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Post by suzastampin on Feb 15, 2016 21:28:01 GMT
Disgusting! Funny how with this and the HGH, Manning is innocent until proven guilty, but Brady was guilty until proven innocent over a deflated ball. Shaking my head...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2016 21:33:17 GMT
What bothers me is that this is written as an editorial, not a news article. Why not write it as straight news without all the opinions? Probably because he didn't want to bother with other sources so the author is either lazy or there is no other evidence. Doesn't mean it is untrue, but does make me question it. Shaun King is an columnist, not a reporter.
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Post by Laurie on Feb 15, 2016 21:36:40 GMT
To me this doesn't alter if I view Cam in a better or worse light. To be blunt I don't give 2 shits about Cam when forming an opinion on Payton. I am sure the media will never do anything to tarnish his aww shucks image. A quick look at CNN and I see nothing about this posted and I am afraid it never will. I take comfort that eventually this will all come out years down the road in a similar fashion to Bill Cosby. I can just about bet that this isn't the only lady he has assaulted.
The guy is a complete douche but the media loves him so don't worry he will be okay. No one even needs to defend him because the media will take care of their golden boy. He will come out ahead in this and the woman will be destroyed even more.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 15, 2016 21:59:35 GMT
To me this doesn't alter if I view Cam in a better or worse light. To be blunt I don't give 2 shits about Cam when forming an opinion on Payton. I am sure the media will never do anything to tarnish his aww shucks image. A quick look at CNN and I see nothing about this posted and I am afraid it never will. I take comfort that eventually this will all come out years down the road in a similar fashion to Bill Cosby. I can just about bet that this isn't the only lady he has assaulted. The guy is a complete douche but the media loves him so don't worry he will be okay. No one even needs to defend him because the media will take care of their golden boy. He will come out ahead in this and the woman will be destroyed even more. Do you understand that this was over 13 years ago? No new news to report, no new developments? That this columnist just regurgitated old news? He really didn't @get away" with anything either---whatever was in the settlement worked for both parties.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 15, 2016 22:18:14 GMT
And, to be perfectly honest, the title of the OP thread is also misleading. He was never charged with any sexual assault at all.
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Post by Laurie on Feb 15, 2016 22:19:06 GMT
To me this doesn't alter if I view Cam in a better or worse light. To be blunt I don't give 2 shits about Cam when forming an opinion on Payton. I am sure the media will never do anything to tarnish his aww shucks image. A quick look at CNN and I see nothing about this posted and I am afraid it never will. I take comfort that eventually this will all come out years down the road in a similar fashion to Bill Cosby. I can just about bet that this isn't the only lady he has assaulted. The guy is a complete douche but the media loves him so don't worry he will be okay. No one even needs to defend him because the media will take care of their golden boy. He will come out ahead in this and the woman will be destroyed even more. Do you understand that this was over 13 years ago? No new news to report, no new developments? That this columnist just regurgitated old news? He really didn't @get away" with anything either---whatever was in the settlement worked for both parties. Yes, I do understand that this isn't recent. That typically doesn't stop the media though.
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Post by trollie on Feb 16, 2016 0:34:12 GMT
And, to be perfectly honest, the title of the OP thread is also misleading. He was never charged with any sexual assault at all. Pretty sure putting your rectum and testicles on someone's face would be classified as sexual assault if that someone is not a willing participant. Just sayin'.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 16, 2016 0:37:06 GMT
And, to be perfectly honest, the title of the OP thread is also misleading. He was never charged with any sexual assault at all. Pretty sure putting your rectum and testicles on someone's face would be classified as sexual assault if that someone is not a willing participant. Just sayin'. It would most definitely be now. My point was that Peyton was NOT charged with sexual assault when this happened, and there WAS an investigation .
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Post by anxiousmom on Feb 16, 2016 0:39:05 GMT
And, to be perfectly honest, the title of the OP thread is also misleading. He was never charged with any sexual assault at all. Pretty sure putting your rectum and testicles on someone's face would be classified as sexual assault if that someone is not a willing participant. Just sayin'.) *thinking the same thing (if I found unwanted testicles, rectums, taints or full on peni in my face I am pretty sure I wouldn't consider it a joke.)
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Post by valleyview on Feb 16, 2016 0:49:34 GMT
Pretty sure putting your rectum and testicles on someone's face would be classified as sexual assault if that someone is not a willing participant. Just sayin'. It would most definitely be now. My point was that Peyton was NOT charged with sexual assault when this happened, and there WAS an investigation . It doesn't matter if this would be considered sexual assault NOW. I think it would seem like sexual assault to anyone who was on the receiving "end" of that.
