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Post by lisacharlotte on Apr 6, 2016 17:18:34 GMT
I can only go by my own personal experience. I grew up with alcoholics and potheads. Nothing good ever came out of either of those situations. I don't have any issue with using pot for actual medical issues, but that's not the majority that is getting medical mj. I choose not to share my life with people who can't handle the world sober (drugs and alcohol).
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Post by flute4peace on Apr 6, 2016 17:19:04 GMT
^^^ maybe it was horrible, but using the internet's not illegal where you live. Is it? Why do people in this thread persist in making this a philosophical argument and ignoring the fact that marijuana is illegal where the OP's niece lives?!? Because the law isn't the only arbiter of if I think something is okay and/or a reasonable risk even with considering that it's illegal. For me, the law is a factor but not the final decision. I'm the same way, except on the other side. There are things I feel are damaging and dangerous even though they ARE legal, so just because something is legal it doesn't mean it's ok IMHO.
I also feel that doing something even though you know it's illegal is a slippery slope.
I ALSO feel that there are legitimate exceptions to every blanket statement and opinion. I have an online friend who's daughter suffered severely with a dangerous seizure disorder. There were tests being done on using MM to relieve some symptoms, and it was looking somewhat hopeful. The Mom was just starting to look into how she could work it into her daughter's regimen of care under the supervision of the child's team of doctors, when the girl passed away.
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Post by Sparki on Apr 6, 2016 17:24:04 GMT
I have a friend who has been an OR nurse form decades, recently retiring after being head of the Operating Room. She is a regular pot smoker, and has been since the 60's. For what it's worth.
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Post by missmiss on Apr 6, 2016 17:38:11 GMT
Freebird Montana That’s not really surprising, however, for when you look at the statistics you’ll find that most people are between the ages of 51 and 60, or 28.7% of all patients. www.bigskywords.com/montana-blog/the-montana-cannabis-industry-association-meeting-in-missoulaOregon Medical patients also “report a higher amount (in grams) consumed and spend more money per month than recreational users,” according to the study. But the average age of a patients’ first medical marijuana use was 32 years old — nearly double that of a recreational user’s age of first use, 18 years old, according to the study. www.speedweed.com/category/oregon/Overall *Use is heaviest in the 25-44 year age group. blog.norml.org/2011/07/21/who-are-americas-medical-marijuana-patients/Not the 18-25 age group like you said but I am sure you can find something different. But I can keep going with research to show differently to your statistics. What I find funny is that all the regular pills people pop daily is okay since a Dr prescribed them. That doctors receive big money from the pharmaceutical industry is no surprise. The latest data released by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services shows that such interactions are widespread, with not only doctors, but thousands of dentists, optometrists, podiatrists and chiropractors receiving at least one industry payment from August 2013 to December 2014. Down the road in the "rich" area a lot of those high school students are selling perscription drugs NOT WEED and they get away with it. Where do they get them. hhmmm Their parents who are on them. Go figure. www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/07/01/419206613/industry-payments-to-doctors-are-ingrained-federal-data-showSmoking pot all day every day yeah that is bad. But if it is used after work in the afternoon to relax who cares. How many of your husbands come home and open up beer after work to help them relax? How many of you open up that wine bottle after a stressful day and have some wine? Oh wait don't smoke the weed though that is bad and evil. People who smoke weed don't amount to anything and are lazy. I guess these people didn't get the memo about smoking pot and being lazy Steve Jobs Carl Sagan Stephen Jay Gould Francis Crick Andrew Weil Kary Mullis Oliver Sacks Richard Feynman I can keep going. Just because you smoke weed doesn't mean anything. You are your own person with your drive and ambitions that come from within. Smoking weed doesn't make you not go to your college class. You being lazy and not wanting to go does. Smoking weed doesn't make you not want to go to work. You being lazy and not wanting to go to work is the reason. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 6, 2016 17:39:23 GMT
