~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 8, 2016 17:40:58 GMT
Before anyone gets bent out of shape, I'm not talking about the family that has kids and then falls on hard times.
I'm talking about the a**holes I see every day who feel the need to have a child with every girlfriend/boyfriend they have and then cry to the court "I only bring home $250/week. I can't afford to pay support" (or child care, or health expenses etc). You know, the guy who's with pregnant girlfriend of the week, having child number 3 (4, 5, 6) and simply can't afford to pay the mother(s) of childs one and two. So what buddy? You expect them to starve because you just had to get another woman pregnant?
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 8, 2016 17:43:54 GMT
I completely agree with you and it sucks that they get away with paying $50-$250 per month if they pay at all. The mother doesn't have the choice of only giving $50 to her child's care (or father, I know a couple dead beat moms)
And pregnant gf should have had her mind on straight and not gotten knocked up by a loser who can't afford his current kids. No sympathy yo that woman from me.
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Montannie
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Post by Montannie on Jun 8, 2016 17:46:43 GMT
See it everyday. "Condoms are cheaper," is what I'd like to tell some of these jerks.
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 8, 2016 17:47:03 GMT
My favorite is when these deadbeats say "well if she can't afford the kid, I'll take him/her". Right. Because you're so responsible. My other favorite is the girlfriends who decide they want to be stay-at-home moms while deadbeat works earning $400/wk with four previous children (usually from 4 different mothers)to support.
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Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jun 8, 2016 17:48:06 GMT
No argument from me.
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 8, 2016 17:49:08 GMT
Although, to be fair, the same applies when a person remarries. Don't have more kids if you can't adequately support the ones you already have.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 17:49:51 GMT
YES!!!!!
I couldn't agree more. If you need help, take it, absolutely, but don't just take help because you can. My niece intentionally had a baby and is on every kind of support possible. It's sickening. All because she doesn't want to work.
ETA - I have a coworker who is pregnant and our company has really inexpensive health ins and it's great, and she refuses to go on it since the state is paying for all her stuff.
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Post by dazeepetals on Jun 8, 2016 17:50:41 GMT
Before anyone gets bent out of shape, I'm not talking about the family that has kids and then falls on hard times. I'm talking about the a**holes I see every day who feel the need to have a child with every girlfriend/boyfriend they have and then cry to the court "I only bring home $250/week. I can't afford to pay support" (or child care, or health expenses etc). You know, the guy who's with pregnant girlfriend of the week, having child number 3 (4, 5, 6) and simply can't afford to pay the mother(s) of childs one and two. So what buddy? You expect them to starve because you just had to get another woman pregnant? This applied just as much to women as it does men. If you can't afford to take care of a child, please try very hard to not get pregnant.
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oldcrow
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Post by oldcrow on Jun 8, 2016 17:55:01 GMT
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scrappert
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Post by scrappert on Jun 8, 2016 17:57:24 GMT
Agreed! I am living it, and this is a dead beat mom not dad. She has 3 kids, 2 do not live with her, the third one will probably end up with someone else eventually. We have #2, all kids have different dads. Sad in SOOOO many ways.
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Post by miominmio on Jun 8, 2016 18:00:51 GMT
I saw a lot of that in a previous job....including a guy who had six kids with six different women. How anyone would want to have sex with him, is beyond me. When I had a meeting with him (because he refused to pay child support), I doubt he had showered or changed clothes even once in the last week (or cut his fingernails the last month). I had to open the windows after he left......
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Post by scrapqueen01 on Jun 8, 2016 18:06:54 GMT
I have a friend who will be 30 in a few years and just recently got his first steady girlfriend. He has bounced around between his mom's and grandparents' house since I've known him the last 10 years. He held a job for about a month and was let go due to his various excuses for not coming to work. Even though they used protection he found a hole in the condom he used and his girlfriend thinks she might be pregnant. She wants a child (she's early 20's). I was telling him last night he needed to get his education (like he's been talking about) and get a good job before even thinking about having children. I can't wrap my mind around it. Last thing I wanted at that age was a boyfriend without a job
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 18:08:23 GMT
Amen! It is impossible for me to understand this mentality. I guess when you look around at your peer group and it seems normal, that's what you do. It's sad for everyone concerned, especially the children of course.
If you can't feed your baby (yeah, yeah) Then don't have a baby (yeah, yeah) And don't think maybe (yeah, yeah) If you can't feed your baby (yeah, yeah) You'll be always tryin' To stop that child from cryin' Hustlin', stealin', lyin' Now baby's slowly dyin'
-- Michael Jackson
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joelise
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Post by joelise on Jun 8, 2016 18:10:54 GMT
There is a woman from the UK in the papers recently who is looking for a sperm donor, she wants to have a 13th child! She is a single mum on benefits and sees nothing wrong with it I don't know how to make a link to the article.
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Post by mom on Jun 8, 2016 18:17:33 GMT
In complete agreement.
My personal favorite is when dad decides he doesnt want to pay support, so the kids should just live with him. Because he just knows it doesnt cost the $250/month he is paying in support to raise a kid. He can do it so much cheaper.
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scrapngranny
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Post by scrapngranny on Jun 8, 2016 18:19:45 GMT
I totally agree.
