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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 0:32:40 GMT
My sister was a prescription drug user due to her depression and anxiety. She died from liver failure due to her over consumption and various doctors over prescribing pills.
Personally, I would rather see someone smoke a plant versus taking a chemical substance if it helps that person get relief from depression or anxiety and live a happier, stable life. Don't get me wrong, modern medicine has been a God-send for some areas but too many doctors and pharmaceutical companies are not thorough enough with their patients or their research to insure patient safety for the long-term.
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Post by flute4peace on Apr 7, 2016 0:43:20 GMT
I know someone in her 20's that does it and goes to work (banking). She drives there. If anyone tokes and is impaired (no argument--it DOES impair your judgment) and they wreck and hurt someone, then what??? From what I understand, it depends on the state. When the state next to us legalized, there was discussion, because there weren't really any "legal limits" and that opened a whole can of issues in terms of charges/laws. That has been several years ago, however, and has surely been addressed since. It would be interesting to know what the different state's laws are on this.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 7, 2016 0:54:31 GMT
I know someone in her 20's that does it and goes to work (banking). She drives there. If anyone tokes and is impaired (no argument--it DOES impair your judgment) and they wreck and hurt someone, then what??? From what I understand, it depends on the state. When the state next to us legalized, there was discussion, because there weren't really any "legal limits" and that opened a whole can of issues in terms of charges/laws. That has been several years ago, however, and has surely been addressed since. It would be interesting to know what the different state's laws are on this. There are limits in colorado. 5 something or other. You can also be charged with child abuse if your kid is in the car. There is also a penalty if you refuse to submit to the blood test. Here is a link www.codot.gov/safety/alcohol-and-impaired-driving/druggeddriving/marijuana-and-driving
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Post by flute4peace on Apr 7, 2016 1:02:58 GMT
From what I understand, it depends on the state. When the state next to us legalized, there was discussion, because there weren't really any "legal limits" and that opened a whole can of issues in terms of charges/laws. That has been several years ago, however, and has surely been addressed since. It would be interesting to know what the different state's laws are on this. There are limits in colorado. 5 something or other. You can also be charged with child abuse if your kid is in the car. There is also a penalty if you refuse to submit to the blood test. Here is a link www.codot.gov/safety/alcohol-and-impaired-driving/druggeddriving/marijuana-and-drivingGood info, thanks!!
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Post by kate on Apr 7, 2016 2:00:09 GMT
I have no real opinion about the relative addictive properties of prescription/non-prescription anxiety relief products (LOL)
I do have strong opinions about buying and using illegal substances (and his would apply equally to alcohol if it were illegal!) - She is taking a risk every time she lights up, because she doesn't know exactly what's in the pot she's bought. There is no governing body like the USP keeping her dealer honest about what's in it. - She could lose her job through a drug test or police bust (the latter being unlikely, of course...) - She may be helping others ruin their lives in the illegal drug trade.
These risks would also apply to legal medications if purchased and used illegally - they are not marijuana-specific.
It would be better to use a legal substance in her situation, I think. But I am not she. And she is a big girl and will have to make some hard decisions for herself.
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Post by maryland on Apr 7, 2016 2:14:55 GMT
My DD is 19 and doesn't smoke anything (that I'm aware of). She is at college and got a roommate who seemed really sweet when her mom as well as DH and I were around. Granted, she does have a medical marijuana card supposedly, but DD said she was smoking it all the time. We're in CA so it's only legal with the card and the girl told DD that she lied to get it. DD had listed non-smoker on her request sheet for a roommate. Needless to say, the roommate situation didn't last long since this girl partied like there was no tomorrow. All that to say, I don't think it's an age thing. However, many in DD's small college community do it. That doesn't make it right IMO. I would be concerned by as your niece, I wouldn't do much about it if I were you. My daughter is a freshman at a large university and it's very common there too. I was shocked!
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 7, 2016 2:26:42 GMT
One of my friend's parents (who are big pot users and were headed on vacation to Colorado, hence the conversation) was saying that the stuff they can buy legally is WAY more potent than the stuff they can buy on the street in their state where only medical is legal. The dad is working on getting his medical card (does have legit need, in addition to being a pot user), but they live in a pretty rural area and one healthcare network dominates the area. That network has disallowed their physicians from prescribing medical MJ, even though it is legal in the state. He is moving to a new practice in the next month to get established so he can eventually get legal medical marijuana for his legitimate major back and pain issues (truly legit, I've known him several years and through a lot of major surgeries). Imagine a healthcare network saying their doctors couldn't provide Oxy, even though it's legal in the state. This is an interesting time for the legalization of marijuana and it will also be interesting to look back on it in a couple of decades, just like we do a lot of other social issues. I do consider the prohibition more of a social issue than a medical or scientific one. I can see that there are definitely pros and cons on the issue so states should look at it carefully. Many people in the state thought it would be good for collecting taxes, but have seen other downfalls and costs to legalizing it. I know the increase of housing costs in Denver is a major problem since the influx of smokers arrived. We have articles in our paper all of the time. I think the housing issues are related more to the boom in the oil and gas industry. We have gotten a lot of taxes, unfortunately TABOR also kicked in. We voted to leave it to the state, but I still got a credit on my taxes.
