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Post by mtscrapper on Apr 19, 2016 13:44:36 GMT
Update: My MIL passed away this morning. The funeral will be on prom day, just as I suspected it would be. There are so many people that have to travel (no family members live even close to them) that the logistics are better on a Saturday for as many as can be involved. This is at my FIL's request, and we want to honor this, but he told my girls to stay and go to prom, so they are going to do that. I think they felt better that their Papa told them it was okay to stay. My girls will go up sometime after my senior daughter is back from Boston and spend a weekend with him. I think that will be a nice thing for all of them. Thanks again for all the condolences. We have a great community here! ________ My MIL is on her last days. Hospice says days to a week. If this is the case, her funeral will likely be next weekend (April 30). She lives a good 8-hour drive from here and I'm fairly certain the funeral will be there. My girls (junior and senior) have both been asked to prom for that day. What would you do if you were their mom? Would you make them go to the funeral? Would you let them make their own choice? I know their Papa (grandpa) might really want to see them, but I'm torn. I haven't talked to them about this yet since death is so uncertain even if it is this close, but I'm just wanting some ideas of what other people would do in the event that it does happen. They do know she is dying, just not that it could happen on that weekend. (We just found out yesterday about the days to week and the girls were asked a week or so ago.) If it happens on the following weekend, my senior daughter is supposed to be in Boston for a week for National BPA competition. The airplane ticket is already bought and commitment made with the school that she will be there. Would this be a different scenario than prom? I would love to encourage doing the funeral on a Friday or Monday because we could make that work, but there are other family members to consider (my husband has a brother and 2 sisters who all live even farther away than us plus my oldest daughter who is in her final weeks of her masters degree and might have a hard time with the timing on a weekday).
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Post by luvnlifelady on Apr 19, 2016 13:48:14 GMT
I have kids that are similar in age. I would let them choose. Yes, it's a bummer if they have to miss the funeral but maybe they can plan to go visit their grandpa sometime soon? Missing junior or senior prom is kind of a big deal at that age. (or at least it is here)
If it is your MIL's time, I hope she has as peaceful a passing as possible.
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Post by littlemama on Apr 19, 2016 13:50:55 GMT
Will your dh be involved in planning the funeral? If so, he could just mention that on the Saturdays, your daughters would not be able to attend. Ultimately, someone is going to be unhappy with the date, but as long as your dh states their availability, what happens from that point, just happens.
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Post by mikklynn on Apr 19, 2016 13:51:18 GMT
I'm sorry. I would let them choose. I bet Grandma would want them to go to prom or their competition. I'd make sure your DH agrees with whatever is decided. In my mind, he gets the final say.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Apr 19, 2016 13:51:59 GMT
While I totally get the schedule issue and I know some will be very ticked if the kids don't show up, I personally would not make them come. I know these things cannot be helped but to be honest, if my family had that much going on, I may skip the funeral myself if my kids needed me. I had a great relationship with my MIL btw. I would ask the girls what they want to do and let them make their own decisions.
The competition is important and already scheduled. I would let her go to that.
I would encourage them to have the funeral earlier or later and if they cannot, just be polite and tell them that the girls cannot attend. Honestly, funerals are for the living, not the dead and while I understand the need to be there, make a point of going after the funeral and after things settle down with your girls to pay their respects.
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Post by garcia5050 on Apr 19, 2016 13:52:01 GMT
My parents let me choose, I was also in high school and chose my event (I think it was a cheer competition). I've always regretted it, but I do know it was a choice I made. I've never felt that my parents should have forced me.
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Post by myshelly on Apr 19, 2016 13:52:35 GMT
Won't your DH be involved in planning the funeral? Couldn't he just say can it please be Monday?
Otherwise I would let them choose. I'm sorry for your family's loss.
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Post by scrapbookwriter on Apr 19, 2016 13:53:14 GMT
I would let them choose. I would support them in whatever decision they made.
On second thought, I would probably encourage them to go to prom, and I would stay home with them while my husband and other children traveled to the funeral. I would have them talk on the phone with their grandfather and give him their love. Perhaps you could schedule a later trip with your daughters. Your FIL will have lots of family around him at the funeral; it is afterward that he will feel the weight of loneliness.
All this is premature, of course. Your MIL could surprise you with a different timetable than what you expect.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 13:53:28 GMT
I would let them choose. Were they close to her over the years, despite the physical distance?
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Post by marimoose on Apr 19, 2016 13:56:14 GMT
So many emotions in this decision. If it were me, though it might be the less popular choice, I would let them make that choice for themselves and truthfully, i might encourage them to go forth with their plans. I would hate to think that one of their last memories associated with their Grandma was going to a funeral and missing something that is large in a teens life. What would their Grandma want for them? I know that if someone were deciding if they should attend a funeral for me or do something that brings them joy, I would want them to make a happy memory. As for Papa, I am sure there will be a great many prsent to comfort him and maybe seeing his grandaughters after might be better, when he an really embrace the visit.
