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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 16, 2016 16:19:47 GMT
I've got no skin in the game as they say. I neither dislike nor like PM, but I get what papercrafteradvocate is saying. I think the media latches on to stories such as this and "opinion" pieces start morphing into factual news stories and fact and fiction get hazy. There are bits of the story that are being left out of the piece and the truth is buried in very dry court documents that no one cares to read. It is way more interesting to think that the Golden Boy dangled his nuts in a female trainers face and then began stalking her to ruin her career. Is that what happened? According to court documents it isn't what happened so that is what I am going to believe until there is more evidence that proves otherwise. I have found the media loves to jump on stories such as these with no regard of the actual facts so I will reserve my judgement on an incident that appears to have been settled years ago. I'm not going to defend bad behavior in anyone, much less a professional athlete. Having said that, I do find it curious that this is surfacing now, and just a short time ago there were stories of PM taking steroids. It's strange.
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Post by Meri-Lyn on Feb 16, 2016 16:28:43 GMT
I only intend this as a gentle reminder....It's Florida Southern College. My cousin played baseball and graduated from there.
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Post by Kymberlee on Feb 16, 2016 17:42:21 GMT
I've got no skin in the game as they say. I neither dislike nor like PM, but I get what papercrafteradvocate is saying. I think the media latches on to stories such as this and "opinion" pieces start morphing into factual news stories and fact and fiction get hazy. There are bits of the story that are being left out of the piece and the truth is buried in very dry court documents that no one cares to read. It is way more interesting to think that the Golden Boy dangled his nuts in a female trainers face and then began stalking her to ruin her career. Is that what happened? According to court documents it isn't what happened so that is what I am going to believe until there is more evidence that proves otherwise. I have found the media loves to jump on stories such as these with no regard of the actual facts so I will reserve my judgement on an incident that appears to have been settled years ago. I'm not going to defend bad behavior in anyone, much less a professional athlete. Having said that, I do find it curious that this is surfacing now, and just a short time ago there were stories of PM taking steroids. It's strange. I think it is typical of certain facets of the media. Peyton Manning is back in the news due to his Super Bowl win and probable retirement. His name will generate clicks and if his name is associated with some juicy scandal, whether real or imagined, it will generate more clicks. More clicks=more $$$ for the news outlet.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 16, 2016 17:53:18 GMT
I'm not dumb enough to fully buy her side of the story either. It has been proven that he lied about the incident as the mooning story did not occur. While I'm not dumb enough to believe her story as 100% accurate I am also not dumb enough to think he is perfectly innocent. At the very least we know he is a liar as evidenced by the mooning excuse. He loses credibility when right from the beginning he lied. I was willing to give him a pass and believe him on the hgh but now I am not so sure because his credibility to me is out the window. As "evidenced" by the mooning excuse on his part. Which do you mean? The part where he said it was intended for a teammate (and not her)? Why doesn't she get the same questions of credibility? (because she had lied)
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 16, 2016 17:58:43 GMT
I've got no skin in the game as they say. I neither dislike nor like PM, but I get what papercrafteradvocate is saying. I think the media latches on to stories such as this and "opinion" pieces start morphing into factual news stories and fact and fiction get hazy. There are bits of the story that are being left out of the piece and the truth is buried in very dry court documents that no one cares to read. It is way more interesting to think that the Golden Boy dangled his nuts in a female trainers face and then began stalking her to ruin her career. Is that what happened? According to court documents it isn't what happened so that is what I am going to believe until there is more evidence that proves otherwise. I have found the media loves to jump on stories such as these with no regard of the actual facts so I will reserve my judgement on an incident that appears to have been settled years ago. I'm not going to defend bad behavior in anyone, much less a professional athlete. Having said that, I do find it curious that this is surfacing now, and just a short time ago there were stories of PM taking steroids. It's strange. It is strange, which is why I mentioned the timing now and the timing of a few of the suits. The discussion going on here is that HER doing the intimidation, feeding the columnists etc. the information so that she can claim breach again (on of her claims of PM breaching had come out of the blue (no book, no ESPN) it's weird alright!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 16, 2016 18:34:02 GMT
I only intend this as a gentle reminder....It's Florida Southern College. My cousin played baseball and graduated from there. Lol! So sorry! I'll get it right!
