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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 5, 2016 0:33:30 GMT
Sarah, I don't think my response to your post and in direct response to the words therein contradicts anything I've said in the OP or thereafter. I will repeat, people are voting for Trump for a myriad of reasons and you cannot assume that everyone doing so agrees with any or all of what he says about minorities. So, yes, I think divorcing your spouse over voting for him is ridiculous and shallow.
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Post by JBeans on Jun 5, 2016 0:54:02 GMT
Blow me down, but if I go by Lauren's post at face value, yes, I agree with her. There's a lot of hyperbole to go around the political table that is eyeroll worthy.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 5, 2016 1:25:34 GMT
You are ignoring what I posted about people who claim not to attack her when in reality they do. Whether or not its warranted in your eyes is irrelevant to that issue. I saw it, didn't ignore it, and asked a question.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 5, 2016 1:27:43 GMT
I don't believe that much of what Rainbow Scrapper gets is warranted and I think nothing she posts is any worse than what many others post.
I think that answers your question.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 5, 2016 1:32:32 GMT
I don't believe that much of what Rainbow Scrapper gets is warranted and I think nothing she posts is any worse than what many others post. I think that answers your question. Well, you are entitled to your own opinion, however there are many who find her repulsive, vulgar and vile at times. Most recently calling transgender children "freaks". You don't get to decide for anyone but yourself if something was warranted or not. Her awful comments might not offend your kind of sensibilities, but they certainly offend others.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 5, 2016 1:38:56 GMT
Really? All the violence I've seen have come from those who are anti-Trump. Then you are limited in what you read/view. Just in March 2016 Trumps campaign manager was seen (it was all over with photos) getting physical with a protestor. There are many instances of Trump supporters getting physical with those who don't agree. Trump himself condoned violence and said that he would pay legal fees for one of his supporters in NC who attacked a no -trump protestor. It's not happenstance that the violence follows his campaign, he challenges it, and makes a frenzy out of it.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 5, 2016 1:41:47 GMT
And those against him are all to willing to engage. So why is he any worse?
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jun 5, 2016 1:43:04 GMT
Dh voted for Obama the first time. I stuck with him and he decided not to vote for him the second time. No divorcing, though there was a bit of teasing At this point neither of us know who we'll vote for. I will probably vote third party and he might vote for Trump. But I won't leave him or threaten to. In our state it doesn't matter who you vote for if it's not the democratic candidate
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 1:44:22 GMT
Really? All the violence I've seen have come from those who are anti-Trump. Then you are limited in what you read/view. Just in March 2016 Trumps campaign manager was seen (it was all over with photos) getting physical with a protestor.There are many instances of Trump supporters getting physical with those who don't agree. Trump himself condoned violence and said that he would pay legal fees for one of his supporters in NC who attacked a no -trump protestor. It's not happenstance that the violence follows his campaign, he challenges it, and makes a frenzy out of it. I thought the campaign manager got physical with a reporter? And a Breitbart reporter at that?!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 1:48:51 GMT
And those against him are all to willing to engage. So why is he any worse?1. I do not for one minute believe that all people against Trump are willing to engage in violence. I'm totally anti-Trump, but I'm not going to beat anyone up over it or do something like key or egg a car displaying a Trump sticker. 2. This is going right back into the "they did it first" or "if they're going to do it, so are we" attitude, and that always shuts down real discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 1:52:30 GMT
Why would anyone do that and subject themselves to the vile, vicious attack that would occur. Why assume the worst? That's not assuming, that's experience. Yes, it is. A damn shame.
