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Post by scrapmaven on Feb 5, 2016 0:22:37 GMT
Am I completely stupid or is buying a cell phone w/the new plans more like rocket science? I can buy a phone outright on Amazon or pay a monthly fee to my cell phone carrier in a lease-sort of situation. I don't want to spend $700 on a phone, but I want a good phone. Then again, I can't see paying $20 per month for years just so that I can text my BFF and go apechips on some furious birdies. I spent all night last night trying to figure out which way was cheaper in the long run. Who else has recently upgraded or purchased a new phone and was it a big deal to figure out what to do?
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Post by my3freaks on Feb 5, 2016 0:30:56 GMT
I haven't changed carriers, but did upgrade one line on ours last June. I got the phone for $1 (a Samsung S5), so a nice phone, but I get annoyed at the whole thing every month when I pay our bill. $280.00/month to Verizon is painful!
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Post by annabella on Feb 5, 2016 0:35:21 GMT
I bought a new iphone last year. I went to the Apple store so they would set up correctly for me. I told him which carrier I wanted, Verizon, so they linked my plan in and I think I paid $300 for the phone which includes the $100 insurance. I have a 2 year plan.
I asked around and everyone told me to buy my phone from apple. I do feel paying $85 a month for it is obscene. I use very little data because I only use my apps when connected to wifi. I hold off emailing pics or downloading documents until I'm connected to wifi. I never open Instagram unless I'm connected to wifi. I don't surf the web when I'm bored outside waiting because there's no wifi. So I only use about 1GB a month.
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Post by AN on Feb 5, 2016 0:37:21 GMT
Yes, I did a spreadsheet to figure out which plan and if buying subsidized or unsubsidized made more sense financially for me, especially since 80% of my monthly service is paid for by my company but none of the phone purchase price.
There were some intense formulas in that spreadsheet, let me tell you.
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Post by scrapmaven on Feb 5, 2016 0:41:16 GMT
Yes, I did a spreadsheet to figure out which plan and if buying subsidized or unsubsidized made more sense financially for me, especially since 80% of my monthly service is paid for by my company but none of the phone purchase price. There were some intense formulas in that spreadsheet, let me tell you. It felt like I was doing algebra!
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Post by cindyupnorth on Feb 5, 2016 0:41:39 GMT
Did you see my prev thread on cellphone plans? I'm right there with ya!!
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Post by scrapmaven on Feb 5, 2016 0:42:19 GMT
Did you see my prev thread on cellphone plans? I'm right there with ya!! Off to find it now.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Feb 5, 2016 1:02:43 GMT
Unfortunately those of you that got that upgrade in the last few yrs..with the 1$ phone. They are gone. So be prepared for a rude awakening when you want to upgrade or get a different phone. It sucks!!
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Post by georgiapea on Feb 5, 2016 1:16:03 GMT
Yes, it's the pits, these days. I ordered a phone from Amazon. Didn't like it and sent it back. Ordered 2nd phone, same result. Finally I paid $400.00 for another Samsung Galaxy Mega 6.3. It was set for another country! Had a 24 hour clock and celsius, neither of which I speak. But I wasn't going to send back a 3rd phone and the AT&T store changed the settings for me.
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Post by melissa on Feb 5, 2016 1:21:06 GMT
The least expensive way is to buy your phone outright and a non contract plan.
Don't buy the newest phone. Get the previous model. The newest phone will always carry new premium, making it much more expensive. Look at your usual usage. For ex, I had a contract plan that gave me 1000 min a month. I never used more than 250 min. A monthly plan with unlimited data, unlimited text and 300 min worked the best for me. I will never go back to a contract. Have been doing this for nearly 10 years now.
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 5, 2016 1:25:56 GMT
Oh, it's the worst. I just bought one after many months of procrastinating. And my bill has gone up-of course. But I do love my phone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 1:54:48 GMT
I just upgraded last year and while it was subsidized my 6+ cost $$$.