<snip> If it came down to taking Rx or smoking pot I would chose pot. I think doctors throw RX way more often than they should - Rx drugs are way more harmful and addicting to pot - look at the side effects of 99.999% of RX drugs. ^^^ That's not true at all! Not all Rx drugs are 'way more harmful and addicting' than marijuana, by a long shot! As for the side effects of [some] Rx drugs making them so seemingly dangerous: Not every Rx drug side effect is harmful, and not every side effect will *for sure* happen to every person who takes the drug. With ANY medication, the patient and their doctor have to look at the benefit to risk ratio to determine whether taking that medication is the best course of action for that condition. Pharmaceutical companies are REQUIRED to list all of the possible side effects of any drug that's approved for use by the FDA. There haven't BEEN any clinical trials about marijuana to even find OUT what all its possible side effects are- therefore, they aren't known and can't be publicized. That does NOT mean that smoking marijuana doesn't HAVE any side effects; it only means we don't know what all of them are. If it's smoked, at the very least the smoking aspect brings with it the same issues for your lungs, etc. that smoking anything else does. If someone is choosing to self-medicate for a long term issue with ANY substance and not getting a doctor's opinion about whether it's the best way to help their issue-- for anxiety, back pain, whatever it is-- that's not very smart, in my opinion. Even ibuprofen, aspirin, and acetaminophen can negatively affect your physiology after long-term use. And like someone else said- if a doctor actually recommended 'self medicating' anxiety with alcohol, that's pretty stupid too, in my opinion. |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Apr 6, 2016 17:42:31 GMT
We're discussing addiction, not legality. Nope- that wasn't specified in the original post; the thread turned INTO that, but that's not how the original post read, at all. Here is the actual question that was posed: "Would you be concerned if your 20 yo niece smoked pot daily?" Nowhere did it say she was only asking about the issue of whether it's addictive or not. not discussing legality. If you are, maybe you would have better discourse by addressing your posts to someone else? |
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Post by coaliesquirrel on Apr 6, 2016 17:47:12 GMT
You're her aunt? Unless she lives in your house, it's none of your business. She's an adult and not your responsibility. She's free to make her own decisions, even if they're bad ones. I know this is a hot-button issue for me and that my opinions are in the minority, but this is just so foreign to me that it gets me every time. Why WOULDN'T a family member care for and worry about a loved one if they felt damaging choices were being made? I don't have any first-hand experience with drugs/alcohol/addiction, but I thought that's what the families were supposed to do. Isn't that what an intervention is? How many recovering addicts would be recovering if their families hadn't intervened?
I don't care if I'm 20 years old, 40 years old, 60 or 80 - if I were starting down a dangerous path I sure as heck hope my family would care enough to intervene. We're close, we care about each other's lives and we look out for each other. I can't imagine anything else (unless, of course, there were other underlying issues).
I stopped and replied to this particular comment (and it's nothing personal), so the thread may have taken a completely different turn, but I took the O/P's post as asking for information as to what seems to be the "norm", as she's concerned about her niece and was trying to find out more information.
But I also know I'm naïve and live in a bubble so...
To the O/P, if that's the environment in my area, I'm not aware of it. I would be concerned.
Your view of the problem is different from mine. You're looking at it as a serious addiction. I see it as maybe a dumb choice, but not overly different from subsisting on nothing but Cheetos and Dr. Pepper or playing video games all day. Sure, possibly not a great decision on her part, but most 20yos make bad decisions sometimes, and most grow out of it. It's a learning experience. |
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Post by ginacivey on Apr 6, 2016 17:51:27 GMT
I think we might be close in age. Hasn't pot changed quite a bit since you were in college? I believe it is more potent now. I'm no expert, but I don't think it is quite the same. I have some great friends who smoked a lot of it back in college (some still do-legal here). They say it is stronger. One of my friend's parents (who are big pot users and were headed on vacation to Colorado, hence the conversation) was saying that the stuff they can buy legally is WAY more potent than the stuff they can buy on the street in their state where only medical is legal. The dad is working on getting his medical card (does have legit need, in addition to being a pot user), but they live in a pretty rural area and one healthcare network dominates the area. That network has disallowed their physicians from prescribing medical MJ, even though it is legal in the state. He is moving to a new practice in the next month to get established so he can eventually get legal medical marijuana for his legitimate major back and pain issues (truly legit, I've known him several years and through a lot of major surgeries). Imagine a healthcare network saying their doctors couldn't provide Oxy, even though it's legal in the state. This is an interesting time for the legalization of marijuana and it will also be interesting to look back on it in a couple of decades, just like we do a lot of other social issues. I do consider the prohibition more of a social issue than a medical or scientific one. kinda like the drs that refuse to prescribe sudafed...or the counties that legislated an OTC drug into a restricted, RX drug |
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Post by Dalai Mama on Apr 6, 2016 17:55:01 GMT
We're discussing addiction, not legality. Actually, the O/P's questions were if it was common among 20 yr olds, and if we would be concerned if our family member was doing it.
