azredhead
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Post by azredhead on Apr 27, 2016 1:59:56 GMT
yup happened with a neice and SIL. Both had two kids a piece even at young ages neither were supposed to have kids, medical issues and BC. The neice just had her 2nd last week but has had very complicated high risk pregancies. She just got out of the hospital. I have none. I was told I wouldn't and I'm okay with that. Funny how things happen.
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Post by berty on Apr 27, 2016 3:08:02 GMT
'Cause I'm a geek and I was curious - the odds of a failed vasectomy are .05%. The odds of a failed tubal are .005%. So the odds of both happening are .00025%. Higher than the odds of winning the lottery but still. . . My first thought was they should totally play the lotto and go to a casino!
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Post by berty on Apr 27, 2016 3:18:33 GMT
My paternal Grandmother had 6 kids. 5 boys, 1 girl. My maternal Grandmother had 8 kids, 6 boys and 2 girls. How did our Grandparents raise all those kids w/o Go Fund Me in the 1930's and 1940's? How did our Grandparents raise all those kids w/o help from the government? Actually, one of my relatives who is in his 80s, along with one of his siblings, was placed in a children's home because the family literally could not afford to feed everyone. Back then, the economic structure of this country was so different - many families had farms where they grew their own food and the kids could help with the workload or kids left school at a young age to work in factories - that it's really like comparing apples to oranges when one compares that past time to today.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 27, 2016 3:53:10 GMT
Why would you want semen in/all over you anyway?! I'd guess it's safe to say that many prefer that over the feeling of a condom and the funk they put on them. At least it's natural. Semen dripping down my leg after a shower is not natural. I loved using condoms and we did for years. We didn't use them for two weeks and each time I got pregnant. We were trying though.
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trollie
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Post by trollie on Apr 27, 2016 4:15:30 GMT
I'd guess it's safe to say that many prefer that over the feeling of a condom and the funk they put on them. At least it's natural. Semen dripping down my leg after a shower is not natural. I loved using condoms and we did for years. We didn't use them for two weeks and each time I got pregnant. We were trying though. Just how much semen is your man ejaculating? Holy moses. A shower and I'm good.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 27, 2016 4:23:38 GMT
Semen dripping down my leg after a shower is not natural. I loved using condoms and we did for years. We didn't use them for two weeks and each time I got pregnant. We were trying though. Just how much semen is your man ejaculating? Holy moses. A shower and I'm good. He's part horse. A ha! To be honest, he's the only guy I've ever been with, so I don't know any other options!
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trollie
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Post by trollie on Apr 27, 2016 4:59:02 GMT
Just how much semen is your man ejaculating? Holy moses. A shower and I'm good. He's part horse. A ha! To be honest, he's the only guy I've ever been with, so I don't know any other options! The obligatory: This thread is useless without pictures.... Just kidding.... just kidding, my friends.
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Post by Merge on Apr 27, 2016 11:07:25 GMT
My paternal Grandmother had 6 kids. 5 boys, 1 girl. My maternal Grandmother had 8 kids, 6 boys and 2 girls. How did our Grandparents raise all those kids w/o Go Fund Me in the 1930's and 1940's? How did our Grandparents raise all those kids w/o help from the government? Actually, one of my relatives who is in his 80s, along with one of his siblings, was placed in a children's home because the family literally could not afford to feed everyone. Back then, the economic structure of this country was so different - many families had farms where they grew their own food and the kids could help with the workload or kids left school at a young age to work in factories - that it's really like comparing apples to oranges when one compares that past time to today. This. My grandmother and her younger brother were raised by distant relatives because their parents could not afford to keep them along with their other six children. Same grandmother raised 11 children, including my mother, mostly in poverty. And there was a bit of a Duggar situation going on with the oldest girls strongly involved in raising the youngest kids. Turnabout was fair play, though - my mom (the youngest child) spent her teenage years after school and in the summer at her oldest sisters' houses, helping with their multiple kids. Two of my aunts, who had 5 and 6 children each (what can I say? the family is Catholic), relied heavily on same grandmother to help raise and feed the kids. Each family actually moved in with grandma and grandpa at different points, when times were hard and they couldn't afford a house payment or rent. This kind of interconnectedness doesn't exist today, which is one of the reasons my parents stopped at three. They had moved away from my mom's family and didn't have that nearby network of people to help raise the kids, so they didn't have more than they could manage themselves.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 12:06:22 GMT
Semen dripping down my leg after a shower is not natural. I loved using condoms and we did for years. We didn't use them for two weeks and each time I got pregnant. We were trying though. Just how much semen is your man ejaculating? Holy moses. A shower and I'm good. Ejaculate is about a teaspoonful (about 6mL) on average. Whether it's more or less depends on how frequently a man is ejaculating, but that will only make it a little more or less than a teaspoon. The amount is unrelated to fertility or pleasure.
