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quiltz
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Post by quiltz on Feb 6, 2016 19:13:34 GMT
That is so sad. I remember the days of the preparations for those Olympic games and know that it is a practice site.
Hopefully they will find the people that did this damage.
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Post by julieb on Feb 6, 2016 19:14:06 GMT
That's so sad and senseless. Kids think they are invincible.
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Post by Blind Squirrel on Feb 6, 2016 19:14:43 GMT
Very sad.
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Post by eleezybeth on Feb 6, 2016 19:19:57 GMT
How sad!!
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Post by Nanner on Feb 6, 2016 19:33:01 GMT
How terrible. I hadn't listened to any news yet today, so hadn't heard before now.
The cynic in me says that the families of the dead and injured boys will sue COP for not securing it enough. I hope that's not the case.
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Post by MsKnit on Feb 6, 2016 19:46:25 GMT
That is so sad. I remember the days of the preparations for those Olympic games and know that it is a practice site. Hopefully they will find the people that did this damage. That did what damage? There was no damage to the track. The gate was closed that separated sections of the track. The kids had no idea the gate was closed and were hurt from slamming into it. Thus they know who did it. I hope the facility isn't sued for the stupidity of these teens. Unfortunately, if they know people break into it (the mention that there is breaking in for the ski area), they have probably set themselves for a lawsuit. |
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Post by anonrefugee on Feb 6, 2016 19:54:44 GMT
I haven't read the article, because this kind of thing is my fear as a mom. Not on toboggan track for my sons, but on the lake or while camping, or even trying to race cars.
Nothing good actually comes from this kind of mistake. But I will remind my boys, again, that signs and rules are posted for a reason.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 19:55:22 GMT
I may be weird, but I don't see it as a "silly prank". I see it as trespassing and possibly breaking/entering if they had to go over closed gates/fences/walls. I am sad that the consequences of their actions was death/injury for anyone. But I won't excuse bad behavior of kids under a "silly prank". And no "not every kid does it".
It's sad that article seemed to think that the property owners have to put up walls/fences, have extra security guards etc to avoid the liability of people coming onto the property overnight. It will probably depend on prior incidents and if the owners should have expected this to happen.... there's a law that I am trying to remember about having a pool, trampoline etc where you KNOW other kids will try to get to and use even when on private property -- attractive nuisance doctrine. Not sure if that exists there.
I am sad for the families who now have to deal with the stupid decisions made.
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Post by valincal on Feb 6, 2016 20:17:07 GMT
I may be weird, but I don't see it as a "silly prank". I see it as trespassing and possibly breaking/entering if they had to go over closed gates/fences/walls. I am sad that the consequences of their actions was death/injury for anyone. But I won't excuse bad behavior of kids under a "silly prank". And no "not every kid does it". It's sad that article seemed to think that the property owners have to put up walls/fences, have extra security guards etc to avoid the liability of people coming onto the property overnight. It will probably depend on prior incidents and if the owners should have expected this to happen.... there's a law that I am trying to remember about having a pool, trampoline etc where you KNOW other kids will try to get to and use even when on private property -- attractive nuisance doctrine. Not sure if that exists there. I am sad for the families who now have to deal with the stupid decisions made. You're right..."silly prank" was not the best choice of words and I am definitely NOT excusing their behaviour. Not every kid does it, but many teenagers do not think about the consequences of their actions. I don't think the park owners are responsible in the least and I hope no lawsuits come from this. As anonrefugee stated, I will use this a cautionary tale for my own two sons, one of whom is skiing today and left the house with a stern warning not to go off of the marked runs. Sad for the families. |
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Post by MsKnit on Feb 6, 2016 20:17:54 GMT