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Post by likescarrots on Feb 16, 2016 1:51:43 GMT
Pretty sure putting your rectum and testicles on someone's face would be classified as sexual assault if that someone is not a willing participant. Just sayin'. It would most definitely be now. My point was that Peyton was NOT charged with sexual assault when this happened, and there WAS an investigation . just because he wasn't charged doesn't mean he didn't sexually assault her - it happens ALL THE TIME. And seriously you're making yourself look disgusting by defending this piece of shit.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 16, 2016 2:16:30 GMT
It would most definitely be now. My point was that Peyton was NOT charged with sexual assault when this happened, and there WAS an investigation . just because he wasn't charged doesn't mean he didn't sexually assault her - it happens ALL THE TIME. And seriously you're making yourself look disgusting by defending this piece of shit. Thanks. First of all if you bothered to even read a few of my posts above you would find that I don't give 2 hoots about him. I have not been defending him either. Secondly, I also stated that I believed that he did teabag her.
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Post by likescarrots on Feb 16, 2016 3:07:01 GMT
just because he wasn't charged doesn't mean he didn't sexually assault her - it happens ALL THE TIME. And seriously you're making yourself look disgusting by defending this piece of shit. Thanks. First of all if you bothered to even read a few of my posts above you would find that I don't give 2 hoots about him. I have not been defending him either. Secondly, I also stated that I believed that he did teabag her. I read all of your posts and I seriously doubt anyone here would believe you 'don't give 2 hoots about him'. You said the thread title was misleading, the thread title says nothing about being CHARGED with sexual assault, so not misleading at all. You also said: He GOT AWAY with sexually assaulting someone.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 16, 2016 3:24:53 GMT
Thanks. First of all if you bothered to even read a few of my posts above you would find that I don't give 2 hoots about him. I have not been defending him either. Secondly, I also stated that I believed that he did teabag her. I read all of your posts and I seriously doubt anyone here would believe you 'don't give 2 hoots about him'. You said the thread title was misleading, the thread title says nothing about being CHARGED with sexual assault, so not misleading at all. You also said: He GOT AWAY with sexually assaulting someone. You can think what you want about me, but you're wrong. I really don't care about him, his life has no affect on me. I'll concede on the title being misleading if that will make you happy. You're right, the title does not say charged. He did not get away with it. She and the UT agreed on settlement terms regarding that incident. If she wasn't happy about the settlement, she wouldn't have agreed to it. He didn't get away with defamation either. She sued, they settled, once again she agreed to those terms too.
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Post by luckyexwife on Feb 16, 2016 3:34:50 GMT
I read all of your posts and I seriously doubt anyone here would believe you 'don't give 2 hoots about him'. You said the thread title was misleading, the thread title says nothing about being CHARGED with sexual assault, so not misleading at all. You also said: He GOT AWAY with sexually assaulting someone. You can think what you want about me, but you're wrong. I really don't care about him, his life has no affect on me. I'll concede on the title being misleading if that will make you happy. You're right, the title does not say charged. He did not get away with it. She and the UT agreed on settlement terms regarding that incident. If she wasn't happy about the settlement, she wouldn't have agreed to it. He didn't get away with defamation either. She sued, they settled, once again she agreed to those terms too. How does the victim and UT agreeing to a settlement punish Manning at all? He did get away with it, UT paid for his sexual assult.
