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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Aug 1, 2014 5:01:30 GMT
I hate politics and my husband and I are to the point that we are embarrassed to be republicans due to the constant bitching and moaning. I am not a fan of Obama, never have been, but have gotten to the point that I am defending the guy because he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, regardless of the situation at this point. I'm just so over the CONSTANT BITCH FEST. I'm tired of party lines. Can't we just be Americans? Why does it have to be republican vs. democrat? There are so many variations at this point in beliefs that it just seems silly to label yourself as one or the other. Basically, I've been forced into a corner to support President Obama because I'm sick of the constant bashing. He says the sky is blue. Someone says it's actually a shade of violet. He wants to order a pop. He's wrong because it's really soda. He has a stomach virus that results in diarrhea. Opponents say it only loose bowels. ENOUGH ALREADY!!! Sums up how I feel too! |
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Post by elainebenis on Aug 1, 2014 6:30:06 GMT
I think the content of the Executive Orders is what is important, not the number.
Because, in 2006, when the Medicare Part D rollout had a rocky rollout and Bush issued a similar executive order correcting those problems, that was completely different.
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Post by Skypea on Aug 1, 2014 10:04:54 GMT
oh, well... I didn't realize that BO put off the employer mandate (and some others) to help out seniors and disable people who aren't so computer literate... (not that even the computer literate were able to sign up for BOC).
I'm sure we could do a list of laws BO has changed - and ignored and outright told DOJ to ignore.
comparing bush to BO? really? again? still? not by a smidgeon.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 1, 2014 10:49:13 GMT
I think the content of the Executive Orders is what is important, not the number.
Because, in 2006, when the Medicare Part D rollout had a rocky rollout and Bush issued a similar executive order correcting those problems, that was completely different.
Yes, it was completely different.You are comparing apples to oranges. "In 2006, With tens of thousands of people unable to get medicines promised by Medicare, the Bush administration has told insurers that they must provide a 30-day supply of any drug that a beneficiary was previously taking, and it said that poor people must not be charged more than $5 for a covered drug Link to full article
By our count at the Galen Institute, more than 42 significant changes already have been made to ObamaCare: at least 24 that President Obama has made unilaterally, 16 that Congress has passed and the president has signed, and 2 by the Supreme Court.
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Post by MerryMom on Aug 1, 2014 12:26:09 GMT
I live in Boehner's district and he's an embarrassment.
It's all part of the Republican strategy from the beginning, to deliberately delay legislation and not do their jobs, to slow the economic rebound, in order for the Obama administration to not "be successful".
In other words, to deliberately hurt American's economic status and American citizens, so they can play their games.
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Post by Skypea on Aug 1, 2014 16:18:24 GMT
I live in Boehner's district and he's an embarrassment. It's all part of the Republican strategy from the beginning, to deliberately delay legislation and not do their jobs, to slow the economic rebound, in order for the Obama administration to not "be successful". In other words, to deliberately hurt American's economic status and American citizens, so they can play their games. then please explain why the house has passed over 350 bills (on jobs, economy etc) most bipartisan and Reid will not even put them up for debate / vote??? 350 bills and the repubs are doing nothing?
I heard this a.m. that the senate bill on the border thing won't get passed (I'm sure by repubs) - why? because they will not allow any amendments to it. Once again - it's their way or the highway by BO/dems. come on dems - quit the hating! stop blocking the repubs who want to help the American people! you wonder why repubs won't vote for some of the senate bills? Where's mr compromise himself? (not) mr dictator himself! putin of the USSA!
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Post by Skypea on Aug 1, 2014 16:27:23 GMT
Because, in 2006, when the Medicare Part D rollout had a rocky rollout and Bush issued a similar executive order correcting those problems, that was completely different.
Yes, it was completely different.You are comparing apples to oranges. "In 2006, With tens of thousands of people unable to get medicines promised by Medicare, the Bush administration has told insurers that they must provide a 30-day supply of any drug that a beneficiary was previously taking, and it said that poor people must not be charged more than $5 for a covered drug Link to full article
By our count at the Galen Institute, more than 42 significant changes already have been made to ObamaCare: at least 24 that President Obama has made unilaterally, 16 that Congress has passed and the president has signed, and 2 by the Supreme Court.
what??? you mean Bush wasn't just trying to take over the government? force everything to be his way? He was trying to get the much needed meds to the seniors and disabled? And who wasn't passing a bill to do that?
reminds me of OC and those who haven't been able to get their meds now. Even I've had trouble getting mine. Too bad for those cancer patients... too bad for those vets not getting to see a dr or get meds... we sure didn't want THAT coming out prior to the 2012 election, did we? no, let's give them bonuses to lose tract of those vets in need. Better the books show we're just speeding merrily along helping all vets coming thru the VA facilities (wink, wink).
