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Post by papersilly on Jun 14, 2016 17:44:34 GMT
He proves time and again what a thin-skinned, small-minded egomaniac he is and yet he still enjoys wide support. water seeks its own level.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 14, 2016 17:46:51 GMT
He proves time and again what a thin-skinned, small-minded egomaniac he is and yet he still enjoys wide support. water seeks its own level. This is the scary part. It's easy to explain away one bat-crazy person, but...
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Post by carhoch on Jun 14, 2016 17:54:57 GMT
I will be very surprised if he is on the ballot in Novembre I really think that the GOP will take him out at the convention .
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 17:54:58 GMT
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Post by papersilly on Jun 14, 2016 18:19:09 GMT
water seeks its own level. This is the scary part. It's easy to explain away one bat-crazy person, but... Occam's razor. sometimes the easiest explanation is the best one.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 14, 2016 18:28:23 GMT
Can I ask why? From everything I've seen Trump and his supporters are not the one who start altercations when he speaks. But would the altercations happen if he wasn't there? He may not start them, but he certainly doesn't discourage them. Really? Should we say that the violence in Orlando wouldn't have happened if the gays weren't at that bar? Trump should limit where he goes so that crazies don't get violent? Do you really believe that? You'd never advocate any other group from congregating or attending a function because those who oppose them can't control themselves. Yet Trump should stop campaigning because some liberals choose violence?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 18:46:15 GMT
But would the altercations happen if he wasn't there? He may not start them, but he certainly doesn't discourage them. Really? Should we say that the violence in Orlando wouldn't have happened if the gays weren't at that bar? Trump should limit where he goes so that crazies don't get violent? Do you really believe that? You'd never advocate any other group from congregating or attending a function because those who oppose them can't control themselves. Yet Trump should stop campaigning because some liberals choose violence? Trump's rants of hate and fear against Muslims is along the same type of rhetoric Hitler used against the Jews. Intelligent folks understand this and so they are showing their opposition to Trump's words by protesting. I guess we should be thankful thin skinned Trump can't have these protestors shot because they dare disagree with him. I suspect if he thought he could get away with it he would.
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Post by whopea on Jun 14, 2016 18:55:21 GMT
He also talked about the shooters parents being immigrants and that we shouldn't just let anyone in the country. Does he not remember that his wives are immigrants? How many generations do we need to go back before someone is considered to be an American? That's an easy answer . . . we only need the current generation to be considered an American. That means swearing allegiance to the United States of America, not the Taliban, not Sharia Law nor any other foreign entity. Is that too much to ask? It's really unkind to distort what he said. Trump specifically said the Orlando shooter was born to Afghan parents and that the shooters father openly supported the Taliban. He went on to say that we should suspend immigration to the US from Islamic countries which support terrorism against us, Europe and our allies. The last time I looked, Czechoslovakia (home to Ivana) and Slovenia (home to Melania) are not Islamic countries supporting jihad. Both took steps to become legal US citizens.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 19:01:15 GMT
I suspect, yes. I can't remember ever hearing something so ugly and monstrous from a political candidate in my lifetime but maybe I've just blocked it out if I did. It makes me sad and afraid about what is happening in our country right now. I can. When poor Hillary was patting herself on the back after enduring her 11 hour ordeal before the Benghazi Committee. Given that it was about what happened there and to the people in their actual 13 hour ordeal, it was ugly and monstrous of her to laugh about it and what a great time she had afterwards.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 14, 2016 19:04:35 GMT
But would the altercations happen if he wasn't there? He may not start them, but he certainly doesn't discourage them. Really? Should we say that the violence in Orlando wouldn't have happened if the gays weren't at that bar? Trump should limit where he goes so that crazies don't get violent? Do you really believe that? You'd never advocate any other group from congregating or attending a function because those who oppose them can't control themselves. Yet Trump should stop campaigning because some liberals choose violence? I'm not saying that at all. Trump can go wherever he wants. He can campaign wherever he wants.
Trump was the first one to bring up riots and violence in regard to his campaign/election. He "predicted" it if he didn't win, basically asking for people to riot in the streets. He also hasn't discouraged it when it's happened against him - in fact he seems to thrive on it.
If I heard the Westboro family was going to be in my area I would be concerned (this actually happened in my town - they were planning to protest a funeral for a service-member, until they found out about security measures the community had put in place & decided it wasn't worth their trip). If the Orlando guy wasn't dead and I heard he was going to be in my area (NOT the people in the club), I would be concerned. Likewise, if I heard Trump was going to be in my area, I would be concerned.