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Post by peatlejuice on Feb 16, 2016 8:31:38 GMT
just because he wasn't charged doesn't mean he didn't sexually assault her - it happens ALL THE TIME. And seriously you're making yourself look disgusting by defending this piece of shit. Thanks. First of all if you bothered to even read a few of my posts above you would find that I don't give 2 hoots about him. I have not been defending him either. Secondly, I also stated that I believed that he did teabag her. I've read all of your posts above, and I've found that you are entirely too worked up over someone you "don't care about". I wouldn't say you look disgusting, just way over invested and a little hysterical to get people to see your side of the story. As for Manning, well, if it talks like a duck and walks like a duck...I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle, but at a minimum, he sounds like a giant pain in the ass to deal with. I'd also just like to point out that it can be fairly difficult to prove certain instances of sexual harassment, especially in a good ol' boy, "he said, she said" environment, so I'm 0.78945% shocked that not all of her claims were substantiated.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 16, 2016 12:19:32 GMT
Thanks. First of all if you bothered to even read a few of my posts above you would find that I don't give 2 hoots about him. I have not been defending him either. Secondly, I also stated that I believed that he did teabag her. I've read all of your posts above, and I've found that you are entirely too worked up over someone you "don't care about". I wouldn't say you look disgusting, just way over invested and a little hysterical to get people to see your side of the story. As for Manning, well, if it talks like a duck and walks like a duck...I'm sure the truth is somewhere in the middle, but at a minimum, he sounds like a giant pain in the ass to deal with. I'd also just like to point out that it can be fairly difficult to prove certain instances of sexual harassment, especially in a good ol' boy, "he said, she said" environment, so I'm 0.78945% shocked that not all of her claims were substantiated. I've remained constant in my posting that it's not about him, it's about how the media, a columnist who posted an opinion piece with skewed opinions, facts that were not in the right places... How media cannot always be right or trustworthy. My posts really don't have much to do with PM as you think. Nor am I defending him. You know why he wasn't charged with sexual assault? In her original complaint (1996) with her reporting it and to the UT, she never said there was contact. (Which has to be present in an assault charge). Her claim was that he dropped his pants in front of her. This is why he didn't "get away with anything". At the time of the incident--a time that it would have been most prudent for her to do so, she never claimed that he pressed anything up against her. In her claim, her affidavit she states: “He pulled his pants down and exposed himself to me, as I was bent over examining his foot after asking me personal questions.” She makes no claim in her suit whatsoever that he laid any body part on her at UT. It was not until the defamation (2nd) case that she started claiming the physical contact. (Still to this day PM has not been charged with or sued for) During that time, the teammate PM claimed to be mooning asked PM to step up and tell what really happened, however (and also in an affidavit) he did not say that PM had physical contact with the trainer. He was asking PM to own up to it her being the target subject of the indecent exposure and not him (the teammate). Her (partly) basis of her suit was that SHE was the target of the mooning, and not the teammate as written in the book. My posting has been to try to put the actual facts where they belong, not just opinion of what I think or lumping them all into one pool for people to get all charged up with over things that really are not facts at all! It's too easy for people to take an article, an opinion piece about something that happened 10-13-20 years ago and make a conclusion from it without reading for further factual evidence, in the timeline that it happened. THIS is what I get a little worked up about. If it's just easier for you to say that PM is a POS because of misinformation and skewed "facts" then that's your choice. I was intrigued about it and went all the way back and looked at everything to piece it together in a linear timeline. And found out that it is not all as it seemed.
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Post by jenis40 on Feb 16, 2016 13:04:36 GMT
I find the initial assault disgusting but the continued harassment and intimidation are what I find truly disturbing about this case. Once the initial settlement was reached, Manning should have kept his mouth shut. It never needed mentioned again and I cannot fathom why his ghostwriter and literary agent thought it was a good idea to print it. Whether or not she had a "vulgar" mouth (and it's been proven in court she didn't), as a professional athlete why would you let that bother you to the point that you would try to destroy someone's career? Harassment is a different story but that doesn't seem to be the case here. I mean these guys trash talk constantly so it's not like a pristine environment where a four letter word is never uttered. The whole thing is just odd and paints Manning as an asshole.
On on a side note, I have a grandson who plays Division I college basketball and I worry about him. The athletes have such a "hero" status and the programs kind of a macho environment and college sports can be so, well, gross. Plus to make it at that level, you have to have a competitive drive and huge ego. Grandson is a good kid but I want him to know that you never treat people as "less than", it's not ok to take advantage of girls in vulnerable situations, etc. I really don't think he ever would but I can see a combination of culture/peer pressure/frontal lobe not being fully developed leading to a bad decision or two. He truly is a good kid who has worked hard, gets good grades and realizes he is incredibly lucky (full ride scholarship).
But we recently had a conversation about the Louisville situation (men's basketball program will not be participating in any post season play due to allegations an assistant with the program was providing recruits with a "escort") and he said "a lot of programs do stuff like that". He didn't mean hiring escorts but that there were usually some sort of enticements (underage drinking or a strip club or more minor stuff - most in the not necessarily illegal but probably frowned upon by parents category) during recruiting that would be not received well. I do want to add that he didn't do any of these things and the program he's in has a very good reputation with an emphasis on the student part of the student athlete but he's "heard things".
