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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 20:18:16 GMT
Ed-u-ca-tion is the only way to change peoples' attitudes about what they can do with their life. This can not be said often enough!! The best birth control around is an educated young woman with goals and a plan for her life!
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 9, 2016 20:38:35 GMT
I'm still confused about how all these people are spending years living on welfare, I really thought that there was a 5 year limit to receive welfare. Yes, there is. One can no longer just keep having children to extend welfare benefits nor can they stay on welfare "for generations." That changed during the Clinton administration. But people still latch onto the urban myth of the "welfare queen" which never was the norm in the first place no matter how many apocryphal anecdotes are dredged up over and over. It may vary by state. I also believe that there are different funding sources/programs that provide aid. Most of the population that I work with lives off of benefits and it doesn't seem to be limited unless they are under certain programs. The funding comes in the form of medical assistance, daycare assistance, food stamps, cash assistance, housing assistance, etc.
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Post by compwalla on Jun 9, 2016 21:11:07 GMT
Yes, there is. One can no longer just keep having children to extend welfare benefits nor can they stay on welfare "for generations." That changed during the Clinton administration. But people still latch onto the urban myth of the "welfare queen" which never was the norm in the first place no matter how many apocryphal anecdotes are dredged up over and over. It may vary by state. I also believe that there are different funding sources/programs that provide aid. Most of the population that I work with lives off of benefits and it doesn't seem to be limited unless they are under certain programs. The funding comes in the form of medical assistance, daycare assistance, food stamps, cash assistance, housing assistance, etc. And it will stay that way until we make significant changes. When there is no state in which minimum wage affords apartment rent then we have an issue. We can either deal with homeless people and families or force Wal-Mart and Colonel Sanders and Ronald McDonald to pay the real cost of labor or we can keep supplementing their labor cost with public welfare programs for their employees. Why are we mad at poor people instead of mad at the companies that employ them? Because the truth is that the vast majority of people receiving assistance do work at some kind of job. They are not laying about on the sofa getting rich off the dole.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 9, 2016 21:13:41 GMT
No, my NAME is Virginia. It is both a place and a name. I don't live there. I do live in a place where funding has been cut for basic services to the point where women are smuggling mifepristone across the border from Mexico and where the replacement HIV testing program that was implemented after Planned Parenthood was defunded has performed zero HIV tests. Where millions of my fellow Texans are stuck in the medicare gap without insurance and where it's more important to imply to kids that Jesus rode a dinosaur than it is to educate our students about science that's factually accurate. OMG, word for word where I live except Jesus riding a dinosaur. It's more important to have porn week at school. Students need to know how evil it is for them. Wear a white ribbon for purity! Declare porn a health crisis at the state legislative session. The same guy who got this passed also believes masturbation is a sin and it has to be reported to the bishop. FTR, I am one of those almost middle class people trying to get my kid on Medicaid. We have insurance. Obamacare does not cover my kids pre existing conditions. My husband is a federal employee and they don't have to adhere to the state law that says my kids should be covered from ages 2-9 (because you know Autism magically disappears after 9).
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 9, 2016 21:28:45 GMT
It may vary by state. I also believe that there are different funding sources/programs that provide aid. Most of the population that I work with lives off of benefits and it doesn't seem to be limited unless they are under certain programs. The funding comes in the form of medical assistance, daycare assistance, food stamps, cash assistance, housing assistance, etc. And it will stay that way until we make significant changes. When there is no state in which minimum wage affords apartment rent then we have an issue. We can either deal with homeless people and families or force Wal-Mart and Colonel Sanders and Ronald McDonald to pay the real cost of labor or we can keep supplementing their labor cost with public welfare programs for their employees. Why are we mad at poor people instead of mad at the companies that employ them? Because the truth is that the vast majority of people receiving assistance do work at some kind of job. They are not laying about on the sofa getting rich off the dole. They aren't getting rich but there are many who are comfortable where they are. However, there are also people who do want to get ahead but it will be very difficult for them. For example, I talked to someone last week who lives in subsidized housing and gets other assistance. She has one child. She works, and says that she wants to work lots of hours to save for a house. That sounds great, but the problem is that she won't be able to work many more hours before losing some of that funding. Others choose to work less hours because even working close to full time won't pay their bills but will cause them to lose their funding. I don't know what the best solution is. In some situations giving more leeway in regards to how much they can earn would be helpful. But in other ways making them less comfortable is probably more likely to result in change for them. It is kind of like another family I know--two kids. Oldest is a go-getter and is in college, living on her own and paying her way. Parents help with car insurance and some other random things, which the child appreciates. She still has goals and wand to achieve them and is working for them. Helping her is a hand up. Child #2 lives at home, parents pay for everything, has quit college and is perfectly comfortable where she is at. She does not have the same drive to succeed and do better that the other child has. For her, paying for things is actually stifling her. The parents need to take different approaches to help them both succeed in life.
