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Post by mlynn on May 29, 2016 2:21:44 GMT
I tell children that all feelings are ok. However, feelings do not rule our behavior. I would talk to him and say this. Then I would brainstorm about more appropriate ways to behave when having those feelings. Then I would take him to the golf place to apologize to the owner for behaving inappropriately at his place of business. Maybe have him write it out ahead of time so he doe to forget what he needs to say. Perhaps offer to pick up litter or something at the business to make amends.
A natural consequence of how he treated his father is for him to not be allowed to go anywhere with his father (and you?) until he can build some trust back. False accusations are never ok. Whether he feels like showing respect or not, he should be respectful towards adults. Again, discuss more appropriate ways to behave in spite of his feelings.
Part of the problem may be ignorance. He may not know how to behave in some situation. I have a young friend that I will coach on how to behave. Sometimes she asks, sometimes I notice something. For instance, I used to take her to gymnastics. She LOVES the velour leos, and had a tendency to reach out and rub the leos of classmates. I acknowledged that they feel really cool. I told her that if she wanted to touch a girls leo, to tell her she liked it and ask if it would be ok to touch it. And we talked about how to respond to either response.
I also taught her about respecting adults. I told her that when an adult makes a request, as long as it is reasonable, you do it. Your son did not do this at the golf place or regarding getting in the van.
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Post by nlwilkins on May 29, 2016 3:12:52 GMT
The yelling about child abuse is what got my attention. Perhaps you need to explain to him that many children who are in child abuse situations do not get to stay home. They are taken out of the home, put in sterile environemnts, shoelaces are removed from their shoes, and anything else that can be used to harm themselves. Literally they are treated like prisoners and allowed no privacy. True child abuse victims are in such an emotional state this is required. But it would not be something your son would enjoy.
Then you have to consider that children yelling this rarely are taken seriously and that most adults know it for what it is - a threat to his father and not the truth. Next time he tries it, your DH should just laugh let him know that this is not something that people will take seriously.
Have you noticed that electronic games tend to bring out the worst in him after playing them? It seems that my grandson gets really competitive and unruly after screen time. Perhaps you need to monitor the games he is playing and make sure that they are not too violent or agressive.
AS far as punishiment fitting to the behavior, it would be hard to make the connection now that hours perhaps a day has past. Also if this in an ongoing problem, there is not going to be one catch all solution. It will be an ongoing work and you and DH will have to work together on. Unruly behavior needs to be nipped in the bud, always. Any games should be shut down immediately when poor sportmanship shows up. Games should be cut back but not cut out. How is he to learn if he is not practicing? Let him practice on minor type games until he gets the hang of losing gracefully and then move on up to games that he is more invested in. Perhaps being too invested is the problem, but you will be able to get a better handle on what is going on by going slowly.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 3:18:33 GMT
You're asking for a punishment to fit the crime. I disagree with those who are saying to pull him from competitive sports, as that is a wonderful place to learn how to lose with grace. This behaviour didn't happen at the game, so punishing by benching him would not normally be appropriate. The problem is that your husband threatened him with not playing, so he should follow through on that. If not following through is a common thing, then that needs to be worked on as parents. Don't threaten with a punishment you're not willing to enforce. I don't agree with him being a brat... sounds like overall he's a good kid, but immature in this area. After all, he's 10. With my kids, no screens is a great punishment and that threat is usually enough (although I have followed through on several occasions). I would be having a heart-to-heart about respect for parents, and crying wolf. Before playing another game, he should be reminded of how he should handle losing, and told what the repercussions will be if he has a meltdown. Learning to lose with grace AT HOME is also a wonderful place to start. Had he been able to lose gracefully in the family he wouldn't have had a public melt down. Being allowed to compete in the pulic is the reward for learning to lose gracefully in the family/private.