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Post by threecs on Feb 16, 2016 13:17:18 GMT
Always in the minority & often ridiculed for my unpopular view, I've always despised smug & pompous Peyton Manning. He makes my skin crawl, even through tv, so I'm not at all surprised by his sexist remarks, documented harassment/defamation, affairs while on the road, & banned substance rumors. Given Archie Manning's demands with NFL owners to draft/place his sons on teams he handpicked based on insider access, I have no doubt he also has influence at the college & local levels. Sadly, it's another example of the unpleasant glimpse behind the curtain of 'ole boy networks & billion dollar industries.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 16, 2016 14:05:59 GMT
I find the initial assault disgusting but the continued harassment and intimidation are what I find truly disturbing about this case. Once the initial settlement was reached, Manning should have kept his mouth shut. It never needed mentioned again and I cannot fathom why his ghostwriter and literary agent thought it was a good idea to print it. Whether or not she had a "vulgar" mouth (and it's been proven in court she didn't), as a professional athlete why would you let that bother you to the point that you would try to destroy someone's career? Harassment is a different story but that doesn't seem to be the case here. I mean these guys trash talk constantly so it's not like a pristine environment where a four letter word is never uttered. The whole thing is just odd and paints Manning as an asshole. On on a side note, I have a grandson who plays Division I college basketball and I worry about him. The athletes have such a "hero" status and the programs kind of a macho environment and college sports can be so, well, gross. Plus to make it at that level, you have to have a competitive drive and huge ego. Grandson is a good kid but I want him to know that you never treat people as "less than", it's not ok to take advantage of girls in vulnerable situations, etc. I really don't think he ever would but I can see a combination of culture/peer pressure/frontal lobe not being fully developed leading to a bad decision or two. He truly is a good kid who has worked hard, gets good grades and realizes he is incredibly lucky (full ride scholarship). But we recently had a conversation about the Louisville situation (men's basketball program will not be participating in any post season play due to allegations an assistant with the program was providing recruits with a "escort") and he said "a lot of programs do stuff like that". He didn't mean hiring escorts but that there were usually some sort of enticements (underage drinking or a strip club or more minor stuff - most in the not necessarily illegal but probably frowned upon by parents category) during recruiting that would be not received well. I do want to add that he didn't do any of these things and the program he's in has a very good reputation with an emphasis on the student part of the student athlete but he's "heard things". Continued harassment? Most would agree that they had not heard much about this until the media latched onto it again. Did you know that she was countersued because SHE breached to confidentiality agreement? SHE gave a Florida reporter the settlement (1996) information who then subsequently reported those confidential details. SHE breached again in her statement of complaint on the defamation suit--in which she gave a different account of what her original complaint actually stated. (She changed her account of what happened in 1996). she also, without provocation brought attention to the incident (before the book) once again to take him back to court. She wasn't fired from Southern Florida College, she was demoted because of HER own behavior, which is also stated by SFC in their affidavits. They stated under oath that she was very difficult, demanding, egocentric, retaliatory, defensive, combative, aggressive, inappropriate with staff and students. A year later when her contract was up for renewal, during contract negotiations the president of SFC said it was apparent that they would not come to agreement on a new contract so it was not renewed. In our lunch area (lawyers, other professionals) Have been discussing it's a money grab/shake down on her part given that she has sued him several times even though she too broke confidentiality agreements as well other entities several times since, and in at least one of them was caught lying (Karan case). That coupled with the timing of suits (right before/after playoffs, Super Bowls). Like I said before, it's messy and knowing all the facts in the order that they happened changes things that are being "reported" (using that term loosely) on now.
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Post by Drew on Feb 16, 2016 14:21:50 GMT
I was puzzled that this story never gained traction and that Manning never experienced any personal repercussions, but this thread illustrates why.
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Post by whopea on Feb 16, 2016 14:29:45 GMT
Always in the minority & often ridiculed for my unpopular view, I've always despised smug & pompous Peyton Manning. He makes my skin crawl, even through tv, so I'm not at all surprised by his sexist remarks, documented harassment/defamation, affairs while on the road, & banned substance rumors. Given Archie Manning's demands with NFL owners to draft/place his sons on teams he handpicked based on insider access, I have no doubt he also has influence at the college & local levels. Sadly, it's another example of the unpleasant glimpse behind the curtain of 'ole boy networks & billion dollar industries. I have been a lifetime Denver Broncos fan but refused to support them because Peyton Manning was the quarterback and I felt much like described above. I wouldn't be surprised if the HGH rumors are proven true at some point. I think all professional and college sports have a dark underbelly that when exposed to the light of day is not very flattering, if not just downright disgusting.
