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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 16:32:31 GMT
The only reason the media pays is because we all click on this stuff in the first place. It's never going to stop until every single one of us-or at least the vast majority of the herd- quits giving the media and the leakers the financial incentive to do what they do. It's really that simple-and that impossible. Even here, there's so often a rush to report the "latest." There are people clicking on the stories that are reporting autopsy info. on what he weighed, his clothing, etc. It's a safe bet that there would have been an official statement on cause of death with plenty of information that the public needed to know, but with less salacious details. Yet the ugly side of human nature rears its head every.single.time. in a case like this, and the circus begins. Because we all feed right into it. I'm not exempting myself from this, I've done it plenty of times and clicked on the sensational or juicy-looking headline or title. With this circus, I'm just behind, and now feeling like I am going to try very hard not to catch up. The ugly truth is that we're just as much to blame as the person who leaked the information, or the rags who print it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 17:13:52 GMT
I'm on the same page as @ilovecookies and have been for years. I go out of my way to not read mags like People or watch shows like Extra or E!'s nightly wrap up. How Prince died is of no concern to me. It was a sad, too-soon event no matter the cause. ONLY if knowing the why equates into someone else's life being changed/saved does it matter and I don't see that happening. If the supposition is proven true that he was not taking prescribed medications in a safe manner it is just another in a series of high profile people who have access to these things in the way the average person does not. How many more people have to die before things change so that they cannot gain this level of access?
It's just sad...very, very sad.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 3, 2016 22:54:12 GMT
Chronic pain is a huge problem in our society. My sister has dealt with it her entire life. She suffers every single day. It's insane that she can't get the relief she needs because she "might get addicted" just because Joe Blow did. She has been to chronic pain clinics and they are a joke. They made her feel like a drug abuser instead of a patient. Until you yourself have been a chronic pain patient or have had a loved one who is, it is very easy to sit in our homes and make easy judgments about how chronic pain shouldn't be treated with opiates. It is a much more complicated problem than that. Try living just one day like that, or witnessing a loved one's life. You will change your tune very quickly. Debbie in MD. Isn't that what most people are saying, it's a complicated issue without a one size fits all solution. When I wrote my post they weren't yet. When you wrote yours more people were. I'm sorry it took me this long to get back to this thread-I've been sick the past couple of days. What my sister has had to go through in order to get her pain medication is ridiculous. She has been made to feel like she is a drug addict when she is a patient with chronic pain simply seeking relief so she can get through the day. She has considered suicide many times because she doesn't think she can live any longer with the pain she suffers. This is wrong and unfair for these patients. These medications can relieve the pain for them and should be given to them without the shame they have to go through and the hoops they have to jump through. So yes, I agree with you. It's a complicated issue without a one size fits all solution. But that is what the government is trying to do now. They think because opiates can be addictive patients with chronic pain shouldn't be given them or that the government should decide how much should be given to each patient rather than leaving it up to the doctor who treats the patient. This is completely wrong! When did they complete their medical degree and how do they know each patient? They don't and they shouldn't be making those decisions! Debbie in MD.
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Post by mimima on Jun 4, 2016 1:26:38 GMT
I thought something similar. I'm confused by the title every time I see this thread. Grammar rules truly do make things easier to read and understand. Myshelly--Seriously--stop being such a bitch over simple errors. People called you out for your "superiority and condescending attitude" earlier this week already, one would think that you would take note of your crappy attitude and fix it. If you are still confused by reading the thread because of one missing punctuation mark , then you are just stupid--no need to be a snarky condescending bitch. My title was copy pasted from one of the news outlets and I left out a punctuation mark. It's really just that simple. I keep wondering who Princes Death is every time I see the thread title.
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Post by pjaye on Jun 4, 2016 1:48:46 GMT
They think because opiates can be addictive patients with chronic pain shouldn't be given them or that the government should decide how much should be given to each patient rather than leaving it up to the doctor who treats the patient. This is completely wrong! It's not wrong to try a different approach...where we are now is the fault of a lot of doctors who over prescribed these medications in the first place, either deliberately knowing that their patients were developing problems or unknowingly. Or doctors who prescribed pain meds in the first instance that was far too strong than the patient needed. There does need to be more regulation in this area because it's already been shown that the no regulation thing didn't work out so well in the long run. She has been made to feel like she is a drug addict when she is a patient with chronic pain simply seeking relief so she can get through the day... This is wrong and unfair for these patients. There is no concrete way for a doctor to be able to make a definite diagnosis of "chronic pain" you can't just take a blood test and there's an scientific 'answer'. The report of the pain is just that - each individual's own perception. How is a doctor expected to know that patient A is a drug seeker and wants drugs for 'fun' and patient B had chronic pain they live with every day, when BOTH patients will tell them the same story, use the same words and display the same symptoms? Doctors are only human and in many cases there is no way to tell who is legitimate or not. If they give out drugs too liberally and people get addicted, they blame the doctor saying that shouldn't have been prescribed that medication or been given so many, but if the doctors are more strict and ask more questions then they get blamed for not believing their patients. It's a lose/lose situation for doctors in many instances. I don't know if it happens in the USA but I've seen signs in doctor's surgeries saying "drugs of addiction not prescribed here" Some of them are just choosing not to deal with it at all. So other regulations do need to be in place for doctors to follow as we now know that leaving it solely up to them doesn't work, we need to find better ways of handling this issue than we currently have, and doctors need some concrete guidelines to follow in terms of what/when and how much it is appropriate to prescribe so they don't unknowingly make errors.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 4, 2016 1:57:09 GMT
I've attempted to change the title several times this evening, with less that happy results.
