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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 4, 2016 22:00:27 GMT
To quote KrazyKat, I'm at the time of my life when I call them the way I see them. Shrug.
And the very first sentence in my post that you quote says that it's ridiculous when both sides do it.
And I stand firm with my initial statement in this post; anyone who leaves a spouse because the spouse votes for a different candidate (assuming that's the only issue in the marriage) is shallow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 22:06:43 GMT
My husband and I often vote differently on various measures and even for some candidates. But if he were to vote for Trump, it would really raise questions for me about his integrity and core values. Some candidates are just beyond simple disagreements. And so what if his core values have changed over time. So what if he doesn't hold the same core beliefs as you about the direction this country is going. Is that really something that would cause you to leave him? Aren't his beliefs about family, virtue, honor etc far more important to you and your relationship regardless of his political beliefs?I cannot wrap my mind around how shallow some of you sound. And I'm trying to wrap my head around someone who says that family, virtue, and honor are important could ever consider voting for a man who in his own words and actions shows us time and time again that he has absolutely no regard for family, virtue, or honor. (FAMILY: the cheating on spouses and multiple divorces, the comments about his own daughter being hot and him dating her if he weren't her father, the comments about him paying for the babies and expecting his wives to handle all other aspects of parenthood. VIRTUE and HONOR: the period remarks about Megyn Kelly, the mocking of a reporter's physical disabilities, the lies and flip-flops about everything from his religion to his political party affiliation to posing as his own PR guy, the tax issues, his insults and rudeness to Mexicans, Muslims, and many others, his asking his supporters to beat up protesters and send him the legal bills. The crap he said about China and American businesses in China while his own clothing brands, and FSM knows what else were being manufactured in China. Telling a female contestant on his show that seeing her on her knees would be a pretty sight. Touting him as a great businessman when he has filed multiple bankruptcies and been involved in many questionable ventures such as Trump University). I'm sure there's lots more I've forgotten, but this already got long. As for him being less beholden to political powers that be, ANY candidate who runs on the D or R ticket is way into the muck and sketchy, backdoor double-dealing. That's why I don't understand people thinking that someone as straight-up crazy and volatile as Trump is any way a viable candidate to vote for. THAT's what I'd really like to understand. Why people will take party loyalty so far, when it's clear that BOTH parties are screwing us over. Why won't people take a stand against the two party system? At least as it is functioning today?! Look where it's gotten us: Trump on hand and Hillary on the other.
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Post by Merge on Jun 4, 2016 22:07:36 GMT
Well Lucy, that being the case "F__k Off". Your so-called "salient points" are nothing more than hypocrisy. I notice you didn't say a word to MergeLeft when she went after Rainbow Scrapper, asking the admins to give out Rainbow's name and address so MergeLeft could phone in a hotline report. Talk about going after the same person time and time again. I've seen your buds and you do it repeatedly to her and Gia Lupea. It's the SOS...when you do it, it's fine. When your friends (ie, those who think the same as you) do it, it's fine. If someone who doesn't think like you does it, suddenly you've got a problem with it. The only salient thing in your posts are that they exhibit the SOS over and over again. Just as you accuse mine of doing. Lauren, I don't normally respond to you because I don't like you, but I am going to say this one thing: I have absolutely not gone after anyone, including Rainbow, again and again. And my concern for the safety of her daughter in that thread had nothing to do with political beliefs or speech, so I don't know what you think it has to do with this thread, other than that it was a recent example of a "typical liberal" doing something you didn't like.
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Post by chlerbie on Jun 4, 2016 22:09:41 GMT
Call me shallow if you want, but if my guy suddenly wanted to vote for Trump, it would mean, to me, that he was a racist, didn't care about women's rights, etc. and that wouldn't be someone I felt reflected my own views on life. And I'm not saying I'd feel that way with any candidate that he'd vote for--we have some differing views, but I feel very strongly about Trump and what he stands for and who he is and I would have to take a good hard look at my spouse. It's about a lot more than "voting for a different candidate" in this case, no matter how you choose to see it.
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Post by trollie on Jun 4, 2016 22:09:59 GMT
If Trump is elected I'm going to divorce my husband and leave the country!
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Post by Tamhugh on Jun 4, 2016 22:18:19 GMT
I think it's equally ridiculous no matter which side is saying it. But to divorce your spouse because he votes for a different candidate than you? Sorry, but no matter which side of the aisle this person is on, it's a ridiculous comment to make. And frankly, I'm really not surprised that liberals (AKA the New Thought Police) would be the ones to consider divorcing their spouses because their spouses do not think like them. And we wonder why so many of them have cheating spouses, broken homes, etc, etc. Then again, my core values are very different from theirs. My relationship with my husband does not depend on his choice of presidential candidate. I agree with this part. However, I think you are forgetting how many Peas in the past have said that they would never marry someone who had different political views than them, or be friends with anyone who had different political views than them. A lot of those people were the super right-wingers on the boards. I always remembered because I couldn't understand it at all. My world would be very small indeed if I only had people around me that thought like me.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 4, 2016 22:19:45 GMT
Because I'm not marrying Trump. I am under no illusions that either potential President has virtue, honor, etc. Unlike you, I do not believe Hillary is a better choice. But that doesn't mean that I consider Trump to be "human of the year". I do, however, believe that whatever his foibles, I will be far happier with Trump's actions (especially his nominations to the S Ct) than I will with Hillary's. That is why I'm voting for him.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 4, 2016 22:21:02 GMT
You and I have a very different recollection. I have found it was the liberals who made comment like this.
