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Post by RiverIsis on Oct 9, 2015 2:15:40 GMT
Got to love a good TG f bomb - still watching but thought I would get the thread rolling!
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Post by peasapie on Oct 9, 2015 2:18:20 GMT
I'm so tired of Ashley calling herself a full-figure designer. This challenge, when she had a woman with curves to work with, she put a big ruffle right in the middle and had four different layers cutting her horizontally.
In previous challenges, she has designed things with midriffs and circle skirts. How are these designs for plus-size women? I don't get it.
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Post by lizacreates on Oct 9, 2015 2:55:02 GMT
I'm really glad Swapnil was auf'd this week because, frankly, I'm fed up with all his talk and excuses and then basically bumming around and smoking when he ought to be working. I don't know what's happened to him because he didn't seem this indifferent in the first couple weeks. I would have loved to have seen a final collection from him that's a fusion of Asian and Western design elements. What a shame.
Ashley - well, another one I can't figure out. Her forte is designing for full-figured women. Why sew a dress with peplum that emphasizes girth, put two layers of it, a floral bottom and a solid-colored top! And her taste in fabric prints is awful. Even my elderly mother refuses to wear a floral skirt; even for her it's too mumsy. She needs to pull herself together, buck up and elevate her designs.
Not really wowed by anything this week, including Merline's. Actually, not wowed at all about this whole season so far.
I'm glad Tim Gunn just let it rip with Swapnil. Asking "Why are you here? Why are you here?" really proved how Tim was just so utterly frustrated with Swapnil's general attitude.
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Post by RiverIsis on Oct 9, 2015 3:12:20 GMT
Swapnil still did a final look. NYfashion week was a couple of weeks ago and these last six definitely showed. I think he just thought he was better than everyone.
Is Ashley my chintz loving grandma? I swear every print she picks is stuff my grandmother picked and I always thought she picked it because she didn't have other choices. Hmmm And I agree about the not understanding horizontal lines on a curvy figure. Even those crop tops aren't flattering because of the lines!
I preferred Edmond's look to Merline's. I thought her "coat" was odd. I thought is didn't quite go together but it was still nice pieces.
I agree with the Kelly win. It was just adorable on her model.
And Candace - finally! Calling her out on her Comic Con hooker chic!
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Post by pb on Oct 9, 2015 3:27:27 GMT
I am now three episodes behind and I am not finding any motivation to catch up and continue. I have watched every season of Project runway and this season may have killed what ever enthusiasm I had left for this show.
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Post by myshelly on Oct 9, 2015 3:30:03 GMT
So this confirms Swapnil is the designer TG was referencing in the TG thread from last week, yes?
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Post by RiverIsis on Oct 9, 2015 3:33:08 GMT
Didn't TG say the season improved tremendously once he was gone? I will stick it out now and see. In Tim Gunn We Trust!
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Post by tiffanytwisted on Oct 9, 2015 3:44:47 GMT
I'm only halfway thru, but I have to say that while I'm sick of Swapnil's attitude, his client is a whiny brat who didn't seem capable of being made happy. I mean, crying? What's up w/that? She's not wearing the dress every day for the rest of her life. It's not her wedding gown or prom dress. While I can appreciate that the designers need to make their client happy, the bottom line is that they are competing. They need to put out a design that they are happy with and the staff, more so than the usual women they have for the 'every day woman' challenge, should know that and be a little more cooperative, imo. I think more than one of the designers was stymied by trying to present their own pov while trying to appease these women.
Once again, a disappointing episode for a few reasons. <sigh>
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Post by RiverIsis on Oct 9, 2015 3:50:07 GMT
I honestly didn't understand his issue with her wanting sleeves. I never wear anything sleeveless or even short sleeved. We see runway gowns on the red carpet that have had such modifications, so I just thought Swapnil was making excuses.
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Post by oaksong on Oct 9, 2015 5:58:07 GMT
I'm glad Swapnil is gone. He checked out mentally a few weeks ago. I wonder what really happened with him, because he was so good in the first few challenges, and so incredibly bad in the last few. He obviously has a lot of talent, and his fashion week show is beautiful.
Did you notice Zac Posen grabbing at the boobs of Candice's hooker outfit on his coworker-model? So inappropriate! She should have slapped his hand on national TV, or even better, punched him in the face. I loathe him.
