen a stud, or a superstar among his friends. A woman with an equal amount of sex partners is seen as a slut. A man working hard at his career is seen as driven and motivated, a woman is seen as aggressive and a bitch. There are so many examples. And these type of sexist views from men perpetuate all of this. Until that mindset is shifted, we will always be valued less, paid less, and seen as sex objects. That's a sad view of life. I was not washed up at age 25 and at 41 I am not washed up now. I am confident in who I am, I know I'm good at what I do, and I know that my man respects and loves me for exactly who I am. That's what I want for ALL women. That type of respect. We all deserve that.
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Post by penny on Oct 8, 2015 23:14:45 GMT
I looked at a couple of the links... The amount of time the men spend learning, studying, talking, writing, reading, documenting, and sharing with each other makes me laugh... Doesn't seem like they'd have time to have sex...
Almost like my Pinterest... Thousands of cooking tips and recipes, lots of people saying how great they are, yet here I am - alone and waiting for pizza to be delivered...lol
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Post by pierogi on Oct 8, 2015 23:29:49 GMT
As a redditor, yeah. They're pretty disgusting.
May they all have daughters.
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Post by Zee on Oct 8, 2015 23:34:18 GMT
Does anyone else remember that VH1 show with the guy that called himself Mystery, who taught nerds how to play women with ridiculous outfits and pathetic reverse psychology? I used to laugh so hard at that. I forgot the name of the show and I'm too unmoved by all this to Google it.
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Post by Linda on Oct 8, 2015 23:37:12 GMT
Does anyone else remember that VH1 show with the guy that called himself Mystery, who taught nerds how to play women with ridiculous outfits and pathetic reverse psychology? I used to laugh so hard at that. I forgot the name of the show and I'm too unmoved by all this to Google it. I've never seen it but Google to the rescue... www.vh1.com/shows/the_pickup_artist/season_1/series.jhtml
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Post by Zee on Oct 8, 2015 23:41:51 GMT
Haha yes that's it!
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Post by pyccku on Oct 9, 2015 13:02:11 GMT
What I don't get about those guys: They are men who want sex, without commitment. There are women who just want sex, without commitment.
Why not just finds some of those women? Then no games necessary, no feelings involved. Both sides get what they want without resorting to stupid mind games. If you find someone who just wants to have sex with you, you won't have to trick her into bed.
So I have a feeling that these guys would have trouble getting even women who just want sex, hence the games and tactics,
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Post by myboysnme on Oct 9, 2015 13:18:11 GMT
As mothers sounds like we have to add to our conversations with our sons. The attitude is to reject what they were taught about women. Why? Because they want to have sex and can't find anyone?
These guys are some women's sons so somewhere along the road they lost respect or maybe never developed respect for women. So their dads need to be on board with their moms regarding this attitude formation.
We have a long way to go.
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Post by Linda on Oct 9, 2015 13:45:29 GMT
As mothers sounds like we have to add to our conversations with our sons. The attitude is to reject what they were taught about women. Why? Because they want to have sex and can't find anyone? These guys are some women's sons so somewhere along the road they lost respect or maybe never developed respect for women. So their dads need to be on board with their moms regarding this attitude formation. We have a long way to go. given the number of broken families and female-headed families in America today...perhaps some of the problem is that their dad's were either absent or modelling behaviour which didn't show respect for the women in the family? [and I would venture to guess that many of the women who see men as meal tickets and baby daddies not people were probably ALSO raised in families without strong male figures] But yes - we need to talk to our sons (and our daughters) about respecting themselves AND others. We also need to model that behaviour both in how we interact with our spouses (or our ex-spouses and/or SOs) and others AND in how we respond to interactions with those who don't treat us with respect.
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Post by LeaP on Oct 9, 2015 14:20:05 GMT
I've read several offensive sub-reddits including "Red Pill". While the technology portion is new, the mentality is not. If you read Gloria Steinem's account of being a Playboy bunny you will see that the very same mentality was cemented at least 40 years ago. I think the dysfunction cuts both way. I've spoken to many women who have crazy laundry lists for what they want in a man. I think that expectations are skewed by both sides.
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