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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 2, 2016 16:54:35 GMT
"Music megastar Prince died from an overdose of opioid painkillers, a law enforcement official told the Associated Press on Thursday. The official, a source with knowledge of the death investigation, spoke to AP on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media. Minnesota investigators have reportedly finished an autopsy and toxicology testing, but have not publicly released the findings. The news follows weeks of speculation that the 57-year-old singer was addicted to pain medications when he was found dead April 21 at his Paisley Park estate. Prince’s use of painkillers and how he obtained them has been the focus of a criminal investigation. A judge has sealed all records in the case, but no charges are known to have been filed." Such a shame. But doesn't piss anyone else off that here you have a law enforcement official reporting this to the AP, but in the same breath they report that the Leo was "under anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the case@ ?? Just goes to show that the Leo was probably paid for the story. Also read that there is video of Prince eating a bottle of pills, that he knew he had AIDS and that he didn't have much more time to live. I SWEAR I HATE THE MEDIA!!!! They report whatever they want with no accountability, because to have them retract it, one would have to sue and by then it's a joke, the damage is done.
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Post by Loydene on Jun 2, 2016 17:10:39 GMT
What is "AUDS"?
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Post by peppermintpatty on Jun 2, 2016 17:18:24 GMT
It was a typo. It is reported that he contracted HIV in the 90's but six months ago developed full blown AIDS. Apparently he refused treatment for it, concentrating on prayer to heal him. Of course this is on the internet and we know how true everything is:)
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Post by StephDRebel on Jun 2, 2016 17:19:21 GMT
It didn't take much time or thought at all to realize that it's supposed to be an I instead of U considering AIDS is pretty common, and the two letters are right next to each other.
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Post by JustTricia on Jun 2, 2016 17:24:40 GMT
I've read a few articles on this. All reference the person who spoke to the press either had knowledge of the investigation, was close to the investigation, a source familiar with the investigation, and that they were not authorized to speak with the press. Screams did it for money.
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Post by shevy on Jun 2, 2016 17:28:42 GMT
But for those of us who HAVE gone through every other treatment and have had no lessening of the pain, getting any narcotics to help has become a path of hell. I was told last month by a pain clinic, who is supposed to be supporting me through my chronic pain that has gotten worse I the last 5 years, that "Some people just need to get used to living in pain."
I should not have to live every day in pain like this, because those who went before me misused the drug that may help me.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 2, 2016 18:06:44 GMT
I completely agree
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Post by pridemom on Jun 2, 2016 18:08:09 GMT
Chronic pain killed him. Overdosing on opioids was a bi-product of his pain. We must do better in treating people with chronic pain.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 2, 2016 18:09:28 GMT
But for those of us who HAVE gone through every other treatment and have had no lessening of the pain, getting any narcotics to help has become a path of hell. I was told last month by a pain clinic, who is supposed to be supporting me through my chronic pain that has gotten worse I the last 5 years, that "Some people just need to get used to living in pain."
I should not have to live every day in pain like this, because those who went before me misused the drug that may help me.
Finding the balance is where the problem is We can't have a one size fits all solution but that is what is always looked for
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 2, 2016 18:13:12 GMT
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 2, 2016 18:14:59 GMT
I've read a few articles on this. All reference the person who spoke to the press either had knowledge of the investigation, was close to the investigation, a source familiar with the investigation, and that they were not authorized to speak with the press. Screams did it for money. Exactly. I'm getting so sick of "the media" people who are not authorized to speak about the case need to have their asses prosecuted or fired for leaking and accepting $$$ for stories.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on Jun 2, 2016 19:12:11 GMT
But for those of us who HAVE gone through every other treatment and have had no lessening of the pain, getting any narcotics to help has become a path of hell. I was told last month by a pain clinic, who is supposed to be supporting me through my chronic pain that has gotten worse I the last 5 years, that "Some people just need to get used to living in pain."
I should not have to live every day in pain like this, because those who went before me misused the drug that may help me.
Finding the balance is where the problem is We can't have a one size fits all solution but that is what is always looked for I completely agree. When I was reading the thread I was/am 100% on board with what Busypea said then I read Shevys post and I was/am 100% in agreement with that. It's like there is no medium in all of this.
