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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 3, 2016 21:05:05 GMT
Translation for Je Suis Prest: I am Ready.
Ok, the kind people at Starz? Sony? released episode 9 early. DH and I watched it last night. What do you think?
I have some strong opinions, but would like to get some other opinions before I go off on a rant. Was this the "jumping the shark" episode that Diana referred to? Did we ever get official confirmation of which episode that was? I know we thought it was last week with regards to Laoghaire, but this one had me shaking my head. I'm really trying to let go the ties with the book and just let the episodes play out in their own right, but Lordy, this one was hard for me.
But I did really like the scene with young Lord John Grey. Caitroina's facial expressions in that scene were brilliant. And LJG--so full of his noble intentions!
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Post by finaledition on Jun 4, 2016 0:15:29 GMT
Thanks for getting us going Michelle. I'm going to warn ya, giving my opinion on this episode so if you don't want spoilers, keep on scrolling.  I have to say I loved this episode, in fact the more I think about it, the more I love it. I'm going to try and give more specific reasons why, but if have to say, it was really about how it made me feel. I was smiling during so many parts of this episodes. I mean, when the last I smiled this much during an Outlander episode?  that's not to say there weren't some serious parts, but this to me felt like the essence of Outlander. And we add to that the music this week- I'm not sure how bear McCreary can step it up a notch, but it was really outstanding. Another thing, I believe Matt Roberts does the title card filming each week. Well the images he used when transitioning between some of the scenes was just superb. It was a visually stunning episode. So on to some specifics. I loved how connected Jamie and Claire were the entire episode. Loved it! I love when Fergus greets them and there is so much affection between Claire and Fergus. Loved Angus and Rubert reunion and their telling of Willy's wedding. I'm guessing we will be seeing Willie in another season. The flashbacks, it was an interesting addition, but to me the payoff of those scenes was seeing Claire's vulnerability and Jamie caring and comforting her. So much of Outlander showcases Claire's strength, but here we get to see Jamie being the rock for her. Speaking of Jamie, finally we see Jamie as the man he was always meant to be- the leader, the laird-I loved seeing his strength, confidence and leadership. Jamie of 2 years ago never could have told off Dougal with such authority. I'm okay with the LJG changes. Everything in the episode flowed so just can't pick apart the changes when the episode was so satisfying to me. Okay, I haven't read too much about reactions from others. Perhaps the news about the renewal put me in a super happy mood while watching it, but I'm going to stick with a high rating for this one. It did remind me a lot of The Gathering which was one of my favorites last season as well. |
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Post by finaledition on Jun 4, 2016 0:16:57 GMT
Btw Michelle, I've seen it confirmed by Diana that last week was indeed the jump the shark episode. I don't think I've read any comments by her regarding this episode.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 4, 2016 1:53:39 GMT
Just finished. Eh. I don't like the fighting/army storylines. HA. I like more of the romance, their lives and drama storylines. Not the nitty gritty of fighting. Which I am sure we are on to more of that.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 4, 2016 12:57:33 GMT
I have to be somewhere in 15 minutes, so I don't have time to read this. But here's Diana discussing her "jumping the shark" comment. Jumping the Shark |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 4, 2016 15:12:19 GMT
Thank you for posting this. I was sitting at home last night wishing it was Saturday, so I could watch Outlander... I have things to do tonight and tomorrow I would have to wait until Monday  I loved this episode.. the ending especially. I haven't read the books so I don't have a comparison. I'm interested to hear your rant basket1lady |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 4, 2016 20:04:16 GMT
Holy crap. Did you read Diana's response to the jumping the shark?? Good lord. She writes on the internet more convoluted then her books. She never did answer the what part was the jumping the shark part.
