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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Apr 10, 2016 15:47:43 GMT
I am reminded of those articles that pop in women's magazines periodically. They will show a two-page spread of 5-8 women of varying heights and shapes before asking the reader how much we think each woman weighs. The "surprise" answer when you turn the page is always that they weigh exactly the same. Which also leads to the corollary that women of varying weights, heights, and shapes can wear exactly the same size.
It is patently obvious that women's sizing is basically meaningless. I can go to a variety of stores today and come home with items of clothing in FOUR different sizes --- all of which fit me correctly.
And, hell... I'll own it. I'm much happier seeing the 4 on the label than the 10. But do I describe myself as a size four? No. While I may have clothes that say I am, it's not the size I consider myself to be. I do make an effort to stay healthy, fit, and in good shape. In the end, that's what is really important. Try as I might though, I still care about the number on that size tag.
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Post by AnotherPea on Apr 10, 2016 15:48:44 GMT
Sidetrack for a sec...I have never understood this comment. HOW does somebody else lying insult the other person's intelligence? The lie says nothing about anybody other than the person lying. I totally don't get it. Lying is a hot button issue for me. My mother just simply can't tell the truth. Nothing major, just white lies or things to placate people but never being honest or direct. Drives me insane! She wonders and wonders why her life is a train wreck of failed relationships and can't seem to "get it" that it's because she cannot be truthful...with herself or others. Well gosh, I wonder why you can't have a successful relationship?! But it doesn't have anything to say *about* the other people. It speaks volumes about *her.* Because the liar assumes the lie-ee is so stupid she will believe what is being said.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Apr 10, 2016 15:50:17 GMT
Where is your quote and source? That's not what she said. If you look at her twitter feed she said she's between a size 6 and 8. I shop almost exclusively at the LOFT and theLimited where I am a size Small across the board in dresses and shirts and I look like Amy. It all depends on where you shop. She's not plus sized, she's average. I think I too look like Amy somewhat and I am plus sized. Maybe I'm just dillusional though. I definitely like her look and she's hilarious! Not everything is so PC for her. Interesting to see different people's interpretations. I finally started dressing for my real body and have never gotten more compliments! Better than hiding in oversized t-shirts and sweats.
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Post by J u l e e on Apr 10, 2016 15:58:45 GMT
There is no way that woman is a size six. She may have clothes that say six, but that doesn't make her a size six. This is a ridiculous statement. It makes absolutely no sense. If she is wearing a size six, then she is a size six in that item of clothing. It has been repeated that clothing sizes are arbitrary. Or do only you know the correct standard for a clothing size? Which size six have you decided is the correct one?
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Post by AnotherPea on Apr 10, 2016 15:59:22 GMT
FTR, I don't care how big she is, or what size she wears. I do get a bit put out when people lie about their clothing size and or age. I don't like being lied to, I have no respect for anyone that has a need to do so for the sake of image, and something like this, which is so obviously not the truth, insults my intelligence. There is no way that woman is a size six. She may have clothes that say six, but that doesn't make her a size six. If she was a body builder with the same BMI, maybe. But she's not. So if her clothes say size 6....then what size is she? That makes zero sense to me. If she can fit a size 6 pair of jeans, then in my book she would be a size 6. I assume they fit correctly and she can wear them comfortably. I don't think she is lying. I have a pair of pants that say size 2. I'm an 8/10. Just because one brand tried vanity sizing doesn't mean I'm a 2. My daughter is 1.5" shorter than Amy S. She's 35 lbs lighter. She quite toned. She has a much larger bust than Amy S. And she wears a 6. No generous vanity sizing or posing or even re-distribution of fat would cause both people with those measurements to be the same size. Again, I don't think the OP was about a celebrity's size, but instead about the claim. Only one person commented on my previous question: would a lie about age be considered "no big deal" either?
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Post by luvnlifelady on Apr 10, 2016 15:59:22 GMT
I've heard that average American is 5'4" and a size 12 so not small by any measure.
