luvnlifelady
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Post by luvnlifelady on Apr 30, 2016 0:33:04 GMT
Just curious how the Refupeas feel about this...
I have a former co-worker that is divorced because his wife cheated on him (he is DH's good friend as I introduced him). Anyway, he has 3 kids. A daughter, 19, a daughter about 8 or so and a 16 year old son (autistic). His ex works as a teacher of some sort, maybe pre-school, so she doesn't earn a whole lot.
He met a woman with no kids and they ended up getting married. By all known accounts, he spends little time with his kids, especially the younger two. He often posts on Facebook about going to restaurants, fancy vacations, etc.
Anyway, his ex is now suffering from a brain tumor (possibly benign but needs to be removed anyway). His oldest daughter has now set up a Go Fund Me page to help her raise $20,000 for the surgery.
Is he under moral obligation to help her out since it appears that he is able to?
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kate
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Post by kate on Apr 30, 2016 0:38:45 GMT
No more than anyone is obligated to help out to the best of their ability.
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Post by oldcrow on Apr 30, 2016 0:40:38 GMT
Firstly, you can only guess that he has the ability to help her. You have no idea what their finances are in reality they could be up to their neck in debt keeping up the life style they show off.
As long as he has paid his child support and alimony if applicable I see no obligation due. It might be nice of him if he can afford it but that is all.
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luvnlifelady
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Post by luvnlifelady on Apr 30, 2016 0:43:26 GMT
That's sort of how I feel. It would be nice, but true, I don't know his financial situation. She cheated on him, so I don't blame him for leaving and starting life anew. I do wish he'd spend more time with his kids, but who knows if the ex makes that difficult or what.
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 30, 2016 0:45:30 GMT
He could do the right thing and step up and be a better dad. I don't think he has any financial obligation towards her medical costs.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Apr 30, 2016 0:59:36 GMT
I would feel no obligation to help out my ex husband if I were in this situation. Granted, I don't know what it's like to make more money than I really need. We don't have a lot of extras, so I wouldn't have extra to give right now. But I would help him out with the kids, if he needed that.
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Post by aljack on Apr 30, 2016 1:43:05 GMT
NMB- not my business For me to pass judgement on money. However... I would hope he would step up and be active in his kid's lives. It must be difficult for them.
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Post by AnotherPea on Apr 30, 2016 2:10:22 GMT
I'm a bit surprised by the replies.
This is the mother of his 8 year old dd and his disabled son. He'd have to be an asshole to not step up and help his children's mother.
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Post by quiltz on Apr 30, 2016 2:15:05 GMT
I'm a bit surprised by the replies. This is the mother of his 8 year old dd and his disabled son. He'd have to be an asshole to not step up and help his children's mother. His only legal obligation is what is written in the divorce decree. Moral obligation would be up to him.
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Post by AussieMeg on Apr 30, 2016 2:36:19 GMT
This is the mother of his 8 year old dd and his disabled son. Honest question here..... if someone is autistic are they considered to be disabled?
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Post by Nanner on Apr 30, 2016 2:37:25 GMT
Nope, no obligation at all. And I wouldn't blame him for not helping her out - she cheated on him.
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Post by ntsf on Apr 30, 2016 2:42:26 GMT
some one who has autism is probably disabled --by definition, there is a deficit in functioning..social, emotional, executive functioning, maybe speech, and so on. about 10-15% are able to work.
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Post by lancermom on Apr 30, 2016 2:51:16 GMT
The only obligation would be to do as much as he could for the kids. Take them after surgery. Take them when she has appointments. But financially to help her no. Financially to help with the kids, yes. Even if he is paying support, it would be nice to give a little more to help her. So instead of paying half of a sport, pay the full fee. I am a giver, I would probably be getting groceries, and helping with utilities. But I would for sure do as much as I could for the kids during this time.
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Post by georgiapea on Apr 30, 2016 2:55:09 GMT
Resentment can run very deep. In that the wife was the cheater, he may be quite bitter. It would be very nice if he can find it in his heart to contribute to the surgery fund and hopefully he will do so.
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Post by YooHoot on Apr 30, 2016 3:43:46 GMT
Nope.
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Post by peasapie on Apr 30, 2016 3:53:02 GMT
Actually, I do feel that he should help if he can, They share children together, and, what hurts her hurts them. How would their children feel to know their father could easily have helped ther mother --assuming that is true--and he didn't?
I'm very surprised at most of the responses so far. My ex was a lying, cheating bastard, and I would still feel that, as the father of my children, I would and should help him if I could.
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Post by mom on Apr 30, 2016 4:02:50 GMT
No - I don't think he has to help them.
No one knows his real finances, so to obligate him because you think he makes enough is absurd.
Now it would be nice if he could help them out - but I wouldn't feel any obligation to do so. For all we know, he could have already given them money, and the 20K is what he didn't have to give them.
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 30, 2016 4:12:57 GMT
I think there are two separate issues here that are getting confused. One is, does he have money to help, based on his social media posts? That's obviously not clear, and you can't contribute what you don't have. But, yeesh, I'd like to think that if my husband and I divorced, and he was raising our kids, and our kids were, you know, kind of attached to him, and he was maybe going to die or be debilitated and leave them without a father, that I'd be willing to help out to prevent that from happening, if I could, for the sake of my kids.
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Post by justkat on Apr 30, 2016 4:18:17 GMT
Nope, he has no financial obligation to this woman beyond court-ordered child and/or spousal support.
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Post by BeckyTech on Apr 30, 2016 4:40:55 GMT
I find the $20,000 amount suspect. The actual surgery I would think would be much more than this, what about health insurance? I know there are some high deductibles out there, but $20k? Something is very "off" unless I'm off the mark in wondering about this amount.