I used bonus money to pay for it and justify it. Just yesterday I found myself thinking that I may be over having a cell phone. Period. Rarely are the calls I get so urgent that it couldn't wait until I was at home where we still have a land line. I work from home so 90% of the time that's where you can find me. I spend too much time doing unproductive things on my phone. All which could be done on my tablet or laptop.
It would be an interesting experiment.
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Post by its me mg on Feb 5, 2016 4:43:17 GMT
Look and see if Project Fi is in your area. It's Google's cell phone service and it's phenomenal and reasonably priced.
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Post by Scrapbrat on Feb 5, 2016 12:33:14 GMT
There are actually several articles out there that do the math for you -- it's been shown consistently that buying the phone outright and then just paying for service with a no-contract carrier is the overall cheapest option. It doesn't save you a million dollars, but even with the newest phone, it's still less. However, a lot of people just can't pay the full amount for an expensive phone upfront. I'm not sure about other no-contract carriers, but Virgin Mobile lets you buy the phone and then pay for it monthly. You pay $20/month until the full price of the phone is paid. This is NOT a lease, though, and there is no contract. Once the phone is paid off, your monthly bill drops. We have used VM for years.
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Post by grinningcat on Feb 5, 2016 14:30:00 GMT
I didn't even consider buying my phone outright, I immediately went with the cost rolled into the monthly bill. To be honest, I'm not sure why I would want to do that, it doesn't seem to make a difference for me and the minimal savings don't trump the convenience of paying monthly. We in Canada have some of the most expensive plans in the world, so I just went in with what I needed or wanted, knew how much I wanted to spend a month and chose the appropriate plan. I don't know, maybe I should have paid more attention and did more research but I guess I didn't see the value of spending that time when I knew it would come down to one of four plans.
To be honest, to save yourself the grief you're experiencing, just walk in and get a phone and call it a day.
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Post by melissa on Feb 5, 2016 15:33:41 GMT
LOL. Minimal savings? Must be a Canadian thing. In the US, you are not only paying for the phone, you are paying interest when you roll the cost into monthly fees, so the phone is even more expensive. I have to wonder why someone would make that choice if they had the money in the bank. But, you don't have much flexibility it sounds like when it comes to plans. We have 10000 carriers to chose from, it seems. Not quite, but that's what it feels like. I actually pay $25 a month for my 300 minutes, unlimited texting and unlimited data. The data speed does slow down once I use a certain amount. That happens to me once or twice a year, generally just a few days before the start of the month. I have this cheapo rate because I have not bought a phone in over 6 years. Dd has a newer phone and we pay $40 a month for unlimited talk, text and data. My rate will go up to that once I buy a new phone. This is all with Virgin Mobile. Dh had T-mobile in the past. They offer similar plans, but I think they are a bit more expensive.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Feb 5, 2016 17:59:20 GMT
I didn't even consider buying my phone outright, I immediately went with the cost rolled into the monthly bill. To be honest, I'm not sure why I would want to do that, it doesn't seem to make a difference for me and the minimal savings don't trump the convenience of paying monthly. Ah...it's quite a bit of money. I guess if you are rich, it's minimal. But I think it's like 200-300$ difference. That's worth it to me. But maybe in Canada it's different?
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Post by grinningcat on Feb 5, 2016 18:02:59 GMT
I didn't even consider buying my phone outright, I immediately went with the cost rolled into the monthly bill. To be honest, I'm not sure why I would want to do that, it doesn't seem to make a difference for me and the minimal savings don't trump the convenience of paying monthly. Ah...it's quite a bit of money. I guess if you are rich, it's minimal. But I think it's like 200-300$ difference. That's worth it to me. But maybe in Canada it's different? I am not rich by any measure, so I don't know. I have honestly never considered nor even thought about doing the math to compare buying outright versus just signing the two year deals the carriers have. As far as I can tell when I look at my plan, all they do is deduct x amount from the balance owing on the phone and that amount is a part of the monthly balance for the package (data, phone, etc). Is that not how it's done in the States. That said, (to my knowledge) I don't know a single person who has bought their phone outright. Maybe the work phones are purchased by the company outright but those I have talked to about this all do the carrier plan where they pay x dollars for the phone and then pay a balance.