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Post by chaosisapony on Jun 4, 2016 1:59:41 GMT
I receive a certain amount of pain medication a month. It's up to me to mangage those pills, even though how it's prescribed, it's considered an 8 day supply, clearly says so on the label every month. I am in the process of getting permanent upper & lower dentures. 3 weeks before my appointment to get 6 teeth pulled, a tooth went nuts, needing a root canal. Had to play the waiting game. Had to make a decision about 1.5 weeks out, my life or go thru those pills quicker than normal. I stood at my sink one afternoon, & knew I was done, so done suicide or go thru the pills was my only option. That left me with no pain pill coverage after the teeth were pulled, & I assure you, healing from that isn't fun. So I gambled, & it's a shit situation to be put in. Thank you for sharing your story, it's very eye opening. I've been lucky so far in life to not have experienced chronic pain nor do I know anyone that does. The situation around pain medicine is something that's a bit of a mystery to me. I have a genuine question if you don't mind me asking. When you were going through the dental issues and had to take your pain medicine early, could you not have taken a regular pain killer like Tylenol or Advil to help so you didn't run out of your regular medicine? Maybe they interfere with each other, I don't know. It just seems so incomprehensible to me that there isn't anything else that could have helped you through that.
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Post by mimima on Jun 4, 2016 2:11:38 GMT
I've attempted to change the title several times this evening, with less that happy results. Grrrr. I'm sorry.
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Post by mellyw on Jun 4, 2016 2:18:03 GMT
I receive a certain amount of pain medication a month. It's up to me to mangage those pills, even though how it's prescribed, it's considered an 8 day supply, clearly says so on the label every month. I am in the process of getting permanent upper & lower dentures. 3 weeks before my appointment to get 6 teeth pulled, a tooth went nuts, needing a root canal. Had to play the waiting game. Had to make a decision about 1.5 weeks out, my life or go thru those pills quicker than normal. I stood at my sink one afternoon, & knew I was done, so done suicide or go thru the pills was my only option. That left me with no pain pill coverage after the teeth were pulled, & I assure you, healing from that isn't fun. So I gambled, & it's a shit situation to be put in. Thank you for sharing your story, it's very eye opening. I've been lucky so far in life to not have experienced chronic pain nor do I know anyone that does. The situation around pain medicine is something that's a bit of a mystery to me. I have a genuine question if you don't mind me asking. When you were going through the dental issues and had to take your pain medicine early, could you not have taken a regular pain killer like Tylenol or Advil to help so you didn't run out of your regular medicine? Maybe they interfere with each other, I don't know. It just seems so incomprehensible to me that there isn't anything else that could have helped you through that. I have no problem answering. My dental pain triggers the Trigeminal Neuralgia, so I deal with a tooth that is dying, & the electrical shocks. A tooth needing a root canal can be managed with Aleve/Motrin, which I used to do. Add in the Trigeminal? Yeah, it has a lovely nickname, suicide disease. Thankfully, modern medicine is helping so much, keeps mine under control. Until a tooth goes bad & it's like a flare. The medicine can't stop the breakthrough pain. I'm very, very careful about only getting pain medication from one source. My DD works in the E.R & has given me tips on what do do if I have to go to the E.R, something that was likely with my heart problems. I would take all my medications with me & refuse any take home prescription. Doctors & nurses are caught in the middle of this. The stories my DD tells, I feel for them. None of this is right, it sucks all around. But people with legitimate pain aren't getting help, one person one this thread being one of them.
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Post by mzza111 on Jun 4, 2016 2:45:30 GMT
TOTALLY off subject but I thought your thread said "Princesses Diana death was drug overdose" OMG, me too! wonder why? I bet the host of Brain Games could tell me.
