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Post by freecharlie on Apr 16, 2016 4:16:38 GMT
You do not go to court/jail for truancy if the child is expelled or suspended, at least not here in Colorado. The school district still must offer some type of education while the student is expelled. It is different and often in a different local for a much shorter time.
I don't think that our children/students are misbehaving more because of the lack of spanking or whatever, but that there aren't real consequences for some kids.
My mom spanked me once when I was a kid and I remember it well, even though she does not. But that was not why I behaved most of the time. I behaved because my mother instilled in me right from wrong when I was a young child and reinforced that time after time. I behaved because I wanted my parents love and approval (not that it wasn't unconditional, just that I liked when they were pleased with what I had done. I behaved because I didn't want to disappoint my parents.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 16, 2016 4:25:11 GMT
You do not go to court/jail for truancy if the child is expelled or suspended, at least not here in Colorado. The school district still must offer some type of education while the student is expelled. It is different and often in a different local for a much shorter time. . To me that is part of the abuse of power in this case - the principal tried to convince the mom she would go to jail if she didn't let her child be spanked. Who knows if the principal was telling the truth (or even knew the truth) about truancy laws.
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 16, 2016 4:33:29 GMT
the principal tried to convince the mom she would go to jail if she didn't let her child be spanked Has this been proven or agreed to by the principal or is this only the mother's word?
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Post by freecharlie on Apr 16, 2016 4:38:42 GMT
This is a snippet that I found
Looks like maybe the mother assumed it, but was never told that.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 6:31:11 GMT
In my experience, acts of violence usually eventuate under impulsivity and lack of deeper thinking to resolve an issue.
If the child was missing school due to a medical issue, why would you punish a sick child? If the school felt the mother was using a medical issue as an excuse to not send the child, why aren't they holding the mother responsible instead and offering to paddle her? I've never seen a 5 year old child get himself physically to school from his house....maybe if he lived next door, it could be possible. But the reality is, this kid is 5 and needs adult help to get to school.
It seems to me that possibly the school is punishing the child for his lack of parenting? Maybe they thought if they threatened the kid, the mother would step up? But again, they are assuming an act of violence is more helpful then reasoning and actually finding out why these medical issues (true or false) are being used as an excuse. And again, ultimately if the medical issue is all BS then why aren't they paddling the mother who is constructing the lie? I think when you ask yourself why you don't paddle the mother, you realize the whole premise of paddling anyone is ridiculous.
I would also think if someone suggested they ustream the paddling live to the public for a public service message, I bet the 2 women who conducted the paddling would back peddle quite a bit. If they knew their actions would be made public, I personally believe they would find other options of dealing with this whole issue.
I would have loved to have seen the mother offer to take the paddling for her son and see what the reaction would be.
I also don't understand why everyone in this thread is throwing in anecdotal stories of how they were hit or not and whether it was good for them or not. Your experience has nothing to do with this kid's story. And for everyone who thinks they were hit and came out fine, I assume you've never had any depression, anxiety, relationship issues at all in your life then? You may think you turned out fine, but you don't know for certain if it had any small or large impact on the way you view the world and how you trust people.
And lastly, despite me trying to be rational about this story myself, when I heard that kid cry 'help' and his mother stood there. I wanted to nunchuck the fucking 3 witches myself.
