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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 21:54:18 GMT
Yes it seems insulting to me. Very insulting. Anytime you have to promote your product by putting down something in order to put your product in a better light-well that to me is very poor marketing. It leaves a bad taste in my life and I wouldn't contact you if you were the last business on earth. There are other ways to market your product. You don't have to mention the other product at all. Simply mention the positive side of your new product and the person reading the ad fills in the rest-their mind thinks, "Oh, so I won't have to ...any more-great!" Debbie in MD. How is it putting anyone down?
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Post by Native New Yorker on Jul 27, 2014 22:00:12 GMT
Memory keeping without creativity?
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jul 28, 2014 0:17:52 GMT
Wow. That's just going to alienate half of their marketing base.
Companies should try being inclusive, showing potential customers what else they can add to their hobby. Not slamming one way of pursuing a hobby to promote another.
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toby2014
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Post by toby2014 on Jul 28, 2014 1:11:38 GMT
Meh...not insulting to me either. I could see where they could have worded it better. But I should clarify that it is pretty hard for me to get in a tither about much.
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Post by anniefb on Jul 28, 2014 1:51:07 GMT
Definitely think they could have worded it better - what about something positive, rather than putting something down.
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Post by txdancermom on Jul 28, 2014 2:06:54 GMT
Not really insulted, but the way it is worded doesn't inspire me to ask more about what she is doing, it sounds too negative.
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angel97701
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Post by angel97701 on Jul 28, 2014 3:58:42 GMT
I don't find it insulting, just very poor wording on their part. I would tend to not buy their products!
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pamper317
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Post by pamper317 on Jul 28, 2014 5:54:03 GMT
That is really poor marketing. I'm somewhat offended by it. However, what is Project Life if not scrapbooking?
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Post by scrappington on Jul 28, 2014 11:55:35 GMT
From what I have experienced with direct sales scrapbook companies this is about normal. I'm not sure why everyone just can't get along. I know a couple reps so I will just leave it at that. I think this works both ways. I can't wrap my head around just using one company, and hardcore direct sales sb people can't imagine using other companies. I think the approach here was worded wrong, and initially I was a little offended.
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Post by loco coco on Jul 28, 2014 15:55:16 GMT
blah I enjoy the time, creativity and energy I put into scrapbooking... thats why its my hobby whatever this is advertising is obviously not for me. I think Im the minority though, I am just now starting my scrapbook stash/interest while it seems most others are winding down.
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Post by elsiej on Jul 28, 2014 17:11:30 GMT
I am not insulted (well, maybe a little off-put but am not in an all-out snit about it) but I do think it could be worded much better. The only thing I want to say is that when I mention I am a scrapbooker, people say "oh, I don't have enough time for that" and maybe that was the leading reason this came out--the number one reason people hear why others don't scrapbook....Just my two cents!
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Post by berta147 on Jul 28, 2014 17:42:35 GMT
Was this message from Stampin Up or just one demo?
I am a demo for SU, and I do not think I would have worded my message like that. Just a little off-putting. But I must say, most of my reg. scrapping friends have converted to PL. I think I am the only one of our group that does not scrap PL style.
I don't do PL, but I do incorporate some of it in my reg. scrapping. If this was just one demonstrators message to drum up her business, she did not do it well. If it was SU as a whole, I think they could have phrased it a bit better. They should have a pretty savvy marketing team.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 19:50:09 GMT
Was this message from Stampin Up or just one demo? I am a demo for SU, and I do not think I would have worded my message like that. Just a little off-putting. But I must say, most of my reg. scrapping friends have converted to PL. I think I am the only one of our group that does not scrap PL style. I don't do PL, but I do incorporate some of it in my reg. scrapping. If this was just one demonstrators message to drum up her business, she did not do it well. If it was SU as a whole, I think they could have phrased it a bit better. They should have a pretty savvy marketing team. It came through my Facebook feed from two different stampin up big-time (long-term) demonstrators. It was the exact same message. I love stampin up. Always have. Even though they have never supported Scrapbooking to the extent that they support card-making. I was a demonstrator for a little more than a year. I've never heard them disparage Scrapbooking directly (until this). I am glad to see that they are offering a leather like binder with the project life line.
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Post by berta147 on Jul 28, 2014 20:14:48 GMT
Bummer if it was pushed by SU headquarters.
I have been a demo on and off for the last couple of years, and I bought mostly for stamping and card making. They never really pushed scrapping enough, in my opinion. With the BH PL kits they are reaching out to scrappers now?
If they had catered more to scrappers before I would have been happier. But their tone could be more friendly. Guess I need to log on to the SU website more than I do ;-)
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Post by skippet on Jul 28, 2014 20:56:05 GMT
Well, what I get from reading it is that I am probably too skilled and enthusiastic or not inept enough to qualify to use this product.
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Post by anonrefugee on Jul 28, 2014 22:16:20 GMT
Well, what I get from reading it is that I am probably too skilled and enthusiastic or not inept enough to qualify to use this product. BEST post on the subject!!!!
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Post by scrappington on Jul 28, 2014 22:37:45 GMT
Well, what I get from reading it is that I am probably too skilled and enthusiastic or not inept enough to qualify to use this product. Fantastic take on it
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Post by rumplesnat on Jul 28, 2014 23:26:15 GMT
I don't feel offended. I feel like whoever wrote it is an ignorant idiot.