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Post by finaledition on Jun 4, 2016 20:43:43 GMT
Holy crap. Did you read Diana's response to the jumping the shark?? Good lord. She writes on the internet more convoluted then her books. She never did answer the what part was the jumping the shark part. I did. By the end I had to think about why I was reading it. Lol Actually a few weeks ago she posted an equally long essay about butt cooties and public toilets. I thought only Diana Gabaldon could write this many words on the merits of sitting on a public toilet. :-) |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 4, 2016 20:57:33 GMT
I did. By the end I had to think about why I was reading it. Lol Exactly!! it was like..ok..what was this suppose to be about again? LOL |
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Post by stittsygirl on Jun 5, 2016 1:13:01 GMT
LORD JOHN!!! Sorry, he's my favorite character in the books, so it was fun to finally see his young self being introduced  . Other than that, I kept finding myself more interested in the cinematography than what was going on in the story. Scotland is so beautiful, and the cinematographers sure know how to capture that. |
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Post by littlefish on Jun 5, 2016 1:30:24 GMT
I don't watch this show, but I'm chuckling because when I saw your thread title I thought you were talking about Jesuit Priests. I need sleep. Carry on!  |
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Post by stittsygirl on Jun 5, 2016 1:49:44 GMT
Oh, I also find it kind of ironic that DG claims the show "jumped the shark" in the last episode, when those of us who have read all the books know that Lord John Grey is Claire's future husband, with whom she is intimate, if only briefly on both accounts. Talk about an ocean's-width shark jump there, lol.  |
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 5, 2016 3:57:18 GMT
I don't get the spoiler??
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Post by momx1 on Jun 5, 2016 5:10:58 GMT
Just finished watching and I loved it! Seeing Jamie stepping into his role as Laird and seeing him mature as a husband were great. I also liked seeing him in his father's coat. I wasn't sure at first that I was going to like Claire's PTSD flashbacks, but I ended up liking the story change. It made me think of the scene in the book where she's asking Roger to find out what happened to the men from Lallybroch. She feels responsibility for the men. I think the flashbacks will enhance that scene. Love the family of Jamie, Claire, Murtaugh and Fergus. |
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Post by stittsygirl on Jun 5, 2016 5:51:04 GMT
I don't get the spoiler?? The one I posted? It's from the seventh book, An Echo in the Bone.In Echo, Claire and Lord John believe Jamie has been killed in a shipwreck. Claire has been accused of sedition or something, and LJG agrees to marry her quickly to protect her from being arrested. They then go on to have sex with one another, basically fantasizing about the other being Jamie.
I adore Lord John and even Claire, but that was a pretty big WTF moment for me, and that's why I laugh at her accusations that the show runners "jumped the shark" in the last episode. I do enjoy seeing these characters on the screen now though, knowing what their futures hold for them, together and apart, if the writers continue to follow the books for the most part. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 11:39:12 GMT
Oh, I also find it kind of ironic that DG claims the show "jumped the shark" in the last episode, when those of us who have read all the books know that Lord John Grey is Claire's future husband, with whom she is intimate, if only briefly on both accounts. Talk about an ocean's-width shark jump there, lol. What....what book is that? Never mind just read the spolier above. I'm actually on that book now.... |
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Post by lisapea on Jun 5, 2016 12:34:24 GMT
I don't think we've met Lord John Grey yet. Wasn't that his younger brother William that snuck into the camp? If I remember the book correctly, that follows the story line perfectly. I won't mention when we meet LJG as it's a spoiler and I don't know how to hide those.
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Post by JustTricia on Jun 5, 2016 13:35:11 GMT
I don't think we've met Lord John Grey yet. Wasn't that his younger brother William that snuck into the camp? If I remember the book correctly, that follows the story line perfectly. I won't mention when we meet LJG as it's a spoiler and I don't know how to hide those. Lisa I'm still reading DIA, but am well past this point. It didn't really follow the book. In the book William attacks Jamie in part to save Claire and Jamie is the one to bring Claire into it. In the show Claire walks into the scene and is the one to start the charade of using her to get the boy to talk. Also, the scene seemed much more brutal in the book. I liked it much better when it was Jamie's idea than Claire's. It seems so much in the series so far is focused on Claire (understandable) that I liked how this was Jamie taking charge instead. |
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Post by finaledition on Jun 5, 2016 15:18:01 GMT
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Post by cindyupnorth on Jun 5, 2016 16:16:08 GMT
"◾In Dragonfly in Amber, sixteen year old Lord John gives his name as 'William Grey' when captured by Jamie during a botched rescue attempt. Diana explains in The Outlandish Companion that while writing Voyager, there were too many Williams to keep track of in a small space, and she decided to make 'William' Lord John's middle name. (In the canon, it makes sense that Lord John would use an alias; he also attempts to hide his privileged status by adopting a Hampshire accent.[12])"
None of his brothers are named William. See above.