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Post by Kymberlee on Feb 16, 2016 14:31:09 GMT
I've got no skin in the game as they say. I neither dislike nor like PM, but I get what papercrafteradvocate is saying. I think the media latches on to stories such as this and "opinion" pieces start morphing into factual news stories and fact and fiction get hazy. There are bits of the story that are being left out of the piece and the truth is buried in very dry court documents that no one cares to read. It is way more interesting to think that the Golden Boy dangled his nuts in a female trainers face and then began stalking her to ruin her career. Is that what happened? According to court documents it isn't what happened so that is what I am going to believe until there is more evidence that proves otherwise. I have found the media loves to jump on stories such as these with no regard of the actual facts so I will reserve my judgement on an incident that appears to have been settled years ago.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 16, 2016 14:37:32 GMT
I've got no skin in the game as they say. I neither dislike nor like PM, but I get what papercrafteradvocate is saying. I think the media latches on to stories such as this and "opinion" pieces start morphing into factual news stories and fact and fiction get hazy. There are bits of the story that are being left out of the piece and the truth is buried in very dry court documents that no one cares to read. It is way more interesting to think that the Golden Boy dangled his nuts in a female trainers face and then began stalking her to ruin her career. Is that what happened? According to court documents it isn't what happened so that is what I am going to believe until there is more evidence that proves otherwise. I have found the media loves to jump on stories such as these with no regard of the actual facts so I will reserve my judgement on an incident that appears to have been settled years ago. Thank you for wrapping it up in one succinct post what I've been trying to say !!! Lol
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Post by peasapie on Feb 16, 2016 14:44:20 GMT
I'm sure there is a lot we don't know on both sides, so I'm not rushing to judgment.
If there is dirty laundry to air (for either of them), I'm sure someone will find a way to drag it out and hang it on the line.
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Post by Kymberlee on Feb 16, 2016 14:48:16 GMT
I've got no skin in the game as they say. I neither dislike nor like PM, but I get what papercrafteradvocate is saying. I think the media latches on to stories such as this and "opinion" pieces start morphing into factual news stories and fact and fiction get hazy. There are bits of the story that are being left out of the piece and the truth is buried in very dry court documents that no one cares to read. It is way more interesting to think that the Golden Boy dangled his nuts in a female trainers face and then began stalking her to ruin her career. Is that what happened? According to court documents it isn't what happened so that is what I am going to believe until there is more evidence that proves otherwise. I have found the media loves to jump on stories such as these with no regard of the actual facts so I will reserve my judgement on an incident that appears to have been settled years ago. Thank you for wrapping it up in one succinct post what I've been trying to say !!! Lol I'm glad it made sense. It has been bouncing around in my brain since yesterday, and I finally put my words into some sort of recognizable thought.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 16, 2016 15:01:05 GMT
Thank you for wrapping it up in one succinct post what I've been trying to say !!! Lol I'm glad it made sense. It has been bouncing around in my brain since yesterday, and I finally put my words into some sort of recognizable thought. It makes perfect sense!!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 16, 2016 15:08:17 GMT
I'm sure there is a lot we don't know on both sides, so I'm not rushing to judgment. If there is dirty laundry to air (for either of them), I'm sure someone will find a way to drag it out and hang it on the line. So true! But there is a lot of information that is available to us, but it requires some thorough reading. It can be irresponsible to take the word of a columnist's skewed opinion piece
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Post by Laurie on Feb 16, 2016 16:02:45 GMT
I'm not dumb enough to fully buy her side of the story either. It has been proven that he lied about the incident as the mooning story did not occur.
While I'm not dumb enough to believe her story as 100% accurate I am also not dumb enough to think he is perfectly innocent. At the very least we know he is a liar as evidenced by the mooning excuse. He loses credibility when right from the beginning he lied. I was willing to give him a pass and believe him on the hgh but now I am not so sure because his credibility to me is out the window.
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Post by SweetieBsMom on Feb 16, 2016 16:06:29 GMT
Disgusting! Funny how with this and the HGH, Manning is innocent until proven guilty, but Brady was guilty until proven innocent over a deflated ball. Shaking my head... So true. And everyone was so willing to take what was printed in the press as true. Double standard much?
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