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Post by gulfcoastgirl on Jun 5, 2016 1:55:58 GMT
Years ago on the old board, I vented when My Special Snowflake Perfect Stepson got a girl pregnant. I was NOT happy about it - I was downright nasty, but it was a vent and I have since enjoyed every last bit of crow I've had to eat. I was drawn and quartered by the 2peas community, even though it was just a vent. Lauren was the only one who stepped up in my corner and defended my right to vent. She was a huge comfort to me, and among the torch-carrying villagers, was the only one who assured me I'd feel completely different, very soon. Things have been as Lauren predicted: they turned out just fine. I don't usually comment on political threads: I'm a Democrat and vote the party, and I couldn't hold my own with the usual (informed)political voices here. Just think - even f we don't agree with you, at least we'll have something to think about!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 1:58:01 GMT
papercrafteradvocate I did make a post about a positive for Trump. I can't remember if it's in this thread or the other one, I'm all mixed up now. It was about his list of SCOTUS nominees should he be elected.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 2:01:41 GMT
Years ago on the old board, I vented when My Special Snowflake Perfect Stepson got a girl pregnant. I was NOT happy about it - I was downright nasty, but it was a vent and I have since enjoyed every last bit of crow I've had to eat. I was drawn and quartered by the 2peas community, even though it was just a vent. Lauren was the only one who stepped up in my corner and defended my right to vent. She was a huge comfort to me, and among the torch-carrying villagers, was the only one who assured me I'd feel completely different, very soon. Things have been as Lauren predicted: they turned out just fine. I don't usually comment on political threads: I'm a Democrat and vote the party, and I couldn't hold my own with the usual (informed)political voices here. Just think - even f we don't agree with you, at least we'll have something to think about! *Elaine shove* Get out! I remember that. I remember thinking how nasty you were being, but if you were clear from the get-go about venting, then I can see why Lauren defended your right to vent. I'm glad to hear things turned out fine with the baby, the perfect stepson, and the baby mama. Babies really can make so many things ok once they arrive.
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Post by Tamhugh on Jun 5, 2016 3:25:19 GMT
You and I have a very different recollection. I have found it was the liberals who made comment like this. I couldn't agree more. Well, the most vocal one that came to mind for me was Mrs. T, who could have never been considered liberal. And a lot of the time, it was brought up that the people who felt this way believed it because their political beliefs were based on their conservative religious beliefs. I am sure there were liberals who felt that way also. I just specifically remembered her and a lot of her defenders on the old board saying this more than anyone else.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 5, 2016 15:04:39 GMT
Well Lucy, that being the case "F__k Off". Your so-called "salient points" are nothing more than hypocrisy. I notice you didn't say a word to MergeLeft when she went after Rainbow Scrapper, asking the admins to give out Rainbow's name and address so MergeLeft could phone in a hotline report. Talk about going after the same person time and time again. I've seen your buds and you do it repeatedly to her and Gia Lupea. It's the SOS...when you do it, it's fine. When your friends (ie, those who think the same as you) do it, it's fine. If someone who doesn't think like you does it, suddenly you've got a problem with it. The only salient thing in your posts are that they exhibit the SOS over and over again. Just as you accuse mine of doing. Oh, look at that. Lauren has told me to fuck off. Again. About Rainbow (whom I am tagging because I don't think it's nice to talk about her behind her back) I have most certainly not "gone after" her time and again. I happen to be a bit fond of her, probably quite a bit fonder of her than she is of me. I have openly disagreed with her many times but I don't "attack." Carry on. That is true, Lucy! You haven't attacked me. We have disagreed but it was never a throw down situation. I like seeing your posts. I truthfully can't remember who has attacked me in the past, although it was probably liberals because we are on opposite sides of the aisle. And Mergeleft the other day. Don't know what side she's on, LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 15:17:13 GMT
My husband and I often vote differently on various measures and even for some candidates. But if he were to vote for Trump, it would really raise questions for me about his integrity and core values. Some candidates are just beyond simple disagreements. And so what if his core values have changed over time. So what if he doesn't hold the same core beliefs as you about the direction this country is going. Is that really something that would cause you to leave him? Aren't his beliefs about family, virtue, honor etc far more important to you and your relationship regardless of his political beliefs? I cannot wrap my mind around how shallow some of you sound. What is hard to wrap ones head around is how holier than though you sound! People are entitled to their thoughts and opinions! If my DH voted for trump we would have a serious issue.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 5, 2016 15:21:48 GMT
I can't help but wonder if Rainbow would agree with all the posters who claim they never go after her. There are some who will post nasty no matter what my topic might be. I'm kinda like the acceptable pea whipping boy. Truthfully, it shows more about them and their actions than mine. I don't always have proud moments, but I don't go after other peas and beat them over the head about something they said YEARS ago about something that happened even longer ago like the kirby thing. My God, that was 10-12 years ago. It's over. Done. Can't change it. Why harp on it? Does it make you (whomever brings it up) feel good to do that? It was a low point in my life. Keep bringing it up and you'll look like an ass every time. Everyone has had low points in their lives and things they regret doing. What is worse it to beat the person over the head with it over and over. That is cruel. I wouldn't expect any less from some of the peas here.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 5, 2016 16:03:20 GMT
And remember that when people express opinions against gay marriage or against transgender bathrooms.