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Post by elainebenis on Aug 1, 2014 16:37:41 GMT
Because, in 2006, when the Medicare Part D rollout had a rocky rollout and Bush issued a similar executive order correcting those problems, that was completely different.
Yes, it was completely different.You are comparing apples to oranges. "In 2006, With tens of thousands of people unable to get medicines promised by Medicare, the Bush administration has told insurers that they must provide a 30-day supply of any drug that a beneficiary was previously taking, and it said that poor people must not be charged more than $5 for a covered drug Link to full article
By our count at the Galen Institute, more than 42 significant changes already have been made to ObamaCare: at least 24 that President Obama has made unilaterally, 16 that Congress has passed and the president has signed, and 2 by the Supreme Court.
22 hours ago back to *pea*ality said:
I think the content of the Executive Orders is what is important, not the number.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 16:41:57 GMT
I live in Boehner's district and he's an embarrassment. It's all part of the Republican strategy from the beginning, to deliberately delay legislation and not do their jobs, to slow the economic rebound, in order for the Obama administration to not "be successful". In other words, to deliberately hurt American's economic status and American citizens, so they can play their games. then please explain why the house has passed over 350 bills (on jobs, economy etc) most bipartisan and Reid will not even put them up for debate / vote??? 350 bills and the repubs are doing nothing?
I heard this a.m. that the senate bill on the border thing won't get passed (I'm sure by repubs) - why? because they will not allow any amendments to it. Once again - it's their way or the highway by BO/dems. come on dems - quit the hating! stop blocking the repubs who want to help the American people! you wonder why repubs won't vote for some of the senate bills? Where's mr compromise himself? (not) mr dictator himself! putin of the USSA!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2014 18:29:27 GMT
One word skypea. FILIBUSTER!!! That is why the Senate has not been very productive. I thought Harry Reid destroyed over 200 years of tradition by doing away with the filibuster. |
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Post by lucyg on Aug 1, 2014 18:33:59 GMT
One word skypea. FILIBUSTER!!! That is why the Senate has not been very productive. I thought Harry Reid destroyed over 200 years of tradition by doing away with the filibuster. I thought the Republicans did away with 200 years of tradition by filibustering every.single.bill the Democrats bring up.  |
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 2, 2014 2:13:38 GMT
People accuse republicans for not doing their job when they won't cooperate with Democrats in Congress. I find that interesting because those representatives work for the people who elected them and many of them specifically voted for people who would fight Obama's agenda tooth and nail. So to some people, their unwillingness to cooperate with Obama us exactly them doing the job their constituents elected them to do.
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Post by rebelyelle on Aug 2, 2014 2:20:15 GMT
People accuse republicans for not doing their job when they won't cooperate with Democrats in Congress. I find that interesting because those representatives work for the people who elected them and many of them specifically voted for people who would fight Obama's agenda tooth and nail. So to some people, their unwillingness to cooperate with Obama us exactly them doing the job their constituents elected them to do. If that were the case, Congress wouldn't have approval ratings nearing the single digits. |
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 2, 2014 2:37:10 GMT
Touché! Lol
So then let's stick with the fact that the House is at work doing their job to write and vote on bills. But for some reason those bills never get past Reid. Hmmmmm...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 2:39:51 GMT
"Can someone explain to me why the House is suing Obama?" It is my understanding that they are trying to deflect their own inability to do their jobs. Current Congressional approval rating? 12.3% And that's kinda high, if you ask me. Not that I want to defend many of the republicans in the house, but the house has passed over 350 bills that are dying slow deaths in the senate. Harry Reid is refusing to bring any votes to the floor of the senate, just so they can continue with the "do nothing/obstructionist Republican" theme. The Democrats are wasting our time and our money because their political mudslinging is apparently working with their base. You can tell, by the number of people who blame Fox News like idiots. The he house today passed an immigration bill. I haven't read a bit of it, so I won't comment on it, but Obama has already stated that he will veto it if it reaches his death. Which it won't. Harry will make sure of that. Besides, obama has been on his fundraising jaunts, doing nothing but lying, demonizing, and mocking republicans. How in Gods name do you expect anyone to compromise with a man who reaches out his right hand, then cold-cocks you with his left?? and yes, he has abused his executive order! He criticized bush for it bacn in 08, and has doubled down on it, using it to give favored status to his cronies, exempting them from the ACA, delaying parts that were going to be problematic for democrats. He is a partisan, rigid, unforgiving man who has no desire to work with anyone who doesn't drink his bath water. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 4:47:58 GMT