I may be weird, but I don't see it as a "silly prank". I see it as trespassing and possibly breaking/entering if they had to go over closed gates/fences/walls. I am sad that the consequences of their actions was death/injury for anyone. But I won't excuse bad behavior of kids under a "silly prank". And no "not every kid does it". It's sad that article seemed to think that the property owners have to put up walls/fences, have extra security guards etc to avoid the liability of people coming onto the property overnight. It will probably depend on prior incidents and if the owners should have expected this to happen.... there's a law that I am trying to remember about having a pool, trampoline etc where you KNOW other kids will try to get to and use even when on private property -- attractive nuisance doctrine. Not sure if that exists there. I am sad for the families who now have to deal with the stupid decisions made. You are not weird. You see personal responsibility. I think those kids were responsible for their own choices, too. Their bad choices resulted in 2 of them dying. Others will say I am blaming the victim. Unfortunately, our society dismisses personal responsibility for being victimized. |
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Post by jenjie on Feb 6, 2016 20:18:25 GMT
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Post by my3freaks on Feb 6, 2016 20:19:28 GMT
How terrible. I hadn't listened to any news yet today, so hadn't heard before now. The cynic in me says that the families of the dead and injured boys will sue COP for not securing it enough. I hope that's not the case. It is tragic, and my heart breaks for the families that lost their kids, I believe, with every fiber of my being that no parent should have to bury their child. I also hope that IF any family tries to place blame for the accident anywhere but where it belongs, which is unfortunately, squarely on their own kids, that no lawyer will take the case. COP is not responsible for this, and shouldn't have to defend themselves. It's a tragedy for them too. |
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Post by Mary Kay Lady on Feb 6, 2016 20:24:18 GMT
How sad. Teen-ager just don't think. I'm so sorry for the families of those who died.
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Post by lucyg on Feb 6, 2016 20:31:19 GMT
Very sad story, and I agree, the kids themselves are to blame. But that doesn't make it any less tragic.
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Post by tiffanytwisted on Feb 6, 2016 20:31:23 GMT
That's so sad and senseless. Kids think they are invincible. Exactly this. And like others, I use these stories as cautionary tales for my boys, hoping some of what I say will sink in. We can all only hope. I pray for the families as they deal w/their loss and hope their grief doesn't spur them on to file a lawsuit. I agree - while it's a tragedy, it's no one's fault but those kids. Sad. |
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 6, 2016 21:43:11 GMT
How tragic.
As an adult, I see it as trespassing, stupid behavior. Unfortunately, teenage brains are not fully developed and don't always think through the consequences of their actions. I'm not excusing the behavior, just the reality of teenage brains. I wonder if some of the kids had ridden the track before and thought they knew what to expect, not knowing that gate would be closed. And was alcohol involved - with Alberta's drinking age being 18, I won't be surprised.
I can't imagine the poor first responders coming on this scene. Was one of the kids able to make the 911 call? It sounds like neighbors didn't hear anything.
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Post by Chips on Feb 7, 2016 0:02:29 GMT
So tragic and sad, my heart goes out to their parents.
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Post by scorpeao on Feb 7, 2016 0:11:41 GMT
How tragic. As an adult, I see it as trespassing, stupid behavior. Unfortunately, teenage brains are not fully developed and don't always think through the consequences of their actions. I'm not excusing the behavior, just the reality of teenage brains. I wonder if some of the kids had ridden the track before and thought they knew what to expect, not knowing that gate would be closed. And was alcohol involved - with Alberta's drinking age being 18, I won't be surprised. I can't imagine the poor first responders coming on this scene. Was one of the kids able to make the 911 call? It sounds like neighbors didn't hear anything. This. I was once one of those stupid teens. There are things that I did as a teen that didn't even register as stupid at the time, but in hindsight, as an adult? Let's just say I'm lucky to be alive. I can't tell you why I did foolish things either. I feel incredibly awful for those kids and their families, and while the kids are responsible for what happened, to say they deserved it because they made a foolish choice is reprehensible. |
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Post by 5peanutsnana on Feb 7, 2016 0:25:56 GMT
This is tragic no matter where you place the blame. Of course not all kids do this kind of thing. Heck, most kids don't do this. Unfortunately accidents like this will continue to happen.
