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Post by peano on Jun 2, 2016 22:29:59 GMT
Let me get this straight. A LEO NOT AUTHORIZED to speak about this case spoke to the media (and your speculation is he received compensation for his statement), and you're upset with the media?!!! Yes!!!! They PAY!! I further stated in a post below my first one that the LEO's Speaking when they shouldn't should be prosecuted (if they can be) OR fired! If the media wouldn't pay, there would likely not be as much of the speaking out of turn. As another poster said, reputable journalistic entities such as the AP don't pay for stories. But it seems that even LEOs fall prey to the "Gotta Be the First to Break the News on 2 Peas Syndrome."
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 2, 2016 22:47:17 GMT
Chronic pain is a huge problem in our society. My sister has dealt with it her entire life. She suffers every single day. It's insane that she can't get the relief she needs because she "might get addicted" just because Joe Blow did. She has been to chronic pain clinics and they are a joke. They made her feel like a drug abuser instead of a patient. Until you yourself have been a chronic pain patient or have had a loved one who is, it is very easy to sit in our homes and make easy judgments about how chronic pain shouldn't be treated with opiates. It is a much more complicated problem than that. Try living just one day like that, or witnessing a loved one's life. You will change your tune very quickly. Debbie in MD. Isn't that what most people are saying, it's a complicated issue without a one size fits all solution.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 2, 2016 23:11:45 GMT
I feel for people who live in chronic pain. I hope that there are new, more effective and safer options in the near future. I think that it is important to realize that the precautions for getting drugs are there to protect patients (and doctors). It seems that even people here who are taking the meds don't understand that it isn't just "drug addicts" who are abusing the meds. It is often those who start off taking the meds (and continue) for legitimate reasons but take more than prescribed or mix medications that shouldn't be mixed.
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Post by workingclassdog on Jun 2, 2016 23:33:56 GMT
TOTALLY off subject but I thought your thread said "Princesses Diana death was drug overdose"
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Post by lumo on Jun 2, 2016 23:49:34 GMT
What he ODed on was Fentanyl. It's not your "typical" opiate...it's a patch (can also be given translingually) that's given to cancer patients and end-of-life patients. One patch is a 3-day dose. His OD was either accidental or the result of taking higher and higher doses looking for relief.
Either way, it's a damn shame.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Jun 2, 2016 23:50:10 GMT
I am unhappy with the media sources stating that Prince was *abusing* the fentanyl . There are many factors that can contribute to a death caused by opiates.
I've managed pain for my mother as she was dying of liver and bone cancer. She ended up having to take a crazy amount to overcome the pain.
If Prince had had a flu, which was reported, his respiratory system would have been compromised. The amount of painkillers he was taking would then be enough to suppress his breathing.
Addiction and abuse are not necessarily the same. Abuse is a loaded, very negative term blaming the victim.
If his death shines a light on the need for better pain management for those with chronic pain, that's a good thing. If it's just an opportunity to blame people and point fingers and find a scapegoat, or sully a fine man's legend, I protest.
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Post by cherrie on Jun 2, 2016 23:50:43 GMT
It hurts me to think of how private Prince lived his life and now has so many details made public (his weight,scars etc). I so hope it helps people that have chronic pain instead of making it harder for them to get the care they need. He was not a druggie, just someone with horrible pain and too many in his inner circle trying to please him instead of getting him help when things got really bad.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Jun 2, 2016 23:52:32 GMT
It hurts me to think of how private Prince lived his life and now has so many details made public (his weight,scars etc). I so hope it helps people that have chronic pain instead of making it harder for them to get the care they need. He was not a druggie, just someone with horrible pain and too many in his inner circle trying to please him instead of getting him help when things got really bad. I agree, one source describes his clothing right down to his underwear. So wrong.
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Post by basketdiva on Jun 3, 2016 0:00:41 GMT
Prince did not have to live with chronic pain. I've read articles that said he refused joint replacement due to his religion-JW. But there are hospitals and doctors that specialize in bloodless surgery. If this is true, it's sad that he didn't do a little research on his options.
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Post by lesserknownpea on Jun 3, 2016 0:02:37 GMT
Prince did not have to live with chronic pain. I've read articles that said he refused joint replacement due to his religion-JW. But there are hospitals and doctors that specialize in bloodless surgery. If this is true, it's sad that he didn't do a little research on his options. I consider any source that claims he refused treatment because of his religion to be unreliable.