Maybe it's just me, but both addiction and legality would be huge concerns if my family member was doing it. Especially if the girl had already flunked out of school because of it.
And freebird and I (we) were discussing addiction, not legality. Again, if someone wants to discuss legality, indicating a conversation that isn't addressing it and criticizing our persistence in having a 'philosophical argument' isn't going to make that happen. If our (again, mine and freebird's) conversation wasn't meeting crimson's needs, she was welcome to look elsewhere. |
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Post by missmiss on Apr 6, 2016 17:55:52 GMT
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Post by flute4peace on Apr 6, 2016 17:58:40 GMT
I know this is a hot-button issue for me and that my opinions are in the minority, but this is just so foreign to me that it gets me every time. Why WOULDN'T a family member care for and worry about a loved one if they felt damaging choices were being made? I don't have any first-hand experience with drugs/alcohol/addiction, but I thought that's what the families were supposed to do. Isn't that what an intervention is? How many recovering addicts would be recovering if their families hadn't intervened?
I don't care if I'm 20 years old, 40 years old, 60 or 80 - if I were starting down a dangerous path I sure as heck hope my family would care enough to intervene. We're close, we care about each other's lives and we look out for each other. I can't imagine anything else (unless, of course, there were other underlying issues).
I stopped and replied to this particular comment (and it's nothing personal), so the thread may have taken a completely different turn, but I took the O/P's post as asking for information as to what seems to be the "norm", as she's concerned about her niece and was trying to find out more information.
But I also know I'm naïve and live in a bubble so...
To the O/P, if that's the environment in my area, I'm not aware of it. I would be concerned.
Your view of the problem is different from mine. You're looking at it as a serious addiction. I see it as maybe a dumb choice, but not overly different from subsisting on nothing but Cheetos and Dr. Pepper or playing video games all day. Sure, possibly not a great decision on her part, but most 20yos make bad decisions sometimes, and most grow out of it. It's a learning experience. Yea, I see it completely differently, that even starting down the path of potential addiction is a bad idea, since one doesn't know if they're going to become addicted until it's too late. If you know it has the potential to destroy your life, why take that chance?
I do realize that not everyone holds the same view.
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Post by flute4peace on Apr 6, 2016 18:02:13 GMT
One of my friend's parents (who are big pot users and were headed on vacation to Colorado, hence the conversation) was saying that the stuff they can buy legally is WAY more potent than the stuff they can buy on the street in their state where only medical is legal. The dad is working on getting his medical card (does have legit need, in addition to being a pot user), but they live in a pretty rural area and one healthcare network dominates the area. That network has disallowed their physicians from prescribing medical MJ, even though it is legal in the state. He is moving to a new practice in the next month to get established so he can eventually get legal medical marijuana for his legitimate major back and pain issues (truly legit, I've known him several years and through a lot of major surgeries). Imagine a healthcare network saying their doctors couldn't provide Oxy, even though it's legal in the state. This is an interesting time for the legalization of marijuana and it will also be interesting to look back on it in a couple of decades, just like we do a lot of other social issues. I do consider the prohibition more of a social issue than a medical or scientific one. kinda like the drs that refuse to prescribe sudafed...or the counties that legislated an OTC drug into a restricted, RX drug Meth is a big problem in my area. I don't mind having to get Sudafed from the pharmacy, if it helps in the fight. I would, however, be upset if I really needed it and my dr wouldn't prescribe it. Maybe they could have prerequisites for prescribing, like if the patient presents with green gunk coming out of their nose, it's a valid rx.
It's a tough situation all around.