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Post by Laurie on Feb 16, 2016 18:48:32 GMT
I'm not dumb enough to fully buy her side of the story either. It has been proven that he lied about the incident as the mooning story did not occur. While I'm not dumb enough to believe her story as 100% accurate I am also not dumb enough to think he is perfectly innocent. At the very least we know he is a liar as evidenced by the mooning excuse. He loses credibility when right from the beginning he lied. I was willing to give him a pass and believe him on the hgh but now I am not so sure because his credibility to me is out the window. As "evidenced" by the mooning excuse on his part. Which do you mean? The part where he said it was intended for a teammate (and not her)? Why doesn't she get the same questions of credibility? (because she had lied) His excuse was he was mooning a teammate. That teammate said he did not moon him.
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Post by Nanner on Feb 16, 2016 20:08:33 GMT
I don't like Peyton Manning and never have. But it's always disappointing to hear stuff like this.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 16, 2016 20:08:58 GMT
As "evidenced" by the mooning excuse on his part. Which do you mean? The part where he said it was intended for a teammate (and not her)? Why doesn't she get the same questions of credibility? (because she had lied) His excuse was he was mooning a teammate. That teammate said he did not moon him. And you don't question her credibility when she lied about the contact in the second suit (she changed her story when she went to claim defamation) ? Or when only 4 of the 33 claims she made against the UT were proven to be true. Or when she sued Donna Karan (yes THE DKNY) claiming her Zen company dislocated a vertebra and broke her jaw--but she filed a suit against someone else 5 months prior to the DK suit claiming the same injuries? (The court in the DK case was dismissed because of her lies)
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Post by scrappinmama on Feb 16, 2016 20:57:53 GMT
This is all old news. I am a football fan, and this news came out years ago. I am questioning why it's being brought up again? The writer of this most recent article obviously has an agenda.
I think what Peyton did was disgusting. This has all been settled. Then it came up again several years later (when I heard about it). And now again?
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Post by mallie on Feb 16, 2016 23:11:27 GMT
Wow. Somebody has a dog in this fight apparently.
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Post by Nanner on Feb 16, 2016 23:28:55 GMT
Wow. Somebody has a dog in this fight apparently. I'll say.
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Feb 17, 2016 1:39:37 GMT
I'm not going to defend bad behavior in anyone, much less a professional athlete. Having said that, I do find it curious that this is surfacing now, and just a short time ago there were stories of PM taking steroids. It's strange. It is strange, which is why I mentioned the timing now and the timing of a few of the suits. The discussion going on here is that HER doing the intimidation, feeding the columnists etc. the information so that she can claim breach again (on of her claims of PM breaching had come out of the blue (no book, no ESPN) it's weird alright! What is so strange about it? Cam Newton was being crucified in columns and social media for his behavior. Many were contrasting his behavior with that of St. Payton. Some responded that Payton wasn't as squeaky clean as portrayed, and the HCG allegations were rehashed, as well as his refusal to shake hands after a previous Super Bowl loss. Others commented about these older allegations as evidence that he might not be one of the good guys. Etc. etc. etc. The timing is all about the Super Bowl and comparing him to Cam Newton. No conspiracy necessary. FTR, I have long been a Payton fan. He ranked as one of my top 3 or 4 SNL guests ever. I wanted Denver to win so he could retire with the championship. I had never heard of these allegations before, and I am very disappointed. Even in the best case scenario (i.e. He did not actually touch her), his behavior at UT was criminal--indecent exposure is at least a misdemeanor. So yes, he did "get away with something" when he wasn't charged. And please stop referring to it as "mooning" like it was some high school prank. His teammates don't even back him up on that one. He dropped his shorts to intimidate/harass her.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 17, 2016 2:49:11 GMT
It is strange, which is why I mentioned the timing now and the timing of a few of the suits. The discussion going on here is that HER doing the intimidation, feeding the columnists etc. the information so that she can claim breach again (on of her claims of PM breaching had come out of the blue (no book, no ESPN) it's weird alright! What is so strange about it? Cam Newton was being crucified in columns and social media for his behavior. Many were contrasting his behavior with that of St. Payton. Some responded that Payton wasn't as squeaky clean as portrayed, and the HCG allegations were rehashed, as well as his refusal to shake hands after a previous Super Bowl loss. Others commented about these older allegations as evidence that he might not be one of the good guys. Etc. etc. etc. The timing is all about the Super Bowl and comparing him to Cam Newton. No conspiracy necessary. FTR, I have long been a Payton fan. He ranked as one of my top 3 or 4 SNL