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Post by twoboyzmom on Jan 7, 2016 23:17:28 GMT
Swipe your bank card and choose to run as credit. Denies. Swipe again and run an debit and it approves it. Mistake? How will it deny credit yet a debit is an automatic payment and the $ is there? Thanks ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/MNrJDkDuSwqIMVw33MdD.jpg)
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Post by lovinlife on Jan 7, 2016 23:25:21 GMT
I had this happen right before Christmas. I called the bank and it was a glitch in the system...many people affected. It also held funds for each decline bc I had them try a few times before I did the debit. They apologized profusely and the held funds were gone by morning ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/MNrJDkDuSwqIMVw33MdD.jpg)
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Post by myshelly on Jan 7, 2016 23:27:25 GMT
So what's the debate?
Like mistake as opposed to what? What is the other person arguing?
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Post by twoboyzmom on Jan 7, 2016 23:28:33 GMT
Debate is how can they decline credit but let it go thru as debit? If anything ud think other way around. ..
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Post by myshelly on Jan 7, 2016 23:29:16 GMT
I don't think that's a debate.
That's a question.
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Post by twoboyzmom on Jan 7, 2016 23:35:43 GMT
So what ever it is!!? If u don't want to answer it then move on..
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Post by myshelly on Jan 7, 2016 23:38:18 GMT
I'm just trying to figure out what you are asking.
"Settle a friendly debate" would be my friend thinks X and I think Y, which one is right.
So I'm trying to figure out what the two sides could be to this.
It was just a very odd way to phrase the title and the OP.
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Post by twoboyzmom on Jan 7, 2016 23:40:34 GMT
Omg whatever. ...one friend thinks it cant decline credit but approve debit so must be a glitch . Other friend thinks it's possible to process it that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2016 23:44:27 GMT
Debate is how can they decline credit but let it go thru as debit? If anything ud think other way around. .. A credit can later be challenged (my card was stolen) and a charge back made which is why it would be declined. A debit they can tell if the funds are there immediately and get paid. Having the customer get a charge back is much more difficult since the person swiping the card through the machine had to know the pin.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 7, 2016 23:44:34 GMT
You guys should definitely fight about this.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jan 7, 2016 23:45:27 GMT
Dunno, but it happens all the time with my Wells Fargo card. Denied credit, approved debit or vice versa-denied debit but approved credit.
There is no rhyme or reason to it, Wells Fargo doesn't approve either one if there is no money there. It won't allow a credit purchase if the balance isn't going to cover it. It won't allow a debit purchase if the funds won't cover it. It just happens randomly.
I suspect it has more to do with the vendor than anything else. I don't know that for sure, but I am *just* cynical enough to think that there are probably vendor fees associated with one or the other and if they don't want to pay them, they set up their system to deny credit over debit (or vice versa.)
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Post by twoboyzmom on Jan 7, 2016 23:51:23 GMT
You guys should definitely fight about this. Yea it's a real heated argument. Gosh people relax.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jan 7, 2016 23:53:46 GMT
You guys should definitely fight about this. Yea it's a real heated argument. Gosh people relax. I don't know. I'm pretty upset about this debate. I wonder if they will make a Netflix series about it? Serial season 3.
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Post by milocat on Jan 8, 2016 0:01:49 GMT
So you have one card that you can choose whether to use as a debit or credit when you swipe it? So it's linked to the same account. Is this in the USA? Interesting. I have 2 separate cards. If I had no money in my account my debit would be declined but if I still had room on my credit card it could be approved and vise versa.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jan 8, 2016 0:05:08 GMT
It happens all the time to me when I travel. They freeze my card because I never remember to call but I can run it as debut with no issue. Has nothing to do with money on my account. Had to do with their suspicion the card may be stolen.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jan 8, 2016 0:06:34 GMT
So you have one card that you can choose whether to use as a debit or credit when you swipe it? So it's linked to the same account. Is this in the USA? Interesting. I have 2 separate cards. If I had no money in my account my debit would be declined but if I still had room on my credit card it could be approved and vise versa. I don't know if it is a US thing or not. I have one card that can be used as either a Visa or a debit card. Often when I swipe it I am given the option of choosing between either a credit or a debit. If I choose debit, the money is taken out of my account immediately, if I choose credit, the money is held until processed. Either way, the money is collected in some way at the point of the sale. (At least that is how my bank does it.) Because the money is collected in some way, if there is none in the account to collect as either a debit or a credit the sale will be declined.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2016 0:10:39 GMT
I process many credit cards each month and can honestly say that the actual retailer or vendor you are paying has no idea why a debit or CC was declined, just that it was. If you expect them to be able to tell you why, all I can see is whether the card is declined because it is expired. Other than that, we have no idea why.