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Post by birukitty on Jun 4, 2016 22:48:34 GMT
They think because opiates can be addictive patients with chronic pain shouldn't be given them or that the government should decide how much should be given to each patient rather than leaving it up to the doctor who treats the patient. This is completely wrong! It's not wrong to try a different approach...where we are now is the fault of a lot of doctors who over prescribed these medications in the first place, either deliberately knowing that their patients were developing problems or unknowingly. Or doctors who prescribed pain meds in the first instance that was far too strong than the patient needed. There does need to be more regulation in this area because it's already been shown that the no regulation thing didn't work out so well in the long run. She has been made to feel like she is a drug addict when she is a patient with chronic pain simply seeking relief so she can get through the day... This is wrong and unfair for these patients. There is no concrete way for a doctor to be able to make a definite diagnosis of "chronic pain" you can't just take a blood test and there's an scientific 'answer'. The report of the pain is just that - each individual's own perception. How is a doctor expected to know that patient A is a drug seeker and wants drugs for 'fun' and patient B had chronic pain they live with every day, when BOTH patients will tell them the same story, use the same words and display the same symptoms? Doctors are only human and in many cases there is no way to tell who is legitimate or not. If they give out drugs too liberally and people get addicted, they blame the doctor saying that shouldn't have been prescribed that medication or been given so many, but if the doctors are more strict and ask more questions then they get blamed for not believing their patients. It's a lose/lose situation for doctors in many instances. I don't know if it happens in the USA but I've seen signs in doctor's surgeries saying "drugs of addiction not prescribed here" Some of them are just choosing not to deal with it at all. So other regulations do need to be in place for doctors to follow as we now know that leaving it solely up to them doesn't work, we need to find better ways of handling this issue than we currently have, and doctors need some concrete guidelines to follow in terms of what/when and how much it is appropriate to prescribe so they don't unknowingly make errors. I still maintain that until you yourself are a patient of chronic pain or have a loved one who is you cannot "see the forest for the trees". I know you are a nurse Pjaye and you see this situation from the medical side. You've probably seen lots of drug seeking patients who are lying about their pain. I see it from the other side. I see my sister, her face twisted in pain and agony, trying to make it through each minute of an hour because of the stupid new regulations that are taking place in this country limiting her access to pain medication. We live in different countries too. I'm sure things are different in Australia vs. the USA. Were it not for her love for our father I'm sure she would have committed suicide years ago to stop the daily pain she has to live with. As far as doctors believing her she has had the same doctor for the past 15 years. He knows her very well and trusts her. He's an Integrative Medicine doctor so he's the type of doctor who listens to his patients more than a regular GP. Debbie in MD.
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Post by Country Ham on Jun 4, 2016 22:58:03 GMT
"Music megastar Prince died from an overdose of opioid painkillers, a law enforcement official told the Associated Press on Thursday. The official, a source with knowledge of the death investigation, spoke to AP on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media. Minnesota investigators have reportedly finished an autopsy and toxicology testing, but have not publicly released the findings. The news follows weeks of speculation that the 57-year-old singer was addicted to pain medications when he was found dead April 21 at his Paisley Park estate. Prince’s use of painkillers and how he obtained them has been the focus of a criminal investigation. A judge has sealed all records in the case, but no charges are known to have been filed." Such a shame. But doesn't piss anyone else off that here you have a law enforcement official reporting this to the AP, but in the same breath they report that the Leo was "under anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the case@?? Just goes to show that the Leo was probably paid for the story.Also read that there is video of Prince eating a bottle of pills, that he knew he had AIDS and that he didn't have much more time to live. I SWEAR I HATE THE MEDIA!!!! They report whatever they want with no accountability, because to have them retract it, one would have to sue and by then it's a joke, the damage is done.When I first read what you post I was hoping the LEO would lose his job if he spoke to the press when he was specifically instructed NOT to, or not authorized to. What news reporter wouldn't report something they were told? I am not sure why you hate the media for reporting something. Something you determined big enough a story to share here. Why wouldn't whomever he told jump at the scoop? Now if you are discussing revealing news sources in general that's different. ETA: Do you assume all anonymous news sources are paid?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 4, 2016 23:12:23 GMT
"Music megastar Prince died from an overdose of opioid painkillers, a law enforcement official told the Associated Press on Thursday. The official, a source with knowledge of the death investigation, spoke to AP on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media. Minnesota investigators have reportedly finished an autopsy and toxicology testing, but have not publicly released the findings. The news follows weeks of speculation that the 57-year-old singer was addicted to pain medications when he was found dead April 21 at his Paisley Park estate. Prince’s use of painkillers and how he obtained them has been the focus of a criminal investigation. A judge has sealed all records in the case, but no charges are known to have been filed." Such a shame. But doesn't piss anyone else off that here you have a law enforcement official reporting this to the AP, but in the same breath they report that the Leo was "under anonymity because they were not authorized to speak about the case@?? Just goes to show that the Leo was probably paid for the story.Also read that there is video of Prince eating a bottle of pills, that he knew he had AIDS and that he didn't have much more time to live. I SWEAR I HATE THE MEDIA!!!! They report whatever they want with no accountability, because to have them retract it, one would have to sue and by then it's a joke, the damage is done.When I first read what you post I was hoping the LEO would lose his job if he spoke to the press when he was specifically instructed NOT to, or not authorized to. What news reporter wouldn't report something they were told? I am not sure why you hate the media for reporting something. Something you determined big enough a story to share here. Why wouldn't whomever he told jump at the scoop? Now if you are discussing revealing news sources in general that's different. ETA: Do you assume all anonymous news sources are paid? Because they pay $$$ (or other benefits) for stories, are invasive and as of late, rush to post anything--verifiable or not. They gave no accountability or take responsibility for what they write. Once the my out their words out there, they are there no matter what. I've said it a few time already--the LEO should lose their job for speaking out when they are not authorized to do so, but finding who it is can be difficult because the media hides behind the first amendment in protecting their sources.
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