Shopping for clothes for women is a major pain. As someone else pointed out, one size 10 is different from another and so on. I wish we had waist sizes and in-seams like men do. Clothes shopping is akin to a dental visit and I don't like the dentist!
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Post by luvnlifelady on Apr 10, 2016 16:19:52 GMT
She's using Chico's sizing. I wear a size 18-20. What she actually looks like she is also. But in Chico's I wear a size 4. Now if you really want to fool yourself about your weight, buy ONLY Chico's and never take the tags out. Torrid is the same way. They start at 0.
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Post by Zee on Apr 10, 2016 16:37:30 GMT
She's using Chico's sizing. I wear a size 18-20. What she actually looks like she is also. But in Chico's I wear a size 4. Now if you really want to fool yourself about your weight, buy ONLY Chico's and never take the tags out. Torrid is the same way. They start at 0. Mystery solved! Lol
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Post by kernriver on Apr 10, 2016 16:48:03 GMT
Ok, I just want to calmly point out that Amy is the one that has the problem with plus-sized women. Why do I say that? Because SHE is the one that came out swinging after being put in an issue of Glamour with lovely, talented women like Adele. SHE is the one that said being plus-sized is great but don't you dare put ME in that category!!! If she REALLY didnt have a problem with plus-sized women, wouldnt she have just said 'nice to be in such esteemed company' or words to that effect?
the last thing I will say is that I truly enjoy watching Amy perform. Think she's brilliantly funny. I dont care what size she is and wouldnt have brought up the subject if it had not been for the article in the news.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 10, 2016 17:18:20 GMT
So if her clothes say size 6....then what size is she? That makes zero sense to me. If she can fit a size 6 pair of jeans, then in my book she would be a size 6. I assume they fit correctly and she can wear them comfortably. I don't think she is lying. I have a pair of pants that say size 2. I'm an 8/10. Just because one brand tried vanity sizing doesn't mean I'm a 2. My daughter is 1.5" shorter than Amy S. She's 35 lbs lighter. She quite toned. She has a much larger bust than Amy S. And she wears a 6. No generous vanity sizing or posing or even re-distribution of fat would cause both people with those measurements to be the same size. Again, I don't think the OP was about a celebrity's size, but instead about the claim. Only one person commented on my previous question: would a lie about age be considered "no big deal" either? I for one did not respond before because I thought it was a pointless comparison. But since you're still looking for answers, mine is: yes, I couldn't care less what age any woman claims to be. In what way does it affect me? I might roll my eyes and think "whatever," but then I'd move on. I wouldn't get offended about being lied to. Why you (and OP) are taking all this so personally is a mystery to me. Life is full of meaningless lies. Most of the time when someone says to me, "how are you?" and I respond "fine," I'm lying. That news shouldn't really rock anyone's world.
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Post by eleezybeth on Apr 10, 2016 17:32:02 GMT
So if her clothes say size 6....then what size is she? That makes zero sense to me. If she can fit a size 6 pair of jeans, then in my book she would be a size 6. I assume they fit correctly and she can wear them comfortably. I don't think she is lying. I have a pair of pants that say size 2. I'm an 8/10. Just because one brand tried vanity sizing doesn't mean I'm a 2. My daughter is 1.5" shorter than Amy S. She's 35 lbs lighter. She quite toned. She has a much larger bust than Amy S. And she wears a 6. No generous vanity sizing or posing or even re-distribution of fat would cause both people with those measurements to be the same size. Again, I don't think the OP was about a celebrity's size, but instead about the claim. Only one person commented on my previous question: would a lie about age be considered "no big deal" either? Your previous question is nonsense. But to answer you, if she lied about her age, we would have concrete evidence. Her birthday is well posted on numerous sites. She posts birthday pictures of herself as well as talking about parts of her childhood which one could figure out easily which year she is born in. She COULD lie about her age, but that is a hard fact that is easily proven. Her weight and clothing size is NOT concrete. Therefore, calling her a liar about her size is ridiculous.
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Post by jenkate77 on Apr 10, 2016 17:32:30 GMT
Have you seen the picture of her naked drinking coffee? She's not very big. 6-8 is probably very accurate.