So it probably has to do with some strange algorithm by the credit card processor/banking system and MC/VISA/AmEx/Discover. People swear to me all the time there is money in the account or credit on the card, but it still declines. There is absolutely nothing I can do about it to make the CC company/bank let it go through. And it seems like they are declining more lately -- is it due to lack of funds? I have no clue!
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Post by BarbaraUK on Jan 8, 2016 0:12:57 GMT
So you have one card that you can choose whether to use as a debit or credit when you swipe it? So it's linked to the same account. Is this in the USA? Interesting. I have 2 separate cards. If I had no money in my account my debit would be declined but if I still had room on my credit card it could be approved and vise versa. I don't know if it is a US thing or not. I have one card that can be used as either a Visa or a debit card. Often when I swipe it I am given the option of choosing between either a credit or a debit. If I choose debit, the money is taken out of my account immediately, if I choose credit, the money is held until processed. Either way, the money is collected in some way at the point of the sale. (At least that is how my bank does it.) Because the money is collected in some way, if there is none in the account to collect as either a debit or a credit the sale will be declined. I'm not aware of any cards in the UK operating like that - I have two different cards for credit and debit also. This is my thing learned today from the RPeas!
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Post by twoboyzmom on Jan 8, 2016 0:18:21 GMT
They didn't expect the store to tell them why, just wondered. And if it were lack of funds it wouldn't have gone thru as debit?
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Post by cmpeter on Jan 8, 2016 0:49:25 GMT
I would also guess it's a potential fraud decline. Anyone can sign for a cc, but it's harder to get someone's PIN number.
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Post by Eddie-n-Harley on Jan 8, 2016 0:51:28 GMT
Sometimes if the cashier makes a mistake, and tells the machine it's going to be debit but you select credit, there's a mismatch to the computer and it declines the transaction.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jan 8, 2016 0:51:26 GMT
You guys should definitely fight about this. With Weapons!
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Post by Nanner on Jan 8, 2016 1:02:19 GMT
Yeah, the cards are different in the U.S. They can use the same card and have it either do debit or credit. In Canada, we have a separate card for each, which I actually prefer. Or maybe because I'm just used to it that way!
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Post by myshelly on Jan 8, 2016 1:16:29 GMT
So you have one card that you can choose whether to use as a debit or credit when you swipe it? So it's linked to the same account. Is this in the USA? Interesting. I have 2 separate cards. If I had no money in my account my debit would be declined but if I still had room on my credit card it could be approved and vise versa. Yep. I only have one card. It's a VISA. It's linked to my checking account. At any checkout I can choose whether I want it processed as a debit card (in which case I have to put in my PIN) or credit (in which case I do not have to put in my PIN). It doesn't really make a difference to me because either way the charge shows up on my account immediately and the money is deducted from my available balance immediately. I always choose credit bc I don't even know my PIN number. I don't think I ever set one.
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Post by perumbula on Jan 8, 2016 1:20:29 GMT
It's not that we have one card that can be a credit or a debit which ever we prefer. It's that the Debit card can be processed at the store so we either enter a PIN (debit) or we sign (credit.) The one card is linked to one checking account and even if you process it as a "credit" it does not actually behave like a credit card. You have to have the funds in your account to purchase and those funds will be removed from your account to pay for the transaction ASAP. I have a separate credit card with which I can borrow money if I choose.
As to the OP, there is a grocery store in our area that will decline credit processing and will only run cards as debit. Credit processing costs the store a higher percentage of the transaction, so the store saves money by not allowing them.
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Post by Rhondito on Jan 8, 2016 1:37:37 GMT
I process many credit cards each month and can honestly say that the actual retailer or vendor you are paying has no idea why a debit or CC was declined, just that it was. If you expect them to be able to tell you why, all I can see is whether the card is declined because it is expired. Other than that, we have no idea why. So it probably has to do with some strange algorithm by the credit card processor/banking system and MC/VISA/AmEx/Discover. People swear to me all the time there is money in the account or credit on the card, but it still declines. There is absolutely nothing I can do about it to make the CC company/bank let it go through. And it seems like they are declining more lately -- is it due to lack of funds? I have no clue! There have been a lot of software glitches since the implementation of chip readers - ours even declines a credit to a debit card (when something is being returned.) We have to process all the returns as credits to credit cards rather than debit cards. I'm sure I just confused everyone even more!
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