Then again, when told that people are entitled to their thoughts on these issues, those who don't like the opinions have no problem saying "and people are entitled to comment on those opinions". So that's what I'm doing; commenting on the opinions people are expressing. If that makes me sound holier than thou to you, so be it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 16:11:51 GMT
And remember that when people express opinions against gay marriage or against transgender bathrooms. Everyone absolutely is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions. What they're not entitled to is denying rights to others based on those opinions or beliefs. Don't like gay marriage? Fine, don't get one. Don't like transgender bathrooms? Fine, don't use one. Pull a Kim Davis and break laws to try and force others into following your beliefs? Not ok at all.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 5, 2016 16:13:59 GMT
I don't want to change the focus of this thread by into other issues. I will simply say that transgender bathrooms give .03% of the population rights but trample on the rights of 50% of the population.
Also, people here are lambasted for merely expressing the opinion. It is the expression of the opinion I was referring to above.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 16:20:26 GMT
I don't want to change the focus of this thread by into other issues. I will simply say that transgender bathrooms give .03% of the population rights but trample on the rights of 50% of the population. Also, people here are lambasted for merely expressing the opinion. It is the expression of the opinion I was referring to above. I understand, even though I disagree with your opinion about the bathrooms. You're right about that being a discussion for another thread. And I would agree that lambasting someone for merely having an opinion is not nice. But I will lambast someone if they are trying to trample on the rights of others because of their opinion.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 5, 2016 16:20:47 GMT
And remember that when people express opinions against gay marriage or against transgender bathrooms. Everyone absolutely is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions. What they're not entitled to is denying rights to others based on those opinions or beliefs. Don't like gay marriage? Fine, don't get one. Don't like transgender bathrooms? Fine, don't use one. Pull a Kim Davis and break laws to try and force others into following your beliefs? Not ok at all. You can't just not use a bathroom when it's needed. How about if it's dangerous for a transgender to use a restroom then THEY just don't use one? Because it isn't about bathrooms, fairness, discrimination or anything else except forcing more crap on people who don't want it.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 5, 2016 17:20:50 GMT
Everyone absolutely is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions. What they're not entitled to is denying rights to others based on those opinions or beliefs. Don't like gay marriage? Fine, don't get one. Don't like transgender bathrooms? Fine, don't use one. Pull a Kim Davis and break laws to try and force others into following your beliefs? Not ok at all. You can't just not use a bathroom when it's needed. How about if it's dangerous for a transgender to use a restroom then THEY just don't use one? Because it isn't about bathrooms, fairness, discrimination or anything else except forcing more crap on people who don't want it.This is the type of comments that get rainbow bunny called out. Sure she is entitled to her opinion-not a problem. The problem is calling transgender children freaks and he thought of allowing transgender people to use the bathroom as "crap". There are members of this community who have transgender children, family members and friends that she outright offends deeply by using the words that she does. She does it purposefully too--she knows exactly what response she is going to get because of what she writes.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 5, 2016 17:30:12 GMT
I don't see anywhere in your quoted posts where she called anyone a freak
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 5, 2016 17:31:07 GMT
You can't just not use a bathroom when it's needed. How about if it's dangerous for a transgender to use a restroom then THEY just don't use one? Because it isn't about bathrooms, fairness, discrimination or anything else except forcing more crap on people who don't want it. This is the type of comments that get rainbow bunny called out. Sure she is entitled to her opinion-not a problem. The problem is calling transgender children freaks and he thought of allowing transgender people to use the bathroom as "crap". There are members of this community who have transgender children, family members and friends that she outright offends deeply by using the words that she does. She does it purposefully too--she knows exactly what response she is going to get because of what she writes. I believe I said this country is starting to look like a freak show. And it is. I'm sure the world is laughing at all the crap they see being legislated here. When you fill out forms these days it shouldn't say male or female it should say what do you FEEL LIKE today? Do you feel like a white female or do you feel like a black male? Just put down what you want to be that day, LOL.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 5, 2016 17:33:34 GMT
I don't see anywhere in your quoted posts where she called anyone a freak I've never called a child a freak. They just say that for the emotional response it elicits.