guests ever. I wanted Denver to win so he could retire with the championship. I had never heard of these allegations before, and I am very disappointed. Even in the best case scenario (i.e. He did not actually touch her), his behavior at UT was criminal--indecent exposure is at least a misdemeanor. So yes, he did "get away with something" when he wasn't charged. And please stop referring to it as "mooning" like it was some high school prank. His teammates don't even back him up on that one. He dropped his shorts to intimidate/harass her. I refer to it as "mooning" because that is what it was reported as by HER as well as what SHE stated in her affidavit. Try as you might, this is not my wording to diminish anything, it is exactly what was reported, stated in the case that was filed against UT where it happened. You really need to go read back to all the court documents before getting upset at terms being used. She didn't sue PM back then when it happened --she likely went for the deeper pockets, he was 19 yrs old, not a dime to his name as a college player. There was an investigation and based in the results of that is why there were no charges against him. If you were to read what transpired then, if the 33 claims she made, only 4 were proved to be true. Her 2nd claim was also questionable, where she first (in 1996 at UT) gave a sworn affidavit to the courts that he dropped his pants in front of her, and then later in 2002/3 she changed her story to him scooting down the table to place bare parts on her. HUGE difference in her stories.
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Post by trollie on Feb 17, 2016 3:55:13 GMT
What is so strange about it? Cam Newton was being crucified in columns and social media for his behavior. Many were contrasting his behavior with that of St. Payton. Some responded that Payton wasn't as squeaky clean as portrayed, and the HCG allegations were rehashed, as well as his refusal to shake hands after a previous Super Bowl loss. Others commented about these older allegations as evidence that he might not be one of the good guys. Etc. etc. etc. The timing is all about the Super Bowl and comparing him to Cam Newton. No conspiracy necessary. FTR, I have long been a Payton fan. He ranked as one of my top 3 or 4 SNL guests ever. I wanted Denver to win so he could retire with the championship. I had never heard of these allegations before, and I am very disappointed. Even in the best case scenario (i.e. He did not actually touch her), his behavior at UT was criminal--indecent exposure is at least a misdemeanor. So yes, he did "get away with something" when he wasn't charged. And please stop referring to it as "mooning" like it was some high school prank. His teammates don't even back him up on that one. He dropped his shorts to intimidate/harass her. There was an investigation and based in the results of that is why there were no charges against him. If you were to read what transpired then, if the 33 claims she made, only 4 were proved to be true.
This is something that you have posted multiple times. Just because something isn't PROVEN, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Your attitude is the reason why rape and sexual assault victims don't report. My aunt was brutally raped and beaten. Wanna know what the rapist douche bag was convicted of? He hit her car with his car while he was leaving the scene. He was charged with and convicted of the hit and run. That is what was PROVEN with the investigation and trial. Doesn't mean she wasn't raped and brutally beaten.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 17, 2016 4:17:23 GMT
There was an investigation and based in the results of that is why there were no charges against him. If you were to read what transpired then, if the 33 claims she made, only 4 were proved to be true.
This is something that you have posted multiple times. Just because something isn't PROVEN, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Your attitude is the reason why rape and sexual assault victims don't report. My aunt was brutally raped and beaten. Wanna know what the rapist douche bag was convicted of? He hit her car with his car while he was leaving the scene. He was charged with and convicted of the hit and run. That is what was PROVEN with the investigation and trial. Doesn't mean she wasn't raped and brutally beaten. It isnt that it wasn't proven--it didn't happen the way she claimed it did (changed her story for the 2nd suit). You are so wrong about my "attitude" regarding this. I think that when anyone who has to lie/change her story about these events as she did--to get money is a travesty for all those who are truly victims of any sexual assault or harassment. It's a shame that for whatever reason your aunts case was not proven, I would believe that being raped and beaten would be easy to prove as they both leave physical evidence behind. It is important to keep the facts straight, otherwise charges, arrests, laws are made based on fiction, and where does that leave the real victims? It is irresponsible to take the word of a columnist who cannot even use the facts of the case for his skewed story. I KNOW what sexual assault does to a person. It affects you every single day of your life in someway. It makes you feel insecure. You question your sanity. You believe things about yourself that are not true. It fucks with your head and it hurts--deeply. TRUST ME, I get it. But I respect the courts to do the job in which they are tasked and in this case the piece that the columnist dredged up can only be read as fiction.