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Post by Scrapbrat on Oct 9, 2015 10:50:00 GMT
This was the worst episode ever! Ugh! I actually hated every single look, except that I liked Edmond's dress. I'm glad Swapnil is gone and I too do not really understand what happened to him. He is clearly very talented. But I do agree that his client was pretty whiny. That's only about the second show I've ever seen where Tim didn't tell the departing designer that they would be missed, and hug them
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Post by pjaye on Oct 9, 2015 11:02:21 GMT
wonder what really happened with him, because he was so good in the first few challenges, and so incredibly bad in the last few. He obviously has a lot of talent, and his fashion week show is beautiful. I think it was all too much for him, it was more than he expected and his response to that was to shut down and stop working. I can be a bit like that at times, I am very self motivated and if I have a deadline...I'll always meet it but I need to be able to do it how I 'need' to do it. If I have people in my space the whole time asking me and advising me, it then gets overwhelming and I'll find myself doing less and going into shutdown mode. I could never work with a personal trainer because someone shouting instructing or shouting motivation has the exact opposite effect on me...I just stop. He walks away and smokes. The issue is he should have known this about himself and his work method and had enough foresight not to be on the show. I did laugh though because when they showed the preview last week of Tim using the F work, I did think "I bet it's directed at Swapnil" I've been sick of Ashley since episode 2, her whining and lack of confidence id draining to watch. She also can't work under pressure and she has horrible taste in prints and fabrics. I wonder how much of her success as a plus sized designer is because those women have less options, so the people who design plus sized clothing have an automatic market even if their clothes aren't that great. Her lady wanted something flowing...look what Ashley was wearing, a long flowing skirt in a soft material, a t-shirt and a denim vest, she could have done a funky version of that look with great materials, a bit of bling on the t-shirt and it would have been flattering and exactly what her client wanted...wear the flowing skirt and a blingy top to a wedding or add a funky denim vest for a more casual look. Her client told her what she wanted and Ashley was another one who didn't listen. She gets in her own way. I haven't always liked Merlene's outfits but she has the right attitude to this competition, she didn't fall apart when her client hated it...she just kept on changing it until she got the look her client loved. Edmund had the right attitude too, but he should have stuck with his original idea of pants under that coat. I actually liked the two guest judges this week, outspoken, but they made very valid points I thought.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 9, 2015 11:28:29 GMT
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Meh. The "Meh" is for Kelli's look. She just made exactly what her client was wearing when they met, but in different fabrics. It looked good because that woman has a great figure. Did you notice Zac Posen grabbing at the boobs of Candice's hooker outfit on his coworker-model? So inappropriate! She should have slapped his hand on national TV, or even better, punched him in the face. ...and running his finger down the breast of Edmund's client? He does it ALL THE TIME. You're right; it was especially cringe-ie in these circumstances.
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Post by auntkelly on Oct 9, 2015 12:16:25 GMT
I thought it was time for Swapnil to go, but I thought there was a lot of manufactured drama last night. Swapnil's model's reaction to the dress was way over the top - too bad she didn't like it, but it's not like someone died.
Swapnil's model acted so hurt and fragile in the work room. TG escorted her out as if he had to whisk her out of the workroom before she fell apart with grief. However, after the runway show, instead of acting like a whiny hurt puppy, as she did in the workroom, she acted like a completely confident woman who delighted in showing the judges how awful the dress was.
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Post by deep on Oct 9, 2015 14:05:10 GMT
Small and petty alert: Can the Mary Kay dude please give Ashley some makeup that won't leave a big track every week when she starts crying?
I thought the top and bottom picks were appropriate and they did (after some false starts for Edmund and Merlene) listen to their clients.
Do I have a selective memory or on the Real Women challenges, does the designer who ends up with a real woman with a more model like figure tend to win?
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Post by imsirius on Oct 9, 2015 15:18:38 GMT
I thought Swapnil was lacking and fluffing off but his client was a nightmare!!! Of course his outfit wasn't going to be finished, he had 2 hours to make it! Yes, his fault for being so lackadaisical about the whole thing and not talking more to his client about what she wanted. However, she asked for sleeves, he gave her sleeves and she hated it! I serious think that the client had/has NO idea about what she likes herself!!! She couldn't make a decision and she certainly didn't give Swapnil much to work with. "I want sleeves, I don't want a jacket, I don't want pants!" WTF was he supposed to do?