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Post by stampinfraulein on Jun 2, 2016 19:14:33 GMT
This makes me so, so sad and it hits awfully close to home right now. I just posted an update to my dad's condition on the thread about staging an intervention for a parent. My dad has abused Percocet and possibly other opioids and other painkillers. He has chronic pain due to back injuries and degenerative issues that will never be able to be fixed, not even with surgery. I hate that he is living in pain every single day and I hate that he has become addicted to pain killers as a way to try to manage that pain. It's like there's no way out for him. No relief. No options. It's awful.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 19:23:47 GMT
But for those of us who HAVE gone through every other treatment and have had no lessening of the pain, getting any narcotics to help has become a path of hell. I was told last month by a pain clinic, who is supposed to be supporting me through my chronic pain that has gotten worse I the last 5 years, that "Some people just need to get used to living in pain."
I should not have to live every day in pain like this, because those who went before me misused the drug that may help me.
No, no, no, that's not what I mean at all!!! I mean that the drugs that are prescribed - like Oxycontin - too often do not work as they are billed to and that leads to taking too much. Add that their chemical makeup makes addiction a very real risk and it's a perfect storm that too often leads to abuse and/or accidental death. Absolutely chronic pain sufferers should be able to get relief, but right now what happens too often is *only* drugs of questionable efficacy and significant risk. We need more research in safer, more effective ways to manage/cure chronic pain, including pharmaceuticals.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jun 2, 2016 19:29:15 GMT
But for those of us who HAVE gone through every other treatment and have had no lessening of the pain, getting any narcotics to help has become a path of hell. I was told last month by a pain clinic, who is supposed to be supporting me through my chronic pain that has gotten worse I the last 5 years, that "Some people just need to get used to living in pain."
I should not have to live every day in pain like this, because those who went before me misused the drug that may help me.
I read Dreamland this year and it was an excellent book about all the factors in the current opiate epidemic. A friend of mine is a nurse and she's talked about a lot of the changes being made and it sounds like people who truly need pain medication will still get it - has that been your case? I hope so. There is a balance there to help people who truly need it while avoiding the missteps in the past.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jun 2, 2016 19:34:04 GMT
But for those of us who HAVE gone through every other treatment and have had no lessening of the pain, getting any narcotics to help has become a path of hell. I was told last month by a pain clinic, who is supposed to be supporting me through my chronic pain that has gotten worse I the last 5 years, that "Some people just need to get used to living in pain."
I should not have to live every day in pain like this, because those who went before me misused the drug that may help me.
No, no, no, that's not what I mean at all!!! I mean that the drugs that are prescribed - like Oxycontin - too often do not work as they are billed to and that leads to taking too much. Add that their chemical makeup makes addiction a very real risk and it's a perfect storm that too often leads to abuse and/or accidental death. Absolutely chronic pain sufferers should be able to get relief, but right now what happens too often is *only* drugs of questionable efficacy and significant risk. We need more research in safer, more effective ways to manage/cure chronic pain, including pharmaceuticals. The book Dreamland talked about the shifts in the medical community regarding chronic pain and its treatment. At one time there was a more holistic approach to pain treatment (by holistic I don't mean essential oils and bone broth, rather a team of doctors from different disciplines), but that got pushed by the wayside. Insurance companies didn't want to pay for those more costly approaches and preferred just paying for drugs. There was a colossal misconception that opiate painkillers weren't addictive. And doctors also wanted to truly help those in chronic pain and were happy to have medication that could help. And Purdue Pharma certainly had conflicts of interest in how they funded and pushed Oxycontin.
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Post by peano on Jun 2, 2016 19:44:12 GMT
"Music megastar Prince died from an overdose of opioid painkillers, a law enforcement official told the Associated Press on Thursday. The official, a source with knowledge of the death investigation, spoke to AP on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media. Minnesota investigators have reportedly finished an autopsy and toxicology testing, but have not publicly released the findings. The news follows weeks of speculation that the 57-year-old singer was addicted to pain medications when he was found dead April 21 at his Paisley Park estate. Prince’s use of painkillers and how he obtained them has been the focus of a criminal investigation. A judge has sealed all records in the case, but no charges are known to have been filed." Such a shame. But doesn't piss anyone else off that here you have a law enforcement official reporting this to the AP, but in the same breath they report that the Leo was "under anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the case@ ?? Just goes to show that the Leo was probably paid for the story. Also read that there is video of Prince eating a bottle of pills, that he knew he had AIDS and that he didn't have much more time to live. I SWEAR I HATE THE MEDIA!!!! They report whatever they want with no accountability, because to have them retract it, one would have to sue and by then it's a joke, the damage is done. Let me get this straight. A LEO NOT AUTHORIZED to speak about this case spoke to the media (and your speculation is he received compensation for his statement), and you're upset with the media?!!!