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Post by luckyexwife on Feb 17, 2016 4:21:19 GMT
This is something that you have posted multiple times. Just because something isn't PROVEN, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Your attitude is the reason why rape and sexual assault victims don't report. My aunt was brutally raped and beaten. Wanna know what the rapist douche bag was convicted of? He hit her car with his car while he was leaving the scene. He was charged with and convicted of the hit and run. That is what was PROVEN with the investigation and trial. Doesn't mean she wasn't raped and brutally beaten. It isnt that it wasn't proven--it didn't happen the way she claimed it did (changed her story for the 2nd suit). You are so wrong about my "attitude" regarding this. I think that when anyone who has to lie/change her story about these events as she did--to get money is a travesty for all those who are truly victims of any sexual assault or harassment. It's a shame that for whatever reason your aunts case was not proven, I would believe that being raped and beaten would be easy to prove as they both leave physical evidence behind. It is important to keep the facts straight, otherwise charges, arrests, laws are made based on fiction, and where does that leave the real victims? It is irresponsible to take the word of a columnist who cannot even use the facts of the case for his skewed story. I KNOW what sexual assault does to a person. It affects you every single day of your life in someway. It makes you feel insecure. You question your sanity. You believe things about yourself that are not true. It fucks with your head and it hurts--deeply. TRUST ME, I get it. But I respect the courts to do the job in which they are tasked and in this case the piece that the columnist dredged up can only be read as fiction. It appears you have found more documents in this case than have been shared in this thread thus far, perhaps you would share some links?
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Post by trollie on Feb 17, 2016 5:02:33 GMT
This is something that you have posted multiple times. Just because something isn't PROVEN, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Your attitude is the reason why rape and sexual assault victims don't report. My aunt was brutally raped and beaten. Wanna know what the rapist douche bag was convicted of? He hit her car with his car while he was leaving the scene. He was charged with and convicted of the hit and run. That is what was PROVEN with the investigation and trial. Doesn't mean she wasn't raped and brutally beaten. It isnt that it wasn't proven--it didn't happen the way she claimed it did (changed her story for the 2nd suit). You are so wrong about my "attitude" regarding this. I think that when anyone who has to lie/change her story about these events as she did--to get money is a travesty for all those who are truly victims of any sexual assault or harassment. It's a shame that for whatever reason your aunts case was not proven, I would believe that being raped and beaten would be easy to prove as they both leave physical evidence behind. It is important to keep the facts straight, otherwise charges, arrests, laws are made based on fiction, and where does that leave the real victims? It is irresponsible to take the word of a columnist who cannot even use the facts of the case for his skewed story. I KNOW what sexual assault does to a person. It affects you every single day of your life in someway. It makes you feel insecure. You question your sanity. You believe things about yourself that are not true. It fucks with your head and it hurts--deeply. TRUST ME, I get it. But I respect the courts to do the job in which they are tasked and in this case the piece that the columnist dredged up can only be read as fiction. I used proven because those are your words in your posts. I really hope that I am wrong about your attitude, but when I read your posts they read as if you are defending Manning. Honestly, I really don't care at this point, but clearly you touched a nerve with me. I will not go into the gory details of my aunt's assault, but she was beaten so badly that she was unrecognizable. Trust me, it was and still is hard for me to believe that her assault could not be "proven." I just know from my family member's experience that things can happen and then not be able to be "proven." Of course, this was over 30 years ago before dna testing was being used.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Feb 17, 2016 13:27:40 GMT