I thought for sure that Tim would use his save and make it a learning moment, but when I saw him in the workroom throwing the bullshit and F bomb at him, I knew Swapnil was a goner. Swapnil knew it too. It's too bad because he really did some amazing things in the first couple episodes.
Ashley is getting on my final nerve. She is another one who Tim needs to shake. This "I have no confidence in myself" shit needs to stop and stop now. She got on the show didn't she? She must have had some confidence and ideas. I don't understand how she could not have won this challenge. They basically gave her a dream client!! The dress was AWFUL. I'm a small woman and I wouldn't even TOUCH that layering and the ugly peplum. It was hideous. She needs to stop crying and start picking better prints and just work!!! Her poor me routine is so old now.
Candice's outfit was HIDEOUS. Seriously, it looked like a Halloween hooker costume. Her model looked so upset. Her makeover was awful too. The blue extensions did nothing for her.
I loved Edmond's Dress. I thought it was really cool. The coat was nice too separately. The colour may have been a bit drab but for his first raincoat, I liked it.
I'm in the minority. I thought all Kelly did was take the woman's outfit she already wore and made it leather. It wasn't sophisticated!!! I wonder do the judges even know what sophisticated is? Overalls are NOT. The tank in the back was so stretched and puckered but they didn't say a word about it!! I wish they'd get their shit together and keep on the same standards each show.
Finally, Merline's look. UGH...that wasn't a jacket..why was she calling it a jacket? It was a vest. An ugly vest. I thought it looked like it was made of felt. Her client was happy and her hair looked cool, but that wasn't the challenge. I think it was awful. So underwhelming.
Zac is creepy. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed him feeling up his co workers. It was gross to watch.
I still think Heidi has a head full of rocks too. LOL
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Post by imsirius on Oct 9, 2015 15:22:21 GMT
Swapnil's model acted so hurt and fragile in the work room. TG escorted her out as if he had to whisk her out of the workroom before she fell apart with grief. However, after the runway show, instead of acting like a whiny hurt puppy, as she did in the workroom, she acted like a completely confident woman who delighted in showing the judges how awful the dress was. YES!!! Dh watched with me this morning and he said "That chick was all hurt assed in the workroom and fittings but now she is crowing with glee that he's being called out." I agree. She was reveling in the fact that Swapnil got his ass handed to him and it felt so contrived. Almost planned that way...I wonder.
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Post by tiffanytwisted on Oct 9, 2015 16:59:47 GMT
Can't help but wonder if editing doesn't come into play once again.
Don't get me wrong, Swapnil needed to go. And I agree - I think he just became overwhelmed. But they've had much bigger asshats on the show than him and Tim has managed to keep it together. Maybe there was much more going on behind the scenes than we were privy to.
Speaking of behind the scenes, maybe that's why his 'client' gave him such a hard time? Maybe he was a bigger douche off camera and as a member of the crew she saw it all? I am hoping that's the case, because like I said, I thought she was a whiny brat. And, yes! I noticed how gleeful she was when he was being raked over the coals during judging. Ick.
And yes, I'm trying to hang on to my love for Ashley, but I'm getting tired of her whining as well. I allowed her one week after the Mean Girls episode to have her confidence shaken, but she needs to put on her big girl panties and take advantage of the opportunity she has here. Enough.
Overall, I felt the crew people were a lot harder on the designers than necessary. They work for the show, so they know what's at stake for these people. Let them design what they want, put it on, sashay down the runway and smile & lie if you have to for the judges. Cut these designers a break.
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Post by stampinfraulein on Oct 9, 2015 17:12:42 GMT
I'm so tired of Ashley calling herself a full-figure designer. This challenge, when she had a woman with curves to work with, she put a big ruffle right in the middle and had four different layers cutting her horizontally. In previous challenges, she has designed things with midriffs and circle skirts. How are these designs for plus-size women? I don't get it. I don't think they are the most flattering on that body shape, but she herself wears midriffs and circle skirts so I think she views those styles as perfectly reasonable for any shape woman.
