ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Feb 5, 2016 17:09:32 GMT
and i sure didn't expect it
I was friends with Mike all thru high school - he was probably my closest, best friend
I joined the Army and left my high school town - over the course of four years i'd visit a couple times of year - and we'd reconnect
I ended up married and living in Missouri - the only trips home after that were for holidays with my family
we fell out of touch - i didn't make much effort to keep in touch and neither did he
Along comes myspace and then facebook and we become 'friends' - once in a while commenting on photos or sending birthday wishes
i am sure many of you have had the same sort of relationships
I did stay in constant contact - thru all these years with one friend -this friend michael told me that mike has terminal brain cancer
they are and have been good friends this whole time
michael told mike that he told me about his diagnosis
mike told michael he wasn't interested in hearing from me - that if we hadn't been friends all these years there was no reason for him to hear from me now
I can understand his point - but it's sure a punch in the gut
but i think i understand that talking to him would probably only work to assuage any guilt i might have had from not working harder to stay in touch
and he's probably concentrating all his time on friend's that really matter
i think it's just hard to hear that someone finds me insignificant
I'm not sure why i am telling you all this - i think i just needed to type it out
i'm not mad - i understand - i do regret falling out of touch -
i guess that's it
gina
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Post by peano on Feb 5, 2016 17:19:04 GMT
Honestly Gina, it sounds like it is about him, not you. I obviously don't know him, but he could be terrified and angry about his diagnosis; he could not want to talk to you because he doesn't know how/is afraid to say goodbye, or even talk about the things people want to talk about when they're preparing to leave this world.
I wouldn't give up on him and if it were I, I would continue to make an effort, through written notes, etc. Let him know you're thinking about him, let him know how much your friendship has meant.
I'm sorry you're going through this.
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bandjmom
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Post by bandjmom on Feb 5, 2016 17:21:16 GMT
I'm sorry for your friend's diagnosis and the message you received. I understand -- your feelings and his.
I've been trying to follow through on all those " we need to get together" thoughts and conversations. It's difficult. I wish my friends and family could know how often I think about them.
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Post by CarefreeSadie on Feb 5, 2016 17:22:10 GMT
Perhaps you could be there for Michael who you have been in touch with this entire time. I am sure he is feeling off kilter that his good friend Mike is having such a hard time. I don't think that Mike is saying you are insignificant, he is saying that at this time in his life (time that would seem limited) he doesn't care to reconnect with someone who he hasn't reconnected with through the years. Finding out someone you were once upon a time friends with is very ill is shocking and takes a little time to accept. I think most people's first thoughts are to "help" in some way because of the past history. That is not always possible and sometimes one just has to accept that your help isn't needed, even though that is hard to accept.
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Post by mikklynn on Feb 5, 2016 17:29:22 GMT
I'm sorry. I have no advice, just sympathy.
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MDscrapaholic
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Jun 25, 2014 20:49:07 GMT
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Feb 5, 2016 17:50:00 GMT
My husband said the same thing about several family members that reached out to him after he got sick. He told me they weren't interested in him when he was well so why now? Of course he was upset about being terminally ill but still, I thought that was no way to act. I had to take it in stride and accept that he was feeling this way. He has a right to his feelings and we just had to deal with it. Luckily, none of those family members lived close enough to visit, I don't know what would have happened if they just dropped by. ginacivey , I don't know what to tell you except maybe you should respect his wishes. It's a tough situation all the way around.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 18:01:24 GMT
so, going forward what will you do about old friendships that are no basically none existent? It seems to me we all have a limit to how many people we can keep in meaningful contact. While you feel insignificant now how big can your circle of meaningful friendship really be so you don't feel insignificant in the future, or make someone feel insignificant in your every day life.
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Post by KelleeM on Feb 5, 2016 18:02:51 GMT
I'm sorry. I have no wise words....I wish I did.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 5, 2016 18:27:10 GMT
I doubt he feels you are insignificant, but really only has so much time & energy left to give to family & friends. There is no priority on rekindling old friendships.
{{hugs}}
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Feb 5, 2016 18:32:34 GMT
i appreciate the fact that so many of you took the time to read...and then respond
i appreciate the insight
i thought maybe i'd send a note telling him how much his friendship meant to me
but maybe i should just completely leave it alone - maybe that's the best thing i can do for him
gina
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Post by drawkcab on Feb 5, 2016 18:34:39 GMT
I'm really sorry your friend feels this way, and he has cancer. Cancer sucks.... As a pp said, it's about him, not you.
People confuse me at times. I was with a friend a few weeks ago, someone I'd known for maybe 10 years and he tells me I'm an acquaintance, not a friend. I didn't ask why, just let him talk. At first it really bugged me, but since then, I realized he and I view friends differently. I want more substance and with that comment, I'll probably not engage or extend invitations as I have in the past.