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Post by Regina Phalange on Jun 9, 2016 21:43:27 GMT
Wrap your head around this one:
My friend's second daughter - has something like 31 half siblings. She has 5 siblings that are the same age as her.
That is some iron-ass sperm!
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 9, 2016 22:09:12 GMT
It may vary by state. I also believe that there are different funding sources/programs that provide aid. Most of the population that I work with lives off of benefits and it doesn't seem to be limited unless they are under certain programs. The funding comes in the form of medical assistance, daycare assistance, food stamps, cash assistance, housing assistance, etc. And it will stay that way until we make significant changes. When there is no state in which minimum wage affords apartment rent then we have an issue. We can either deal with homeless people and families or force Wal-Mart and Colonel Sanders and Ronald McDonald to pay the real cost of labor or we can keep supplementing their labor cost with public welfare programs for their employees. Why are we mad at poor people instead of mad at the companies that employ them? Because the truth is that the vast majority of people receiving assistance do work at some kind of job. They are not laying about on the sofa getting rich off the dole. I don't believe that minimum wage is meant to be something that you earn for life or is supposed to be enough to support a family. If the companies you posted (or others) raised minimum wage, the prices raise as well. Same with apartment rent. At minimum wage, you are going to be able to afford the minimum.
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Post by compwalla on Jun 9, 2016 22:20:24 GMT
And it will stay that way until we make significant changes. When there is no state in which minimum wage affords apartment rent then we have an issue. We can either deal with homeless people and families or force Wal-Mart and Colonel Sanders and Ronald McDonald to pay the real cost of labor or we can keep supplementing their labor cost with public welfare programs for their employees. Why are we mad at poor people instead of mad at the companies that employ them? Because the truth is that the vast majority of people receiving assistance do work at some kind of job. They are not laying about on the sofa getting rich off the dole. I don't believe that minimum wage is meant to be something that you earn for life or is supposed to be enough to support a family. If the companies you posted (or others) raised minimum wage, the prices raise as well. Same with apartment rent. At minimum wage, you are going to be able to afford the minimum. The intention of the minimum wage was absolutely to provide a living wage. We simply have not kept pace with the increase in the cost of living. In his 1933 address following the passage of the National Industrial Recovery Act, President Franklin D. Roosevelt noted that “no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.”
“By ‘business’ I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level — I mean the wages of decent living,” he stated.
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Post by danalz on Jun 9, 2016 22:37:03 GMT
I am a case manager for our state's welfare to work program. There is a federal 60 month limit for TANF (temporary aid for needy families) benefits. In WI there is a 24 month limit in a paid placement but time extensions are available.
I have to assign up to 40 hours of work activities per week for each of my people. To earn their full $653 per month, they need to do the activities, log them on a form, have someone verify that they did it through a signature, and turn those logs in to me weekly. For each hour that is not completed, verified and turned in I deduct $5 from their check.
Every month we have people do absolutely nothing and then call us yelling about cutting their check. Their logs are their timecard and so many just expect free money.
The program really works for those who are motivated. I've gotten people jobs within a week of starting in the program. Some people just want the handout and they burn through their months. You can't motivate those who don't want to be motivated.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 9, 2016 22:43:55 GMT
"The program really works for those who are motivated. I've gotten people jobs within a week of starting in the program. Some people just want the handout and they burn through their months. You can't motivate those who don't want to be motivated."