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 27, 2016 12:33:43 GMT
Maybe she did the go-fund-me in hopes of the story spreading. Ellen could have them on and give them a $10,000 Shutterfly check and a new large vehicle. adding: It would make for great TV. Can't you see it? They would drag all the boys on stage and everyone would love their cute faces. The parents would tell their story and then act surprised when the big check is brought out on stage. If #6 is a girl, Ellen can bring them back on and shower them with all things girly. For me, it would be horrible TV, but for a lot of people it would be great TV (I have little interest in babies or children that are not related to me), especially if they haven't done anything interesting (looking cute doesn't cut it). But it would also incredibly annoying because they haven't done anything to deserve it. And I get sick of the "here get free stuff even though you haven't done anything to deserve it". Having fucked up birth control doesn't make your situation special? If they are that hard up, they should start looking into being a dual income household to actually support the children they have to raise. Being a SAHM just isn't a good excuse when you're looking for a handout like GoFundMe.
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Post by grinningcat on Apr 27, 2016 12:35:28 GMT
I thought crazy story! Right up to the "go fund me" part. She doesn't work. Ok. Childcare is expensive, I get it. Ok. Someone needs to work something out to bring in extra income. Pizza delivery on weekends? Something. I don't care what it is, or why you have 6 kids. You need to provide for your family without begging. There are millions of people who do this every day and they figure it out without asking for money from strangers. If they need assistance they can apply for WIC or SNAP, they can use public transportation or save up to buy a larger van, etc. I'm not privy to their financial situation, but I'm sure there are things that they can cut back on. I just don't know how to feel bad for families where one parent chooses to not work in any capacity bringing in an income and then they ask for a handout. If they both worked, and were still struggling, as a family member or good friend I would try to assist them in someway. All of this.
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Post by Merge on Apr 27, 2016 12:54:43 GMT
I agree the GoFundMe thing has gotten completely out of hand. I have one friend who has set one up to help pay for the expensive, out-of-state summer camp her child wants to attend. Sure, my daughter would love to attend Interlochen, too, but it's just not in our family budget.
A former principal of mine is now working as a district administrator in another state. Apparently he found out he was lacking some credential to do his new job, and had been given warning that he had to complete the credential by the end of the year or risk being demoted or fired. He set up an account for people to donate toward the cost of the graduate credits he will need, to the tune of $4000, and then had the gall to send the invitation to all the teachers who had formerly worked for him. We, who make half what he does as a district supervisor. Dude apparently can't take out a student loan like the rest of us!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 12:57:42 GMT
Maybe she did the go-fund-me in hopes of the story spreading. Ellen could have them on and give them a $10,000 Shutterfly check and a new large vehicle. adding: It would make for great TV. Can't you see it? They would drag all the boys on stage and everyone would love their cute faces. The parents would tell their story and then act surprised when the big check is brought out on stage. If #6 is a girl, Ellen can bring them back on and shower them with all things girly. For me, it would be horrible TV, but for a lot of people it would be great TV (I have little interest in babies or children that are not related to me), especially if they haven't done anything interesting (looking cute doesn't cut it). But it would also incredibly annoying because they haven't done anything to deserve it. And I get sick of the "here get free stuff even though you haven't done anything to deserve it". Having fucked up birth control doesn't make your situation special? If they are that hard up, they should start looking into being a dual income household to actually support the children they have to raise. Being a SAHM just isn't a good excuse when you're looking for a handout like GoFundMe. I need to clarify, I was being snarky when I posted this Ellen Show idea. I am ashamed of myself for it...but I can be an old crank some days.
