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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 0:45:03 GMT
As the daughter of someone with a permanent disability--paraplegia as a result of childhood polio--I would not be offended to see someone who is temporarily disabled use a handicap parking spot.
That being said, I wouldn't run the risk of getting a ticket.
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Post by calgal08 on Jul 26, 2014 0:46:55 GMT
Don't do it. It's not until you've been out and about with someone who is paralyzed from the waist down that you realize how much they need the handicapped spot and you don't.
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MaryC
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Post by MaryC on Jul 26, 2014 0:59:56 GMT
I am paralyzed from the mid-chest down and have a vehicle modified with hand-controls and a wheelchair lift. Even if there are a dozen "regular" handicapped spots open, I still might not be able to park because I have to have a van-accessible handicapped spot with room for the lift.
Disability is disability, and I'm certainly not going to begrudge someone in a cast and on crutches a handicap permit just because their disability is temporary and mine is permanent.
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Post by traceys on Jul 26, 2014 3:02:20 GMT
There are moral reasons not to do it. And why would you be so casual about getting a hefty ticket? I'm not casual about a ticket...just that part of it wasn't what I felt strange about. I was more concerned about whether it would be morally wrong to do than the legal aspect. If there were no ticket involved, I would've asked the same question.
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Post by melanell on Jul 26, 2014 3:04:14 GMT
Don't do it. It's not until you've been out and about with someone who is paralyzed from the waist down that you realize how much they need the handicapped spot and you don't. I agree. I typically try to avoid comparing hardships, pains, or struggles. Just because one person's situation may seem or even be worse than another's it doesn't change that they both must deal with their own issues. If my father was about to park in a spot and realized that someone "worse off" than him needed it, he might opt to find someplace else to park. But I wouldn't want him to feel obligated to do so. He may not be paralyzed or in a wheelchair, but he has significant pain when walking that he has to endure. That is a difficulty, no matter if it is a difficulty someone feels is less than their own or not.
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Post by calgal08 on Jul 26, 2014 3:37:56 GMT
Don't do it. It's not until you've been out and about with someone who is paralyzed from the waist down that you realize how much they need the handicapped spot and you don't. I agree. I typically try to avoid comparing hardships, pains, or struggles. Just because one person's situation may seem or even be worse than another's it doesn't change that they both must deal with their own issues. If my father was about to park in a spot and realized that someone "worse off" than him needed it, he might opt to find someplace else to park. But I wouldn't want him to feel obligated to do so. He may not be paralyzed or in a wheelchair, but he has significant pain when walking and for him to endure. That is a difficulty, no matter if it is a difficulty someone feels is less than their own or not. Actually, the paralyzed friend doesn't use the handicapped spaces because he believes there's other people who need the spaces more than he does. But my point is, having seen my friend lift himself into his car and then lean over to fold up his wheelchair and lift it into the seat behind him makes me realize that taking a handicapped spot is not OK.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Jul 26, 2014 3:57:06 GMT
My teen son was in crutches this past year. He lasted a day before he said "screw it." It was for a sore ankle so he just decided to hobble. I hope you heal soon. He said crutches were a major hassle and very tiring to use around school.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 4:38:18 GMT
I don't know how I've missed this all day today. I posted a thread on 2peas years ago about this very topic. My thread title was not very tasteful...and I was raked over the coals pretty good over it. I had people question my health, question my doctor's skill...the works. It was ugly. (and honestly, I had a very non-apologetic attitude...which wasn't very nice and certainly didn't help)
With that said, I parked in the handicapped spaces in our church parking lot after having some problems in my surgery recovery. I was using a walker, wasn't real mobile, and had a great deal of pain.
I didn't have the legal right to use that spot, but I did have a physical need...and while mine may be temporary, it's still as much of a need as anyone else disabled on a temporary basis or permanently.
At the time, I felt confident that in my taking one space, anyone else needing a space had another 5 to choose from. (2 were already taken by church members who regularly use the spots...they have a permit obviously) I honestly didn't feel that our little church would suddenly have an influx of visitors that required a handicapped spot.
Would I have done the same at the grocery store? Probably not...because I was in no physical shape to go to the grocery store. Even riding in a motorized cart would've been too much. I wanted to go to church.