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Post by stittsygirl on Jun 5, 2016 17:39:39 GMT
Yes, that was Lord John. In the book Voyager John reminds Claire that they first met in the woods when he was a boy, and his arm had been broken by Jamie. In the book she set it for him. I always liked Claire and Lord John scenes because they are very snarky together, with kind of a love/hate relationship . |
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Post by lisapea on Jun 5, 2016 17:50:11 GMT
Thanks for clarifying, Peas! I stand corrected. So we've met Lord John Grey, wow, I pictured him differently. Oh well, loving the series so far. And if the Peas don't know - there isn't a group out there that would! lol
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 5, 2016 22:41:39 GMT
Thanks for clarifying, Peas! I stand corrected. So we've met Lord John Grey, wow, I pictured him differently. Oh well, loving the series so far. And if the Peas don't know - there isn't a group out there that would! lol Lisa Remember, he was only 16 in last night's episode. We won't see him again for another 20 some years! |
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 5, 2016 22:50:23 GMT
Holy crap. Did you read Diana's response to the jumping the shark?? Good lord. She writes on the internet more convoluted then her books. She never did answer the what part was the jumping the shark part. I noticed that, too. I wonder what was quoted incorrectly? That Diana said it, or the context that she used it in. Really, that was a rant. Worthy of one of mine! She could have said everything in one paragraph. I don't think we needed the evolution of Compuserve, but I would like to know the truth about what she said and what she meant. I don't expect her to agree with everything the show writers, producers, directors, actors, etc do. I think Diana has done a good job of supporting the show. |
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 6, 2016 2:26:37 GMT
So ok, here's my rant--it's been a few days, so I have calmed down. But really, some things in this episode just irritated me. I honestly am just trying to watch the show and Let Things Happen. I understand that they have to change some things for clarity and to condense the story. But this show had me going "huh" more than once because I feel like the essence of some of the characters were changed.
Especially Dougal. I wasn't thinking "oh great, Jamie is asserting his authority here." Instead, I was wondering why they made Dougal so wishy-washy and why he backed down to Jamie so quickly. That was NOT how Dougal was. Sure, he backed down eventually. But he backed down FAR too quickly in the show, and they showed the training going on for some time, so they could have let him be his assy self the first time and then had Jamie trump him another day. I don't mind that they added this from the book. Just that they had Dougal back down so quickly in the show.
And speaking of characters--the PTSD with Claire. Sigh. Far too much time was spent on it. Again, I'm fine with adding the scene with the WWII soldiers who were killed, but they spent too much time in this episode on Claire and her flashbacks. And Jamie never really did anything with it, even though he knew something was wrong long before Claire collapsed. Leader Jamie and husband Jamie would have worked to find out what was wrong as soon as he noticed Claire was upset. That isn't a relationship that pretends all is well, sweeping unpleasant issues under the rug. Instead, they are the sort of couple who deals with the issue head on. It almost feels like this was added to make it relevant to today and our knowledge of PTSD and how is can mess with a soldier's mind. Great if it fits in, but I didn't feel like it did.
And what was with the scene with LJG, Claire, and Jamie? Why did they make it Claire's idea? It was Jamie's idea and it showed his cunning, leadership, and dedication to the cause. All Big Points of this episode. And when Claire played along, it showed how they were of one mind. It's a small thing, but I don't like that they changed that. And the fake acting with Claire? We got enough of that with the Lord Lovat. And in Paris. Why again? I think it makes Claire out to be a drama queen, a faker and manipulative--none of which describe Claire at all.