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Post by J u l e e on May 29, 2016 3:49:38 GMT
DH tried to quit, and DS got more and more agitated. There were people around, and DH was getting embarrassed. He warned DS several times, and tried to walk away, and DS continued to act up. DH told him if he didn't stop, he would spank him Honestly, it just doesn't sound like all that solid of a plan from the start. Your husband tried to quit, warned son several times, and also tried to walk away. How was he not able to actually quit and walk away? And threatening to spank a ten year old?! I don't even know what to say about that. Just let your son know from the start what he can actually expect. Use a "if/then" for his behavior. "Hey, I'd love to play putt putt with you. I plan to continue playing as long as it's enjoyable and we're having fun together. If you start getting agitated (whatever that means for his behavior - nasty voice/words, kicking things, not speaking, being rude, etc.), I will be finished playing the game with you and will walk to the car. I'll wait in the car until you quietly join me and we can try again another day."
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Post by JustTricia on May 29, 2016 4:16:24 GMT
The yelling about child abuse is what got my attention. Perhaps you need to explain to him that many children who are in child abuse situations do not get to stay home. They are taken out of the home, put in sterile environemnts, shoelaces are removed from their shoes, and anything else that can be used to harm themselves. Literally they are treated like prisoners and allowed no privacy. True child abuse victims are in such an emotional state this is required. But it would not be something your son would enjoy. Then you have to consider that children yelling this rarely are taken seriously and that most adults know it for what it is - a threat to his father and not the truth. Next time he tries it, your DH should just laugh let him know that this is not something that people will take seriously. Disagree vehemently with the second paragraph. What happens if a friend confides in him about being abused or the son is abused by someone else (teacher, etc)? You, as his parent, as the one person he should trust, just told him he won't be taken seriously. I understand crying wolf, but that's why you make damn sure he understands the severity of saying it and never to claim it falsely again.
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Post by anniebygaslight on May 29, 2016 6:34:56 GMT
I had a certain amount of sympathy for the kid, young, learning how to cope etc, until I got to the bit where he shouted 'child abuse'. He sounds a manipulative little so and so. He needs a sharp lesson. When he gets out into the real world, he won't be mentally prepared to deal with others who demand to win, if he isn't pulled up sharp.
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Post by katiejane on May 29, 2016 7:15:38 GMT
DH tried to quit, and DS got more and more agitated. There were people around, and DH was getting embarrassed. He warned DS several times, and tried to walk away, and DS continued to act up. DH told him if he didn't stop, he would spank him Honestly, it just doesn't sound like all that solid of a plan from the start. Your husband tried to quit, warned son several times, and also tried to walk away. How was he not able to actually quit and walk away? And threatening to spank a ten year old?! I don't even know what to say about that. Just let your son know from the start what he can actually expect. Use a "if/then" for his behavior. "Hey, I'd love to play putt putt with you. I plan to continue playing as long as it's enjoyable and we're having fun together. If you start getting agitated (whatever that means for his behavior - nasty voice/words, kicking things, not speaking, being rude, etc.), I will be finished playing the game with you and will walk to the car. I'll wait in the car until you quietly join me and we can try again another day." This flagged to me. Dh could of handled it better. I would of clearer laid out the unacceptable attitude (listing it clearly), explained it was no fun, maybe given a chance to change and if no change we would be gone. Back in the car. At 10 he could kick off by himself. But it would b shortlived with no audience. Threats are pointless if not carried out. DH let it escalate. And they both got angry and the suitation went pear shaped. I would have a chat about his behaviour. But it sounds like bad sportsmanship his been an ongoing thing and it will take alot of effort on both sides to change. what does he think about losing and winning? What does he think good sportmanship is? I would play more games in the house and praise him and reward for positive attitude. And deal with the negative then and there. As for the child abuse cries. I would explain what that is and why it is destructive and wrong and how we should help friends and ways we could. Talk about how he felt about the spanking threat, and why his dad thought it was a valid option. But all in all, the mini golf incident was a whoops a daisy on both sides. I think you need to look at the bigger picture of what your plan is to deal with the behaviour long term and how you plan to parent him when he has an attitude melt down.