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Post by AN on Feb 5, 2016 18:32:27 GMT
LOL. Minimal savings? Must be a Canadian thing. In the US, you are not only paying for the phone, you are paying interest when you roll the cost into monthly fees, so the phone is even more expensive. I have to wonder why someone would make that choice if they had the money in the bank. But, you don't have much flexibility it sounds like when it comes to plans. We have 10000 carriers to chose from, it seems. Not quite, but that's what it feels like. I actually pay $25 a month for my 300 minutes, unlimited texting and unlimited data. The data speed does slow down once I use a certain amount. That happens to me once or twice a year, generally just a few days before the start of the month. I have this cheapo rate because I have not bought a phone in over 6 years. Dd has a newer phone and we pay $40 a month for unlimited talk, text and data. My rate will go up to that once I buy a new phone. This is all with Virgin Mobile. Dh had T-mobile in the past. They offer similar plans, but I think they are a bit more expensive. When I purchased 10 months ago with Verizon, the options were something like (these numbers are wrong but as an example): - Pay $680 for the phone, no contract, $60 a month for service - Pay $200 for the phone, 2 year contract, $80 a month for service (nothing owed for phone if you break contract but there is a fee to break the contract) - Pay nothing up front for the phone, no contract, $60 a month for service, and $28 added on per month as a separate charge for the phone for the next 2 years (you owe the balance on the phone if you change carriers) Because of my reimbursement from work, the more expensive service with the subsidized phone made more personal sense for me. I wouldn't be able to expense any of the "monthly portion" for the phone, or if I paid for the phone outright with no contract and lower cost per month. I knew I wanted to stay with Verizon for 2 years because I've switched around and they have by far the best service in the areas I go. Also - for me, my phone is a work tool (even though I pay for the hardware myself). I easily talk 4000+ minutes a month, use it with a headset and in the car, text almost constantly, and write a lot of emails on it, use it for certain work apps, etc. Since I will keep it at least 2 years, having the latest model when I do upgrade is totally worth it to me. Also, the re-sale on it after that time is much better if I have the 2-year-old version versus the 3-year-old version, so I actually didn't even end up out that much. All that to say -- the one size fits all answer doesn't work for everyone. Cost isn't the only factor for many people - Virgin Mobile service is horrible in an area we travel to regularly (so was T-Mobile). Cell service and a phone is something I buy on value, not only on cost. It depends on what you use your phone for, how you budget, how long you keep the phone, if you want to re-sell it or hand it down to someone, if there are any promotions going that offer a discount on service if you buy a certain way, if you have a grandfathered plan (unlimited data) you want to keep, etc. Buying refurbished phones can be a great option if you are not necessarily a heavy user. It really is amazing how much the structure of cellular service has changed, and it is still changing! I think a couple months after I got my current contract, Verizon announced they were doing away completely with the contracts and subsidized phones. It would have made the choice more simple, but still more than one thing to take into account. There also was no interest on the pay-per-month options I looked at with both Verizon and T-Mobile.
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Post by gottapeanow on Feb 5, 2016 19:21:16 GMT
I need a new phone as well. And my kids' contracts are expiring soon.
I have decided to just call Verizon, my current carrier, when I have time and haggle with them instead of switching carriers.
To echo AN ^^^, they do not charge interest when you buy a phone and pay by the month. However, you can likely find a phone for less than what they charge and instead buy it outright.
For example, the Samsung S6 is $576.00 through Verizon and $459.00 through Amazon. Even so, it would make me really nervous to buy it through Amazon and take it to Verizon for them to set it up. What if there's a problem with the phone? I usually buy insurance on mine. What if the phone doesn't really work with Verizon's service?
While the $117.00 savings is great, to me, it's not worth the hassle. I want my cellphone for convenience and the extra work involved negates the price savings.
Lisa
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Post by scrapmaven on Feb 5, 2016 19:47:48 GMT
For example, the Samsung S6 is $576.00 through Verizon and $459.00 through Amazon. Even so, it would make me really nervous to buy it through Amazon and take it to Verizon for them to set it up. What if there's a problem with the phone? I usually buy insurance on mine. What if the phone doesn't really work with Verizon's service? We have purchased 2 non-samsung/Apple phones via Amazon and had very good luck. If I buy outright it will be via Amazon. I am limited to one carrier, because dh's company has a discount w/them.