^^^ right-- so again, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM WE WANT TO SOLVE??
If we want to 'motivate' people then we need to do things like: provide a better education system (which means paying teachers more, etc. etc.), better more affordable housing, promoting a stable family life (and all that this entails-- how, I have no idea), better access to affordable healthcare, better access to healthy foods / no food deserts, better mass transit systems for those people who don't have cars, promoting jobs / careers that DON'T need a 4-yr degree... etc. etc.
And probably a whole SHIT-TON of other improvements are needed in our society to *motivate* 'those people' LONG BEFORE THEY END UP THERE.
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Post by happymomma on Jun 9, 2016 22:46:23 GMT
I am a case manager for our state's welfare to work program. There is a federal 60 month limit for TANF (temporary aid for needy families) benefits. In WI there is a 24 month limit in a paid placement but time extensions are available. I have to assign up to 40 hours of work activities per week for each of my people. To earn their full $653 per month, they need to do the activities, log them on a form, have someone verify that they did it through a signature, and turn those logs in to me weekly. For each hour that is not completed, verified and turned in I deduct $5 from their check. Every month we have people do absolutely nothing and then call us yelling about cutting their check. Their logs are their timecard and so many just expect free money. The program really works for those who are motivated. I've gotten people jobs within a week of starting in the program. Some people just want the handout and they burn through their months. You can't motivate those who don't want to be motivated. I've always thought it would be a great idea to have those on public assistance actually earn their money by doing such things as keeping the roadways clean of trash, helping the elderly with lawns, working in the city recycling center, etc. I know that some will hate doing that work, but if they do, they may be motivated to get a job doing something they like better instead. And if they don't mind those jobs, it will give them some pride in themselves because they are actually earning the money that the government supplies. What are some typical work activities that you assign?
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Post by danalz on Jun 9, 2016 22:48:08 GMT
I should add that we have resources that give them job training or GED classes. I have so much to offer and some people just don't want that type of help.
Ruby Paine has written great books about generational poverty. They are eye opening. I highly recommend them.
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Post by 950nancy on Jun 9, 2016 22:53:27 GMT
This is exactly why I support sex education in schools. Not everyone has a "pea" parent, that talks about protection, abstinence, and all the other fun stuff. I personally feel the more education the better. For my own kids, we will talk about our beliefs at home, and what my husband and I would like them to choose, and also talk about what they are learning in school. Wasn't there a pea that was encouraging her to teenage daughter to get pregnant??? I gave my boys the talk over and over. But when that feeling or opportunity hits, not everyone is going to make the safe choice. I told them to use a condom. And then think of me. I was hoping that might "deflate" the situation to think of their mother. My husband taught Health and Sex Ed. He had no problem giving the facts to my boys.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 9, 2016 22:55:02 GMT
Totally agree. Another irk that gets to me is the family I see with 5 kids under the age of 8 (3 are 1,2,&3) and whine about how hard it is to do everything and they never get any sleep but I overhear them talking about it being time for another baby. If you do not have the funds, time or energy for another baby, you shouldn't have one! We had a family like this in our community. One month they're on FB asking for financial donations because their electricity was about to be cut off. Next month they're on FB crying because people were judging them for trying to have another baby (they ended up with at least 6, maybe more).
Actually, I think she ended up with another "soul-mate" (her third one) not too long after the 2nd one was arrested for dealing drugs and child neglect and sent to prison. Pretty sure she's had one with that guy now, too.
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Post by Rainbow on Jun 9, 2016 22:57:12 GMT
Yes, there is. One can no longer just keep having children to extend welfare benefits nor can they stay on welfare "for generations." That changed during the Clinton administration. But people still latch onto the urban myth of the "welfare queen" which never was the norm in the first place no matter how many apocryphal anecdotes are dredged up over and over. You live in Virginia, right? Well, I can tell you that in NY there are quite a few "welfare queens" despite what Clinton did or what you think. Same here in North Carolina, where 80% of public school kids are on free lunch program.