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Post by berty on Apr 7, 2016 3:07:51 GMT
The OP has already said it's not a 'bullshit excuse' - the girl needs medication for anxiety. And marijuana is often prescribed for anxiety. So why the issue with marijuana and not something like Xanax, Valium, or Ativan - drugs that are also prescribed for anxiety with much worse side-effects? Here's my opinion- I see it as an issue for a few reasons. First, the medicines you listed would have to be prescribed by a doctor. Thus, she'd have someone over-seeing her treatment. They can advise her about dosage levels, etc. Second, those meds are regulated by laws, so the purity of the ingredients and safety are ensured. That can't be said of the stuff she buys off the street corner. Third, anyone who works in a medical setting should not be using illegal drugs. People who work in fields where there is a potential for them to cause serious harm to others need to be held by their employers, and by themselves, to very high standards of conduct. That applies to people who work in the medical field, drive big rigs or school buses, etc.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 7, 2016 3:47:10 GMT
I can see that there are definitely pros and cons on the issue so states should look at it carefully. Many people in the state thought it would be good for collecting taxes, but have seen other downfalls and costs to legalizing it. I know the increase of housing costs in Denver is a major problem since the influx of smokers arrived. We have articles in our paper all of the time. I think the housing issues are related more to the boom in the oil and gas industry. We have gotten a lot of taxes, unfortunately TABOR also kicked in. We voted to leave it to the state, but I still got a credit on my taxes. Our paper paints a different picture. I think it was over 200,000 people in 2014. It didn't have to do with oil and gas (from the articles I have read). And then there is always this issue. I think there are many things to consider other than taxes before a state agrees to legalize it. Again, I think it has its place with medicinal. www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26216037/legal-pot-blamed-some-influx-homeless-this-summer
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Apr 7, 2016 4:14:42 GMT
I went to an in-service at work on the use of medicinal marijuana and it was very eye-opening.
My opinion is that yes, it does have therapeutic properties--when the proper product and delivery system are chosen.
Without bogging you down in details, CBD-enhanced cannabis is a better choice, and smoking is not the best delivery system. Vaping is much safer in the long-term because it doesn't cook your lungs.
If your niece is serious about using it for medicinal purposes, she should look into finding a therapeutic grade product. Otherwise, she's just getting stoned.
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Post by bothmykidsrbrats on Apr 7, 2016 4:40:00 GMT
I went to an in-service at work on the use of medicinal marijuana and it was very eye-opening. My opinion is that yes, it does have therapeutic properties--when the proper product and delivery system are chosen. Without bogging you down in details, CBD-enhanced cannabis is a better choice, and smoking is not the best delivery system. Vaping is much safer in the long-term because it doesn't cook your lungs. If your niece is serious about using it for medicinal purposes, she should look into finding a therapeutic grade product. Otherwise, she's just getting stoned. I was going to start with you can't manage medical conditions with random street weed. There are so many different strains, for different purposes. mirabelleswalker covered everything I wanted to add.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Apr 7, 2016 5:08:14 GMT
If the niece has anxiety "issues" she needs to see a doctor, not self medicate. You wouldn't suggest she self medicate with alcohol so why pot? However, she's not your kid and there's nothing you can do about HER actions. I'd let her know I don't approve though and I would tell her that if I find out she's doing it before work, etc that I'd turn her in. Why put patients at risk because she has "anxiety" that needs treated? LOTS of people, including doctors (I can think of 3 off the top of my head that my friends have personally told me about), recommend self-medicating with alcohol to take the edge off when someone has low grade anxiety/stress and doesn't have risk factors for addiction. Those 3 friends have all been told they should have a nightly glass of wine - one of the friends was in the 3rd trimester of pregnancy when her OB told her that. I'm SUCH a fan of prescription medications. I'm so glad they exist. But for a lot of things, there is solid proof that marijuana is as or more effective and extremely low risk for addiction. There just isn't a way for big companies to monetize it right now (it's coming though). Look up the stats on the effectiveness of anti-depressants on mild to moderate depression - they're a joke when you look at the research. And they have serious risks for many people. I've never smoked pot in my life, but I just don't get the stigma. It isn't the gateway drug that "we" used to think it was (for people not prone to addiction, and if you're prone to addiction prescription pills can be a problem too), it's low risk, and it is proven effective and safe for many treatments. I think in 20 years, this fight over marijuana - particularly medical marijuana - will be look like abolition does to us now, but maybe even worse because it was keeping people from an effective medical treatment, not just enjoying a drink. My OB in Japan told me to have a glass of wine (or something strong) on the plane home when I flew to Canada to have DS. So I did! I had 2 glasses of champagne in fact. It was a long 3 flight day from Fukuoka to Vancouver Island. I was anxious as all get out (I mean I was pregnant and somewhat--->very very anxious about flying) and I needed something to stay calm. It worked. DS turned out perfect.