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 6, 2016 18:19:23 GMT
My thoughts are why does anyone just take a medication, any medication, for anxiety and not accompany it with psychotherapy? It is not normal or healthy to just be on anxiety meds forever and not address the underlying causes. Damn, we have become such a drug-dependent culture. In a perfect world where it's easy to pay for therapy and people have the luxury of being able to set aside the time that is needed for it to work, I agree. Anxiety or depression meds at least get them through the day. I cannot understand why it is a good idea for a CNA to smoke pot to help with anxiety. It's illegal in her state. It is not controlled in any way. She has no idea what she is buying. Because of that she is more susceptible to damaging her body because of heavy lifting or putting the patient at risk. Drug tests are common in the health care field and where I use to work, it was immediate termination. By all means keep smoking pot and know she can lose her job any day. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 18:23:20 GMT
Without reading past page one, my opinion on medical marijuana is that if it truly helps, then I'm all for it. It's a drug that should be treated and dispensed just like any other medication that can impair a person's ability.
However, as long as your state says it's illegal, even for medical purposes, then it's illegal and she should quit before it impacts her future. If she wants to further her career, then she needs to quit before she applies for nursing school. Testing positive could lead to her losing her job, even if it doesn't require drug testing.
If she does need medication, then she should be under a doctor's care who is prescribing any medication (marijuana or not) through legal means.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 6, 2016 18:32:08 GMT
LOTS of people, including doctors (I can think of 3 off the top of my head that my friends have personally told me about), recommend self-medicating with alcohol to take the edge off when someone has low grade anxiety/stress and doesn't have risk factors for addiction. Those 3 friends have all been told they should have a nightly glass of wine - one of the friends was in the 3rd trimester of pregnancy when her OB told her that. I'm SUCH a fan of prescription medications. I'm so glad they exist. But for a lot of things, there is solid proof that marijuana is as or more effective and extremely low risk for addiction. There just isn't a way for big companies to monetize it right now (it's coming though). Look up the stats on the effectiveness of anti-depressants on mild to moderate depression - they're a joke when you look at the research. And they have serious risks for many people. I've never smoked pot in my life, but I just don't get the stigma. It isn't the gateway drug that "we" used to think it was (for people not prone to addiction, and if you're prone to addiction prescription pills can be a problem too), it's low risk, and it is proven effective and safe for many treatments. I think in 20 years, this fight over marijuana - particularly medical marijuana - will be look like abolition does to us now, but maybe even worse because it was keeping people from an effective medical treatment, not just enjoying a drink. If a doctor is recommending something, it's not truly self-medicating even though alcohol isn't by prescription. That said, I'd have nothing more to do ever with any piece of shit doctor that told patients to start drinking to relieve stress. Jesus. Especially in pregnancy. Wtf?! Unless I heard from the doctor myself, I would tend to think that the person was just looking to justify their use. If the doctor did actually say that I would stop seeing them. |
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 6, 2016 20:05:54 GMT
I can only go by my own personal experience. I grew up with alcoholics and potheads. Nothing good ever came out of either of those situations. I don't have any issue with using pot for actual medical issues, but that's not the majority that is getting medical mj. I choose not to share my life with people who can't handle the world sober (drugs and alcohol). This has been the experience in my family and DH's as well. ALL SEVEN of my siblings smoked pot. Almost all of them continued on to use harder substances. Not all of them made it out alive. Some are still addicted to pot and/or alcohol and still use daily even decades later. It isn't legal recreationally where we live. All I have seen it lead to are wasted people, wasted lives, wasted opportunities. I am the only one out of eight that never smoked, never did drugs and didn't drink until I was (almost) of age because I saw what it did up close and personal, and now I don't even do that. Both of DH's parents were functioning alcoholics, they weren't fun to be around and now both are dead due in part to their addiction. I'm very worried that my child will be genetically predisposed toward addiction based on the family history on both sides. It scares me to death. |
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Post by anonrefugee on Apr 6, 2016 20:18:59 GMT