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Post by danalz on Jun 9, 2016 22:57:43 GMT
I am a case manager for our state's welfare to work program. There is a federal 60 month limit for TANF (temporary aid for needy families) benefits. In WI there is a 24 month limit in a paid placement but time extensions are available. I have to assign up to 40 hours of work activities per week for each of my people. To earn their full $653 per month, they need to do the activities, log them on a form, have someone verify that they did it through a signature, and turn those logs in to me weekly. For each hour that is not completed, verified and turned in I deduct $5 from their check. Every month we have people do absolutely nothing and then call us yelling about cutting their check. Their logs are their timecard and so many just expect free money. The program really works for those who are motivated. I've gotten people jobs within a week of starting in the program. Some people just want the handout and they burn through their months. You can't motivate those who don't want to be motivated. I've always thought it would be a great idea to have those on public assistance actually earn their money by doing such things as keeping the roadways clean of trash, helping the elderly with lawns, working in the city recycling center, etc. I know that some will hate doing that work, but if they do, they may be motivated to get a job doing something they like better instead. And if they don't mind those jobs, it will give them some pride in themselves because they are actually earning the money that the government supplies. What are some typical work activities that you assign? I assign employment search, job workshops that work on interviewing/resumes/professionalism, volunteering at different work sites, etc. If they are doing GEDclasses or other job skills training we can put that on a plan as well.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jun 9, 2016 22:58:05 GMT
so free lunch means their mothers are welfare queens, is that it?? SMH.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 23:02:50 GMT
I should add that we have resources that give them job training or GED classes. I have so much to offer and some people just don't want that type of help. Ruby Paine has written great books about generational poverty. They are eye opening. I highly recommend them.I second this recommendation. Anyone who's interested in actually understanding and solving the problem should definitely read some of her work.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 9, 2016 23:05:13 GMT
FTR, my friend's daughter is NOT on public assistance and has a good job and supports her son just fine. My issue is with her deadbeat boyfriend who refuses to work and support ANY of his multiple children. That I cannot excuse and I will "put him on blast" for it. He is young and healthy and will NEVER be a rap star, so he needs to get a fricking job. And I do wonder what makes women attracted to him-- there have obviously been several. Attracted enough to accidentally/on purpose get pregnant by him. Birth control is easy enough to come by these days. I think they think that somehow they will be a family and that will fill some kind of hole in their lives.
I think sex education is ESSENTIAL... but so is building up the self-esteem of young girls so they don't feel a baby is the only way to happiness. Dingdingding!!! Thank you for saying this.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 9, 2016 23:10:13 GMT
Key Findings • States have developed widely varying approaches to time limits. States have broad flexibility in designing time-limit policies, in large part because the federal time limit does not apply to state-funded benefits. Currently, 40 states have time limits that can result in the termination of families’ welfare benefits; 17 of those states have limits of fewer than 60 months. However, nearly half the national welfare caseload is in states that either have no time limit (2 states) or a time limit that reduces or modifies benefits when the limit is reached (8 states and the District of Columbia). link This is very telling!
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 9, 2016 23:22:35 GMT
You live in Virginia, right? Well, I can tell you that in NY there are quite a few "welfare queens" despite what Clinton did or what you think. Same here in North Carolina, where 80% of public school kids are on free lunch program.Stop. It is one thing to go after the parents, but it is another thing entirely to drag the kids into a discussion about a situation that they have zero control over. And, the fact of the matter is that what we would consider the 'working poor' also are eligible for free or reduced lunches so those children very well could come from families that ARE working and simply still falling below the poverty level. Leave the kids out of it.
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Post by happymomma on Jun 9, 2016 23:28:27 GMT
Same here in North Carolina, where 80% of public school kids are on free lunch program. Stop. It is one thing to go after the parents, but it is another thing entirely to drag the kids into a discussion about a situation that they have zero control over. And, the fact of the matter is that what we would consider the 'working poor' also are eligible for free or reduced lunches so those children very well could come from families that ARE working and simply still falling below the poverty level. Leave the kids out of it. I don't think anyone is blaming the kids. Just stating the percentage of kids that are getting the free lunch, which means that the family is getting benefits. Nobody is attacking kids.