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Post by nlwilkins on May 29, 2016 8:47:28 GMT
The yelling about child abuse is what got my attention. Perhaps you need to explain to him that many children who are in child abuse situations do not get to stay home. They are taken out of the home, put in sterile environemnts, shoelaces are removed from their shoes, and anything else that can be used to harm themselves. Literally they are treated like prisoners and allowed no privacy. True child abuse victims are in such an emotional state this is required. But it would not be something your son would enjoy. Then you have to consider that children yelling this rarely are taken seriously and that most adults know it for what it is - a threat to his father and not the truth. Next time he tries it, your DH should just laugh let him know that this is not something that people will take seriously. Disagree vehemently with the second paragraph. What happens if a friend confides in him about being abused or the son is abused by someone else (teacher, etc)? You, as his parent, as the one person he should trust, just told him he won't be taken seriously. I understand crying wolf, but that's why you make damn sure he understands the severity of saying it and never to claim it falsely again. Get your point and maybe I was not too clear. I am not saying to tell this to the son, but to the father. That makes it easier for the father to handle it better knowing that people around him are not immediately jumping to the conclusion about him being an abuser. When I am out and about and if I hear that being shouted at a parent, I do check the situation, but don't jump to the conclusion about the parent being an abuser.
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Post by Lindarina on May 29, 2016 8:59:52 GMT
Does he have similar meltdowns often, just that this one was bigger than usual? My son is gluten intolerant. We have him on a gluten free diet to control tics, but if he eats gluten now he will often have an emotional meltdown. He's almost 13 and will seriously throw a toddler tantrum if he accidentally eats gluten. It's like he gets possessed by a gluten demon  Just wanted to add that perspective. For the crime and punishment dilemma, I think I would separate the two main issues - competitiveness and his rude behavior towards his father. Have you considered making family board game night a weekly tradition? That way you can practice winning and losing in a controlled environment. You could share your expectations for behavior with him before every game and even add a reward system.
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Post by camcas on May 29, 2016 9:13:26 GMT
He is 10.... And has poor impulse control like 10 yr olds do Physical punishment just inflames the situation and makes everyone feel bad IMO I agree 2 separate issues For the crying wolf...a good talking to and loss of electronics ( "unplugged" in our household) for an agreed time- by far the more lesson worthy of the misdemeanors I think For the bad sportsmanship I like the idea of the previous poster of benching him and perhaps giving him a team building job like handing out the water bottles...give him a chance to learn from his peers, after explaining in detail why he was benched. In our team environment that would also mean he would shake hands with the opposing team members and umpires before and after the game and also thank the scorers for their help with the rest of the team,all good modelling for him. Also...very clear explanations of HOW to behave next time,not just why you are upset
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Post by camcas on May 29, 2016 9:16:37 GMT
I also like the idea of practising winning and losing using a board game or card game IMO ( I have a lot of opinions today..!), as an adult ,manipulating the game to allow kids to win or lose allows you to teach them how to behave appropriately for each outcome Unless they are 15 going on 35 like my younger DS and too smart for their own good and then you will have to resort to the old saying..." Age and treachery will always overcome youth and skill"...aka cheat!Ha!
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Post by brina on May 29, 2016 12:54:23 GMT
You're asking for a punishment to fit the crime. I disagree with those who are saying to pull him from competitive sports, as that is a wonderful place to learn how to lose with grace. This behaviour didn't happen at the game, so punishing by benching him would not normally be appropriate. The problem is that your husband threatened him with not playing, so he should follow through on that. If not following through is a common thing, then that needs to be worked on as parents. Don't threaten with a punishment you're not willing to enforce. I don't agree with him being a brat... sounds like overall he's a good kid, but immature in this area. After all, he's 10. With my kids, no screens is a great punishment and that threat is usually enough (although I have followed through on several occasions). I would be having a heart-to-heart about respect for parents, and crying wolf. Before playing another game, he should be reminded of how he should handle losing, and told what the repercussions will be if he has a meltdown. You contradict yourself here. You claim that benching in soccer does not fit the crime of being a bad sport at golf, but then you agree that taking away screen time is a good punishment. If anything the screen time has less connection to his behavior than the soccer game. I am still on the side of benching him for one soccer game. Explain that if he cannot be a good sport in both victory and defeat than he is not allowed to compete. I would not leave him home, but have him there on the bench, helping and cheering on his teammates, not sulking.