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Post by RiverIsis on Oct 9, 2015 17:29:26 GMT
I'm so tired of Ashley calling herself a full-figure designer. This challenge, when she had a woman with curves to work with, she put a big ruffle right in the middle and had four different layers cutting her horizontally. In previous challenges, she has designed things with midriffs and circle skirts. How are these designs for plus-size women? I don't get it. I don't think they are the most flattering on that body shape, but she herself wears midriffs and circle skirts so I think she views those styles as perfectly reasonable for any shape woman. Yeah, TBH her client was asking for an figure skimming A-line dress with sleeves. Ashley didn't comprehend that at all. And I agree about Kelly just making what her client was already wearing in pleather. You couldn't put that on Ashley's model in a 1000 years! Ashley's on another model is wearable, ugly, but wearable. Edmond's was also wearable by any of the women on that stage.
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Post by Scrapbrat on Oct 9, 2015 17:32:29 GMT
The funny thing about Ashley cratering on this challenge is, how many times have we seen exactly that? The designer who specializes in some area absolutely bombs when that specialty is the challenge.
I thought the crew members were generally kind of difficult, too. I'd have just said, make me something that looks good on me! I'd let them have a lot more leeway, although I suppose a real client wouldn't do that. But really, asking specifically for a raincoat, or for overalls?
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Post by tiffanytwisted on Oct 9, 2015 18:08:32 GMT
The funny thing about Ashley cratering on this challenge is, how many times have we seen exactly that? The designer who specializes in some area absolutely bombs when that specialty is the challenge. I thought the crew members were generally kind of difficult, too. I'd have just said, make me something that looks good on me! I'd let them have a lot more leeway, although I suppose a real client wouldn't do that. But really, asking specifically for a raincoat, or for overalls? I agree. And while a real client wouldn't do that, they also would go to a designer whose pov was close to their own. Not pick someone randomly and then ask them to design something completely out of their wheelhouse. I think the clients should have been paired w/designers whose tastes more closely matched their own (they did good w/Ashley even though she blew the challenge).
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Post by peabay on Oct 9, 2015 18:14:02 GMT
I pretty much agree with everyone: Swapnil's client was a PITA. She came off looking so badly. Ashley's garment was so bad I was embarrassed for her. Oh God - that silhouette and those colors! It was like Wal Mart trying to copy Lilly Pulitzer. Personally, I thought Murline's was the best.
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Post by imsirius on Oct 9, 2015 18:21:53 GMT
Can't help but wonder if editing doesn't come into play once again. Don't get me wrong, Swapnil needed to go. And I agree - I think he just became overwhelmed. But they've had much bigger asshats on the show than him and Tim has managed to keep it together. Maybe there was much more going on behind the scenes than we were privy to. Speaking of behind the scenes, maybe that's why his 'client' gave him such a hard time? Maybe he was a bigger douche off camera and as a member of the crew she saw it all? I am hoping that's the case, because like I said, I thought she was a whiny brat. And, yes! I noticed how gleeful she was when he was being raked over the coals during judging. Ick. Was wondering this myself. He and Candice seem so close (close enough for him to fall asleep on her shoulder before the judging!) and he seems to genuinely get along with everyone. But, what if he *IS* a cocksure, real obnoxious PITA to them all the rest of the time? Still doesn't excuse the chick he had though. She knew what he was all about and then made it super duper difficult for him. Like I said, I wonder if she was planted to do so?
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Post by Merge on Oct 9, 2015 19:09:51 GMT
I'm kind of done with Ashley after last night. As a plus size woman myself, I felt like she wasted an opportunity to show something that would be both creative and flattering. So much out there for plus sizes is the same old thing over and over again, or it's horribly contrived and almost costume-y, which is the category I would put Ashley's in. I would have been nice to see something both creative and realistic.
Plus I'm tired of the tear tracks through the horrible orange makeup.
I've been done with Swapnil for a few weeks now. That attitude!