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Post by lindywholoveskids on Apr 16, 2016 9:13:46 GMT
this thread looks to be possibly turning in to a never ending circular discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 11:01:55 GMT
Do my kids have problem behaviors or menaces to society? NO! It does not always lead to a cycle of abuse. I actually have rarely laid a hand on my kids for punishment. Can't even remember the last time I had to. They are good, respectful, intelligent young adults now. The problem is not every child reacts that way to it. Numerous studies have shown that kids who have physical punishment are more likely to be violent. It's great that your kids turned out okay, but it was more likely in spite of the punishment than because of it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2016 11:09:47 GMT
Yeah... hitting a kid to make them behave is a great punishment. BULLSHIT. All hitting a kid does is teach them that violence is okay if you want to get your way. Yup, bullying and abuse is an awesome way to make kids behave. How's that working? Not well. Why? The cycle of bullying and no respect continues. If you have to hit, you're doing something wrong. Honestly, I'm at the point in my life where I'm cutting out people who think that abuse is okay. I can tell you with 100% certainty that the threat of corporal punishment by a school would have the opposite effect than what they would want... there's no way I would have respected anyone who thought hitting me would make me behave. That it's 2016 and there are still people out there who think that corporal punishment is okay and that kids are little shits today because they aren't hit by their parents and teachers is mind-boggling. There are better, more effective consequences than hitting a kid. If you can't get that... well, there's just no hope. I'm with you. I get upset about seeing people trying to justify hitting their kids. I could never reconicile people wanting a less violent society but then having violence in their homes. Makes absolutely no sense to me. I've learned to just hit ignore on facebook when this stuff comes up because I know I will say something I regret. Honestly, I have no respect for people who can'd find non violent ways to punish their kids.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Apr 16, 2016 12:29:46 GMT
this thread looks to be possibly turning in to a never ending circular discussion. I'm on your side, but I will continue to challenge your evidence. If that's circular or never-ending, so be it. If you are unwilling to back down from your statement that violence against children only results in violence BY the children, either immediately or later, I will be unwilling to stop pointing out that your statement is not supported in the literature and is not supported by my life experiences. I am certainly not unaffected by my parents' actions; however, I am not violent. The research also says that children who are hit are less likely to graduate from college. If, instead, you claim that violence against children only results in interruption of education, you could be be challenged by one of the millions of college graduates who were hit as children.
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Post by lindywholoveskids on Apr 16, 2016 13:18:07 GMT
Amelia Bloomer- I am not interested in continuing a confrontation.
My experience comes from decades of teaching children who were hit.
I am sorry you were hit as a child, and it's great that you have not perpetuated that practice. Shalom.
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 16, 2016 13:46:03 GMT
-I oppose corporal punishment. -I have never hit my kids. -I grew up in the 1960s and 1970s and was hit regularly by my parents, as were many/most of my friends. I hated it. -In elementary school, I was educated by nuns who paddled us. At an all-boys high school, my brothers were educated by priests who got much rougher. Remember: I do not condone hitting and see no merit. That said, I'm very uncomfortable with the statements below that are offered as fact - and, honestly, I'm struggling to word my objection without rancor. Neither of these conclusions describes me or - as far as I know - my childhood peers. We neither grew up to act violently nor did/do we believe violence is okay to get our way. Many of us made very purposeful choices about our own parenting. I understand - and appreciate - the need to decry the practice and defend the victims, but as a victim myself, please be careful when you describe the experiences - worse, tendencies - of others. Would these same statements be made so casually about abused women? Violence inflicted on children only causes them to act violently later on (or immediately) All hitting a kid does is teach them that violence is okay if you want to get your way. What else does hitting a kid teach them? Be violent and you get your way. It doesn't teach respect. It doesn't teach love. It doesn't even teach a lesson. Well, actually it does. That violence is the path to get your way. And I don't understand what you mean by making these statements so casually about abused women? Hitting ANYONE is wrong and doesn't accomplish anything. So whether it's an abused woman, child or even man... hitting as discipline is wrong. Period. There is no excuse for it.