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Post by cmhs on May 29, 2016 12:59:58 GMT
I haven't read all of the responses but I'm wondering if the meltdown was exacerbated because he was possibly tired, hungry, dehydrated, etc. from having played in the tournament. It's certainly no excuse for the underlying problem of being a poor sport but I know that whenever one or more of those factors comes into play with me or my kids, things can devolve pretty quickly into a meltdown.
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Post by eleezybeth on May 29, 2016 13:28:39 GMT
Why are we okaying this name calling of a 10 year old child? If he "is a brat" or was he "acting bratty." He sounds like a great kid who is 10, a boy, who is probably a bit immature about how to manage the emotions that come with losing. Do you as an adult like to lose? Most don't. We've just learned to manage the emotions better. Damn, nearly everyday there is a post here about losing something as an adult and we can muster some sympathy (ex. I didn't get the job). Was his behavior acceptable? Absolutely not. But to call him names??
The kid lost a game of mini-golf, dad made a threat based on what he assumed the kid's currency was. Dad needs to follow thru. If the kid's currency isn't playing soccer then dad needs to be reminded what works.
For us... if you lose control and can't get it together, I take control. My almost 10 DD's currency is screens and control. If she loses screens, next is control. I make all the choices. A few days of mom picking out her clothes and telling her how to comb her hair works. We get to have the long conversation about controlling our words, using her words appropriately and we talk a lot about feelings. The "THINK before you speak" poster comes out and she will write lines on her words. She has written essays on virtues that are important to our family. She has written a couple twice. She/we aren't perfect but she is learning, growing and going forward. She isn't a brat because she is human. She isn't a horrible child because she gets overwhelmed. But she will be taught.
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Post by anxiousmom on May 29, 2016 13:31:12 GMT
I've never been a big fan of punishing a child by taking away a sport (particularly a team sport) for a behavior that occurred outside of that team/sport. Particularly a team sport-there is an implied commitment to the team and pulling one person from the team feels to me like punishing everyone on the team for the child's behavior. One thing I saw is that dad is the coach? I noticed over the years of two kids playing soccer that when a kid's dad coached the team, often the kid felt like they had to perform at a higher level to 'make dad proud' and disappointment was greater when the kid felt like they had let him down. (And this was true for my own kids as well.) Maybe it is time that dad steps aside and your son plays for a different coach-different coaching styles lead to different behaviors and different lessons about sportsmanship. And your son is 10-as far as sportsmanship is concerned, he is still heavily into the learning curve. This is the time where you find your mantra and stick with it- mine was always 'there will always be someone who plays better and someone who plays worse, your job is to have fun, play your best and be a good sport win, lose or tie.' As for the yelling of abuse thing, I am not sure what I would have done.
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Post by mrsscrapdiva on May 29, 2016 13:45:00 GMT
I didn't have time to read thru everyone's posts, but without a doubt, he needs to write and apology letter to your husband/his father. On top of that something else more profound. I would drill into him what child abuse really is and he spoiled he acted and how inappropriate that it.
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Post by Merge on May 29, 2016 13:52:26 GMT
I'd like to look at this from a different angle rather than suggesting punishments: what examples and expectations of excellent sportsmanship and respect for others has he been shown? Maybe a summer research project on JJ Watt or another athlete known both for excellence and sportsmanship would be in order. (It may dawn on him as well that JJ Watt treats his parents with enormous respect.) What is the culture of sportsmanship on his team? His dad, as coach, has enormous power to influence not only your son but all the boys on the team. What are the expectations around congratulating other athletes on a game well played (whether win or lose)? What expectations exist for behavior off the field? These things should be discussed at practice. Perhaps the team could also work together on some community service projects.
One thing I was really impressed with at the school I taught at this year was the way the sports coaches expected discipline, respect and sportsmanship from the players on and off the field. We teachers had to sign forms weekly for each athlete to show whether they had been completing their work, treating us and others with respect, and generally representing the school at the highest level. If not, they weren't allowed to play. It made a huge difference in the way many of the kids acted inside of school.