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Post by mellyw on Jun 3, 2016 0:34:30 GMT
I feel for people who live in chronic pain. I hope that there are new, more effective and safer options in the near future. I think that it is important to realize that the precautions for getting drugs are there to protect patients (and doctors). It seems that even people here who are taking the meds don't understand that it isn't just "drug addicts" who are abusing the meds. It is often those who start off taking the meds (and continue) for legitimate reasons but take more than prescribed or mix medications that shouldn't be mixed. We understand, trust me. Wander into one of the chronic pain posts & you'll see. I receive a certain amount of pain medication a month. It's up to me to mangage those pills, even though how it's prescribed, it's considered an 8 day supply, clearly says so on the label every month. I am in the process of getting permanent upper & lower dentures. 3 weeks before my appointment to get 6 teeth pulled, a tooth went nuts, needing a root canal. Had to play the waiting game. Had to make a decision about 1.5 weeks out, my life or go thru those pills quicker than normal. I stood at my sink one afternoon, & knew I was done, so done suicide or go thru the pills was my only option. That left me with no pain pill coverage after the teeth were pulled, & I assure you, healing from that isn't fun. So I gambled, & it's a shit situation to be put in. My medical history is truly a horror story. Starting with a brain tumor at 5, that caused Orbital Cellulitus that I was not supposed to survive. Had a gigantic dermoid cyst that left a lot of damage behind to major organs. Gall bladder malfunctioned, didn't have gallstones, but my perverse body had 2 bouts of kidney stones while the gallbladder was getting diagnosed. I've had over 30 Root Canals in a vain attempt to save my teeth, which caused a raging case of Trigeminal Neuralgia. Have been diagnosed in the last 5 years with Rheumatoid Arthritis, Sjogrens Syndrome, Raynauds Disease & Ulcerative Colitis. The Rheumatoid Arthritis is attacking my heart muscles, despite the best attempts with medication to get it under control. That's just the "big" things I've been thru. I assure you, there is literally not a place on m body that something hasn't happened to it. I fought and fought and fought being on monthly pain medication. As I've added more and more issues, I gave in. There was no quality of life, & suicidal thought's were my constant companion. I didn't want this life. I would give up those pills in a heartbeat to have a somewhat normal life. I do not ever have a pain free day, I simply have pain managed days. And yes, people like me see the signs coming. That's part of the reason I'm getting the dentures, to control the Trigeminal Neauralgia. A disease you do not ever want (it's causes electrical shock like feelings to bounce around your brain, fun). So as a person who has legitimate, documented pain, is doing what they can to mitigate the pain, because the writings on the wall. Abusers of opitiates have made it so we won't be getting pain relief. Sorry for the forever long post, but I think it's so easy to say you feel sorry for chronic pain people. What you may not understand, is the mental, emotional toll it takes on us. I think Pridemom said it best, Prince died from chronic pain. ETA- I'm 43, just to give an idea that in an ideal situation, I'm supposed to be around for awhile yet.
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Post by scrapqueen01 on Jun 3, 2016 1:16:41 GMT
Prince did not have to live with chronic pain. I've read articles that said he refused joint replacement due to his religion-JW. But there are hospitals and doctors that specialize in bloodless surgery. If this is true, it's sad that he didn't do a little research on his options. I consider any source that claims he refused treatment because of his religion to be unreliable. I read something, don't know where but was after his death, that the doctor refused to do the replacement because Prince refused blood due to his religious beliefs. It's so hard to tell what is factual and what's not.
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Post by mallie on Jun 3, 2016 1:31:03 GMT
Some time ago, when my pain was ramping up and becoming chronic, I had A. Very. Bad. Pain. Day. It was so bad, I could barely see straight for the pain. I was alone in the house for the weekend. The only thing in the house at the time, or so I thought, was Extra Strength Tylenol. I THOUGHT I took 3 of them. In reality, I took three Tylenol PM. They are a different color, entirely from Extra Strength Tylenol. I know this. I KNOW this. And yet, in the throes of my pain, I took the wrong medicine and too much of it, really. The good news was that it did knock me out and so while I was asleep, I was pain free.