It isnt that it wasn't proven--it didn't happen the way she claimed it did (changed her story for the 2nd suit). You are so wrong about my "attitude" regarding this. I think that when anyone who has to lie/change her story about these events as she did--to get money is a travesty for all those who are truly victims of any sexual assault or harassment. It's a shame that for whatever reason your aunts case was not proven, I would believe that being raped and beaten would be easy to prove as they both leave physical evidence behind. It is important to keep the facts straight, otherwise charges, arrests, laws are made based on fiction, and where does that leave the real victims? It is irresponsible to take the word of a columnist who cannot even use the facts of the case for his skewed story. I KNOW what sexual assault does to a person. It affects you every single day of your life in someway. It makes you feel insecure. You question your sanity. You believe things about yourself that are not true. It fucks with your head and it hurts--deeply. TRUST ME, I get it. But I respect the courts to do the job in which they are tasked and in this case the piece that the columnist dredged up can only be read as fiction. I used proven because those are your words in your posts. I really hope that I am wrong about your attitude, but when I read your posts they read as if you are defending Manning. Honestly, I really don't care at this point, but clearly you touched a nerve with me. I will not go into the gory details of my aunt's assault, but she was beaten so badly that she was unrecognizable. Trust me, it was and still is hard for me to believe that her assault could not be "proven." I just know from my family member's experience that things can happen and then not be able to be "proven." Of course, this was over 30 years ago before dna testing was being used. I'm so sorry about your aunt; that is a travesty of justice for her. I'm always dumbfounded when things are so crystal clear and are rejected and when criminals can hide behind loopholes and laws to get them off. I'm passionate for the facts and truth. It touches a nerve in me when (like kymberlee succinctly summarized up thread) people try to manipulate, lie, and change stories, or irresponsible media makes up an account of an incident and skews fact for sensationalism. I'm not a defender of rapists, sexual offenders et al. I just like to have the facts in the order that they happened. In our climate today, 5 year olds are being suspended from school because they " make physical contact with others" (hug someone), Jr. high/ high school boys and girls mooning/flashing, texting semi/full naked photos, "pantsing" kids are being labeled as sex offenders, men and women in the workplace are being fired or disciplined for sexual harassment because they tell a co-worker that they look nice in an outfit or make what used to be an innocent compliment because we often loose sight of the real true crimes of sexual assaults and sexual harassment when we loose common sense and run to label everything under one umbrella. It's hard enough for anyone going through that process, either being a victim of assault or even being wrongly accused without having to deal with untruths, fiction, and lies. It's very important now, more than ever that people look at the facts as they happen, so that we can prosecute the real offenders, and keep the laws realistic so that they do help the victims.
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Post by Laurie on Feb 17, 2016 16:10:19 GMT
So now this lady is being portrayed as going after deep pockets for money? This was all fabricated for money?
I simply don't care enough about Peyton to keep arguing about it. Short of a video coming out proving that he was in fact mooning someone I am not buying into the aww shucks golly gee good ol' boy anymore.
Heck even if he truly was just mooning someone wtf does that in front of a woman anyway?
I am fairly confident that in years to come there will be many more instances brought to light proving the guy is not so squeaky clean like he is being portrayed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2016 16:26:39 GMT
Not every sexual assault can be proven beyond a shadow of doubt. The fact that they COULD substantiate 4 out of 33 claims is impressive to me rather than they couldn't prove the other. And it is very possible when she originally made the claim that she did hold back some knowing there could be retaliation/retribution if she did point directly at him. He was the son of a famous football family/player. It may have just been a mooning when she made the original complaint, but it sounds like the harassment was allowed to continue (why else would UT have settled for anything?).
I don't know anything about her other lawsuits. She was a lady working in a man's world. A world where college admins/football coaches etc will stick up for their "boys" no matter what. They will cover up bad behavior (can anyone say Johnny Football Manziel from my own alma mater? or the Penn State issue or Jameis at Florida State?) So it's really not to hard to believe -- especially when PM then goes on to "out" it in his own book. What an idiotic move since he (and/or UT) had any type of non-disclosure agreement. That's just hubris beyond arrogance.
I'm not saying you always believe the victim, but papercrafteradvocate, you seem to be doing everything to stick up for PM and shame this lady.
And I think it was a very bad move to "promote" the beer at the end of his career knowing that he owns two beer distributorships, even though it is against NFL policies/rules. That just shows more of his (not so) "great" character. But honestly football players aren't my heroes. Not even someone like Tim Tebow. Not someone like PM. Not someone like Tom Brady. All they are is football players, even if they seem to have a squeaky reputation.
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