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Post by JustTricia on Apr 10, 2016 17:44:09 GMT
Ok, I just want to calmly point out that Amy is the one that has the problem with plus-sized women. Why do I say that? Because SHE is the one that came out swinging after being put in an issue of Glamour with lovely, talented women like Adele. SHE is the one that said being plus-sized is great but don't you dare put ME in that category!!! If she REALLY didnt have a problem with plus-sized women, wouldnt she have just said 'nice to be in such esteemed company' or words to that effect? the last thing I will say is that I truly enjoy watching Amy perform. Think she's brilliantly funny. I dont care what size she is and wouldnt have brought up the subject if it had not been for the article in the news. That's not how I took what she said at all. Is she not stick thin? Absolutely. She looks like a "normal" (and I hate using that term) woman. I don't find her to be plus-sized. But a magazine put her, without her permission, in a plus-sized spread. I don't think she's outraged to be "lumped in" with other plus-sized women. I took her point to be women are going to read this and think *this* is plus-sized, and it is not. We as a culture have already body shamed enough women about their sizes, now the magazine is saying a size 6 is plus-sized. She's proud of her body, but she doesn't want to be a spokesman for others who are her size to think they're plus-sized. I don't know that I'm getting into words the thoughts that are in my head.
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Post by karinms on Apr 10, 2016 17:53:55 GMT
WHO CARES how much Amy weighs or what size clothes she is wearing. Not me!
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Post by cath4k on Apr 10, 2016 18:13:42 GMT
I think she looks great. She is definitely not plus-sized.
I am 5'11"/135 lbs/32DD. I am very tall, have a lean frame, and am tiny-boned. I have wrists and ankles the size of a child with size 12 feet. Right now, I wear a 4-6/small in women's clothing. Daughter A is 5'7"/135ish lbs/32DDD. She is a size 4. Daughter B is 5'6"/140ish lbs/32G and she wears a 2-4. So, by numbers alone, you would think that from smallest to largest, it would be me, daughter A, and then daughter B. But it is the opposite.
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Post by luckyexwife on Apr 10, 2016 18:16:01 GMT
This entire thread absolutely sucks. To be focusing on a successful woman's weight is so terrible and such a cliché. Really, can't you try to be better this this? JFC. I agree.
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Post by ginacivey on Apr 10, 2016 18:25:04 GMT
i am posting without reading 4 pages
and i think the past four pages have
1. a bunch of women saying 'why does weight matter' 2. why are we discussing a woman that isn't here 3. it's mean 4. i weigh ____ and i am ____ tall and i wear a size _______ 5. "no way does she wear the size she claims"
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i give you
- weight shouldn't matter but it does - we all discuss ourselves and others - we just do - glamour and amy schumer put it out there - it's open for discussion - if it bothers you - move along (and it's a great way to keep her in the headlines} - it's not mean - no one said she's less because of what she weighs - I weigh 175ish and am 5-6 and i wear a 10/12 on bottom and an xl or 14 on top (due to the boobs) - am plus sized - i have a hard time believing she wears anything smaller than an eight - but she can say whatever she wants - it's hard to be open and honest about clothing size (unless you are small - and then you don't get it)
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Post by ginacivey on Apr 10, 2016 18:26:42 GMT
Have you seen the picture of her naked drinking coffee? She's not very big. 6-8 is probably very accurate. and that is most likely photoshopped - whether she wanted it to be or not - even if Annie shot it if it's not - it's shot with a 35mm lens (which matter because it tends to elongate) and she is carefully posed (i'm reading it now - backwards...which is interesting!) gina
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Apr 10, 2016 18:28:45 GMT
Ok, I just want to calmly point out that Amy is the one that has the problem with plus-sized women. Why do I say that? Because SHE is the one that came out swinging after being put in an issue of Glamour with lovely, talented women like Adele. SHE is the one that said being plus-sized is great but don't you dare put ME in that category!!! If she REALLY didnt have a problem with plus-sized women, wouldnt she have just said 'nice to be in such esteemed company' or words to that effect? the last thing I will say is that I truly enjoy watching Amy perform. Think she's brilliantly funny. I dont care what size she is and wouldnt have brought up the subject if it had not been for the article in the news. Because the magazine publicly made statements about her without her consent, that proved to be false. It's high time that people stood up for themselves instead of letting a magazine who counts in selling mags with their drama and headlines taking potshots at an actress who is rising and trending.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 18:30:16 GMT
- it's not mean - no one said she's less because of what she weighs Calling someone a delusional liar is hardly flattering or kind.