"Can someone explain to me why the House is suing Obama?" It is my understanding that they are trying to deflect their own inability to do their jobs. Current Congressional approval rating? 12.3% And that's kinda high, if you ask me. Not that I want to defend many of the republicans in the house, but the house has passed over 350 bills that are dying slow deaths in the senate. Harry Reid is refusing to bring any votes to the floor of the senate, just so they can continue with the "do nothing/obstructionist Republican" theme. The Democrats are wasting our time and our money because their political mudslinging is apparently working with their base. You can tell, by the number of people who blame Fox News like idiots. The he house today passed an immigration bill. I haven't read a bit of it, so I won't comment on it, but Obama has already stated that he will veto it if it reaches his death. Which it won't. Harry will make sure of that. Besides, obama has been on his fundraising jaunts, doing nothing but lying, demonizing, and mocking republicans. How in Gods name do you expect anyone to compromise with a man who reaches out his right hand, then cold-cocks you with his left?? and yes, he has abused his executive order! He criticized bush for it bacn in 08, and has doubled down on it, using it to give favored status to his cronies, exempting them from the ACA, delaying parts that were going to be problematic for democrats. He is a partisan, rigid, unforgiving man who has no desire to work with anyone who doesn't drink his bath water. You do understand don't you lynlam we can say exactly the same about the Republicans. Take that bill the Republicans passed today. It's just plain mean spirited and this is coming from someone who does not agree with the The President on immigration. But in this case I would want The President to veto this ridiculous bill. |
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Post by leftturnonly on Aug 2, 2014 6:03:28 GMT
I think the content of the Executive Orders is what is important, not the number. Also, as a point of reference, in June 2014 the Supreme Court ruled unanimously that the President exceeded his constitutional authority in making NLRB appointments in 2012 when he declared the Senate to be in recess. I think when the President proclaimed he would go around the Legislative process with his phone and pen the SCOTUS sat up and took notice. And why is he doing that? Is it because he wants to or is he being forced to this to get something done.
Too bad he's on such bad terms with Harry Reid, who is sitting on something like 300+ bills. If only the Executive Branch and the Senate would work together. Obama's actions should scare all of us. He has pushed beyond the limits of the office. But this lawsuit? Seems like going to a sword fight armed with a wet noodle. |
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Post by Skypea on Aug 2, 2014 8:59:11 GMT
then please explain why the house has passed over 350 bills (on jobs, economy etc) most bipartisan and Reid will not even put them up for debate / vote??? 350 bills and the repubs are doing nothing?
I heard this a.m. that the senate bill on the border thing won't get passed (I'm sure by repubs) - why? because they will not allow any amendments to it. Once again - it's their way or the highway by BO/dems. come on dems - quit the hating! stop blocking the repubs who want to help the American people! you wonder why repubs won't vote for some of the senate bills? Where's mr compromise himself? (not) mr dictator himself! putin of the USSA!
One word skypea. FILIBUSTER!!! That is why the Senate has not been very productive.
OK, how many filibusters have there been?
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Post by Skypea on Aug 2, 2014 9:09:31 GMT
Not that I want to defend many of the republicans in the house, but the house has passed over 350 bills that are dying slow deaths in the senate. Harry Reid is refusing to bring any votes to the floor of the senate, just so they can continue with the "do nothing/obstructionist Republican" theme. The Democrats are wasting our time and our money because their political mudslinging is apparently working with their base. You can tell, by the number of people who blame Fox News like idiots. yep. the repubs are working away at writing bills and if the senate brought them up for debate or vote, then they couldn't keep saying the repubs aren't doing anything. This way probably the majority of their base believes them... the left doesn't like Fox because fox puts a lot of news out that the MM doesn't. Things BO doesn't want put out there. He controls the majority of the media. |
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Post by Skypea on Aug 2, 2014 9:35:24 GMT
The he house today passed an immigration bill. I haven't read a bit of it, so I won't comment on it, but Obama has already stated that he will veto it if it reaches his desk. Which it won't. Harry will make sure of that. I heard that also. So he slams them for doing nothing (tho not true) and then says if they DO anything he'll veto it anyway. It wouldn't even get to his desk 'cause Reid won't let it. And what did the Senate do? They didn't pass a bill. Reid wouldn't allow any amendments so theirs didn't pass. what it comes down to is you pass a bill exactly the way BO wants it to be or else... he wants total control. It doesn't matter to him that those in congress work for the people who voted for them. you do what BO says or you pay...he's a bully.
just like a dictator would do... he doesn't have to go by the rules (constitution) 'cause he's the almighty BO!
he really doesn't want the repubs to compromise. Compromise still means he doesn't get it ALL his way. This way he just blames it on the repubs.