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Post by mlynn on Apr 7, 2016 6:55:52 GMT
Yes, I would be concerned. No, there isn't much you can do about it.
I have never tried pot. I have had friends who have. One told me it kind of turns off her brain the next day. Not what I would want in someone who is part of my health care.
Either have respect for the law or you do not. That is a character trait. Whether your state legalizes it or not, it is still illegal under federal law.
If she has not tried legal alternatives, then it is an excuse. Every person I have talked to in person who advocates legal marijuana so it is available for medical reasons is HIGHLY resistant to it being regulated in any way, shape, or form. When I suggest that it be part of the prescription system, they go ape. They are just hiding behind it needing to be available for medical reasons so that they can access it for recreational purposes.
I take paxil for anxiety and depression. It works wonderfully well and I have no side effects.
I have a neighbor who uses pharmaceutical marijuana for pain. It has all the stuff taken out that makes you high. She researched varieties and such and grows it herself. She makes it into a paste like substance for use.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Apr 7, 2016 11:29:05 GMT
I went to an in-service at work on the use of medicinal marijuana and it was very eye-opening. My opinion is that yes, it does have therapeutic properties--when the proper product and delivery system are chosen. Without bogging you down in details, CBD-enhanced cannabis is a better choice, and smoking is not the best delivery system. Vaping is much safer in the long-term because it doesn't cook your lungs. If your niece is serious about using it for medicinal purposes, she should look into finding a therapeutic grade product. Otherwise, she's just getting stoned. I was going to start with you can't manage medical conditions with random street weed. There are so many different strains, for different purposes. mirabelleswalker covered everything I wanted to add. You can't? People have been doing it for centuries. My friend's grandmother used it to get through her chemo in the '90s. It's used to managed symptoms and it's not like you need strictly metred doses to reap any benefits.
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Post by flute4peace on Apr 7, 2016 13:46:58 GMT
Yes, I would be concerned. No, there isn't much you can do about it.
I have never tried pot. I have had friends who have. One told me it kind of turns off her brain the next day. Not what I would want in someone who is part of my health care.
Either have respect for the law or you do not. That is a character trait. Whether your state legalizes it or not, it is still illegal under federal law.
If she has not tried legal alternatives, then it is an excuse. Every person I have talked to in person who advocates legal marijuana so it is available for medical reasons is HIGHLY resistant to it being regulated in any way, shape, or form. When I suggest that it be part of the prescription system, they go ape. They are just hiding behind it needing to be available for medical reasons so that they can access it for recreational purposes.
I take paxil for anxiety and depression. It works wonderfully well and I have no side effects.
I have a neighbor who uses pharmaceutical marijuana for pain. It has all the stuff taken out that makes you high. She researched varieties and such and grows it herself. She makes it into a paste like substance for use.
Hold the phone - is this really possible? Or have I just been living under a rock and missed the fact that MM doesn't make you high? I'm not doubting you or your friend, but if this is truly possible, 1. it would be fantastic for those patients that really need it and 2. it would make the whole "medicinal vs recreational" argument a non-issue.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Apr 7, 2016 13:55:02 GMT
I went to an in-service at work on the use of medicinal marijuana and it was very eye-opening. My opinion is that yes, it does have therapeutic properties--when the proper product and delivery system are chosen. Without bogging you down in details, CBD-enhanced cannabis is a better choice, and smoking is not the best delivery system. Vaping is much safer in the long-term because it doesn't cook your lungs. If your niece is serious about using it for medicinal purposes, she should look into finding a therapeutic grade product. Otherwise, she's just getting stoned. I agree with this. I don't have issues with moderate/casual or medicinal marijuana use for adults (I do think it can be harmful to teens based on some of the studies I've seen), but personally I would be concerned about somebody who was self-medicating in general. If she is using pot to treat anxiety and she has to quit pot due to her job/drug tests, where does that leave her with the anxiety? I think she would be better served seeking a more holistic approach to treating her anxiety instead of reliance on pot alone. The legality of pot and her job is also a concern.
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Post by BeckyTech on Apr 7, 2016 15:28:22 GMT
My thoughts are why does anyone just take a medication, any medication, for anxiety and not accompany it with psychotherapy? It is not normal or healthy to just be on anxiety meds forever and not address the underlying causes. Damn, we have become such a drug-dependent culture. Exactly. Proper psychological counseling could give her some tools that would help her to manage and possibly reduce her anxiety.
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