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Post by secondlife on Jun 9, 2016 23:36:57 GMT
Stop. It is one thing to go after the parents, but it is another thing entirely to drag the kids into a discussion about a situation that they have zero control over. And, the fact of the matter is that what we would consider the 'working poor' also are eligible for free or reduced lunches so those children very well could come from families that ARE working and simply still falling below the poverty level. Leave the kids out of it. I don't think anyone is blaming the kids. Just stating the percentage of kids that are getting the free lunch, which means that the family is getting benefits. Nobody is attacking kids. Context matters: she is stating that percentage in direct, quoted response to a statement about welfare queens. In other words, yep, we have welfare queens here too, see how many people's kids get free lunch? You don't have to directly attack the kids to associate free lunch with the welfare queen, and you don't have to make a far leap to understand that it is not a favorable statement about either.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 10, 2016 0:24:09 GMT
I don't think anyone is blaming the kids. Just stating the percentage of kids that are getting the free lunch, which means that the family is getting benefits. Nobody is attacking kids. Context matters: she is stating that percentage in direct, quoted response to a statement about welfare queens. In other words, yep, we have welfare queens here too, see how many people's kids get free lunch? You don't have to directly attack the kids to associate free lunch with the welfare queen, and you don't have to make a far leap to understand that it is not a favorable statement about either. Yes, that was what I was reacting to.
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Post by happymomma on Jun 10, 2016 0:29:51 GMT
Context matters: she is stating that percentage in direct, quoted response to a statement about welfare queens. In other words, yep, we have welfare queens here too, see how many people's kids get free lunch? You don't have to directly attack the kids to associate free lunch with the welfare queen, and you don't have to make a far leap to understand that it is not a favorable statement about either. Yes, that was what I was reacting to. Ok, I understand. I guess it's a matter of perception as well as context, and I didn't perceive it that way. But I can see your point.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 10, 2016 0:51:25 GMT
I've always thought it would be a great idea to have those on public assistance actually earn their money by doing such things as keeping the roadways clean of trash, helping the elderly with lawns, working in the city recycling center, etc. Many on public assistance do work to earn their money. Many, many military families receive food stamp benefits because the non-officer pay is low enough that they qualify. No one would ever state that a military member on food stamps should "actually earn their money."
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Post by moretimeplease on Jun 10, 2016 1:02:10 GMT
I'm still confused about how all these people are spending years living on welfare, I really thought that there was a 5 year limit to receive welfare. There's several possibilities for extensions. A big one is when mom gets herself declared "unable" to work. Another is if they get one or more children labeled with something, so they can be determined to be "needed in the home for care of an ill or disabled family member". And of course, if mom gets SSI disability, then she can get TANF for just the kids - no time limit for just kids.
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Post by Merge on Jun 10, 2016 1:06:51 GMT
I've always thought it would be a great idea to have those on public assistance actually earn their money by doing such things as keeping the roadways clean of trash, helping the elderly with lawns, working in the city recycling center, etc. Many on public assistance do work to earn their money. Many, many military families receive food stamp benefits because the non-officer pay is low enough that they qualify. No one would ever state that a military member on food stamps should "actually earn their money." Yep. There are areas where teachers and police offers earn little enough to qualify for aid as well.
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Post by quiltz on Jun 10, 2016 1:10:40 GMT
I should add that we have resources that give them job training or GED classes. I have so much to offer and some people just don't want that type of help. Ruby Paine has written great books about generational poverty. They are eye opening. I highly recommend them. I have been to several lectures/workshops led by Dr. Paine. She is an expert in this area of generational poverty.
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Post by chlerbie on Jun 10, 2016 2:52:07 GMT
Free lunch doesn't automatically mean that the parents are receiving benefits. I have a good friend, single mom, working a 40 hr. a week job, not on any sort of assistance--but her income is still low enough that her son qualifies for the free lunch program. It helps.
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