If the niece has anxiety "issues" she needs to see a doctor, not self medicate. You wouldn't suggest she self medicate with alcohol so why pot? However, she's not your kid and there's nothing you can do about HER actions. I'd let her know I don't approve though and I would tell her that if I find out she's doing it before work, etc that I'd turn her in. Why put patients at risk because she has "anxiety" that needs treated? LOTS of people, including doctors (I can think of 3 off the top of my head that my friends have personally told me about), recommend self-medicating with alcohol to take the edge off when someone has low grade anxiety/stress and doesn't have risk factors for addiction. Those 3 friends have all been told they should have a nightly glass of wine - one of the friends was in the 3rd trimester of pregnancy when her OB told her that. I'm SUCH a fan of prescription medications. I'm so glad they exist. But for a lot of things, there is solid proof that marijuana is as or more effective and extremely low risk for addiction. There just isn't a way for big companies to monetize it right now (it's coming though). Look up the stats on the effectiveness of anti-depressants on mild to moderate depression - they're a joke when you look at the research. And they have serious risks for many people. I've never smoked pot in my life, but I just don't get the stigma. It isn't the gateway drug that "we" used to think it was (for people not prone to addiction, and if you're prone to addiction prescription pills can be a problem too), it's low risk, and it is proven effective and safe for many treatments. I think in 20 years, this fight over marijuana - particularly medical marijuana - will be look like abolition does to us now, but maybe even worse because it was keeping people from an effective medical treatment, not just enjoying a drink. In your examples the doctor suggested wine. That's different than self-prescribing, or self-medicating, as the OP's niece is doing. And why many are suggesting she consider professional help. Fwiw I agree with your other points. Marijuana should be legalized and the market could be be improved by some controls. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2016 20:20:54 GMT
I have heard more stories about people like polargreen's cousin than I have about healthy, productive people using marijuana in a safe and responsible way. People who say they need the pot to help with anxiety,, stress, etc. Whether it is legit that they have significant anxiety or not, they are not going to school, not meeting expectations at home and in the community, and their relationships are suffering. So, is that "medicine" working? I would personally advocate for non-medicinal ways to treat anxiety before starting any medication, but unfortunately that is not where many in our society want to look first. Also, Xanax, Ativan and Valium are not the only anti-anxiety medications and not the first choice for medications that are taken regularly. But there are tons of stories out there about people who smoked pot and were successful, productive people...it just isn't talked about a lot because of the stigma attached. When I was in college, we all (my people) smoked pot fairly regularly. We all managed to hold part time jobs, go to school, graduate and go on to hold jobs, have families and in general be a functioning member of society. It does happen, but in my saying these things people form different opinions of me. I am your basic, run of the mill soccer mom that if you met me today you would have no clue about my past. I am not ashamed of who I was, and I don't smoke now (or in many many years) but the reality is that most of my group is exactly the same way. A couple of lawyers, successful businesspeople, teachers, a lobbiest, etc. would belie the idea that people can't do both. What do I personally want for my own children who are in that age range? I would prefer that they smoke pot to drink. I imagine that both of mine have at the very least tried it, and where I would be concerned is if it started impacted their day to day life. Holy blanket statements. You could read through 2 pages of the 2peas board and see a lot of them are discussing family members or friends who are exhibiting these behaviors and not one of them have said the person is smoking pot Those behaviors are human behaviors not drug behaviors I agree with anxiousmom. I think people would be surprised that a lot of functional people are taking illegal and legal drugs at all kinds of levels. And then there are people who take nothing and are complete morons Blanket statements are hard to make just focusing on one aspect of a person. To create a dysfunctional or functional person usually has a mix of biological, social and psychological factors in play, not just one thing like smoking pot |
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Post by missmiss on Apr 6, 2016 20:40:59 GMT
This thread cracks me up. We should just make alcohol, tobacco, and any other prescription drug illegal as well. My grandfather died of lung cancer from smoking, some friends died in a DUI crash from alcohol, and well yeah prescription pills the most addictive including Adderall, Xanax, Codeine. How many people have died from prescription pills vs weed? You want to talk about being addicted but why not speak out and against alcohol? It is more addictive and kills more people yearly than marijuana. But hey weed is the gateway drug to bigger things. You all sound like the broken DARE program that implemented back in the 80's with Reagan big crackdown on drugs. Are there people who are addicted to weed sure not as many as you think. Look at the research for that one. But that is just like any other drug mentioned above that are all