So while my attitude that I brought to the pod earned me every bit of wrath that I got years ago, if I were facing the same situation...I can't say that I wouldn't do it again. (I just wouldn't bring it to the pod LOL)
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Jul 26, 2014 6:31:22 GMT
Yes it would be rude, tacky and illegal and when I see people park in a spot that is H/C and don't have a placard I call them on it as they leave their car. My son is disabled has been since birth and we only use his placard when he is with us and is leaving the car. Yes most times we could park in a regular spot because we assist him in and out of his chair and because the weather may be nice out but the biggest reason we park in a h/c spot with him is because he can't transfer to his wheelchair and vice versa in a regular spot because most times we can't get the chair in beside the car seat and that then means we have to lift him out rather then him sliding himself over to his chair. He is 19 and isn't a lightweight so seeing a h/c spot being used by someone who doesn't have a card, or is abusing someone's else's card or is just parking there because heck they are just running into the store super quick or because hey there is a lot of h/c spots just makes me see red and makes my blood boil. Whether you have a temporary need for the spot or a permanent disability using a spot with out a placard is just wrong and I don't care if there is 50 h/c spots!!
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Post by Florida Cindy on Jul 26, 2014 11:11:00 GMT
Although I don't have a handicapped place card, I try to shop at my local stores when there are few people in the store. Parking spots are closer to the store. It's also easier to navigate the store on painful fibro days.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 11:45:40 GMT
My brother is a quadriplegic and gets driven around in a van with a wheelchair lift. There are barely enough spots available for his needs as it is. It's impossible for the van to park in a normal spot because then you can't get the door opened for the lift to go out. And for him, not only is it inconvenient having to park elsewhere, but dangerous. Sitting in the chair he is about the height of my 9 yr old making it difficult to see him in the parking lot.
I know you were asking an innocent question, but please, don't let your temporary disability get in the way of someone who has a permanent disability. Go get a legal tag if you need to park there. All handicapped parkers had to go through the legal hoops to get that special spot. I see no reason why you think you don't have to.
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Post by purplebee on Jul 26, 2014 11:46:37 GMT
I understand why people are upset with others using spots they do not have the right to use, I really, really do. My father has a placard due to injuries from his time in the war. But I keep seeing posts about her taking a spot that someone else could use, and I can't help but think that technically, she has the need now, she just does not have her placard yet. Now, I definitely think she should get the placard. But I think that her need will be no different once she has it than it is now. She'll just be legally able to use the spot. So as soon as she has the placard, she can go right ahead and use that spot that someone else may need, and no one should be upset with her. I don't know if I'm explaining myself well. I think some of the responses here are more what I would expect to see given to someone who takes a spot because it's raining, or they're tired, or they have 3 kids with them, or they just need one thing, etc. I guess that basically I think that she has already been told that she is "deserving" of those spots, but the red tape involved is preventing her from using them, which stinks. It seems there should be a way to make it quicker for people to get temporary tags. I'm all for reading someone the riot act if they use those spots willy nilly, but I feel for the OP. It sucks to have the need for the spot but no legal way to use it yet. Well said, Melanell. Folks seem to losing sight of the fact that OP is legitimately handicapped by her injury. Yes, Op, you should apply for the tag. But in my mind there is no question that you are entitled to use a handicap spot. I would be much more inclined to cut you a bit of slack if I saw you using one w/o the placard. I hope you heal quickly and find a solution to using (or not using) those darn crutches. And btw, I am familiar with the agita of trying to park in the too few handicap spots. BFF has MS and has been in a wheelchair for the past 3 years. Helping her find a handicap bathroom stall is another issue....
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Post by phoenixcov on Jul 26, 2014 11:57:49 GMT
Disabled parking in the UK is a farce. Every time I go shopping I see non-disabled people illegally parking and practically running into the shop. I used to say something but it can get ugly so for the sake of my blood pressure I just give them the evil eye instead. Disabled street parking without a blue badge will incur the wrath of traffic wardens nothing is done about parking in a store car park. I don`t use a wheelchair at the moment but that will come sooner rather than later.
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Post by Country Ham on Jul 26, 2014 12:01:56 GMT
I use our churches handicapped parking at times. It's not quite properly labeled I don't think anyhow. Just a faded symbol on the pavement with no sign. Either way it's when I pick up this disabled lady. She has a wheel chair for long distances, and a walker for short. When I pick her up for church she finds it easier to use no aides because she gets out of my van, walks up the ramp holding on to the rails for dear life, gets so short winded she scares us, then plops herself in the first seat inside. I could still get ticketed because I don't have a thing on my windshield. Will I get ticketed? No. The chief of police attends our church and would deal with it for me. Actually so do a couple of on duty uniformed cops too. We have one other, sometimes comes, wheelchair bound person. He parks on the side of the building. He feels since he is in an electric wheelchair he doesn't need to be close to the building. (his wheelchair thing is on the on the back of his truck so he doesn't need that wide parking space that gives room for someone exiting a chair out the side of a van).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 14:15:36 GMT
What a shitty thread; threats of personal injury or property damage if you don't have a placard (never mind your leg cast you tacky, whiny B - just hobble through the parking lot already!), the 'my kid/my brother is more disabled than your kid/your brother or you!' thing, and of course then there's sister barbecue who'd trip your not-so-disabled ass, take you to task, and call the popo. Unless, of course, you've got your placard in which case she'll open the door for you, help you reach high canned goods, and put your disabled gear back into your car for you. Because she's a 'defender of the disabled'. If you have a placard.