Hugs to you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 18:36:03 GMT
I think there might be something about a terminal or serious illness that triggers that type of response. When my mom became ill, there was a very stubborn "if they didn't care when I was alive, I don't want them to care now" feeling. I think that it's part of the grieving process of a terminal illness for some people.
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Feb 5, 2016 18:36:15 GMT
so, going forward what will you do about old friendships that are no basically none existent? It seems to me we all have a limit to how many people we can keep in meaningful contact. While you feel insignificant now how big can your circle of meaningful friendship really be so you don't feel insignificant in the future, or make someone feel insignificant in your every day life. this is a really good question and this whole situation really has me thinking about friendships in general sometimes we out grow each other - sometimes we are just too far apart logistically gina
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2016 18:40:48 GMT
I can understand how he feels. I think I would feel the same way. Its not because you did anything wrong. But I would be fine with getting a note from you.
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Post by Linda on Feb 5, 2016 18:43:57 GMT
prayers for Mike
I'm sorry
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Post by annabella on Feb 5, 2016 18:49:56 GMT
You should still reach out to him. He's angry you didn't keep up your friendship, and that bothers him because he valued it so much. So he just made a snippy remark because of it. That doesn't mean you disappear, you should do the opposite.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Feb 5, 2016 18:50:08 GMT
i appreciate the fact that so many of you took the time to read...and then respond i appreciate the insight i thought maybe i'd send a note telling him how much his friendship meant to mebut maybe i should just completely leave it alone - maybe that's the best thing i can do for him gina I was thinking a note would be good, but I don't know since I've never been in that situation.
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ginacivey
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Post by ginacivey on Feb 5, 2016 19:17:55 GMT
i think i'm going to write a note
i'll wait a few days so that i am not clouded by all this turmoil i feel in my heart
after it's sent - it's up to him
i hope he will understand my intent
gina
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Post by anonrefugee on Feb 5, 2016 19:27:14 GMT
I think there might be something about a terminal or serious illness that triggers that type of response. When my mom became ill, there was a very stubborn "if they didn't care when I was alive, I don't want them to care now" feeling. I think that it's part of the grieving process of a terminal illness for some people. I had a friend do a version of this. With limited time she wanted to focus on those that meant the most to her, and she to them. those beyond that circle took too much time and energy. I think it would be nice to send a card, but don't expect a reply. And I'd keep it light
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tanya2
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Post by tanya2 on Feb 5, 2016 19:36:35 GMT
I would send a note too, and then the ball is in his court. But at least you reached out
I think hes just coming from a place of grief & anger also
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Post by valincal on Feb 5, 2016 19:40:22 GMT
So sorry. I'm sure he's experiencing a lot of anger and hurt due to his illness. I would reach out, regardless, without expectation. Take care.
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Post by hdoublej on Feb 5, 2016 19:48:39 GMT
i appreciate the fact that so many of you took the time to read...and then respond i appreciate the insight i thought maybe i'd send a note telling him how much his friendship meant to me but maybe i should just completely leave it alone - maybe that's the best thing i can do for him gina The way I see it, it's never a bad thing to tell people how much they mean to you. Is this something that you will regret if you don't do? Maybe that will help you answer how you should handle the situation. I wish I had some great words of wisdom for you!
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Post by jenb72 on Feb 5, 2016 19:58:53 GMT
I very recently lost one of my friends to melanoma. We were coworkers several years ago and became good friends - then I left that company and went to a new job. We stayed in touch by going to Archivers once a week (not religiously, but most weeks) and making cards together. Sometimes, if there wasn't enough time for cardmaking, we'd shop at Michael's or Target or go have dinner.
She was diagnosed a little less than two years ago. This was just before Archivers closed. We tried to continue in my basement, but because of her doctor visits and how the treatments left her feeling, it didn't happen as much. I tried to stay in touch with her, but I know she was terribly busy and not always feeling well, so it was difficult.
Back in April of last year, we managed to meet up for dinner and then a little shopping. She looked great. She said the treatments had worked and she was in remission. We laughed like we always did whenever we got together. That was the last time I saw her in person where she was conscious.
She texted me in July to see if I wanted to go to the scrapbook convention, but I was going to be out of town that weekend, so I couldn't go. That was the last time I talked to her where she understood what I said.
The 2nd week of Jan, I got an email and a FB message from one of her coworkers. This woman went to the trouble of tracking me down through an old email address my friend had in her computer so she could let me know that my friend was in hospice.
I texted her husband and he thankfully agreed to let me come see her. She was essentially already gone when I got there the next day. But I found out later from the same coworker that the only reason I got to see her at all was because she was no longer aware of her surroundings. Prior to that, she'd made her husband promise that only family would visit.