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Post by cupcakepeddler on Jul 29, 2014 0:07:31 GMT
I am not insulted by this but I think it is a poor choice in wording and can understand how this would piss people right off. I have never understood the need for people to undermine or discount a different branch off or variation of this hobby, I am 100% a traditional paper scrapbooker and will never do digital, mixed media or shabby amongst others but I understand that they are a part of this hobby and although not my cup of tea it certainly is others. Scrapbookers are a fickle bunch and you don't do anything that might alienate or upset your customer base, we have seen too many companies go under in the last few years.
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Post by FurryP on Jul 29, 2014 2:50:05 GMT
I don't think they are trying to put down scrapbooking, they are just trying to offer/suggest an alternative. It did not offend me. Or interest me...lol. that^
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Post by AerynK on Jul 29, 2014 3:04:04 GMT
I'm not insulted by it, it just seems like there's a need to bring others down so people can validate what they want to do instead, as if the two kinds can't just live and work simultaneously. This person, whomever wrote it, could only promote the new kind of scrapping by dissing the old style instead of saying something like "hey, want to try something new? scrappers, want to expand your creativity?" No, it's all negative. "Tired of sucking at that stupid time waster scrapbooking? Do my thing and buy my stuff!" Like they have to care about what others do and bring it down to make what they do worth anything. I used to be like that, I know it's out there, but a couple years ago I just got sick of it, you know? Who has time for that crap? And using negativity to promote a business venture is just looking for failure.
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Post by christinec68 on Jul 29, 2014 10:57:41 GMT
I think it's fine. it's mostly reaching out to people who do not scrapbook at all. I know soooo many people who love the idea of scrapbooks but say they are not creative enough to do it. So here's a system that may speak to them. IMO, people who still scrapbook are not the target audience of this sales pitch.
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Post by nesser01 on Jul 29, 2014 12:43:53 GMT
Isn't memory keeping without creativity just sticking photos in an album?
I wasn't insulted by the ad. It didn't make me want to buy the product either.
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Post by MerryMom on Jul 29, 2014 12:51:32 GMT
I don't see the insult in the message, Becky Higgins, Lisa Bearnson etc. use a variation of that same message when they pitch PL products.
So, what is Project Life?
Several years ago I had a hard time keeping up with the memory-keeping that I wanted to do. I solved my own problem, developed a system that works, and now Project Life® is available to everyone, everywhere. Project Life provides an ultra-simple solution that helps us get those pictures into albums without draining our time, energy, and wallets. The idea is simple: Photos + memorabilia + journaling together in an album - everything slips into pockets. No requirement to cut or glue or embellish a thing. And yet - the results are stunning. Project Life is back-to-basics scrapbooking at its finest.
2peas and other scrapbooking sites are full of posts about "burnt out" scrapbookers or "just not feeling the groove any more" ...
Sorry, but for years long before PL, "traditional scrapbookers" pooh-pooh'ed pocket scrapbooking long before Becky Higgins came out with PL, back when it was called "Qwikits". So I get a little bit of a laugh when BH pitches her product as the "The Original Pocket Scrapbooking System since 2009".
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Post by sabriolet on Jul 29, 2014 15:11:21 GMT
I'm not offended by it. I agree with Mini Album Cookbook, it describes a lot of people.
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Post by Laura in OK on Jul 29, 2014 19:04:01 GMT
Big Mistake. HUGE. I have to go shopping now.... Not tech savvy enough to put that pic in, but Julia Roberts/ Pretty woman said it best. LOL!!! Couldn't have said it better!
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Post by lauralaforest on Jul 29, 2014 19:26:17 GMT
I honestly don't personally know of any burned out scrapbookers. And I belong to quite a large group of them. As a matter of fact, they seem more enthusiastic then ever! We all traditionally scrapbook and have incorporated using some PL cards into our pages. We look at it as just another cool embellishment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 20:31:20 GMT
No, the person has a valid point. Many people are burned out by all the digital photos/cell phone pictures, scrapbooking seems like a huge time suck.
What DOES bother me is how she doesn't out right say the name of the company, the type of products, etc... I will NOT look into any type of company that are so vague they can't say the details of the place in one simple text/post or whatever.
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Post by LisaDV on Jul 29, 2014 21:04:00 GMT
So, what is Project Life?
Several years ago I had a hard time keeping up with the memory-keeping that I wanted to do. I solved my own problem, developed a system that works, and now Project Life® is available to everyone, everywhere. Project Life provides an ultra-simple solution that helps us get those pictures into albums without draining our time, energy, and wallets. The idea is simple: Photos + memorabilia + journaling together in an album - everything slips into pockets. No requirement to cut or glue or embellish a thing. And yet - the results are stunning. Project Life is back-to-basics scrapbooking at its finest.
"an ultra-simple solution" - Talk about marketing Lie. It takes me way longer to create a PL styled PP than a traditional layout!! As to OP, I'm not offended. I do think it could have been worded better. To alienate a market that is already buying isn't the best idea, in my opinion. I don't do PL, but I do PP. and I do include PL type pages in my regular albums.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 21:15:36 GMT
It came through my Facebook feed from two different stampin up big-time (long-term) demonstrators. It was the exact same message. I love stampin up. Always have. Even though they have never supported Scrapbooking to the extent that they support card-making. I was a demonstrator for a little more than a year. I've never heard them disparage Scrapbooking directly (until this). I am glad to see that they are offering a leather like binder with the project life line. I should have read the whole thread before posting. I would have been tempted to say I LOVE traditional scrapping. Years ago I was huge into stamping. Realized it was a total waste of time, way too messy, etc... Now I have time to focus on creating memories by using the basics; paper, adhesive, photos, sheet protectors and I'm done! Would have been fun to poke at the person that couldn't bother to post they were a SU! demonstrator.
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