I also hope that your MIL's final days are as comfortable as possible and her passing will be peaceful
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Post by marimoose on Apr 19, 2016 13:57:44 GMT
Honestly, funerals are for the living, not the dead and while I understand the need to be there, make a point of going after the funeral and after things settle down with your girls to pay their respects. This is exactly how I feel but couldn't find a polite way to express it. You said it well.
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Post by hop2 on Apr 19, 2016 13:59:17 GMT
I would work for the funeral to be a time that had less conflicts but ultimately if there was a conflict I would let them choose. That way 20years from now which ever way they choose they will know it was their choice not yours.
I would have deep discussions on their feelings on the topic. Because whatever they do they have suffered a loss and will need to sort it thru.
I'm sorry for your loss {{{hugs}}}
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Post by mtscrapper on Apr 19, 2016 14:27:51 GMT
Thank you all for your replies and nice thoughts regarding our loss. It is making me feel a bit better about my feelings. They were closer to her when they were younger. For the past several years, she has had dementia and its hard to be close to someone when they don't remember you. They do have good memories of her, though.
Its hard to know what their grandma would want. She was a bit controlling when she had all her faculties and always was put out if we didn't see her when she wanted us to. However, she loved all of her grandchildren and loved to hear of their accomplishments and participate in their events when she could.
My husband will help plan it and I will definitely put my 2 cents in, but like I said, there are other siblings to consider, too, and the very real possibility is it will be better for the majority to have it on a Saturday.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 19, 2016 14:29:35 GMT
We had a somewhat similar situation when my aunt (mom's twin sister) passed away somewhat unexpectedly. She hadn't ever married and had no children, but was a favorite special aunt to many. When she passed, her younger sister and family were on vacation out of state and not due to be back in town for several more days. Rather than hold the funeral at the typical time, we opted to wait the few additional days until they were home to have the services. My younger aunt and her family were very appreciative that we waited so they could attend and say their goodbyes.
If the person is being cremated it really could happen at any time it's convenient for most of the family.
While a funeral is important, things like proms can also be once in a lifetime events (especially for the senior) and oftentimes a good amount of money has already been spent in advance on the dress, shoes, etc. I wouldn't want my DD to miss out on that. Knowing my kid, she would probably hold it against me for the rest of my life!
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Post by anonrefugee on Apr 19, 2016 14:43:24 GMT
Does it have to be traditional service and time frame?
My family has switched to memorials so distant family can travel to the event. Those being buried are interred (sp?) earlier, and the group goes to the site if desired during memorial, sometimes headstone is complete which is nice.
DH family does what is most convenient for the planner , expenses and schedule for others be damned. Pretty much their attitude about all things. And then they wonder why the family isn't close - duh?
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Post by disneypal on Apr 19, 2016 14:44:35 GMT
Would you let them make their own choice? I am sorry about your MIL. I think your girls are old enough to make that choice themselves.
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 19, 2016 14:49:29 GMT
I would let them choose which they feel they can do, rather than force them.
Here's a kind of related story. My father passed away 3 weeks before my wedding, which as we all know is the crucial time for planning. I was ready to drop everything and travel cross country for whatever services or whatever that needed to be done. My now husband was ready to put me on the next plane if I needed to go. My mother, however, conscious of what was going on, told me that it was my choice but that with the wedding so close, it was probably better that I stay where I am rather than coming home. She was adamant that the wedding would go on, that she wanted the wedding to go on. That she was fine, well taken care of (my brother, SIL, my nephews, my uncles and other friends/extended family rallied around her) and that she wanted the wedding to go forward even in this time of grief. I cannot tell you how much of a gift that choice was. The panic I felt that first weekend (he passed on a Friday) about the wedding and a funeral was horrible. I really had a hard time dealing with it because of the mix of emotions. But my mom gave me that gift to choose, that it was okay to not go home, that it was okay to continue with the happy event, that I needed to do what I felt was best at the moment. Was my dad forgotten? Not for a second. Did I feel bad and like I needed to be there? Yes, absolutely. But I also knew that my mom wasn't alone and that she was well protected and taken care of. Mom decided early on that there would be no funeral or memorial at that time. It was just too close to the wedding and to my brother's birthday (I was adamant when we were talking about having services that if it came after the wedding that we be VERY conscious of the date so as to not shadow my brother's birthday) and since my father chose to be cremated, we could do what we wanted, when we wanted. So as of this point, we remember my father everyday. We are talking about having a celebration of life in August, which is his birthday, with a BBQ because that's what he loved to do in the summer... well all year round but that's another story.