Unfortunately, there are tons of examples of bad sportsmanship and poor behavior in college and professional sports, and kids grow up confused about how real men act. I have respect for coaches who bench or remove players who are not representing the team well both on and off the field, and even more respect for those who demonstrate and communicate behavior expectations in these situations. I'm paraphrasing here, but if you were ever a fan of Friday Night Lights, Coach Taylor liked to say that he wasn't just coaching football players, he was building men. That included demonstrating and guiding appropriate behavior, and assigning consequences for poor behavior when needed. But the demonstrating and guiding was always the first priority.
As for the "child abuse" thing, I would talk to him and ask if he thought through the potential consequences of what he said there. Probably he didn't, and simply wished to stop the punishment. Ask him - was what you said truthful? And if not, what kind of person do you want to be? Do you want to be someone whose word is respected and believed, or someone who is known as a liar? Kids are impulsive and needed to be guided to think through their choices. He's at a very pivotal age for developing character and behavior, and your husband is in a unique position as both dad and coach to shape the man he will become. I would encourage him to think less toward punishment (including threatening spankings) and more toward how he can positively influence and shape your son's behavior going forward.
Just my two cents.
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Post by Bridget in MD on May 29, 2016 14:07:54 GMT
Why are we okaying this name calling of a 10 year old child? If he "is a brat" or was he "acting bratty." He sounds like a great kid who is 10, a boy, who is probably a bit immature about how to manage the emotions that come with losing. Do you as an adult like to lose? Most don't. We've just learned to manage the emotions better. Damn, nearly everyday there is a post here about losing something as an adult and we can muster some sympathy (ex. I didn't get the job). Was his behavior acceptable? Absolutely not. But to call him names?? The kid lost a game of mini-golf, dad made a threat based on what he assumed the kid's currency was. Dad needs to follow thru. If the kid's currency isn't playing soccer then dad needs to be reminded what works. For us... if you lose control and can't get it together, I take control. My almost 10 DD's currency is screens and control. If she loses screens, next is control. I make all the choices. A few days of mom picking out her clothes and telling her how to comb her hair works. We get to have the long conversation about controlling our words, using her words appropriately and we talk a lot about feelings. The "THINK before you speak" poster comes out and she will write lines on her words. She has written essays on virtues that are important to our family. She has written a couple twice. She/we aren't perfect but she is learning, growing and going forward. She isn't a brat because she is human. She isn't a horrible child because she gets overwhelmed. But she will be taught. Thank you - he is not a brat. He had a bad moment - a really bad one! - but overall, he is not a brat. Next season, DH is not his coach. He's switching teams due to US Soccer's re-alignment of age groups, so his current team is breaking up, and he'll be playing for a different team, and a new coach. I think it will be good for both of them - my DH never wanted to coach, but no one else stepped up, and just like someone mentioned about being a GS leader for a daughter (which I am too, and can TOTALLY relate!) it's a totally different balance when you are the leader for your child's activity. They are 2 hrs away from home at this tournament, and I am not sure what transpired last night or this morning when the tournament resumed. I told DH I would support whatever he decided, but that when they got home, DS was losing all electronics for a LONG time, and he and I will be exploring what REAL child abuse is, and have discussions about that. I also like the idea of him earning his dad's respect & trust back with family game nights (which we do, although they are not as frequent in the spring or fall). DH is a great dad, and I don't think DS realizes what he's done or how badly he has hurt both of us. I appreciate everyone's replies.