The bad news is that I took the wrong med and too much of it. What if I had kept taking more of that pill, trying to get relief? What if I had added another pill or two or five to try and get relief? What if I had small children at home at the time and was passed out from taking the wrong pill? And so on.
It scared the shit out of me and made me realize who very easy it would be to accidentally OD on pain meds.
So yes, IMO, Prince died of complications from chronic pain.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 3, 2016 1:36:00 GMT
What he ODed on was Fentanyl. It's not your "typical" opiate...it's a patch (can also be given translingually) that's given to cancer patients and end-of-life patients. One patch is a 3-day dose. His OD was either accidental or the result of taking higher and higher doses looking for relief Prince did not have to live with chronic pain. I've read articles that said he refused joint replacement due to his religion-JW. But there are hospitals and doctors that specialize in bloodless surgery. If this is true, it's sad that he didn't do a little research on his options. Those statements above are not true. Fentanyl can be given by patch, injection, and lozenge. They are used for a number of different patients. Including chronic and acute pain. Prince DID have a total hip back in 2010 I think it was. People very rarely get blood transfusions with a THA anymore. If needed other options would have been used. He was here in MN. We see this a lot. Despite the THA he cont'd to have bilat hip pain.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 3, 2016 1:56:09 GMT
I know nothing about Prince's personal life and he seemed to prefer his privacy. He could or could not have had an addiction to pain killers. I think there may have been an issue, if someone was flown from CA to MN for an intervention. If that story is true.
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Post by lumo on Jun 3, 2016 2:18:23 GMT
What he ODed on was Fentanyl. It's not your "typical" opiate...it's a patch (can also be given translingually) that's given to cancer patients and end-of-life patients. One patch is a 3-day dose. His OD was either accidental or the result of taking higher and higher doses looking for relief Prince did not have to live with chronic pain. I've read articles that said he refused joint replacement due to his religion-JW. But there are hospitals and doctors that specialize in bloodless surgery. If this is true, it's sad that he didn't do a little research on his options. Those statements above are not true. Fentanyl can be given by patch, injection, and lozenge. They are used for a number of different patients. Including chronic and acute pain. Prince DID have a total hip back in 2010 I think it was. People very rarely get blood transfusions with a THA anymore. If needed other options would have been used. He was here in MN. We see this a lot. Despite the THA he cont'd to have bilat hip pain. Nothing I said was false. You provided supplemental info, which is fine. But I wasn't incorrect.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 3, 2016 2:18:53 GMT
TOTALLY off subject but I thought your thread said "Princesses Diana death was drug overdose" I thought something similar. I'm confused by the title every time I see this thread. Grammar rules truly do make things easier to read and understand.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jun 3, 2016 2:45:08 GMT
The book Dreamland talked about the shifts in the medical community regarding chronic pain and its treatment. At one time there was a more holistic approach to pain treatment (by holistic I don't mean essential oils and bone broth, rather a team of doctors from different disciplines), but that got pushed by the wayside. Insurance companies didn't want to pay for those more costly approaches and preferred just paying for drugs. There was a colossal misconception that opiate painkillers weren't addictive. And doctors also wanted to truly help those in chronic pain and were happy to have medication that could help. And Purdue Pharma certainly had conflicts of interest in how they funded and pushed Oxycontin. It sounds like an interesting read. Please tell me that this colossal misconception was that of patients without much science background. I would be beyond gobsmacked if any doctor, nurse, pharmacist, or pharmaceutical person tried to claim that they didn't know that any opiate would be highly addictive, since all opiates are by definition, derived from opium. Before I get too worked up, I'm going to go find that book I was shocked too - the book talks about the source of this misunderstanding. Traced back to a paragraph in a letter written to the editor of NEJM that was not a full or extensive study by any means, but over time this got convoluted and became fact. And of course Purdue Pharma ran with it - they didn't want people to think it was addictive either. I highly recommend the book (although the writing isn't great and it's repetitive, the info in it is fascinating).