I couldn't agree more.
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Post by trollie on Jun 4, 2016 22:24:41 GMT
I think it's equally ridiculous no matter which side is saying it. But to divorce your spouse because he votes for a different candidate than you? Sorry, but no matter which side of the aisle this person is on, it's a ridiculous comment to make. And frankly, I'm really not surprised that liberals (AKA the New Thought Police) would be the ones to consider divorcing their spouses because their spouses do not think like them. And we wonder why so many of them have cheating spouses, broken homes, etc, etc. Then again, my core values are very different from theirs. My relationship with my husband does not depend on his choice of presidential candidate. Interesting little graph I found: img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/files/2014/04/scandal-decade.jpglink fixed
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Post by chlerbie on Jun 4, 2016 22:26:41 GMT
I have many friends with different core beliefs than me and it works out just fine. However, I don't feel it would work out fine with the man that I spend every day with. Honestly, he could vote for a Republican and I might think he'd lost his mind and we'd likely have some hefty debates. But I feel strongly about Trump and the things he's said and done. I couldn't get behind my partner in life agreeing with calling women "pigs", all the racist comments he's made, the mocking of the disabled, etc.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 4, 2016 22:28:44 GMT
You keep saying that and yet you have been responding to me on all different posts. I just think you like telling someone you don't like them and view it as acceptable to do to me. Doesn't say much about you.
You live in such a state of denial it's scary. Just as your words against Rainbow were scary. You went after Rainbow because of her expressed political beliefs. Plain and simple. You were a message board stalker. Plain and simple. You were called on it by other Peas, not just me. So no matter how many times you tell me you don't like me, your words/actions speak for themselves; and it's not pretty.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 4, 2016 22:30:11 GMT
So you'd leave him?
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 4, 2016 22:30:19 GMT
I said this before... please, give us the highlights of all the positives of your candidate. Tell us why they are the best. Seriously. It's become quite the norm that when bad things happen, instead of telling us why your candidate is the best fit, you swing out with (post articles/links) with anything you can of why it's always someone else's fault! It would certainly be refreshing to read about all the positive attributes of your candidate for once vs the same old party line bullcrap propaganda- attack, divide and conquer. By doing so, making some sort of compelling informative argument for your candidate may educate others. Why would anyone do that and subject themselves to the vile, vicious attack that would occur. Why assume the worst? I get what you are saying--those who are in camp Hillary are attacked daily. Seriously though--if your stance on who you vote for is nothing more than "he's not HER" or because I vote republican then those don't say anything about the positive attributes of your candidate. If your answer is "why bother" because you think you'll be attacked--this is the www. the Internet. Cyberspace not real physical life full of protests. I think it's a shame that you cannot speak positively about your choice, and instead deflect with the why bothers.
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Post by chlerbie on Jun 4, 2016 22:34:13 GMT
~Lauren~---I think I'd already said that I would. He wouldn't be the person that I thought he was, and not the person I chose to spend my life with.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 4, 2016 22:35:45 GMT
I said this before... please, give us the highlights of all the positives of your candidate. Tell us why they are the best. Seriously. It's become quite the norm that when bad things happen, instead of telling us why your candidate is the best fit, you swing out with (post articles/links) with anything you can of why it's always someone else's fault! It would certainly be refreshing to read about all the positive attributes of your candidate for once vs the same old party line bullcrap propaganda- attack, divide and conquer. By doing so, making some sort of compelling informative argument for your candidate may educate others. The problem with doing that here, on this board, is that people don't "just want to know" or are "just curious." They want to then argue about it and tell the person that their reasons are stupid. Those whose minds are already made up don't give two squirts about the positive attributes of the candidate on the other side. I am asking. And get this response often. It's a shame that pretty much no one will list out any of the positive attributes of their candidate , but in the same wind up can hurl out links and articles and jibber jabber of why another candidate is the devil, with even more vigor and vitriol! It's dished out for sure, but apparently cannot be taken!!