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Post by YooHoot on May 29, 2016 14:26:08 GMT
Why are we okaying this name calling of a 10 year old child? If he "is a brat" or was he "acting bratty." He sounds like a great kid who is 10, a boy, who is probably a bit immature about how to manage the emotions that come with losing. Do you as an adult like to lose? Most don't. We've just learned to manage the emotions better. Damn, nearly everyday there is a post here about losing something as an adult and we can muster some sympathy (ex. I didn't get the job). Was his behavior acceptable? Absolutely not. But to call him names?? The kid lost a game of mini-golf, dad made a threat based on what he assumed the kid's currency was. Dad needs to follow thru. If the kid's currency isn't playing soccer then dad needs to be reminded what works. For us... if you lose control and can't get it together, I take control. My almost 10 DD's currency is screens and control. If she loses screens, next is control. I make all the choices. A few days of mom picking out her clothes and telling her how to comb her hair works. We get to have the long conversation about controlling our words, using her words appropriately and we talk a lot about feelings. The "THINK before you speak" poster comes out and she will write lines on her words. She has written essays on virtues that are important to our family. She has written a couple twice. She/we aren't perfect but she is learning, growing and going forward. She isn't a brat because she is human. She isn't a horrible child because she gets overwhelmed. But she will be taught. Thank you - he is not a brat. He had a bad moment - a really bad one! - but overall, he is not a brat. Next season, DH is not his coach. He's switching teams due to US Soccer's re-alignment of age groups, so his current team is breaking up, and he'll be playing for a different team, and a new coach. I think it will be good for both of them - my DH never wanted to coach, but no one else stepped up, and just like someone mentioned about being a GS leader for a daughter (which I am too, and can TOTALLY relate!) it's a totally different balance when you are the leader for your child's activity. They are 2 hrs away from home at this tournament, and I am not sure what transpired last night or this morning when the tournament resumed. I told DH I would support whatever he decided, but that when they got home, DS was losing all electronics for a LONG time, and he and I will be exploring what REAL child abuse is, and have discussions about that. I also like the idea of him earning his dad's respect & trust back with family game nights (which we do, although they are not as frequent in the spring or fall). DH is a great dad, and I don't think DS realizes what he's done or how badly he has hurt both of us. I appreciate everyone's replies. I think a long day in the sun, being tired etc can make anyone not act like themselves. Combine that with dad being the coach and feeling the need to step up you game for dad probably makes for a stressed out kiddo. I like the idea of addressing the abuse thing though. That's definitely something that needs to be explained to him in a calm manner like you intend to do.
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Post by scrapaddie on May 29, 2016 14:55:57 GMT
Your child had a full blown tantrum.... He should be benched for the game.... Or at least the first half.
Not playing at all for six months is too long for a punishment , IMHO, and does not teach sportsmanship.
1. Talk to the coach about the problem.... He may be able to teach some skills to the entire team, especially if he enforces punishments
2. Any chance you and your child, or dh and your child , could volunteer for special Olympics, or perhaps coach a child you will be in the olympics.... You will find amazing examples of sportsmanship there!!
3. The child abuse threat needs to be addressed directly!
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Post by johnnysmom on May 29, 2016 16:49:48 GMT
For a punishment that fits the crime, imo, that would be losing out on doing competitive activities with the family (since he appears to be able to stay in control during sports). That would mean no games with sis, no mini golf with dad, no racing to the car or anything of that sort.
If he thinks that he has it so bad that he's abused he's not only have to examine what real abuse is like but he'd lose a lot of "perks". You only have to provide him with a place to sleep, clothes, food and education. Anything beyond that could be removed. Toys, rides to a friends house, special treats, outings, electronics. He thinks his life is so bad now, he has no idea. I realize it's not the same as being physically abused but clearly you're not going to beat him to prove a point.
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Post by gar on May 29, 2016 16:59:25 GMT
For a punishment that fits the crime, imo, that would be losing out on doing competitive activities with the family (since he appears to be able to stay in control during sports). That would mean no games with sis, no mini golf with dad, no racing to the car or anything of that sort. If he thinks that he has it so bad that he's abused he's not only have to examine what real abuse is like but he'd lose a lot of "perks". You only have to provide him with a place to sleep, clothes, food and education. Anything beyond that could be removed. Toys, rides to a friends house, special treats, outings, electronics. He thinks his life is so bad now, he has no idea. I realize it's not the same as being physically abused but clearly you're not going to beat him to prove a point. He's 10. Kids say things they don't mean or fully understand all the time at that age! I doubt he really thinks he has an awful life - he was saying something inappropriate on impulse and so needs to be taught what child abuse really means and why shouting that is inappropriate.