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jun 3, 2016 2:46:41 GMT
I read Dreamland this year and it was an excellent book about all the factors in the current opiate epidemic. A friend of mine is a nurse and she's talked about a lot of the changes being made and it sounds like people who truly need pain medication will still get it - has that been your case? I hope so. There is a balance there to help people who truly need it while avoiding the missteps in the past. Unfortunately, most of the clinics in my area will no longer do medication management. Some will only take patients in their system, some are not in my insurance network. I had to have a referral sent to one. They the. Send me an application. I fill it out and send it back with a opt of all my records. Then a doctor reviews it to see if I meet the criteria for pain management. I'm on month 3 of attempting to get help. And just so people know.. I went to a pain clinic - 15 yrs ago. I e been on 2 tylenol3 daily for 15 years and never abused it I hope you get relief. Clearly there are people who have a legitimate need for the medications.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 3, 2016 2:51:41 GMT
I know nothing about Prince's personal life and he seemed to prefer his privacy. He could or could not have had an addiction to pain killers. I think there may have been an issue, if someone was flown from CA to MN for an intervention. If that story is true. I do believe that was true. I read in the paper that the man who was coming to help him may be charged due to him having meds in his possession that could be used to help Someone who had overdosed, but he wasn't a doctor. I assumed that he or is "people" thought that recovery team was the best which is why they flew him in.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on Jun 3, 2016 2:56:28 GMT
It seems to me a lot of the issues aren't people in chronic pain who need the medications to be able to function daily, but rather the easy flowing prescriptions for patients that had pain that was more temporary, but then get hooked and pursue the drugs (or turn to heroin - cheaper and easier to get) even after they don't truly need the meds to manage pain. I was listening to an interview with a former heroin addict who wrote a memoir. She initially got hooked on pain pills when she had her wisdom teeth out and she had a pretty horrible spiral into heroin, living on the streets, prison, etc before getting clean. When she had a c-section in the hospital, the doctor gave her a pretty large prescription for pain pills - no look at prior history, no talking to her, no warnings or info about using the pain pills, etc. It took her half an hour to get the prescription changed to a smaller amount of pills and she knew what she was getting into so could manage the pills and pain without getting hooked again. Now, I don't think prescriptions are happening like that now, but I think this experience was pretty common before the current opiate epidemic became more common knowledge. Prescriptions for pain pills after surgery, injuries, etc is fine - but it seems doctors need to have more discussion with patients before sending them off with a bottle of pills. Maybe that happens now - but I don't think it was happening before.
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Post by pjaye on Jun 3, 2016 3:45:16 GMT
I only know what I've read in this thread, as I haven't looked up any other information on line. I'm all for talking about this stuff if the family choose or due to a legal process this information is legitimately released to the public. It's so wrong that someone (especially if it was someone who access to this as a part of their job) would leak this information to the press. I hope they find out whoever it is and they lose their job.
It reminds me of the other tread whine he first passed away where people insisted that he would never take drugs...well it seems (as I said at the time) you never know what someone does in their private life, and what goes on privately and what they say publically can be two quite different things.
Hard to believe he wouldn't have had more surgery for his hip, being JW isn't even a big deal I've cared for JW patients who have had major joint replacement surgery in several different hospitals and none ever had any complications and there was no "bloodless surgery" speciality involved. Surely surgery would have been a lot simpler than having daily pain and developing an addiction to pain meds. With his money he could have afforded the top surgeon in any country.
I think that being famous and/or having money ends up being detrimental, they get surrounded by 'yes' people enablers and no-one ever steps up and says no to them - and if someone does, they can just pay more money and find someone else who will do what they want. Same with Michael Jackson, no surgeon should have done that to his face and no doctor should ever have agreed to give him diprivan to sleep every night. It sounds like some people in Prince's inner circle were finally concerned enough to seek help - but their actions came far too late.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 3, 2016 3:46:08 GMT
It seems to me a lot of the issues aren't people in chronic pain who need the medications to be able to function daily, but rather the easy flowing prescriptions for patients that had pain that was more temporary, but then get hooked and pursue the drugs (or turn to heroin - cheaper and easier to get) I do see your point. I injured my back last summer and I was told it would take 18 months for it to get better. I'm not positive it will be at 100% though. The pain management doctor prescribed me a lot of pills. I thought it would be 30 at most. I guess I thought it would be like regular prescriptions like adderall where it is only 30 days.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 3, 2016 13:20:35 GMT
Geez, doesn't anyone die of natural causes anymore? I'm tired of hearing so many in entertainment are dying of drug overdoses! It's ridiculous!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 3, 2016 13:34:39 GMT
TOTALLY off subject but I thought your thread said "Princesses Diana death was drug overdose" I thought something similar. I'm confused by the title every time I see this thread. Grammar rules truly do make things easier to read and understand. Myshelly--Seriously--stop being such a bitch over simple errors. People called you out for your "superiority and condescending attitude" earlier this week already, one would think that you would take note of your crappy attitude and fix it. If you are still confused by reading the thread because of one missing punctuation mark , then you are just stupid--no need to be a snarky condescending bitch. My title was copy pasted from one of the news outlets and I left out a punctuation mark. It's really just that simple.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 3, 2016 13:43:10 GMT
I thought something similar. I'm confused by the title every time I see this thread. Grammar rules truly do make things easier to read and understand. Myshelly--Seriously--stop being such a bitch over simple errors. People called you out for your "superiority and condescending attitude" earlier this week already, one would think that you would take note of your crappy attitude and fix it. If you are still confused by reading the thread because of one missing punctuation mark , then you are just stupid--no need to be a snarky condescending bitch. My title was copy pasted from one of the news outlets and I left out a punctuation mark. It's really just that simple. I was simply agreeing with someone else. If you just copy and pasted from somewhere else, then why are you taking this so personally? I didn't quote or tag you.