Did you see those behind him today? laughing and clapping when he cut down repubs? (using his inner city activist voice) He's such a bad example for our young people. No wonder more of our young people are acting like that. If a classmate or coworker of one of their kids did that to their kid (or even them) they'd be the ones shouting 'bully' and complaining to the school, the other parents etc. He's a bad example for his own girls.
he's never had any intention of working with the repubs - or following the constitution.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 13:08:44 GMT
Oh FFS. Obama is not a dictator, doesn't control the media or any of that other bs skypea.
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 2, 2014 14:28:33 GMT
Oh FFS. Obama is not a dictator, doesn't control the media or any of that other bs skypea. You may not think so but there is some truth to this It's just too simple to blame the republicans for not doing anything. But if you look close enough you see the House writing and voting on hundreds of bills and Reid and Obama not allowing them to get anywhere. The only bills that move through Congress are the ones written by the President... And then when they're flawed bills he uses executive order to change it up without going through the Constitutional process. So while I'm not entirely happy with congress playing games, they've been backed into a corner where they have few other options in order to get things moving. |
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Post by gardengoddess on Aug 2, 2014 14:30:15 GMT
That entirely depends on your political perspective. I personally didn't think it was so great when President Bush signed an executive order exempting us from portions of the Geneva Convention so that we could waterboard prisoners or the one where he absolved religious organizations from following anti-discrimination hiring laws or when he signed a National Security Directive giving himself virtually unlimited authority in the event of a national emergency. The point being, of course, that whether or not you think the content of an executive order is egregious has more to do with the person signing the order than the power to issue them in the first place. My thoughts exactly and when I started reading about the "it's not the quantity, it's the quality" conservative rhetoric, I was surprised they would trot that out considering previous uses of EO. IMO it's just to try and spin that this President hasn't signed nearly as many as previous Presidents. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 14:45:03 GMT
One word skypea. FILIBUSTER!!! That is why the Senate has not been very productive.
OK, how many filibusters have there been?
Google it. Great thing Google. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 14:53:21 GMT
And why is he doing that? Is it because he wants to or is he being forced to this to get something done.
Too bad he's on such bad terms with Harry Reid, who is sitting on something like 300+ bills. If only the Executive Branch and the Senate would work together. Obama's actions should scare all of us. He has pushed beyond the limits of the office. But this lawsuit? Seems like going to a sword fight armed with a wet noodle. Be specofic. So far you and others are talking in generalities with nothing concrete to offer. Make your case with specific facts otherwise all this belongs on my favorite site "Politicalfiction.com" |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2014 20:02:32 GMT
SSDD
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Post by Kymberlee on Aug 2, 2014 22:46:25 GMT
I find it ironic that so many on this thread are talking about compromise. What would the point of the legislature compromising if the executive branch could then choose to only implement the aspects of a law they agree with. This is a constitutional issue. The executive branch cannot nullify or delay aspects of a signed law. Although I certainly am not going to argue that the fact that actually implementing the ACA as written would be extremely unpopular and hurt Democrats in the midterm election isn't playing a role in driving the issue. It is too late for compromise. The law has been signed and should be followed unless the correct procedures are followed to CHANGE it. If we as a country allow ANY president the leeway to pick and choose what laws are enforced, we are doomed as a country. It seems to be happening with immigration also and I think that is what concerns me the most. It seems that there is a very dangerous game of chicken being played between the legislative and executive branches and it isn't going to end well for the American people regardless of whether or not you are a D or an R. I don't like the idea of this lawsuit because I don't think it can end well for either party involved, but I'm not really sure what the Republicans are supposed to do. Should they ignore the blatant disregard for the law just because they might end up with egg on their face? Should they go through with impeachment procedures? It is just such a shame that it has come to this, and there is plenty of blame to go around. |
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Post by lindywholoveskids on Aug 2, 2014 23:53:43 GMT
I agree that this is ridiculous. It's a game. the only thing that can happen that's positive is if the Republicans (Tea anyone?) and Democrats find some kind of common language. I am just disgusted about this lawsuit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 0:40:18 GMT
Yea I agree one day someone might actually have some specifics instead typing out words that add nothing to the discussion. |
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Post by *KatyCupcake* on Aug 3, 2014 0:53:15 GMT
Hmmm. I spelled it out specifically for you. Perhaps you missed it.
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