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 16, 2016 13:47:34 GMT
There is a difference between paddling and abuse. I do not agree when it turns abusive. I grew up in the 70-80's. I was never paddled because I was afraid of it. Therefore, I behaved. My parents spanked me when I acted up at home. It made me behave also. Do I consider myself abused? No. Am I a bully and abusive to my own children? No. Do they know that they will get the paddle if the misbehave? Yes. Do my kids have problem behaviors or menaces to society? NO! It does not always lead to a cycle of abuse. I actually have rarely laid a hand on my kids for punishment. Can't even remember the last time I had to. They are good, respectful, intelligent young adults now. I believe that parents should be the one to make kids respectful and obedient. In today's world, that just doesn't happen anymore. So I believe the school's should be able to paddle. If they don't make the kids mind, who will? The police, that's who. This is me.. I am surprised more aren't stepping up and defending the school actually. I was paddled once, ONCE. and would have much more preferred to have been paddled vs having parents called in LOL.. not that I was abused, because I wasn't but ya know. you got in more trouble at home-and to be honest I think thats a problem with society now, kids never get into trouble for anything any more until they become adults then they go to jail. btw. didn't the kid spit on someone? my kids are 23, 22 and 18 but even today if my kids were younger, and I got word of them spitting on someone? yeah they'd be in trouble, paddling at school or not. and yes, one of my kids got paddled at school and yes the school got my consent first(I actually worked at the school) the vice principal came and told me and I told him to not treat my kid any different than the others involved because I worked there--that kid is now in the Navy and to be honest I can't remember what he got into trouble for at school. and to be honest I have to wonder why that kid in the video had missed SOO much school the mom was in trouble with truancy. I read something that stated it was due to illness but that's a lot of days, and dr notes aren't counted against you in truancy.just seems like he has a very unstable home life For the record, this quote is not mine. I was never spanked at home or paddled. I grew up in a home where violence was not tolerated. Please fix the attribution of your quote to reflect the correct person.
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 16, 2016 13:50:18 GMT
WTF? I don't want my children to fear me. I don't want my children to behave out of fear. I don't want them to automatically be obedient without questioning why they are doing so. Just the word obedient makes me twitchy. What I want is for my children to develop their own moral compass. To internalize why it is better to be good and kind and respectful of others than not. To understand the value of an education, and why school is important. To develop a work ethic and understand why it is necessary. So far, my kids have turned out pretty great. Certainly not perfect, and they've made mistakes and needed correction along the way, but I can't even imagine how hitting them or making them fear me is an answer. This. All of this. If your kids fear you, you're doing something wrong.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Apr 16, 2016 14:06:15 GMT
Amelia Bloomer- I am not interested in continuing a confrontation. My experience comes from decades of teaching children who were hit. I am sorry you were hit as a child, and it's great that you have not perpetuated that practice. Shalom. First, thank you for the wish for peace. Second, it's interesting how you view your reluctance to amend - or even discuss - your statement. I put a lot of effort into editing my posts to make them sound like reasoned disagreement and a valid request to you to be responsible in your declarations about others. In return, you label the discussion as circular and label disagreement as confrontation, so you decline to engage. Third, I've also taught children, many from impoverished families, for 32 years. Those experiences don't give us license to make absolute statements about victims as perpetrators of violence -statements that are not backed up by research and can't possibly be proven without knowledge of every student's home discipline (including the kids who don't talk about it) AND long-term follow-up of all your students. Just not possible. So, yes, I guess this portion of the discussion will remain undiscussed.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Apr 16, 2016 14:11:56 GMT
-I oppose corporal punishment. -I have never hit my kids. -I grew up in the 1960s and 1970s and was hit regularly by my parents, as were many/most of my friends. I hated it. -In elementary school, I was educated by nuns who paddled us. At an all-boys high school, my brothers were educated by priests who got much rougher. Remember: I do not condone hitting and see no merit. That said, I'm very uncomfortable with the statements below that are offered as fact - and, honestly, I'm struggling to word my objection without rancor. Neither of these conclusions describes me or - as far as I know - my childhood peers. We neither grew up to act violently nor did/do we believe violence is okay to get our way. Many of us made very purposeful choices about our own parenting. I understand - and appreciate - the need to decry the practice and defend the victims, but as a victim myself, please be careful when you describe the experiences - worse, tendencies - of others. Would these same statements be made so casually about abused women? What else does hitting a kid teach them? Be violent and you get your way. It doesn't teach respect. It doesn't teach love. It doesn't even teach a lesson. Well, actually it does. That violence is the path to get your way. And I don't understand what you mean by making these statements so casually about abused women? Hitting ANYONE is wrong and doesn't accomplish anything. So whether it's an abused woman, child or even man... hitting as discipline is wrong. Period. There is no excuse for it. It seems to me that you've totally misinterpreted my thoughts and request. Every child who has been hit does not then view violence as a means to an end....a way to get what she wants. Nor does every woman who is hit. Every child who is sexually abused does not become an abuser. Of course hitting someone doesn't teach love. Of course it's wrong. Of course there's no excuse for it. I did not intend to indicate otherwise.