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Post by mallie on Jun 3, 2016 13:56:52 GMT
Myshelly--Seriously--stop being such a bitch over simple errors. People called you out for your "superiority and condescending attitude" earlier this week already, one would think that you would take note of your crappy attitude and fix it. If you are still confused by reading the thread because of one missing punctuation mark , then you are just stupid--no need to be a snarky condescending bitch. My title was copy pasted from one of the news outlets and I left out a punctuation mark. It's really just that simple. I was simy agreeing with someone else. If you just copy and pasted from somewhere else, then why are you taking this so personally? I didn't quote or tag you. Spelling rules are also wonderful.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 3, 2016 14:32:42 GMT
I thought something similar. I'm confused by the title every time I see this thread. Grammar rules truly do make things easier to read and understand. Myshelly--Seriously--stop being such a bitch over simple errors. People called you out for your "superiority and condescending attitude" earlier this week already, one would think that you would take note of your crappy attitude and fix it. If you are still confused by reading the thread because of one missing punctuation mark , then you are just stupid--no need to be a snarky condescending bitch. My title was copy pasted from one of the news outlets and I left out a punctuation mark. It's really just that simple. I guess I also just don't understand why people react this way. I don't understand the things people get weirdly emotional about and offended by. Someone later in this thread pointed out a spelling error I made. I simply liked her post and went back and corrected my error. To me, that seems like the only logical course of action. Defending an error and calling other people stupid because they have a problem reading through something that is in fact an error seems very odd to me.
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Post by kernriver on Jun 3, 2016 15:14:32 GMT
I am unhappy with the media sources stating that Prince was *abusing* the fentanyl . There are many factors that can contribute to a death caused by opiates. I've managed pain for my mother as she was dying of liver and bone cancer. She ended up having to take a crazy amount to overcome the pain. If Prince had had a flu, which was reported, his respiratory system would have been compromised. The amount of painkillers he was taking would then be enough to suppress his breathing. Addiction and abuse are not necessarily the same. Abuse is a loaded, very negative term blaming the victim. If his death shines a light on the need for better pain management for those with chronic pain, that's a good thing. If it's just an opportunity to blame people and point fingers and find a scapegoat, or sully a fine man's legend, I protest. But it wasnt the flu, it was an overdose. I feel badly because in the end such an original artist turned out to be just another cliche.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 3, 2016 16:16:34 GMT
Myshelly--Seriously--stop being such a bitch over simple errors. People called you out for your "superiority and condescending attitude" earlier this week already, one would think that you would take note of your crappy attitude and fix it. If you are still confused by reading the thread because of one missing punctuation mark , then you are just stupid--no need to be a snarky condescending bitch. My title was copy pasted from one of the news outlets and I left out a punctuation mark. It's really just that simple. I guess I also just don't understand why people react this way. I don't understand the things people get weirdly emotional about and offended by. Someone later in this thread pointed out a spelling error I made. I simply liked her post and went back and corrected my error. To me, that seems like the only logical course of action. Defending an error and calling other people stupid because they have a problem reading through something that is in fact an error seems very odd to me. Of course YOU do.
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