But there were some great moments in this episode. Seeing the reunion with Fergus, Claire, and Jamie was really sweet. Fergus is going to be with us for a long time and we need to see Jamie and Claire's relationship with Fergus grow into a parent-son bond. I thought they did this nicely without making up another story line. It was just a simple interaction that told so much. And I liked the segway with Claire's PTSD and the dragonfly in amber reference. Such a nice tie. And when Claire told Dougal that she and Jamie "share everything"? Such a great moment to show the bond Claire and Jamie have. And I liked the scenes when it was just Claire and Jamie. They really do have a nice on screen chemistry.
So that's it. Nothing earth shattering or game changing. I'll still watch! In fact, I may watch it again tomorrow. There was a lot crammed into this episode and I know I missed a lot the first time around.
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Post by finaledition on Jun 6, 2016 3:47:12 GMT
Just to address one of your points regarding the relationship between Jamie and Dougal-I think the change in power in the relationship is two fold:
1st-Jamie has earned his respect because Dougal believes him to be a Jacobite supporter this season.
2nd-Jamie has formed a relationship with the Bonnie Prince. I think this is key to Dougal not only admiring Jamie, but knowing that he needs Jamie more than ever. So I guess he's willingly taking a secondary role to Jamie comes less from respect, but more as a necessity to further the cause he's willing to die for.
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 6, 2016 22:20:09 GMT
Outlander Community put their Inside Outlander up for episode 209. I love these glimpses into the making of Outlander. Inside Outlander Episode 209 |
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Post by Basket1lady on Jun 6, 2016 22:21:08 GMT
Just to address one of your points regarding the relationship between Jamie and Dougal-I think the change in power in the relationship is two fold: 1st-Jamie has earned his respect because Dougal believes him to be a Jacobite supporter this season. 2nd-Jamie has formed a relationship with the Bonnie Prince. I think this is key to Dougal not only admiring Jamie, but knowing that he needs Jamie more than ever. So I guess he's willingly taking a secondary role to Jamie comes less from respect, but more as a necessity to further the cause he's willing to die for. I don't disagree with the necessity of changing the relationship. But Dougal just seemed way too meek and backed down way too quickly for my taste. |
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 6, 2016 22:26:05 GMT
Oh, I also find it kind of ironic that DG claims the show "jumped the shark" in the last episode, when those of us who have read all the books know that Lord John Grey is Claire's future husband, with whom she is intimate, if only briefly on both accounts. Talk about an ocean's-width shark jump there, lol. OH DAMN I wish I hadn't read that! DON"T READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN"T READ THE BOOK! (I was warned.. I'm pissed at myself.) |
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Post by stittsygirl on Jun 6, 2016 22:34:44 GMT
Oh, I also find it kind of ironic that DG claims the show "jumped the shark" in the last episode, when those of us who have read all the books know that Lord John Grey is Claire's future husband, with whom she is intimate, if only briefly on both accounts. Talk about an ocean's-width shark jump there, lol. OH DAMN I wish I hadn't read that! DON"T READ THIS IF YOU HAVEN"T READ THE BOOK! (I was warned.. I'm pissed at myself.) Sorry about that. I should have specified which book too, because there are so many, and not everyone has read all of them. But seriously, there are a bunch of WTF moments in her books as the series continues and grows more massive. It will be interesting to see what other changes are made by the screenwriters, because they are going to have to pare the story down quite a bit to fit future books into even two seasons each. |
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that's not to say there weren't some serious parts, but this to me felt like the essence of Outlander. And we add to that the music this week- I'm not sure how bear McCreary can step it up a notch, but it was really outstanding. Another thing, I believe Matt Roberts does the title card filming each week. Well the images he used when transitioning between some of the scenes was just superb. It was a visually stunning episode. 
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?, but this is a well articulated review of episode 9. I'm not sure what parts you took issue with, but she may hit upon some points for consideration.