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Post by tinydogmafia on Apr 10, 2016 18:42:41 GMT
Good lord. As women we should be building each other up. We get enough fat shaming, slut shaming and just general shaming from every direction. Amy S was unhappy to be lumped into a group of plus sized women, not because she hates plus sized women, but because she is actually SMALLER than the nation average of size 12! She's a 6-8! Her point is that a 6-8 is not plus. Why try to mainstream the idea that a size 6-8 is plus sized? We are programming people to hate themselves. For what? To obtain an absolutely unreachable goal of 00? Yes, there are many naturally slender women in this world, and I wish I were one of them, but most women have to under eat and over exercise to obtain that type of figure. Equally as unhealthy as overeating. As a large person the term plus sized doesn't bother me. But I'm tired of seeing and hearing so much negativity. I'm tired of people being so fixated on people's weights that they can't look past it and at who they actually are. Being judged by your size is awful no matter if you're too big or too small. Why aren't we having a raging debate over the Gucci model who was deemed too thin and the photo banned? Where is the outrage over that? Why has no one posted that girl's photo to pick her apart? To say she looks unhealthy, etc, etc? Gucci Ad Banned. Is it because it's easier to point fingers at heavier people? That the stereotypes of unhealthy, and lazy are easier accusations to hurl across a keyboard than saying things like, she's starving herself? It's all offensive. And until women as a group start standing together and saying that we are more than the size of our pants, we will continuously be picked apart for these things. I want to be remembered for who I am and what I've done with my life. No how fat I might have been or how well my makeup was put on. And we should all want that for each other. But until we stop buying into the hype of tabloid covers of of whose butt is full of cellulite and picking apart women for how they look, that will never change, and that saddens me very much.
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Post by ginacivey on Apr 10, 2016 18:43:36 GMT
- it's not mean - no one said she's less because of what she weighs Calling someone a delusional liar is hardly flattering or kind. i hadn't read the thread...i just assumed people were calling each other mean so...ya. seems i was right gina
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Post by MorningPerson on Apr 10, 2016 18:45:05 GMT
My three thoughts:
1) Amy is beautiful. 2) She can be hilarious - I love her deadpan delivery. 3) I lost a ton of respect for her when I heard her tasteless joke about Special Olympics participants.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Apr 10, 2016 19:33:26 GMT
This entire thread absolutely sucks. To be focusing on a successful woman's weight is so terrible and such a cliché. Really, can't you try to be better this this? JFC. Couldn't have put it better myself. Ye gods.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Apr 10, 2016 21:19:25 GMT
She kind of annoyed me when her entire act is so dirty and then some kid made a joke on twitter, "Just spent the night with Amy Schumer. I pretty sure I'm not the only guy to say that..." and then she responded back, "Oh yeah, right because I'm a whore?" Honey your whole movie, most of your act is based on sleeping around. Lighten up! That 'guy' was underaged. I certainly don't blame her for handing him his ass. As for the OP, she was named on the cover as someone who is plus-sized. Her issue seems to be that 1, she isn't and 2, by calling her plus-sized, women reading the magazine who are a comparable size are included in that already shitty label. Personally, I find the whole conversation about women's looks and their weight in particular, distasteful. I think we're better than that.