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 2, 2016 20:23:59 GMT
Finding the balance is where the problem is We can't have a one size fits all solution but that is what is always looked for I completely agree. When I was reading the thread I was/am 100% on board with what Busypea said then I read Shevys post and I was/am 100% in agreement with that. It's like there is no medium in all of this. I did the same thing and liked both posts because I agree with you!
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Post by annabella on Jun 2, 2016 20:28:44 GMT
But for those of us who HAVE gone through every other treatment and have had no lessening of the pain, getting any narcotics to help has become a path of hell. I was told last month by a pain clinic, who is supposed to be supporting me through my chronic pain that has gotten worse I the last 5 years, that "Some people just need to get used to living in pain."
I should not have to live every day in pain like this, because those who went before me misused the drug that may help me I'm just trying to understand here, as I don't fully understand. If Prince was in chronic pain, then he was taking those meds to manage it. How could his death have been prevented if he needed those pills for pain? He had a life threatening warning on a plane a week before, but he still continued with the same use. It didn't appear he could ease up on it. So I'm just wondering what is the solution?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 21:09:52 GMT
No, no, no, that's not what I mean at all!!! I mean that the drugs that are prescribed - like Oxycontin - too often do not work as they are billed to and that leads to taking too much. Add that their chemical makeup makes addiction a very real risk and it's a perfect storm that too often leads to abuse and/or accidental death. Absolutely chronic pain sufferers should be able to get relief, but right now what happens too often is *only* drugs of questionable efficacy and significant risk. We need more research in safer, more effective ways to manage/cure chronic pain, including pharmaceuticals. The book Dreamland talked about the shifts in the medical community regarding chronic pain and its treatment. At one time there was a more holistic approach to pain treatment (by holistic I don't mean essential oils and bone broth, rather a team of doctors from different disciplines), but that got pushed by the wayside. Insurance companies didn't want to pay for those more costly approaches and preferred just paying for drugs. There was a colossal misconception that opiate painkillers weren't addictive. And doctors also wanted to truly help those in chronic pain and were happy to have medication that could help. And Purdue Pharma certainly had conflicts of interest in how they funded and pushed Oxycontin. It sounds like an interesting read. Please tell me that this colossal misconception was that of patients without much science background. I would be beyond gobsmacked if any doctor, nurse, pharmacist, or pharmaceutical person tried to claim that they didn't know that any opiate would be highly addictive, since all opiates are by definition, derived from opium. Before I get too worked up, I'm going to go find that book
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Post by shevy on Jun 2, 2016 21:15:48 GMT
But for those of us who HAVE gone through every other treatment and have had no lessening of the pain, getting any narcotics to help has become a path of hell. I was told last month by a pain clinic, who is supposed to be supporting me through my chronic pain that has gotten worse I the last 5 years, that "Some people just need to get used to living in pain."
I should not have to live every day in pain like this, because those who went before me misused the drug that may help me.
I read Dreamland this year and it was an excellent book about all the factors in the current opiate epidemic. A friend of mine is a nurse and she's talked about a lot of the changes being made and it sounds like people who truly need pain medication will still get it - has that been your case? I hope so. There is a balance there to help people who truly need it while avoiding the missteps in the past. Unfortunately, most of the clinics in my area will no longer do medication management. Some will only take patients in their system, some are not in my insurance network. I had to have a referral sent to one. They the. Send me an application. I fill it out and send it back with a opt of all my records. Then a doctor reviews it to see if I meet the criteria for pain management. I'm on month 3 of attempting to get help. And just so people know.. I went to a pain clinic - 15 yrs ago. I e been on 2 tylenol3 daily for 15 years and never abused it
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Post by shevy on Jun 2, 2016 21:22:07 GMT
Chronic pain can make you do weird things. And there are times I would give almost anything to make it go away. It leaves me exhausted daily. My pain is my TMJ, so talking, eating, computer work, turning my head...anything that you do with your shoulders up, makes it worse.