My point is, the happy moments have to be taken with the sad moments. If they choose to forgo prom or whatever to attend the funeral, that's their choice but they should also remember that the happy moments in life can't be ignored. And sometimes? The happy moments can make remembering those we've lost that much more tangible and more appreciated.
I hope that made sense.
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Post by hannahruth on Apr 19, 2016 14:51:55 GMT
I would let them choose however having said that I'm sure what ever they choose they will be second guessing about the other.
In in reality they will be unhappy if they go to the prom knowing that elsewhere the funeral is happening and if they go to the funeral they will be missing the fun with friends or feeling miserable because they are sad.
Tough decision but unfortunately one of life's lessons.
Maybe MIL will change the arrangements in her timing. Thinking of you during this difficult time.
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Post by mommaho on Apr 19, 2016 15:03:11 GMT
Would it be out of the question to take the girls to see her now, be able to say goodbye in their own way then they could still attend their plans if it happens that she would pass?
ETA: I am so sorry you and your family is going through this, it is never easy.
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Post by littlemama on Apr 19, 2016 15:07:49 GMT
My husband will help plan it and I will definitely put my 2 cents in, but like I said, there are other siblings to consider, too, and the very real possibility is it will be better for the majority to have it on a Saturday. Right, and if that is the case, then that decision will have been made by the majority knowing that your dd's will not be able to attend. No one can then get pissy when the girls aren't there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 15:08:07 GMT
If the funeral does happen to fall on the day your children have other commitments, maybe plan on holding a memorial service later on, when everyone can attend.
My condolences to you and your family.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 15:11:32 GMT
Oh my..I would be agonizing over it too. Once she passes, (and I'm sorry for your loss), I would have DH state the girls commitments on whatever day they decide to have the funeral and if plans are changed, great, if not, could they possibly attend prom and then fly down afterwards?
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Post by bc2ca on Apr 19, 2016 15:11:51 GMT
I would give my kids the choice and support their decision. DH would have a much more difficult time with them not going to the funeral, but his family gets caught up in appearances and worries about what other people would say if the grandkids weren't there.
I've known families to have a gathering at a much later date when everyone can plan and commit to being there, sometimes centered around scattering ashes or laying a gravestone, but not always.
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Post by myboysnme on Apr 19, 2016 15:21:03 GMT
My older son opted not to come up for his grandmother's funeral and my husband was very upset about it but it was his choice not to go. It was 6 hours away and he had other plans and said he didn't want to go.
Neither of my sons chose to go to my stepfather's funeral this past summer. I wish they would have but both were in the first week of college classes.
Death is never convenient but I think life does go on and the important time to show respect to someone is in their lifetime. So I would not make my girls miss prom for the funeral.
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Post by Loydene on Apr 19, 2016 15:42:32 GMT
Honestly, funerals are for the living, not the dead and while I understand the need to be there, make a point of going after the funeral and after things settle down with your girls to pay their respects. I agree with PeppermintPatty with a slight modification: I'd check into getting the children there NOW while Grandma might still be coherent enough to recognize and enjoy the visit. An 8 hour drive is really nothing to me so go, visit, sleep, visit, return. I would probably be on the road now
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2016 15:48:49 GMT
I'm another that would let them choose.
I was going to ask the same as loydene, can you have them see her now while she is still living?
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 19, 2016 15:49:13 GMT
I would probably do what Loydene suggested. Let them go now and say good bye. Then I would let them choose while encouraging them to go to the Prom or the school trip. If they don't go to the funeral I would do something as a family to recognize and remember their Grandmother.
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Post by paigepea on Apr 19, 2016 15:50:27 GMT
If they are close to FIL I would encourage them to attend the funeral. Life is full of hard choices. Just because we want our kids to do everything they'd like to do, I believe family commitments come first, and that teaching them that is important. Going to a funeral isn't about what MIL would want, it is about what the family, specifically FIL, needs.
We are close to all grandparents. If your kids don't have a relationship with grandparents I might think differently. Also, I'm in Canada and prom is not a big deal. But in my head I equate it to maybe a school graduation and I'd have my kids miss that for a family funeral (or family wedding).
I think I'd always think - oh, that is the prom you went to instead of going to grandma's funeral - whenever I looked at the pics, and I'd always wonder if I let the kids make the right choice.
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Post by AnotherPea on Apr 19, 2016 15:55:12 GMT
Before reading ahead, I would be FURIOUS if my granddaughters missed their prom because I was being buried. If my husband was being buried I would want them to go to prom then too. I would hope that my son could make it and help support my other family members.
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Post by peabay on Apr 19, 2016 16:01:59 GMT
I'm going against the grain: they'd be going to the funeral. My mom died 5 months ago and I needed my children with me; and they were glad to be of support to me and to be a part of honoring their grandmother. How do you say to people when they ask where your children are: "they chose to go to the prom?"
I'll get flak for this, I'm sure, but that's how I feel.
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