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Post by lumo on Apr 10, 2016 22:04:30 GMT
Okay, I'm going to be having nightmares about that fucking Gucci video for weeks. That music, those clothes...the whole thing was just abhorrent. Who watches something like that and is then compelled to drop wads of money on the brand? Does not compute.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 10, 2016 22:15:15 GMT
So if her clothes say size 6....then what size is she? That makes zero sense to me. If she can fit a size 6 pair of jeans, then in my book she would be a size 6. I assume they fit correctly and she can wear them comfortably. I don't think she is lying. I have a pair of pants that say size 2. I'm an 8/10. Just because one brand tried vanity sizing doesn't mean I'm a 2. My daughter is 1.5" shorter than Amy S. She's 35 lbs lighter. She quite toned. She has a much larger bust than Amy S. And she wears a 6. No generous vanity sizing or posing or even re-distribution of fat would cause both people with those measurements to be the same size. Again, I don't think the OP was about a celebrity's size, but instead about the claim. Only one person commented on my previous question: would a lie about age be considered "no big deal" either? One is factual and one is more an opinion. You are only one age... unless you live in Korea.. and then you are another age! ;D What "size" you are depends on how you measure it. Do you decide "your size" based on a particular manufacture? or your favorite clothing store or a particular pair of jeans? It's arbitrary at best. So if someone says they are a size XXX then that's what they are... with the huge differences in sizing.. who can say. Now if you want to lie about your age. It is either a lie or the truth. I don't care. That's your issue. Anyone. The press or the women on this board who think they can tell Amy Schumer that she is or isn't a particular size are just way to over involved in someone else's body!
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Post by JustTricia on Apr 10, 2016 22:49:27 GMT
My best friend at work, when she talked about losing weight I told her she was insane. She had to be maybe 130 and didn't need to lose a drop. Nope, she was 155 and proved it with a photo of her scale. Where I thought she was a 4 she is actually an 8 or a 10. This is a woman I see daily and yet I still would never have guessed her size.
Another woman at work has offered me clothes that no longer fit her, size 4s. At the time she offered, I was an 8 and barely. Again, see this woman five days a week and she had no idea these pants wouldn't fit me.
It's all about HOW you dress. I emphasize as much as I can my very narrow natural waist and deemphasize my wide hips and sausage arms.
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Post by imsirius on Apr 10, 2016 23:00:28 GMT
Sizes these days are screwed!
I am 4 ft 11 and I weigh 110. I carry weight in my ass. I wear a size 4-6 pant in petite for length ( or lack of lol). In formal dresses, I can be anywhere from a 2 to a 6.
I think the clothing industry needs to fix the size charts to a universal size. It would be so much easier!
I also think everyone knows what their size is and what suits them. Amy Schumer is no different. Could she be lying? Sure..but what does it matter to anyone but her? She looks great in those photos, who cares what her tag says?
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Post by penny on Apr 11, 2016 2:07:53 GMT
I love that people who have never even seen her in person, let alone looked at the tag inside her dress, are so sure she is lying... Where does that kind of absolute, blind, self-assuredness come from?
I happen to believe she is a size 6 or 8, but I acknowledge that my opinion is based on information that comes from sound bites and not my own personal peek at her clothing labels...
That arrogant type of certainty is annoying, and at worst destructive...
On another note, for people with very little body fat you may not realize just how fat works...lol It can be dense, it can be loose, it can squish and move and mob up in odd places... Consider perky/firm breasts vs saggy breasts - sometimes due to age/pregnancy, but there is also regular old natural variation... So two people with the same weight and body fat percentages can be multiple sizes apart...
Dense fat doesn't take up as much room, but it doesn't squish/isn't as malleable... Conversely, squishy fat looks bigger, but depending, can be compressed by garments/waistbands so that someone squishy/larger looking can fit into the same size as a dense/smaller looking person... The squishy person will look like they're overflowing the clothes while the dense fat person will fill out the clothes...
So many factors...
Her point, as I understand it, is that she was mentioned by a magazine in a context that suggested she was plus-size... Her objection is that because she is not plus-sized, suggesting that she is sends an inaccurate message... It misidentifies an average sized person as one who is plus-sized, and that could lead to people having an even more unrealistic expectation of what 'average' or plus-size is...
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