legal. If the girl smokes a little a day what harm is it doing as long as she is a productive part of society. Since it is illegal where she is she needs to be careful since it could lead her to being arrested. But her smoking weed in no way says she is going to amount to nothing. There have been Nobel Peace Prize winners who have smoked weed, Some of the smartest people in the world who have smoked weed and still smoke it, even some major CEO's of major corporations that smoke or have smoked weed. Marijuana being a schedule 1 drug is ridiculousness as well. the DEA is looking at maybe reclassifying it. Amazing. www.pressherald.com/2016/04/06/dea-considering-whether-to-reclassify-marijuana-to-reflect-current-thinking/Abusing any drug is bad legal or illegal. But if someone wants to take a toke of marijuana that is their choice to make and it doesn't make them the dregs of society. According to the Surgeon General, women should not drink alcoholic beverages during pregnancy because of the risk of birth defects. Consumption of alcoholic beverages impairs your ability to drive a car or operate machinery, and may cause health problems. WARNING: Cigarettes are addictive. WARNING: Tobacco smoke can harm your children. WARNING: Cigarettes cause fatal lung disease. WARNING: Cigarettes cause cancer. WARNING: Cigarettes cause strokes and heart disease. WARNING: Smoking during pregnancy can harm your baby. WARNING: Smoking can kill you. WARNING: Tobacco smoke causes fatal lung disease in nonsmokers. WARNING: Quitting smoking now greatly reduces serious risks to your health. Are there any benefits to alcohol and cigarettes? These two things are legal and very harmful. Watch out if you smoke weed you won't become a productive member of society because people know someone who it happened to. |
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Post by not2peased on Apr 6, 2016 20:55:03 GMT
the concern I would have about daily use is this: it's an expensive habit for a 20 year old-that money could likely be going toward other/better things
Pot makes you lazy (generally speaking) and kind of dumb when used all the time-so that would concern me as well.
I'd also be concerned if she is smoking it-that's bad for her lungs. if she must use, it should be edibles or at least a vaporizer
personally, I think pot is a MUCH better choice than alcohol so I do consider it the lesser of two evils.
if someone has their shit together, pays their own way and is generally responsible I don't really care if they smoke pot or not
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Post by StephDRebel on Apr 6, 2016 21:01:33 GMT
Cessation of prolonged marijuana use can lead to irritability, sleep issues, mood issues and restlessness. You really want to compare that to withdrawal from alcohol?
Just because you deem one withdraw worst than the other doesn't mean that they're not both withdraw I mean, actually you can compare. They're both withdrawal with very real, physical effects. It's pretty easy to make a comparison. |
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Post by missmiss on Apr 6, 2016 21:11:12 GMT
the concern I would have about daily use is this: it's an expensive habit for a 20 year old-that money could likely be going toward other/better things Pot makes you lazy (generally speaking) and kind of dumb when used all the time-so that would concern me as well. I'd also be concerned if she is smoking it-that's bad for her lungs. if she must use, it should be edibles or at least a vaporizer personally, I think pot is a MUCH better choice than alcohol so I do consider it the lesser of two evils. if someone has their shit together, pays their own way and is generally responsible I don't really care if they smoke pot or not If it makes you dumb then how can so many genius scientists use it and do not become dumb? www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/18/scientists-have-found-that-smoking-weed-does-not-make-you-stupid-after-all/ |
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Post by missmiss on Apr 6, 2016 21:21:51 GMT
Just because you deem one withdraw worst than the other doesn't mean that they're not both withdraw I mean, actually you can compare. They're both withdrawal with very real, physical effects. It's pretty easy to make a comparison. Here are the withdrawals from alcohol. Which seem worse? Minor alcohol withdrawal symptoms often appear 6 to 12 hours after a person stops drinking. Sometimes a person will still have a measurable blood alcohol level when symptoms start. These symptoms include: Shaky hands Sweating Mild anxiety Nausea Vomiting Headache Insomnia Between 12 and 24 hours after they stop drinking, some patients may experience visual, auditory, or tactile hallucinations. These usually end within 48 hours. DTs usually begin between 48 and 72 hours after drinking has stopped, Risk factors for DTs include a history of withdrawal seizures or DTs, acute medical illness, abnormal liver function, and older age. Symptoms of DTs, which usually peak at 5 days, include: Disorientation, confusion, and severe anxiety Hallucinations (primarily visual) which cannot be distinguished from reality Profuse sweating Seizures High blood pressure Racing and irregular heartbeat Severe tremors Low-grade fever I think I can say alcohol withdrawals are a lot worse. |
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Post by tiffanytwisted on Apr 6, 2016 21:40:39 GMT
As usual, a lively discussion!