That also goes for girlfriend du jour of above named deadbeat, if you can't support a baby, protect yourself. And same goes for mommy of 3 (4, 5, 6) kids by as many baby daddy's, just stop having kids with every guy you date.
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uksue
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Post by uksue on Jun 8, 2016 18:21:04 GMT
Yes- a million times yes!
I saw this all the time in my previous job and of course the welfare state here ( which I mainly agree with) can often enable these loser parents by somewhat stepping in. So the hardworking tax payer is paying for these men who Knock out one baby after another .
Thankfully there is a benefit cap here now, but it doesn't really help where there is one or two babies with several different women .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 18:28:01 GMT
There is a woman from the UK in the papers recently who is looking for a sperm donor, she wants to have a 13th child! She is a single mum on benefits and sees nothing wrong with it I don't know how to make a link to the article. Sounds like octo-mom here in the U.S.
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Post by auntkelly on Jun 8, 2016 18:28:10 GMT
I used to practice workers' compensation law. We'd have cases where a young worker was tragically killed while on the job. A hearing would be held to determine who was entitled to benefits and appearances would be made on behalf of seven or eight kids the young worker allegedly fathered, not to mention the appearances made by the three or four women who claimed to be the common law wife at the time of death. It was heartbreaking to think of all those kids who had a father who didn't support them or see them while he was alive.
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Post by Scrapper100 on Jun 8, 2016 18:32:05 GMT
Totally agree as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 18:34:15 GMT
link It's the Daily Fail but you get the gist.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 8, 2016 18:43:11 GMT
I cannot imagine what you see in court, but I can totally agree with you on this vent!!
Where I used to work, I encountered so many grandparents taking care of grandchildren because of this very reason.
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joelise
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Post by joelise on Jun 8, 2016 18:47:58 GMT
link It's the Daily Fail but you get the gist. Thanks Lainey
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kateri5
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Post by kateri5 on Jun 8, 2016 18:49:18 GMT
I see this in my job ALL the time. Women who are having a baby with a guy who has numerous babies from other women who he presumably doesn't support. It kills me that they all seem to think/say that the other women are the b-word but he LOVES me! Past behavior is definitely an indication of future behavior.
Then you have the women who just keep having babies that they cannot afford to have and don't even seem to want to have them and that breaks my heart, as every baby deserves to be cherished and wanted. I've decided that while the women don't necessarily want the baby, they don't do anything to NOT get pregnant and usually end up pregnant year after year. They don't seem to care, as someone is going to be supporting them, usually the state but it doesn't matter so they don't have to worry about it.
It breaks my heart, especially since I see women who are losing much wanted and beloved babies and they've done nothing wrong. Then you see the women who haven't gotten prenatal care, don't take care of themselves while pregnant, some do drugs, smoke and drink the entire pregnancy and they end up with a full-term, healthy baby.
Smh.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 8, 2016 18:49:45 GMT
I used to practice workers' compensation law. We'd have cases where a young worker was tragically killed while on the job. A hearing would be held to determine who was entitled to benefits and appearances would be made on behalf of seven or eight kids the young worker allegedly fathered, not to mention the appearances made by the three or four women who claimed to be the common law wife at the time of death. It was heartbreaking to think of all those kids who had a father who didn't support them or see them while he was alive. I'm curious if you required DNA tests or if he was listed as the father on the birth certificate where he was legally required to provide support. I can see the other side where some women are like hey, dude is dead I'm going to get some money. ETA: I used to work payroll at the main offices of a company that owed tire stores. There was one employee that had multiple garnishments against him. At the time, we could only take a percentage of his salary. I got so many calls from collectors. Child support always was taken first. Most employees quit after they were found and their first paycheck was garnished.
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Post by blondiec47 on Jun 8, 2016 18:50:27 GMT
Totally agree--I feel bad for the people that did the right things and then fell on hard times. Welfare is supposed to be a hand up not a hand out. If there were not innocent children involved I would say-when you go on benefits we will pay for the kids you have now, but no more. My Step sister in law is one of those mothers--she could work but found a doctor that said she had panic disorder (she does not, I lived with a person that had it and they managed to work everyday) and bad knees. With all her benefits she brings in more then my DH who owns his own business, then will have the nerve to ask him for money (thankfully he says no)
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Post by breetheflea on Jun 8, 2016 18:55:48 GMT
I agree. My DH has a relative who has at least 7 kids (three of which were adopted by another family member). He is always trying to friend me on Facebook. If you have 7 kids you should be out working, not sending friend requests to someone you never met!
I also know a foster mom who says one of the kids she fosters has 18 half siblings between her two parents. Yikes.
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Post by tuesdaysgone on Jun 8, 2016 19:06:16 GMT
In total agreement. One of my friends is fostering a little girl now and just recently went to court when the biological mother attempted to get her daughter back. The so called mother has 2 children by two different men and has no job. She is currently pregnant again and says she's not sure who the father is of the unborn child. Of course the judge ruled against her. The true victim is the 5 year old foster child who loves her foster parents but still says she wants to be with her "mommy."
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Post by Nink on Jun 8, 2016 19:09:50 GMT
Yup. Agree!
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Post by oliquig on Jun 8, 2016 19:12:18 GMT
And this is why thorough sex education in schools and fully funding Planned Parenthood is so important.
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