We all like to think our kids and grands would have better judgement than this but I have been alive long enough to know it's not always the case. But for the grace of God, so go I.
There are many reasons but I think the most obvious one is that teenagers brains are not fully developed.
This is a quote from a mental health web site:
"It may seem logical that those aged 18 to 25 are completely mature, the brain still is maturing – specifically the area known as the “prefrontal cortex.” Changes occurring between ages 18 and 25 are essentially a continued process of brain development that started during puberty. When you’re 18, you’re roughly halfway through the entire stage of development. The prefrontal cortex doesn’t have nearly the functional capacity at age 18 as it does at 25.
"This means that some people may have major struggles with impulsive decisions and planning behavior to reach a goal. The brain’s reward system tends to reach a high level of activation during puberty, then gradually drifts back to normal activation when a person reaches roughly the age of 25. Adults over the age of 25 tend to feel less sensitive to the influence of peer pressure and have a much easier time handling it."
Yes, they were wrong and nothing is going to undo the tragedy. Hopefully there will be no lawsuits and it can be use as a teachable moment for many young people. Such a sad thing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 0:45:20 GMT
How tragic. As an adult, I see it as trespassing, stupid behavior. Unfortunately, teenage brains are not fully developed and don't always think through the consequences of their actions. I'm not excusing the behavior, just the reality of teenage brains. I wonder if some of the kids had ridden the track before and thought they knew what to expect, not knowing that gate would be closed. And was alcohol involved - with Alberta's drinking age being 18, I won't be surprised. I can't imagine the poor first responders coming on this scene. Was one of the kids able to make the 911 call? It sounds like neighbors didn't hear anything. This. I was once one of those stupid teens. There are things that I did as a teen that didn't even register as stupid at the time, but in hindsight, as an adult? Let's just say I'm lucky to be alive. I can't tell you why I did foolish things either. I feel incredibly awful for those kids and their families, and while the kids are responsible for what happened, to say they deserved it because they made a foolish choice is reprehensible. Nobody said that. |
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Post by luvnlifelady on Feb 7, 2016 0:54:21 GMT
Wow sorry to read about that! Darn kids think they're just having fun and don't realize the permanence of their decisions! Prayers for the families.
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Post by anniefb on Feb 7, 2016 1:14:20 GMT
That's so sad and senseless. Kids think they are invincible.  We had a situation here recently where 2 kids were joyriding, crashed into an oncoming car and were killed. They were only 14. |
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Post by TXMary on Feb 7, 2016 1:49:15 GMT
How very sad.
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Post by valincal on Feb 7, 2016 1:56:29 GMT
I just read that the two boys killed were twin brothers.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 2:26:06 GMT
I just read that the two boys killed were twin brothers. How sad....as a mom of twins, I honestly can't imagine losing both of them.
And no, none of these kids deserved the horrendous consequences, but they did make a very foolish choice.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Feb 7, 2016 2:36:20 GMT
Darwin Award contenders, for sure
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Post by scorpeao on Feb 7, 2016 2:53:07 GMT
This. I was once one of those stupid teens. There are things that I did as a teen that didn't even register as stupid at the time, but in hindsight, as an adult? Let's just say I'm lucky to be alive. I can't tell you why I did foolish things either. I feel incredibly awful for those kids and their families, and while the kids are responsible for what happened, to say they deserved it because they made a foolish choice is reprehensible. Nobody said that. I apologize. I didn't mean to insinuate you had said that. |
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Post by valincal on Feb 7, 2016 3:04:57 GMT
Darwin Award contenders, for sure Teenagers making stupid decisions would flood the list. I reserve it for grown-ass adults who do even stupider things. |
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Post by theshyone on Feb 7, 2016 5:11:15 GMT
Has age been released yet? Other than teen?
It's a real shame that their friends will live life with that vision in their minds, the families loss, the first responders.
I think even without the gate being closed separating the luge portion from the bobsled portion it was a "prank" that could well have ended in death. The Olympics saw a participant die on that track, let alone kids on a toboggan.
I hope the park is not sued.
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