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Post by justkat on Apr 30, 2016 4:49:48 GMT
I find the $20,000 amount suspect. The actual surgery I would think would be much more than this, what about health insurance? I know there are some high deductibles out there, but $20k? Something is very "off" unless I'm off the mark in wondering about this amount. As a surgeon: no you're not off the mark wondering about the amount.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 4:50:29 GMT
My answer is no. Unless I'm misunderstanding the situation, she is still going to have the surgery. The $20K will just help with the medical bills. With that said though, if this was a life or death situation and the $20K were to save her life and he could afford it, then I'd say yes, for the sake of the children.
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Post by houston249 on Apr 30, 2016 5:07:35 GMT
The amount may also include wages lost to cover rent, food and utilities, medications, child care (the autistic child might require more than the typical care), transpotation costs, in home nursing, lawyers fee for a poa, a will, living will.
This situation is so very sad. I am impressed the 19 yr old is stepping up to the plate.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Apr 30, 2016 5:22:36 GMT
Thanks for all the input. It is something to ponder like what would I do if faced with that? He is financially now entertwined with his new wife (presumably) so some thought has to be put there too. I like the idea of helping with things for the kids like food/extra curriculars, etc. so their lives continue as normally as possible during this health crisis for their mom.
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Post by BeckyTech on Apr 30, 2016 5:41:55 GMT
I like the idea of helping with things for the kids like food/extra curriculars, etc. so their lives continue as normally as possible during this health crisis for their mom. I would encourage gift certificates or something of that nature. Go Fund Me takes a HUGE bite out of the donations made on their site. In addition to credit card processing fees, they add in nickel and dime charges until their fees exceed 10%. I looked into it for a 501c3 fundraising project I worked on. The fees were so ridiculous that I decided I would never donate through them.
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Post by nlwilkins on Apr 30, 2016 6:56:54 GMT
The thing is, she is going to have the surgery no matter what he does and no matter how much money is raised. I had brain surgery myself and the extra bills came nowhere near that. In fact, I don't think there were any. As far as the medical bills, insurance paid most of it and if I had wanted, I could have paid out the rest.
I know this woman is in a different situation than I was with the three kids, but surely she has friends who can help out without charging. What expenses is this $20,000 supposed to cover? The 19 year old is better served by learning how to take up the house hold reins to help out instead of fund raising IMHO. She could be a great help to her mother in helping with the younger two and keeping the home going while mother is out of commission. I know many of us were running homes and children by that age.
The father should not feel pressured to help out with money. His ex wife decided she did not need him in the past and now she has to ive with that decision. He can be there emotionaly for the kids and perhaps check in on them to be sure they are handling it OK but should not worry about the ex wife. To expect more from him when his priority should be his new family and new wife is not rational. How do you think the new wife would feel if he became monetarily involved in his ex?
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Post by uksue on Apr 30, 2016 11:22:10 GMT
My ex has systemic lupus and often ends up in hospital or off work. I've helped him out a lot over the last 15 years, but I've done it because I wanted to , not out of any sense of obligation . It's a very individual thing - plus I agree with the pea who pointed out that you can't really tell whether someone had excess funds or not. I didn't, but still managed to move things around to help my ex, which may have given his family the impression I am comfortable when I'm not .( haven't been able to work for more than 4 months at a time after two different cancers .) Interestingly , my ex has never offered me any reciprocal care during my two lots of cancer surgery and treatment, and neither did I expect him to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 11:39:21 GMT
I agree that his obligations is whatever is outlined in their divorce agreement as far as money and custody goes.
As a father, I'd hope he'd at least help out with the younger children a little more, even if it's more time with them, transportation, something, anything.
As a person, I wouldn't expect him to contribute to any fund to help cover lost wages or the deductible.
I helped my ex out in many ways. I paid for groceries even when he made three times as much money. I picked up the kids nearly everyday from school, took them to practices and games, etc. He never paid me back, gave me gas money or even offered to pick them up on his off days. Now I don't help him at all.
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Post by M in Carolina on Apr 30, 2016 11:55:29 GMT
I find the $20,000 amount suspect. The actual surgery I would think would be much more than this, what about health insurance? I know there are some high deductibles out there, but $20k? Something is very "off" unless I'm off the mark in wondering about this amount. I think it would be more prudent to ask for money after the surgery when you know how much it's going to be. What will be necessary monetarily as well as help with child care, cooking, etc. There are local people that would help, but I would raise an eyebrow at fundraising for treatment that hasn't happened yet. I've heard lots of stories where people got too much money from GoFundMe or whatever and donated it or used it for other expenses. I'd rather choose where my money goes than have someone else donate it. As for the dad not spending time with his kids--you don't know how the mom handles the visitation. She might make it so difficult to visit or take the kids or might have poisoned the kids minds so they don't even want to hang out with dad. Dh and I do a lot of fun stuff--I'm sure people could think that we should save more for a house or whatever. We contribute the maximum for retirement--calculated without expecting Social Security. We don't want a house. I don't know how many years I have left, and we want to squeeze in as much fun as we can. Others might not live the way we do, but that's ok. Nobody knows how awful a relationship with family can be. We've had such a bad relationship with dh's brother/SIL that we wouldn't be chomping at the bit to help them if karma bit them in the butt.
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Post by refugeepea on Apr 30, 2016 13:17:38 GMT
This is the mother of his 8 year old dd and his disabled son. Honest question here..... if someone is autistic are they considered to be disabled? In a short answer, yes. It is a spectrum disorder. My daughter appears fine at first because she is very verbal but she is very much behind her peers socially. I hope she may be able to come close to functioning as normal adults, but there are some issues that will never go away. My son is non verbal, has frequent meltdowns, bites himself, and he has the classic signs of Autism.
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