There are days where I've given up by 10am, because I can't function anymore. It makes me nauseous.
Prince wanted his chronic pain to be aliveated. I don't blame him.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 2, 2016 21:46:56 GMT
Chronic pain is a huge problem in our society. My sister has dealt with it her entire life. She suffers every single day. It's insane that she can't get the relief she needs because she "might get addicted" just because Joe Blow did. She has been to chronic pain clinics and they are a joke. They made her feel like a drug abuser instead of a patient.
Until you yourself have been a chronic pain patient or have had a loved one who is, it is very easy to sit in our homes and make easy judgments about how chronic pain shouldn't be treated with opiates. It is a much more complicated problem than that. Try living just one day like that, or witnessing a loved one's life. You will change your tune very quickly.
Debbie in MD.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 2, 2016 21:50:19 GMT
"Music megastar Prince died from an overdose of opioid painkillers, a law enforcement official told the Associated Press on Thursday. The official, a source with knowledge of the death investigation, spoke to AP on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media. Minnesota investigators have reportedly finished an autopsy and toxicology testing, but have not publicly released the findings. The news follows weeks of speculation that the 57-year-old singer was addicted to pain medications when he was found dead April 21 at his Paisley Park estate. Prince’s use of painkillers and how he obtained them has been the focus of a criminal investigation. A judge has sealed all records in the case, but no charges are known to have been filed." Such a shame. But doesn't piss anyone else off that here you have a law enforcement official reporting this to the AP, but in the same breath they report that the Leo was "under anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the case@ ?? Just goes to show that the Leo was probably paid for the story. Also read that there is video of Prince eating a bottle of pills, that he knew he had AIDS and that he didn't have much more time to live. I SWEAR I HATE THE MEDIA!!!! They report whatever they want with no accountability, because to have them retract it, one would have to sue and by then it's a joke, the damage is done. Let me get this straight. A LEO NOT AUTHORIZED to speak about this case spoke to the media (and your speculation is he received compensation for his statement), and you're upset with the media?!!! Yes!!!! They PAY!! I further stated in a post below my first one that the LEO's Speaking when they shouldn't should be prosecuted (if they can be) OR fired! If the media wouldn't pay, there would likely not be as much of the speaking out of turn.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 2, 2016 21:58:31 GMT
Chronic pain can make you do weird things. And there are times I would give almost anything to make it go away. It leaves me exhausted daily. My pain is my TMJ, so talking, eating, computer work, turning my head...anything that you do with your shoulders up, makes it worse. There are days where I've given up by 10am, because I can't function anymore. It makes me nauseous. Prince wanted his chronic pain to be aliveated. I don't blame him. I feel for you--my sister had the TMJ pain so badly she couldn't sleep, talk, and the pain was so intense she cried all the time. She started with our dentist who referred her to another doctor who saw her for 5 minutes and chalked her up to just wanting pain meds ?. I took her to emergency so many times it was heartbreaking, she'd call me in the middle if the night in pain, crying. A new dentist in our office actually helped more with pain mgmt which was her saving grace so she could function. One day, it was like all the stars, moons, planets were all aligned perfectly ---She was doing some household task at home and turned her head and her jaw/face shifted, made a loud noise, and it was a miracle--no more pain! She's been free of it for over 2 years now. But it is terrible that when you have s real pain issue, that some doctors just treat you like a drug addict, when people who have money and connections can get all they want like a candy store.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 22:04:20 GMT
Let me get this straight. A LEO NOT AUTHORIZED to speak about this case spoke to the media (and your speculation is he received compensation for his statement), and you're upset with the media?!!! Yes!!!! They PAY!! I further stated in a post below my first one that the LEO's Speaking when they shouldn't should be prosecuted (if they can be) OR fired! If the media wouldn't pay, there would likely not be as much of the speaking out of turn. Um, tabloids and the like pay, but the AP and its affiliates do not.
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Post by azredhead on Jun 2, 2016 22:28:50 GMT
TMZ live is going nuts right now and giving the information about the types opioid and details of the death certificate. I watch the first bit of it there's nothing on this time of day.
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