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Post by Lindarina on May 29, 2016 17:09:37 GMT
Just to add a another perspective... In many countries, mine as well, spanking IS considered child abuse. I believe there are better ways of diciplining a child, but flame away ladies ETA: I still think you should have a long talk with your son about how serious child abuse is, and that those accusations should never be thrown out like that.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2016 18:38:31 GMT
I think the situation is a little more complex than just simple one-off punishment. Things that stand out to me: - it's an ongoing issue - your DH took him from one sport to another sport - maybe some downtime would have been better - your DH threatened to spank him - DH is the coach - your son might be interacting with your DH to seek approval. He maybe seeing your DH interact with other kids who are getting his attention that he is competing with
...all speculation but just things to think about
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Post by shannoots on May 29, 2016 19:33:37 GMT
I don't see how not letting him play soccer fits the crime. The "crime" wasn't at the soccer game-it was playing miniature golf.
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Post by johnnysmom on May 29, 2016 20:33:45 GMT
For a punishment that fits the crime, imo, that would be losing out on doing competitive activities with the family (since he appears to be able to stay in control during sports). That would mean no games with sis, no mini golf with dad, no racing to the car or anything of that sort. If he thinks that he has it so bad that he's abused he's not only have to examine what real abuse is like but he'd lose a lot of "perks". You only have to provide him with a place to sleep, clothes, food and education. Anything beyond that could be removed. Toys, rides to a friends house, special treats, outings, electronics. He thinks his life is so bad now, he has no idea. I realize it's not the same as being physically abused but clearly you're not going to beat him to prove a point. He's 10. Kids say things they don't mean or fully understand all the time at that age! I doubt he really thinks he has an awful life - he was saying something inappropriate on impulse and so needs to be taught what child abuse really means and why shouting that is inappropriate. I read the op that this is not a one-time thing if so then perhaps just a firm chat is all that is needed. I certainly didn't mean forever either. Just a week or two would probably do it.
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Post by christine58 on May 30, 2016 11:30:37 GMT
discussions about that. I also like the idea of him earning his dad's respect & trust back with family game nights (which we do, although they are not as frequent in the spring or fall). DH is a great dad, and I don't think DS realizes what he's done or how badly he has hurt both of us. I appreciate everyone's replie He needs a real good discussion about children who are abused and how serious that comment was that he made. But you also said this has happened in the past--not the comment but the the behavior. Nip it now or you're going to have a real issue. I still think he needs to write a letter of apology to where he played putt putt. I am sure people saw him....he needs to own his behavior.
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momto4kiddos
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Post by momto4kiddos on May 30, 2016 12:05:57 GMT
I have grown boys, one fairly competitive who has been known to grumble about not winning, bad plays, etc. He definitely had to be reminded to keep it in check when playing mini golf or bowling with the family.
The big difference is that he may have grumbled or needed to be reminded to keep it in check, BUT he was not full on disrespecting us. There is a huge difference between being competitive and not being able to keep yourself under control. Screaming abuse on a public mini golf course is completely horrifying and unacceptable. I'm amazed your dh kept himself in control at that point. I would most definitely hit him were it hurts, if electronics are his thing then that is where i'd start. He may be a good kid in general, but the disrespect he showed here would have me considering punishing him for a good long time.
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Post by Kath on May 30, 2016 13:21:32 GMT
If I could go back and live my life again, knowing what I know now, and have someone threaten me with spanking at the age of 10, I would yell child abuse too, because it is. I would defend myself the second time around.
What defenses does a 10-year-old have against a full grown man threatening to strike him on the butt several times and the kid's a couple of years away from being a teenager? Just stop and think of that mental picture for a moment.
I don't know anyone who engages in this type of behavior. It's outdated, and we as society should have moved on from striking children as "discipline." I don't even know how it's legal that you can't hit adults, but you can hit children.
I think your husband should reexamine his parenting skills. Telling your kid you're going to smack them on the rear at age 10, which is coming up on teen years, is childish and immature and just bad parenting in my book.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2016 13:45:28 GMT
I won't add anything further with regards to what punishment this behavior warrants. I think that's been discussed well enough to this point. I will say this: You are right that he needs to know that his behavior and words hurt. And we as parents need to be honest that our emotions count too. I found that once I let my kids know that I wasn't an emotionless robot who didn't feel a thing, they came around quicker when things got out of hand. At 10 he's old enough for a real sit down conversation about how we treat people we love. It's also important that we as parents recognize our own mistakes and own up to them. My kids received many apologies from me because guess what? I'm not perfect and just like them, I make mistakes and respond inappropriately sometimes.
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