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Post by melissa on Feb 5, 2016 20:07:08 GMT
They may not charge interest but you are effectively paying more in the end. Cell phone companies are counting on you to NOT do the math! I guess I am just too frugal for that. I do not lease cars. I've only had a car payment once and that was a 0 down, 0% interest car load on the only brand new car I've ever owned. I don't have cable or satellite TV. I don't run a balance on my credit cards (either of them). Just as I won't buy a brand new car that is going to depreciate the moment I drive it off the lot, I'm not going to buy the latest and greatest of just about anything. It's the same for my dSLR and the same for my phone. I suppose because I've never had the latest and greatest phone, I do not feel the need to spend the extra money to own one. I spent less than $250 on my phone 6 years ago and have spent $300 per year on my cell service. I would wager that many people do not have the option of having their company pay for all or some of their cell phone, just like many people do not have the option of their employer paying for their car lease. Some do, but I doubt that is the case for the majority of people.
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Post by AN on Feb 5, 2016 20:17:02 GMT
They may not charge interest but you are effectively paying more in the end. Cell phone companies are counting on you to NOT do the math! I guess I am just too frugal for that. I do not lease cars. I've only had a car payment once and that was a 0 down, 0% interest car load on the only brand new car I've ever owned. I don't have cable or satellite TV. I don't run a balance on my credit cards (either of them). Just as I won't buy a brand new car that is going to depreciate the moment I drive it off the lot, I'm not going to buy the latest and greatest of just about anything. It's the same for my dSLR and the same for my phone. I suppose because I've never had the latest and greatest phone, I do not feel the need to spend the extra money to own one. I spent less than $250 on my phone 6 years ago and have spent $300 per year on my cell service. I would wager that many people do not have the option of having their company pay for all or some of their cell phone, just like many people do not have the option of their employer paying for their car lease. Some do, but I doubt that is the case for the majority of people. It must just depend on the company. I did the math (aforementioned spreadsheet), and the ones on Verizon I looked at were exactly the same price (within $2 just because of rounding), just spread out over 24 months. No interest or up charge. I'm assuming it's a retention strategy because you'd have to pay a big chunk at once to switch. Now, that very well may have changed in the last 10 months and the cost over 24 months is higher than the up front cost. But at the time I looked, it was the same. I also don't lease or do loans, so I totally agree with you in the principles. Just saying, as someone who actually has done the math recently, I'm not sure that what you're saying is always true and also acknowledging that there is "value" for some people in a higher cost option. And I'm a tightwad. LOL
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Post by melissa on Feb 5, 2016 20:21:49 GMT
LOL!
Glad to see that has changed. Phones used to be more expensive through Verizon or AT+T than elsewhere.
Of course some find value in the latest and greatest phones... cars too! When I look around, I am surprised at the number of 60K and up cars that people drive. I hope they see value in that because that is just a ton of money that I'd rather put away for retirement! I know I don't want to work forever and I hope I don't have to. Oy! Especially my job which entails too many sleepless nights.