Anyway, OP, you've handled it all gracefully. Well done.
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Post by BeckyTech on Jul 26, 2014 14:38:09 GMT
. Plus, at least in this area the tag has a registration number that must match the car registration and they do check. What has led to this was the abuse of the system. People would "share" the placards. I always loved to see the jacked up pick-up trucks with giant wheels which you need a step ladder to get in or out parked in the handicapped spots. Here the placard is on the person, not the car. You carry a card in your wallet with a number that matches the placard. That way you can ride with someone else and still use your placard. And how do you know those jacked up pickup trucks didn't have a passenger that needed the handicapped spots? My Dad had serious heart disease and couldn't walk far, but no obvious physical limitations.
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Post by melanell on Jul 26, 2014 14:43:21 GMT
This is why my MIL has a placard as well. She looks perfectly fine & dandy physically, though. And she did forget her placard at least once that I am aware of in the very beginning. It was in her center console, but she didn't hang it on the mirror.
I was with her, and I forgot as well. I realized it as we were walking back to the vehicle. I'm so glad no one decided to say or do anything cruel towards her.
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Post by whipea on Jul 26, 2014 14:54:01 GMT
. Plus, at least in this area the tag has a registration number that must match the car registration and they do check. What has led to this was the abuse of the system. People would "share" the placards. I always loved to see the jacked up pick-up trucks with giant wheels which you need a step ladder to get in or out parked in the handicapped spots. Here the placard is on the person, not the car. You carry a card in your wallet with a number that matches the placard. That way you can ride with someone else and still use your placard. And how do you know those jacked up pickup trucks didn't have a passenger that needed the handicapped spots? My Dad had serious heart disease and couldn't walk far, but no obvious physical limitations. You are absolutely correct, sometimes there are conditions but no obvious physical limitations. My apologies if I offended anyone. The instances I am referring to is on a few occasions I have seen the people hop out giant four wheel drive vehicles and literately run into the store.
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Post by MaryC on Jul 26, 2014 15:21:43 GMT
You do realize that some vehicles have handicapped / disabled driver license plates, which are just as valid as a placard for parking in a h/c spot? I've had people "call" me on not having a placard hanging, completely ignoring the fact that I'm physically in a wheelchair and the wheelchair symbol and disabled driver logos on both front and back license plates. None of them were in the least bit apologetic and a couple acted as though they were personally offended that I didn't use a hanging placard to prove I was entitled to the spot. There's a thin line between righteous indignation and plain old self-righteous, and those people were definitely in the second category.
I do have a placard for when I'm riding with someone else, but since I drive a vehicle with adaptive controls and seating, it is designated on my driving license and on my plates.
Before anyone jumps on somebody for parking without a placard, please take a moment to check the license plate too.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 15:26:06 GMT
You do realize that some vehicles have handicapped / disabled driver license plates, which are just as valid as a placard for parking in a h/c spot? I've had people "call" me on not having a placard hanging, completely ignoring the fact that I'm physically in a wheelchair and the wheelchair symbol and disabled driver logos on both front and back license plates. None of them were in the least bit apologetic and a couple acted as though they were personally offended that I didn't use a hanging placard to prove I was entitled to the spot. There's a thin line between righteous indignation and plain old self-righteous, and those people were definitely in the second category. I do have a placard for when I'm riding with someone else, but since I drive a vehicle with adaptive controls and seating, it is designated on my driving license and on my plates. Before anyone jumps on somebody for parking without a placard, please take a moment to check the license plate too. Or before you key someone's car for not having a hanging placard...check their plates.
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Post by dawndoll on Jul 26, 2014 16:17:39 GMT
For the record: I would never key someone's car for any reason. But, it has happened here in our town. The 'victim' didn't get much sympathy as it was a younger gal who just had to run in for a second and used the spot for convenience. Also, I don't think anyone is arguing the OP's right to park there. She just doesn't want to go through the hassle of getting the proper authorization to park there. Well, those that did get the placards had to go through it too so if she wants to park there she simply has to do the same thing. Why would she feel that the rules don't apply to her just like they do to every other disabled person, temporary or permanent?
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