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Post by zookeeper on Apr 16, 2016 14:20:26 GMT
Violence inflicted on children only causes them to act violently later on (or immediately) This is not an accurate statement. I do not believe that schools should have the right to paddle children. However, I was spanked as a child and I have never acted violently. I can tell you that I never got into major trouble and I always respected my elders and teachers. I also never bullied other children. So no...spanking does not always equal violent behavior either immediately or later in life.
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Post by zookeeper on Apr 16, 2016 14:27:58 GMT
I think the issue here is with parenting at home. So many parents these days don't have the backbone to discipline their children at home...in any fashion or form. It is a free for all for the kids....they rule the roost and they know it. This leads to children who go to school and rule the roost there. I cannot imagine being a teacher these days with a room full of children who have no regard for either the teacher or the other students. Forget the "room full of children"...all it takes is a small handful of badly behaved children to ruin a classroom. These kids are not being disciplined at home so they come to school and expect to have free reign there because they have an entitlement attitude.
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Post by raindancer on Apr 16, 2016 15:51:28 GMT
Violence inflicted on children only causes them to act violently later on (or immediately) This is not an accurate statement. I do not believe that schools should have the right to paddle children. However, I was spanked as a child and I have never acted violently. I can tell you that I never got into major trouble and I always respected my elders and teachers. I also never bullied other children. So no...spanking does not always equal violent behavior either immediately or later in life. Were you given a swat or were you paddled with a board? Not the same.
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Post by anxiousmom on Apr 16, 2016 15:58:47 GMT
This is not an accurate statement. I do not believe that schools should have the right to paddle children. However, I was spanked as a child and I have never acted violently. I can tell you that I never got into major trouble and I always respected my elders and teachers. I also never bullied other children. So no...spanking does not always equal violent behavior either immediately or later in life. Were you given a swat or were you paddled with a board? Not the same. I have to wonder if this part of the problem with this discussion. We all have a very different and very personal definitions of what constitutes a swat, a spanking, a beating...and through the prism of our own experiences, one may feel a swat on the bottom is the equivalent to a beating and others see a swat on the bottom as something rarely done and hardly remembered within the confines of an otherwise loving home. It is hard to have a discussion when the definitions differ.
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Post by raindancer on Apr 16, 2016 16:13:36 GMT
Were you given a swat or were you paddled with a board? Not the same. I have to wonder if this part of the problem with this discussion. We all have a very different and very personal definitions of what constitutes a swat, a spanking, a beating...and through the prism of our own experiences, one may feel a swat on the bottom is the equivalent to a beating and others see a swat on the bottom as something rarely done and hardly remembered within the confines of an otherwise loving home. It is hard to have a discussion when the definitions differ. I agree, but to my mind we are talking about hitting a child with a board. I don't care if you pick up a two by four or a stick off the ground, or if you fashion it into a fancy paddle. It's a fucking piece of wood and if you hit a child with it, that is abuse. You should be arrested. Just like if you picked up a paddle and smacked a stranger around in public, it's assault. It's absurd. And the fact that anyone at all can argue "for" it is appalling to me.