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Post by Meri-Lyn on Feb 5, 2016 20:29:41 GMT
They may not charge interest but you are effectively paying more in the end. Cell phone companies are counting on you to NOT do the math! I guess I am just too frugal for that. I do not lease cars. I've only had a car payment once and that was a 0 down, 0% interest car load on the only brand new car I've ever owned. I don't have cable or satellite TV. I don't run a balance on my credit cards (either of them). Just as I won't buy a brand new car that is going to depreciate the moment I drive it off the lot, I'm not going to buy the latest and greatest of just about anything. It's the same for my dSLR and the same for my phone. I suppose because I've never had the latest and greatest phone, I do not feel the need to spend the extra money to own one. I spent less than $250 on my phone 6 years ago and have spent $300 per year on my cell service. I would wager that many people do not have the option of having their company pay for all or some of their cell phone, just like many people do not have the option of their employer paying for their car lease. Some do, but I doubt that is the case for the majority of people. It must just depend on the company. I did the math (aforementioned spreadsheet), and the ones on Verizon I looked at were exactly the same price (within $2 just because of rounding), just spread out over 24 months. No interest or up charge. I'm assuming it's a retention strategy because you'd have to pay a big chunk at once to switch. Now, that very well may have changed in the last 10 months and the cost over 24 months is higher than the up front cost. But at the time I looked, it was the same. I also don't lease or do loans, so I totally agree with you in the principles. Just saying, as someone who actually has done the math recently, I'm not sure that what you're saying is always true and also acknowledging that there is "value" for some people in a higher cost option. And I'm a tightwad. LOL I just got my S6 the beginning of January. It was the same deal. Just the purchase price divided by 24, no higher. I also got into a better plan, and the net expense actually lowered my bill about $15. That was with Verizon.
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Post by melissa on Feb 5, 2016 20:56:29 GMT
So not paying more for the phone, but are you paying more than you could be for the actual service? Back in the days when dinosaurs roamed the planet, I never "paid" for my phones. They were "free," or at least I selected the phone that did not carry an additional charge. I think those flashy flip phones had an extra charge. I had my first cell phone contract probably in 1993. When I finally changed from a contract phone to a monthly service, I actually dropped the contract even though I had 2 months to go. The from switching to buying a phone and going month to month made it worthwhile. Seemed unbelievable at the time! What is also weird to me is that I cannot break this phone. I did once have an issue with the slot where the charger gets plugged in and a nice boy fixed it for me. I admit the real reason I keep this phone is not just the $25 a month, it is the free hotspot! They now charge $5 a day for that and mine is free. I hear about people cracking Iphone screens on a daily basis it seems. I've dropped mine on concrete, on the driveway, on the marble floor, etc. It won't die. I am ambivalent about that because I love the mobile hotspot for free and, well, I will have to go up to the $40 monthly plan because the $25 plan is tied to this phone.
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Post by perumbula on Feb 5, 2016 21:08:40 GMT
We bought our phones outright and took them to the carrier. It is often cheaper to get a phone through a third party than to buy one at the phone store. I adore my Nokia 930 and I paid $120 for it. The $120 phone at the phone store is barely a smart phone and not even a brand name I recognized. (Yes, it's a Windows phone. I like it.) The other members of my family found used phones for really good prices at a store we trusted.
If you do decide to buy from someone other than your phone store, make sure that you are buying a phone that accesses the right network for your carrier. You'll need to know whether your carrier is GSM or CDMA before you buy.
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Post by theshyone on Feb 5, 2016 21:19:09 GMT
I didn't even consider buying my phone outright, I immediately went with the cost rolled into the monthly bill. To be honest, I'm not sure why I would want to do that, it doesn't seem to make a difference for me and the minimal savings don't trump the convenience of paying monthly. Ah...it's quite a bit of money. I guess if you are rich, it's minimal. But I think it's like 200-300$ difference. That's worth it to me. But maybe in Canada it's different? Canada changed everything over the last 6 months to a year. Something to do with lawsuits, the crtc, the crookedness of it all. I'm not looking forward to shopping some time in the future either.
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Post by AN on Feb 5, 2016 22:02:00 GMT
So not paying more for the phone, but are you paying more than you could be for the actual service? No, the service price was the same at Verizon whether you went with paying up front or paying over 24 months. I think there was even some incentive to get you to do the 24 months, because again, they want the retention. The only way the service price was increased when I was shopping was if you got a subsidized phone on a contract.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Feb 6, 2016 0:48:42 GMT
AN, it has been since the 1st of the yr that A LOT has changed with the phone services and contracts. All the phone co's are really pushing for you to out right buy the phones, vs the installment plans. If you add up what you pay in installment, vs a flat out fee for your phone, the flat out fee is cheaper. BUT a lot of us can not afford this. So we end up with the installments, and paying more. With the one phone I figured it out, and it wasn't even the lastest and greatest, it was about 100$ more.
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