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Post by melanell on Apr 27, 2016 13:20:59 GMT
My paternal Grandmother had 6 kids. 5 boys, 1 girl. My maternal Grandmother had 8 kids, 6 boys and 2 girls. How did our Grandparents raise all those kids w/o Go Fund Me in the 1930's and 1940's? How did our Grandparents raise all those kids w/o help from the government? Actually, one of my relatives who is in his 80s, along with one of his siblings, was placed in a children's home because the family literally could not afford to feed everyone. I had an ancestor who eventually sent 2 of her kids to an orphanage due to a lack of funds. And that was after she asked everyone, including the government, to help her. On the flip side, I have ancestors who took in the children of someone else when their own parents couldn't afford to care for them anymore. There were so many sad stories back then.
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Post by melanell on Apr 27, 2016 13:39:46 GMT
I think people just view GoFundMe differently from one another.
Some seem to see it as something that should or does have unwritten rules about who is allowed to use it. And the rules vary by person.
Others just see it as a way for someone to say "Hey, I'd love some help with this if anyone is interested." and it's fine to ask for pretty much anything that's actually legal.
I don't see it as entitlement. To me entitlement is seen in people who do not ask, but demand, or just take. Or, if they do ask, they make it very clear that there will be negative consequences if anyone dares to say "no". And so far I have never seen that with any of these gofundme accounts. (I actually think the term "entitlement" is starting to be overused. It seems that people are starting to grouse if anyone requests anything, monetary or not.)
I don't mind being asked for help. I can always decline. Most of the time, I enjoy being able to help a little bit. And I think a lot of other people do, too. Plenty of times, if I had known that my friend's kid wanted to go to a camp that they could not afford, I would have liked to help. But I may not have known, or I may have felt like I couldn't just offer a tiny bit of help----either because it only seemed like a drop in the bucket, or worse, because some people are offended when others assume that they need help and offer it without a request.
For me, a gofundme account lets me know that there is a small way I can help a friend or family member (or random stranger) reach a goal, do something that makes them happy, or ease their current burden just a bit. And I like to be able to do that. I typically do so anonymously, but I still get to feel the happiness of helping others.
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 27, 2016 13:52:59 GMT
I'm pretty much over gofundme - I agree that it's gotten totally out of hand. I don't however glamorize the past and those large families. Both my grandmothers had more than 10 children each. They were poor. There's no way to pretty that up. Of all the things I may be nostalgic about - the days of inability to control ones family size isn't one of them. I come from fertile stock. One of my great-aunts had 15 children. There is absolutely nothing fun about having more mouths than you can feed.
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Post by berty on Apr 27, 2016 19:54:38 GMT
Actually, one of my relatives who is in his 80s, along with one of his siblings, was placed in a children's home because the family literally could not afford to feed everyone. I had an ancestor who eventually sent 2 of her kids to an orphanage due to a lack of funds. And that was after she asked everyone, including the government, to help her. On the flip side, I have ancestors who took in the children of someone else when their own parents couldn't afford to care for them anymore. There were so many sad stories back then. I am amazed, and sometimes saddened, by some of the things our older relatives lived through. And, yet, they kept soldiering along.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 27, 2016 20:26:24 GMT
He's part horse. A ha! To be honest, he's the only guy I've ever been with, so I don't know any other options! The obligatory: This thread is useless without pictures.... Just kidding.... just kidding, my friends. Just watch Cinemax at eleven tonight! That's us. (Throwing up in my mouth a little bit just typing that!)
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 27, 2016 20:34:47 GMT
I thought it was a sweet story. There is a lot of energy in the family. People can create a GoFund for pretty much anything, and people don't have to contribute, or call them names. They did what they perceived the responsible thing to prevent future pregnancies. People may have offered to help, and they felt this might be the best way for them. I wish them the best, it seems like they are smiling through it all. Yes, people can definitely create a GoFundMe for anything and this is a prime example. Why on earth would they think that random people would donate money to them? If they want money, earn it. Do something. I just don't like the entitlement that they seem to have over their oops babies. Maybe they weren't thinking of random people helping them, but friends and family who recognize they are in a tough spot financially and would love to help. A whole bunch of small amounts can really make a Huge difference. If it was a family I knew and cared about I would kick in the price of a pizza or a meal out... $25 or $30.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Apr 27, 2016 20:41:08 GMT
I'd guess it's safe to say that many prefer that over the feeling of a condom and the funk they put on them. At least it's natural. Semen dripping down my leg after a shower is not natural. I loved using condoms and we did for years. We didn't use them for two weeks and each time I got pregnant. We were trying though. there's no semen in my shower... but semen dripping down your leg after sex is natural...