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Post by zookeeper on Apr 16, 2016 16:52:00 GMT
I was spanked with hand, belt and paddle. Not often...because it hurt like a son of a bitch so I avoided getting in trouble. I would venture that I am not the only one on this board that had such a childhood, but I may be the only one to admit it.
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Post by krazykatlady on Apr 16, 2016 16:58:10 GMT
I have family in Monticello where this happened. The following showed up on my niece's Facebook feed this morning:
This is Thomas's aunt. She made the video to get attention and money. I will stand for this no longer. If you watch the news report from GA on Channel 2 the school NEVER told her she would go to jail and they never got any "tests" from her getting her child tested for cancer. I feel bad for everyone supporting her. The child acts the way he does because of the environment of the home. My step brother (the child's dad) is in and out. The mom has been arrested many times along with the dad for violence and for the dad theft. She taught her son to twerk. I asked him to do something as simple as throwing his plate away and he flipped me off and said "f you" I hope you all do not support her but support the child and pray for REAL justice for Thomas Berryhill JR Thank you for all the support, love, and care for Thomas..
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Post by Nink on Apr 16, 2016 18:01:07 GMT
I was spanked with hand, belt and paddle. Not often...because it hurt like a son of a bitch so I avoided getting in trouble. I would venture that I am not the only one on this board that had such a childhood, but I may be the only one to admit it. Nope, you're not the only one. I too was disciplined the same and don't in the least bit feel I was abused. I have never been violent towards anyone or anything.
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Post by mandasue on Apr 16, 2016 21:02:16 GMT
I am about 10-15 from where this happened. Different county then where I attended school or where my kids go. I had no idea it was still legal. I remember my brother getting a spanking in primary school but that was 40 years ago- I haven't heard of any since then until now. Out school district does not use this matter. This is a very small town/rural area that it occurred it.
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Post by raindancer on Apr 16, 2016 21:11:19 GMT
I was spanked with hand, belt and paddle. Not often...because it hurt like a son of a bitch so I avoided getting in trouble. I would venture that I am not the only one on this board that had such a childhood, but I may be the only one to admit it. Nope, you're not the only one. I too was disciplined the same and don't in the least bit feel I was abused. I have never been violent towards anyone or anything. So would you/do you feel that it's acceptable to hit your children? And what about the kids who do/did feel abused and turn out violent? And if you do hit your kids (or swat them) what will you do if they feel it is abusive? Their experiences being their own. What if they come back at you later and say "Hey you suck and I want nothing more to do with you"? And do you feel that if you are out of line in a public setting that someone has a right to smack you for it? If you are rude to a bar tender, and a little buzzed and not acting socially acceptable, is it ok to have someone knock some sense into you with a slap or a punch or some other form of punishment to bring you back to your senses? I'm always a little confused how we can talk as if hitting a child is any different than someone hitting you? Why is that?
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Post by Nink on Apr 16, 2016 21:34:17 GMT
Nope, you're not the only one. I too was disciplined the same and don't in the least bit feel I was abused. I have never been violent towards anyone or anything. So would you/do you feel that it's acceptable to hit your children? And what about the kids who do/did feel abused and turn out violent? And if you do hit your kids (or swat them) what will you do if they feel it is abusive? Their experiences being their own. What if they come back at you later and say "Hey you suck and I want nothing more to do with you"? And do you feel that if you are out of line in a public setting that someone has a right to smack you for it? If you are rude to a bar tender, and a little buzzed and not acting socially acceptable, is it ok to have someone knock some sense into you with a slap or a punch or some other form of punishment to bring you back to your senses? I'm always a little confused how we can talk as if hitting a child is any different than someone hitting you? Why is that? I think spanking kids is one of those topics like circumcision, everyone has their own opinion and are welcome to it. I did spank my son on the butt with my hand when necessary and don't apologize for it. There is a definite difference between spanking and actual abuse in my opinion. You're not going to change my thought on it and I know I won't change yours. So we'll agree to disagree.