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 4, 2016 22:37:59 GMT
Well, OK then. You and I have very different views of what's important inn a marriage.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 22:39:22 GMT
Because I'm not marrying Trump. I am under no illusions that either potential President has virtue, honor, etc. Unlike you, I do not believe Hillary is a better choice. But that doesn't mean that I consider Trump to be "human of the year". I do, however, believe that whatever his foibles, I will be far happier with Trump's actions (especially his nominations to the S Ct) than I will with Hillary's. That is why I'm voting for him. Actually, I'm not at all sure that Hillary is a "better" choice. I do think she's far less crazy and volatile than Trump, but that doesn't mean I want to vote for her. I would happily vote for Bernie over Trump if I could, but the Democratic party and their promised super-delegate shenanigans have made that an impossibility from early on. I'm not saying that I think all of Bernie's ideas are wonderful, but IMO, he's far, far less dirty than Hillary. If at all possible, I'd like to vote for a third party candidate. I'm not sure if one will be on the ballot in my state, and it's beyond discouraging that in every election, voting third party means you're essentially throwing your vote away. I think if Bernie had run Independent or on a third party ticket, he might just have been the first viable third-party candidate. The system as it's functioning today is about to send us down a really, really scary path, and I really do believe it's time that people start demanding some serious changes in our political system. Holding our noses and continually trying to vote the lesser of two evils is exactly why things have degenerated to the point that these two candidates are the only choices most people will have.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 4, 2016 22:40:49 GMT
Well Lucy, that being the case "F__k Off". Your so-called "salient points" are nothing more than hypocrisy. I notice you didn't say a word to MergeLeft when she went after Rainbow Scrapper, asking the admins to give out Rainbow's name and address so MergeLeft could phone in a hotline report. Talk about going after the same person time and time again. I've seen your buds and you do it repeatedly to her and Gia Lupea. It's the SOS...when you do it, it's fine. When your friends (ie, those who think the same as you) do it, it's fine. If someone who doesn't think like you does it, suddenly you've got a problem with it. The only salient thing in your posts are that they exhibit the SOS over and over again. Just as you accuse mine of doing. Lauren you do exactly the same things that you are raging over Lucyg with right now! You've done the several times in this thread!!! It IS the SOS with you too--you attack, insult, deflect to anyone who does not think like you do.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 4, 2016 22:42:35 GMT
I agree with you 100% on this
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 4, 2016 22:46:05 GMT
Well, OK then. You and I have very different views of what's important inn a marriage. And no one view is better than the other.
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Post by chlerbie on Jun 4, 2016 22:46:26 GMT
Well...since you're a Trump supporter, I'm not surprised that you don't understand where I'm coming from.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 22:47:37 GMT
Because I'm not marrying Trump. I am under no illusions that either potential President has virtue, honor, etc. Unlike you, I do not believe Hillary is a better choice. But that doesn't mean that I consider Trump to be "human of the year". I do, however, believe that whatever his foibles, I will be far happier with Trump's actions (especially his nominations to the S Ct) than I will with Hillary's. That is why I'm voting for him. Thank you for explaining your thinking. I see your point about Supreme Court nominations, even if I would probably disagree with you on choice of nominees. Does Trump's big mouth not worry you? You don't think that his kind of talk could provoke another very volatile leader into dangerous military action?
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 4, 2016 22:47:37 GMT
The thing is, that you assume that because I'm a Trump support, I agree with everything he says and does. You couldn't be more wrong.
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Post by SockMonkey on Jun 4, 2016 22:48:59 GMT
Well, I guess the election season has officially begun if Lauren is winding up the crazy-crank again.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 4, 2016 22:49:03 GMT
To be honest, I find Hillary's stealth and lies to be far more worrying than a big mouth who puts it all out there.
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Post by lucyg on Jun 4, 2016 22:51:08 GMT
Well Lucy, that being the case "F__k Off". Your so-called "salient points" are nothing more than hypocrisy. I notice you didn't say a word to MergeLeft when she went after Rainbow Scrapper, asking the admins to give out Rainbow's name and address so MergeLeft could phone in a hotline report. Talk about going after the same person time and time again. I've seen your buds and you do it repeatedly to her and Gia Lupea. It's the SOS...when you do it, it's fine. When your friends (ie, those who think the same as you) do it, it's fine. If someone who doesn't think like you does it, suddenly you've got a problem with it. The only salient thing in your posts are that they exhibit the SOS over and over again. Just as you accuse mine of doing. Oh, look at that. Lauren has told me to fuck off. Again. About Rainbow (whom I am tagging because I don't think it's nice to talk about her behind her back) I have most certainly not "gone after" her time and again. I happen to be a bit fond of her, probably quite a bit fonder of her than she is of me. I have openly disagreed with her many times but I don't "attack." Carry on.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 4, 2016 22:51:17 GMT
Well, I guess the election season has officially begin if Lauren is winding up the crazy-crank again. You mean as opposed to those, including some of your buds, who's crazy-crank is always on regardless of the season?. LOL, ok, I can live with that.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 4, 2016 22:52:13 GMT
I can't help but wonder if Rainbow would agree with all the posters who claim they never go after her.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2016 22:54:15 GMT
To be honest, I find Hillary's stealth and lies to be far more worrying than a big mouth who puts it all out there. Well, I can't imagine any big mouth scarier than Trump's being Commander In Chief, but I do appreciate you giving specific reasons why you'd actually vote for him.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 4, 2016 22:55:19 GMT
And I appreciate you're hearing my reasons and not getting nasty even though you disagree.
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