I say all that to say this - it's about him, not you. It doesn't mean he thinks your insignificant. It could mean that he doesn't want you to remember him this way. It could be that he's overwhelmed with people giving him pity and he doesn't want one more person to feel guilty about leaving behind.
I also understand your own guilt about not staying in touch. I feel it every day. I have to remind myself that there are all kinds of friends and that staying in touch is a two-way street. It wasn't like I wasn't returning her calls or emails - there were no emails or calls to return because she was as bad at keeping in touch as I was.
Be kind to yourself. You have to grieve just like everyone else, and in your own way.
Jen
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Post by Loydene on Feb 5, 2016 20:07:32 GMT
I can't say that I understand a terminal illness - but I do understand that it takes two people to maintain a long time friendship -- especially when it is separated by not only time but distance. You say that you are friends with Michael -- all through the same time and distance - but I'd be willing to bet that he made an effort to stay in touch with you as well.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 5, 2016 20:08:01 GMT
I think there might be something about a terminal or serious illness that triggers that type of response. When my mom became ill, there was a very stubborn "if they didn't care when I was alive, I don't want them to care now" feeling. I think that it's part of the grieving process of a terminal illness for some people. I had a friend do a version of this. With limited time she wanted to focus on those that meant the most to her, and she to them. those beyond that circle took too much time and energy. I think it would be nice to send a card, but don't expect a reply. And I'd keep it lighti agree with this. I'd send him a card letting him know I'm thinking of him and I wouldn't worry about hearing back from him. He has other things on his mind. Please don't take it personally. It's not so much a snub as it is a drawing-in for him.
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Post by knit.pea on Feb 5, 2016 20:50:08 GMT
His reaction could also be part of how his cancer is affecting him cognitively.
Can you send a light-hearted note, reminiscing about high school and some particularly funny events? Whatever you write, make it about him. Don't reference what the other friend told you.
It must be very shocking that he is so ill.
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Post by SnowWhite on Feb 5, 2016 20:54:16 GMT
You should still reach out to him. He's angry you didn't keep up your friendship, and that bothers him because he valued it so much. So he just made a snippy remark because of it. That doesn't mean you disappear, you should do the opposite. I disagree. My sister was pretty irritated at all the people who came out of the woodwork in the weeks leading up to her death. People she hadn't seen or heard from in years suddenly just ringing her doorbell and overstaying their welcome (well, let's be real, they weren't welcome, but her DH kept getting to the door before I did). If you want to send a card or a note as others suggested, feel free, but understand that you do it for yourself and not for him.
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Post by Sam on Feb 5, 2016 21:02:37 GMT
i appreciate the fact that so many of you took the time to read...and then respond i appreciate the insight i thought maybe i'd send a note telling him how much his friendship meant to mebut maybe i should just completely leave it alone - maybe that's the best thing i can do for him gina I was thinking a note would be good, but I don't know since I've never been in that situation. Personally, I would send my 'note' or 'message' through Michael so that he could choose the best time to deliver it. Mike is coping with an awful lot right now and his best friend can work out when is best to pass on well wishes, especially when you also say that you have become more distant as friends. I certainly wouldn't get in touch telling someone how much their friendship MEANT to you as you are already talking past tense and that is just crappy. You could say how much it MEANS to you and open up a whole new episode of him saying the same as he did.
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Post by peasapie on Feb 5, 2016 21:49:15 GMT
I'm also in favor of a note.
I dated a guy very seriously whom I later broke up with. A few years later, when he and I were both married to different people, he became terminally ill. I wanted to reach out to him when he was sick, but I felt it would be inappropriate and might upset his wife, so I stayed away from the hospital and didn't attend his funeral.
Looking back, I wish I had written a note just to let him know I was thinking of him. It didn't occur to me at the time and has always bothered me.
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Post by KiwiJo on Feb 5, 2016 21:58:45 GMT
................. i hope he will understand my intent gina I suggest that first you really need to try to understand your own intent. i think that often when we hear about something really difficult that an old friend/acquaintance is going through, we feel guilty that we didn't keep in touch more. As women, many of us want to care for others, nourish them, make them feel good; we feel empathy and sympathy for them. We may feel a bit guilty if we think we haven't been there for them when they may have needed us, or we could have helped. Then when the time comes when it might be too late, we want to show we care. But I think we need to understand if we are doing it for them, or for ourselves; if we truly believe it will ease their minds, or will it assuage our own guilt. Obviously I do not know either of you, so I may well have things entirely wrong in your situations, but it is something that I had to work my way through in my own life. I realised I was thinking about getting in touch so that I would feel better, and if my friend did too, then that was a bonus. Then I decided that was not a good enough reason to risk making my friend feel uncomfortable, and so I left it alone.
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