I do think it's telling, how difficult it was for all the designers to design something for a woman who isn't shaped like a broomstick.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Oct 9, 2015 21:21:08 GMT
Can't help but wonder if editing doesn't come into play once again. Yup. Stupid, transparent show. I have an alternate theory. Total speculation, but I suspect many in the show, including both Mentor Tim and Producer Tim, had high hopes for Swapnil. As did we. In a season sorely lacking in talent, Swapnil let us all down. So a few weeks ago, they drastically changed his edit. And last night we got: lots of interview questions for Candace about her friend...a cuckoo client for Swapnil...a surprise-and-unprecedented fitting during the mentoring...a camera out by the dumpster...and - this one actually made me groan - random footage of Swapnil shot from behind a looming pack of cigarettes on a table. It was like a 1950s B-movie. (His demons! Damn that monkey on his back!) I like Tim. He was probably sincerely disappointed with Swapnil. But if you dusted for fingerprints, I think you'd find some of Tim's all over last night's episode. Absent talent, they created lame drama 'cause they think we want it. I don't think Swapnil's a jerk; he seemed likable, if a little loose-lipped. Maybe I'm wrong. But I definitely don't think we would have seen all the clucking over his attitude (a.k.a. HIS ATTITUDE!) if he'd kept designing good clothes. It'll be interesting to see if, per Tim's story, all the other designers were dragged down by being around Swapnil, and their designing mojo benefits from his departure.
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Post by hop2 on Oct 9, 2015 21:25:53 GMT
For 'caring' so much about the crew since they've worked together for years, they sure gave swapnil's client a bad edit. It was so odd how that played out on TV thrre are pices missing. There's got to be something.
Tim really just does not like Swapnil, I'd have picked that up even if we hadn't have had that thread last week. That was one of the coldest goodbyes ever. Swapnil MUST have been way worse than his edit, I really didn't see him doing anything at all beyond eat, smoke and toss something together when time was up. Not sure how he dragged everyone else down with him. BUT they edit a great deal and I believe it when Tim says that, he's there we aren't. He isn't cold like that to designers just because they suck on PR.
Episode was interesting but not one to go watch again that's for sure, this season just had the life sucked out of it and none of the final collections are wow in any way good or bad. Just average all the way around.
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Post by imsirius on Oct 9, 2015 22:10:39 GMT
I have an alternate theory. Total speculation, but I suspect many in the show, including both Mentor Tim and Producer Tim, had high hopes for Swapnil. As did we. In a season sorely lacking in talent, Swapnil let us all down. So a few weeks ago, they drastically changed his edit. And last night we got: lots of interview questions for Candace about her friend...a cuckoo client for Swapnil...a surprise-and-unprecedented fitting during the mentoring...a camera out by the dumpster...and - this one actually made me groan - random footage of Swapnil shot from behind a looming pack of cigarettes on a table. It was like a 1950s B-movie. (His demons! Damn that monkey on his back!) Thanks for reminding me. I thought it was really weird that they showed him by the dumpster outside. They've never shown anyone outside the workroom or the apartments other than their own field trips. It was so out of character for the show editing. And the goodbye was just awful. I just can't believe Tim didn't have anything to say to Swapnil. Even designers that gave him a really hard time in the past (Kinley comes to mind) Tim has ALWAYS said goodbye, good luck, see ya later.
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Post by zella on Oct 9, 2015 22:43:15 GMT
If you haven't already done so, go check out Swapnil's designs from India. The man is amazing. I even can admire virtually all of his designs that I don't like (i.e. the ones that are too far out for my taste), but he has many that are exquisite. IMO he is by FAR the most talented. And he is a well-known designer in India. I'm not sure what happened to him on PR.
Re: Ashley. Some heavy women who have the hourglass figure will accentuate that, and this is what I see Ashley doing. But it can be very unflattering. When I looked for her designs online I found very little.
I think this season is a dud.
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Post by blarneygirl on Oct 9, 2015 22:50:46 GMT
I have nothing left to add, you all hit the nail on the head for me. I don't even have Ashley to cling to and root for. For me, there was not one garment that pushed the envelope, or was interesting, or even fun. Pleather overalls and an ill fitting t-shirt won?
I have to see if the early seasons are online and watch those. I didn't feel I was being manipulated by editing or manufactured drama. The designers themselves were interesting enough in their designs and how they interacted with each other.
Nick, Santino, Jeffrey, Laura, who were the others (the one guy was bald, I loved him!) They were awesome and made for a great season!
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