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 27, 2016 20:43:05 GMT
Semen dripping down my leg after a shower is not natural. I loved using condoms and we did for years. We didn't use them for two weeks and each time I got pregnant. We were trying though. there's no semen in my shower... but semen dripping down your leg after sex is natural… So are child birth and vomiting when you have the flu. None of them sound appealing!
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Post by bostonmama on Apr 27, 2016 22:12:13 GMT
Semen dripping down my leg after a shower is not natural. I loved using condoms and we did for years. We didn't use them for two weeks and each time I got pregnant. We were trying though. there's no semen in my shower... but semen dripping down your leg after sex is natural... That's quite disgusting, IMO.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Apr 28, 2016 1:25:33 GMT
Are all these stories about oops babies scaring the pants off anyone else? More like scaring the pants right back on me!
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Apr 28, 2016 5:06:40 GMT
I thought crazy story! Right up to the "go fund me" part. She doesn't work. Ok. Childcare is expensive, I get it. Ok. Someone needs to work something out to bring in extra income. Pizza delivery on weekends? Something. I don't care what it is, or why you have 6 kids. You need to provide for your family without begging. There are millions of people who do this every day and they figure it out without asking for money from strangers. If they need assistance they can apply for WIC or SNAP, they can use public transportation or save up to buy a larger van, etc. I'm not privy to their financial situation, but I'm sure there are things that they can cut back on. I just don't know how to feel bad for families where one parent chooses to not work in any capacity bringing in an income and then they ask for a handout. If they both worked, and were still struggling, as a family member or good friend I would try to assist them in someway. So funny you'd say that. My husband has worked two jobs for going on 7 years. I graduated college in 2009 with a degree in finance (in a job market where senior financial people couldn't find work) and got a job paying $12 an hour...after months of searching and 300+ applicants (I happened to have the CS and accounting history they were looking for...if it didn't happen to be that perfect balance, I wouldn't have been chosen, not in a million years). He makes minimum wage and more on top of that delivering pizza (so his paychecks working 20-25 hours a week are more than I was making with a degree working FULL TIME). We paid off my car to decrease our expenses $400 a month and bought a house (what we saved for hospital bills based on maximum OOP's was enough for the down payment and the payment is less than we were renting for in a house 700+ sf smaller, it was a no brainer decision...we now have over 80k in equity with the market swing) while we had 3 incomes while I was pregnant with my oldest before I became a SAHM. I've stayed a SAHM and he continues to work two jobs. It sucks, but if I were working, he'd still be working two jobs and I'd be PAYING to put my 3 kids in daycare. I sacrifice my sanity (no joke, I feel like I'm having a nervous breakdown constantly because my children overwhelm me and my anxiety, panic attacks and likely depression continue to worsen with each child we have...we are done...I'd cry for 9 months straight if we had an oops baby...I mentally cannot handle another child and not be put on a psych hold, I wish I were joking) to raise them while my husband sacrifices everything else to provide for us. We've managed to pay off his car early, put down 1/3 (including his car as a trade in) for our van, pay off my student loans (that do me a world of good as an at home parent) 3 1/2 years early and have a stable life. I spend more than I care to admit on my scrap stash and we eat out more than we eat in (it's just convenient and with hubby's limited availability, we don't always want to spend it cooking). We sacrifice now for things to ease up in the future. Really, if we scrapped (no pun intended) those two things, we'd probably be able to cut half of his second job's hours, but it's something we've become so accustomed to (and the shopping is honestly a really big stress reliever for me...it's the one thing I look forward to) and it isn't a pressing need that it's not really a big deal. We make it work because our kids are our decision...even if an oops were to happen in the future...and our responsibility. We work for what we want. I can't say it doesn't suck sometimes (we never get time with each other and we often end up feeling like roommates more than anything because we get so stuck in a routine and don't make our marriage a priority) but it's what we signed up for and we alone are responsible for making it work.
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