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Post by raindancer on Apr 16, 2016 21:59:38 GMT
So would you/do you feel that it's acceptable to hit your children? And what about the kids who do/did feel abused and turn out violent? And if you do hit your kids (or swat them) what will you do if they feel it is abusive? Their experiences being their own. What if they come back at you later and say "Hey you suck and I want nothing more to do with you"? And do you feel that if you are out of line in a public setting that someone has a right to smack you for it? If you are rude to a bar tender, and a little buzzed and not acting socially acceptable, is it ok to have someone knock some sense into you with a slap or a punch or some other form of punishment to bring you back to your senses? I'm always a little confused how we can talk as if hitting a child is any different than someone hitting you? Why is that? I think spanking kids is one of those topics like circumcision, everyone has their own opinion and are welcome to it. I did spank my son on the butt with my hand when necessary and don't apologize for it. There is a definite difference between spanking and actual abuse in my opinion. You're not going to change my thought on it and I know I won't change yours. So we'll agree to disagree. So you aren't going to actually answer any of my questions? And also, this post is about hitting a kid with a paddle.
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Post by Nink on Apr 16, 2016 22:14:51 GMT
I think spanking kids is one of those topics like circumcision, everyone has their own opinion and are welcome to it. I did spank my son on the butt with my hand when necessary and don't apologize for it. There is a definite difference between spanking and actual abuse in my opinion. You're not going to change my thought on it and I know I won't change yours. So we'll agree to disagree. So you aren't going to actually answer any of my questions? And also, this post is about hitting a kid with a paddle. I understand that. The bottom line is, I was spanked with a belt, paddle, whatever both at home and at school. I do not have a problem with it. At the time I knew I screwed up and I knew what the consequence was. I do believe that it's different than the type of scenarios you're referring to. I don't think you can compare the two and you think they're the same thing. That's what I'm talking about when I say we see things differently.
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 18, 2016 11:24:01 GMT
I have to wonder if this part of the problem with this discussion. We all have a very different and very personal definitions of what constitutes a swat, a spanking, a beating...and through the prism of our own experiences, one may feel a swat on the bottom is the equivalent to a beating and others see a swat on the bottom as something rarely done and hardly remembered within the confines of an otherwise loving home. It is hard to have a discussion when the definitions differ. I agree, but to my mind we are talking about hitting a child with a board. I don't care if you pick up a two by four or a stick off the ground, or if you fashion it into a fancy paddle. It's a fucking piece of wood and if you hit a child with it, that is abuse. You should be arrested. Just like if you picked up a paddle and smacked a stranger around in public, it's assault. It's absurd. And the fact that anyone at all can argue "for" it is appalling to me. This. All of this. If you can be charged with assault for hitting an adult, you should be charged for hitting a child in the name of "discipline" or whatever your motivation is for attacking a child because you're mad at them and want to get your way.
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 18, 2016 11:25:33 GMT
So would you/do you feel that it's acceptable to hit your children? And what about the kids who do/did feel abused and turn out violent? And if you do hit your kids (or swat them) what will you do if they feel it is abusive? Their experiences being their own. What if they come back at you later and say "Hey you suck and I want nothing more to do with you"? And do you feel that if you are out of line in a public setting that someone has a right to smack you for it? If you are rude to a bar tender, and a little buzzed and not acting socially acceptable, is it ok to have someone knock some sense into you with a slap or a punch or some other form of punishment to bring you back to your senses? I'm always a little confused how we can talk as if hitting a child is any different than someone hitting you? Why is that? I think spanking kids is one of those topics like circumcision, everyone has their own opinion and are welcome to it. I did spank my son on the butt with my hand when necessary and don't apologize for it. There is a definite difference between spanking and actual abuse in my opinion. You're not going to change my thought on it and I know I won't change yours. So we'll agree to disagree. I'm curious. What's the difference between spanking and "actual" abuse? To me, they look exactly the same.
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