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Post by mellyw on Jun 5, 2016 18:04:10 GMT
O.K, I'll wade in late to this thread, & say that yes, if my DH expressed interest in voting for Trump, I'd have some soul searching to do.
For those who don't understand my sentiment, let me lay out some facts about me. I have a degree in Political Science, so please allow me to say I'm well versed in politics & it's history. I've been married to the same man for 27 years this Aug., been together for 28. Spent 22 of those years as a military wife. In the 2000 election, Michigan messed up our absentee vote ballots, we spent over $200 dollars to make sure our ballots were back to MI. In time to count (we were in England). I'm just trying to get thru that my DH & I have been together thru so many ups & downs & are politically active. Oh & those $200 dollars were spent on votes for George W. Bush, I vote for who I think is best, not party lines.
I think we can all agree there has never been a candidate like Trump, right? It seems to be why some like him, not a career politician. So please understand, that those attracted to him for those reasons,some of us have the exact opposite reaction. I find the man so morally repugnant, that it has changed my view on anyone I know who is voting for him. I don't enjoy saying that, I truly don't. But remember, never been a candidate like him.
I'm thinking of every man & one woman who started at the beginning of this process on the Republican side, & can not even begin to imagine feeling the same way about any of them. We have differences in opinion, sure. But I felt confident they understood how our Government/Constitution works.
So, if Trump, in your view, is such a transformative, outside the norm candidate who inspires some to vote for him, don't be so shocked & dismissive to those of us who have the opposite reaction.
If it makes you feel better to think these views are shallow, go for it. I've attempted to explain the why's from the other side.
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Post by JBeans on Jun 5, 2016 18:09:19 GMT
This is the type of comments that get rainbow bunny called out. Sure she is entitled to her opinion-not a problem. The problem is calling transgender children freaks and he thought of allowing transgender people to use the bathroom as "crap". There are members of this community who have transgender children, family members and friends that she outright offends deeply by using the words that she does. She does it purposefully too--she knows exactly what response she is going to get because of what she writes. I believe I said this country is starting to look like a freak show. And it is. I'm sure the world is laughing at all the crap they see being legislated here. When you fill out forms these days it shouldn't say male or female it should say what do you FEEL LIKE today? Do you feel like a white female or do you feel like a black male? Just put down what you want to be that day, LOL.No, the world is seeing the US as being less than progressive. And sorry here is an example of hyperbolic statements on the other side.
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Post by Enna on Jun 5, 2016 19:33:54 GMT
I'm from Europe and at least in my country everyone is shaking their heads and trying to understand why anyone would vote for Trump. And honestly, the whole thing feels like a joke.
I can't imagine a world with him as the president.
And what comes to this marriage discussion, I would be seriously re-thinking even friendship with someone who would want to see him as the president.
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