To answer your question OP, yes I would be concerned. No, it's not what 20 year olds do. Some, sure. But not all.
And I'm also in the camp that while you can't make anyone do or not do anything, if she told you herself then you'd be remiss by not sharing your concerns with her. She may not listen, but as someone who cares about her, I see nothing wrong w/talking to her about it.
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Post by flute4peace on Apr 6, 2016 21:43:26 GMT
This thread cracks me up. We should just make alcohol, tobacco, and any other prescription drug illegal as well. My grandfather died of lung cancer from smoking, some friends died in a DUI crash from alcohol, and well yeah prescription pills the most addictive including Adderall, Xanax, Codeine. How many people have died from prescription pills vs weed? You want to talk about being addicted but why not speak out and against alcohol? It is more addictive and kills more people yearly than marijuana. But hey weed is the gateway drug to bigger things. You all sound like the broken DARE program that implemented back in the 80's with Reagan big crackdown on drugs. Are there people who are addicted to weed sure not as many as you think. Look at the research for that one. But that is just like any other drug mentioned above that are all legal. If the girl smokes a little a day what harm is it doing as long as she is a productive part of society. Since it is illegal where she is she needs to be careful since it could lead her to being arrested. But her smoking weed in no way says she is going to amount to nothing. There have been Nobel Peace Prize winners who have smoked weed, Some of the smartest people in the world who have smoked weed and still smoke it, even some major CEO's of major corporations that smoke or have smoked weed. Marijuana being a schedule 1 drug is ridiculousness as well. the DEA is looking at maybe reclassifying it. Amazing. www.pressherald.com/2016/04/06/dea-considering-whether-to-reclassify-marijuana-to-reflect-current-thinking/Abusing any drug is bad legal or illegal. But if someone wants to take a toke of marijuana that is their choice to make and it doesn't make them the dregs of society. According to the Surgeon General, women should not drink alcoholic beverages during pregnancy because of the risk of birth defects. Consumption of alcoholic beverages impairs your ability to drive a car or operate machinery, and may cause health problems. WARNING: Cigarettes are addictive. WARNING: Tobacco smoke can harm your children. WARNING: Cigarettes cause fatal lung disease. WARNING: Cigarettes cause cancer. WARNING: Cigarettes cause strokes and heart disease. WARNING: Smoking during pregnancy can harm your baby. WARNING: Smoking can kill you. WARNING: Tobacco smoke causes fatal lung disease in nonsmokers. WARNING: Quitting smoking now greatly reduces serious risks to your health. Are there any benefits to alcohol and cigarettes? These two things are legal and very harmful. Watch out if you smoke weed you won't become a productive member of society because people know someone who it happened to. In light of this, I feel that I should clarify.
I would be concerned about a family member who was engaging in behavior that has the potential to make a shambles of their life, be it smoking pot, using other legal meds without being under a doctor's care, gargling marbles, whatever. I'm an equal opportunity concerned family member.
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Post by peasapie on Apr 6, 2016 21:47:30 GMT
I would not be concerned.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Apr 6, 2016 21:53:02 GMT
Just because you deem one withdraw worst than the other doesn't mean that they're not both withdraw I mean, actually you can compare. They're both withdrawal with very real, physical effects. It's pretty easy to make a comparison. I guess it would depend on what you mean by real physical effects. Withdrawal from pot can make you irritable; you might have issues sleeping. Withdrawal from alcohol can kill you. Comparable? No, not really. |
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 6, 2016 23:52:36 GMT
I know someone in her 20's that does it and goes to work (banking). She drives there. If anyone tokes and is impaired (no argument--it DOES impair your judgment) and they wreck and hurt someone, then what???
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 7, 2016 0:00:17 GMT
I've only read the OP, I would be concerned that she could lose her job. That said, it is not your business.
I live in a state where it is legal and while I would judge someone who smoked pot like that, I wouldn't be concerned.
Neither dh or I smoke pot due to our employment. Legal or not in colorado, it is against my contract.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 7, 2016 0:07:52 GMT
^^^ maybe it was horrible, but using the internet's not illegal where you live. Is it? Why do people in this thread persist in making this a philosophical argument and ignoring the fact that marijuana is illegal where the OP's niece lives?!? We're discussing addiction, not legality. I thought the op asked if we would be concerned. |
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