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Post by whopea on Apr 22, 2016 12:59:13 GMT
This just seems so wrong! Copying someone else's work, photo, etc - wrong. Revising *your own* earlier work - how is that plagiarism?!?!?! If professor Smith assigns a paper on a topic, and professor Jones assigns a paper on a similar topic, then why reinvent the wheel? It's *your* work. This I don't understand. Technically, it's not plagiarism in the strict sense. An incidence of true plagiarism would have gotten me kicked out. Because it was my own work, I could not be disciplined for it. My professor was able to see that I had copied my own work. But it was still against his rules. So I wrote an alternative paper. I just added my experience because it's not just online sources that these computer programs can see, but also submitted papers of other students. That's the part I had never had an experience with. I did not realize that once I wrote something and turned it in, it would permanently be in a database and both mine and other students work would be compared against it. I wonder if that database is specific to that university or is it universal? By the way, good luck on your masters. That's a great thing you're pursuing!
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Post by Dalai Mama on Apr 22, 2016 13:26:22 GMT
My husband did every paper in college "copy/paste" and made up sources. Yes, even his capstone paper. I teach junior high and when I used to assign papers I would go over plagiarism and what it is and how to not do it and what the consequences are. I have 2 favorites.... 1. "As you can see from the image at the right...." Um, there IS no image. Take your zero. 2. "The female is ovoviviparous...." What does that word mean? Oh, you don't know. Take your zero. Hard lessons to learn but they need to learn them early. In high school I did a book report on a book I never even read based on the back-cover synopsis. Apparently, the teacher hadn't read it either because he gave me an A.
I also did a restaurant review for a university English course on a hole-in-the wall restaurant that served excellent northern African cuisine. My prof was impressed with the amount of detail I put into describing the food, service and, particularly, the ambiance. Got an A on that one too. She would have been even more impressed if she had known the restaurant was entirely a figment of my imagination.
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Post by raindancer on Apr 22, 2016 13:44:53 GMT
Technically, it's not plagiarism in the strict sense. An incidence of true plagiarism would have gotten me kicked out. Because it was my own work, I could not be disciplined for it. My professor was able to see that I had copied my own work. But it was still against his rules. So I wrote an alternative paper. I just added my experience because it's not just online sources that these computer programs can see, but also submitted papers of other students. That's the part I had never had an experience with. I did not realize that once I wrote something and turned it in, it would permanently be in a database and both mine and other students work would be compared against it. I wonder if that database is specific to that university or is it universal? By the way, good luck on your masters. That's a great thing you're pursuing! My university uses Turn it In detection and it has a data base from a lot of schools. If you submit digitally it's likely to go through that now. So I think it's pretty universal. Also you *can* use your own work, but it cannot be identical and it must cite your previous work. Yes. Cite yourself. Super simple and a great way to work.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Apr 22, 2016 13:53:46 GMT
I'm glad you realize how important this is, but I totally understand how this copy and paste generation thinks its "no big deal." When ds was in high school 10+ years ago they had just started using the programs that would check for plagiarism. He thought it was just to keep them from cheating. He told me that he really didn't get the intellectual property issue until law school. I think there are generational differences in how kids and adults look at the internet (not excusing the behavior, but just agreeing about different perspectives). From what I've seen on Facebook and other sites, it often appears younger people view anything on the internet as free game. Like using other people's pictures (and sometimes passing off as their own - that was an interesting meltdown in a group I'm in).
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Apr 22, 2016 13:56:46 GMT
Can you explain this? Is there a section on the transcript that lists such offences? It breaks my heart to think that a 14-15 yo kid could screw himself up so badly over one incident. And ftr, I'm in college now and I live in terror that I might accidently use similar wording to some source I've read. It makes it difficult for me to do any research because I am so busy writing down sources. There is a disciplinary action section on transcripts - not all though would include a non-suspension offense. There is also sometimes a specific question on the school portion of the application that asks about academic dishonesty. I actually knew someone who had their college admission revoked when they were suspended for plagiarism their senior year. Yikes! And a secondary effect is getting recommendation letters from teachers.
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Post by whipea on Apr 22, 2016 14:25:07 GMT
Plagiarism is a huge problem. It appears some students forget the purpose of an education is to learn and literature review and research papers are a tried and true method. This also comes along with the ""nothing will happen to me", let me "pull one over on the professor" attitude. Students know about plagiarism from lower education on up. Some seem to think either they won't get caught and feel they can adamantly deny their offense or talk their way out of the transgression. If that does not work they run to administration and cry the "professor does not like me". Funny, often these papers are so obviously plagiarized with various fonts and sizes and some even have web page artifacts but students still think they can talk there way out.
At the university where I teach we take plagiarism is taken very seriously. We do not want to send thieves and cheaters out into the world bearing our institution's name because some students are lazy or procrastinate. There are databases like "turn-it-in" and "Safe Assign" that screen papers and report sources so it is not just a professor's opinion. Students are expelled for verified incidents of plagiarism and good luck getting admitted to another institution with that history. We do take into account citation errors and they are students and do need learn to create original papers so there may be mistakes. It is the intentional submissions that are the issue.
We specifly state in our syllabi that students may not submitt prior papers without approval from the professor or it is considered plagiarism. Again, the purpose of the assignment is to learn or why bother. Depending on the instution, most professors care about their student learning and by the time a paper is due they are familiar with a student's writing ability and style. When little Mary writes "a dog is a soft fur peet", then turns in a paper without references or citations and claims it is her own work, " a canine is a domesticated mammal in the classification...", we know there is an issue.
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Post by raindancer on Apr 22, 2016 17:00:49 GMT
Plagiarism is a huge problem. It appears some students forget the purpose of an education is to learn and literature review and research papers are a tried and true method. This also comes along with the ""nothing will happen to me", let me "pull one over on the professor" attitude. Students know about plagiarism from lower education on up. Some seem to think either they won't get caught and feel they can adamantly deny their offense or talk their way out of the transgression. If that does not work they run to administration and cry the "professor does not like me". Funny, often these papers are so obviously plagiarized with various fonts and sizes and some even have web page artifacts but students still think they can talk there way out. At the university where I teach we take plagiarism is taken very seriously. We do not want to send thieves and cheaters out into the world bearing our institution's name because some students are lazy or procrastinate. There are databases like "turn-it-in" and "Safe Assign" that screen papers and report sources so it is not just a professor's opinion. Students are expelled for verified incidents of plagiarism and good luck getting admitted to another institution with that history. We do take into account citation errors and they are students and do need learn to create original papers so there may be mistakes. It is the intentional submissions that are the issue. We specifly state in our syllabi that students may not submitt prior papers without approval from the professor or it is considered plagiarism. Again, the purpose of the assignment is to learn or why bother. Depending on the instution, most professors care about their student learning and by the time a paper is due they are familiar with a student's writing ability and style. When little Mary writes "a dog is a soft fur peet", then turns in a paper without references or citations and claims it is her own work, " a canine is a domesticated mammal in the classification...", we know there is an issue. Too bad this action isn't universal. We had a huge scandal in one of my undergrad classes, and in another class my group mate plagiarized the professor who's class we were in! Everyone got a little handslap. The end.
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Post by AnotherPea on Apr 22, 2016 21:26:21 GMT
My university is serious about it. When I went one of the kids I tutored got kicked out. 25 years later my child's lab partner was kicked out mid-semester. From the time she submitted her paper to when she cleaned out her dorm room, three days had passed.
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