I have nothing against congregating or otherwise peacefully protesting (in fact I've done it, more than once), but when someone comes to my area who has a history of violent protests following him around, then yes I would be uneasy. That's all the o/p was saying, and that's all I was agreeing with. ETA: Correction - it was not the o/p that stated her uneasiness, it was lumo. My apologies. (but I still agree with her)
FTR: I'm neither rep nor dem so that has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion on mr trump
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Post by lumo on Jun 14, 2016 19:10:01 GMT
Have you forgotten all the incidents of violence and intimidation at Trump rallies that started way back last fall? Probably. thefederalist.com/2016/03/10/6-times-people-got-attacked-at-trump-rallies/These incidences and the rhetoric have lead to bigger violence - now with larger groups of protesters. Essentially everyone is losing their damn minds from fear and anger. I don't condone any of it; but I think anyone can tell where/how this all started. In terms you're likely to understand. It's like when members on this site blow their tops and go full-blown psycho and then claim it's because others like to "poke the puppy" and made them do it. Swear I've seen some people here claim that a time or two....... In the political scenario, the protestors are now going psycho after being poked relentlessly in word and deed by Trump and his supporters. Both are wrong, and I pray cooler heads prevail. Tensions are really high in our country right now. His rallies aren't known for being kum-ba-yah events. I hope cooler heads prevail.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 19:16:17 GMT
His egomaniacal narcissism can't be "spun." He doubled down when called on it on the Today show:
His speeches are so frustratingly superficial. "I'm the one that said what you should be doing."? What did he say you should be doing? Placing a moratorium on immigration from Muslim countries? That would have prevented this massacre how, exactly?
He's constantly talking about all of these plans he has - build a wall, stop immigration, bring back jobs - but he never says how he expects to implement them. He promised to outline his financial regulation plan at the beginning of June - we haven't seen it yet.
He said that his plan to replace ACA was going to be 'something terrific' but gave no details of what it was going to be other than some vague working out a 'really smart deal with hospitals'.
He wants to dismantle NAFTA, scrap TPP, and place a 35% tariff on American goods made in foreign countries (at least that's a concrete plan) but he doesn't seem to understand how that protectionism will negatively effect the US economy. He promises tariffs against the Chinese and claims that they won't retaliate by selling a good portion of their $4.6 billion US debt because. . . reasons?
He thinks Medicare should be able to negotiate directly with drug companies but doesn't explain how he gets around the fact that that is illegal.
Am I being unreasonable in wishing for something with a little more depth from him? We've got 4.5 months in the election, maybe I should just be patient?
I believe the only thing missing from his speeches are..."look into my eyes, look deep into my eyes". A lot of his language is classic NLP that a person selling you a bridge uses.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 14, 2016 19:32:00 GMT
Really? Should we say that the violence in Orlando wouldn't have happened if the gays weren't at that bar? Trump should limit where he goes so that crazies don't get violent? Do you really believe that? You'd never advocate any other group from congregating or attending a function because those who oppose them can't control themselves. Yet Trump should stop campaigning because some liberals choose violence? Trump's rants of hate and fear against Muslims is along the same type of rhetoric Hitler used against the Jews. Intelligent folks understand this and so they are showing their opposition to Trump's words by protesting. I guess we should be thankful thin skinned Trump can't have these protestors shot because they dare disagree with him. I suspect if he thought he could get away with it he would. Peaceful protesting is one thing. These people are getting physically violent and acting like a mob against pro-Trump people; causing physical injury to people whose ideology they disagree with. Big difference. Intelligent folks understand the difference.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 14, 2016 19:34:54 GMT
Really? Should we say that the violence in Orlando wouldn't have happened if the gays weren't at that bar? Trump should limit where he goes so that crazies don't get violent? Do you really believe that? You'd never advocate any other group from congregating or attending a function because those who oppose them can't control themselves. Yet Trump should stop campaigning because some liberals choose violence? I'm not saying that at all. Trump can go wherever he wants. He can campaign wherever he wants.
Trump was the first one to bring up riots and violence in regard to his campaign/election. He "predicted" it if he didn't win, basically asking for people to riot in the streets. He also hasn't discouraged it when it's happened against him - in fact he seems to thrive on it.
If I heard the Westboro family was going to be in my area I would be concerned (this actually happened in my town - they were planning to protest a funeral for a service-member, until they found out about security measures the community had put in place & decided it wasn't worth their trip). If the Orlando guy wasn't dead and I heard he was going to be in my area (NOT the people in the club), I would be concerned. Likewise, if I heard Trump was going to be in my area, I would be concerned.
I have nothing against congregating or otherwise peacefully protesting (in fact I've done it, more than once), but when someone comes to my area who has a history of violent protests following him around, then yes I would be uneasy. That's all the o/p was saying, and that's all I was agreeing with. ETA: Correction - it was not the o/p that stated her uneasiness, it was lumo . My apologies. (but I still agree with her)
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While Trump may not be actively discouraging those who are against him and choose to get violent, why should he? He is not responsible for their actions. The blame should be firmly fixed where it belongs...on the people conducting themselves like animals. In this case, it's those who are against Trump. Blaming Trump for the actions of those against him is like blaming the rape victim who wears suggestive clothing. Then again, if the concern is simply that there will *be* a threat of violence, I can understand that.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 14, 2016 19:36:00 GMT
Trump's rants of hate and fear against Muslims is along the same type of rhetoric Hitler used against the Jews. Intelligent folks understand this and so they are showing their opposition to Trump's words by protesting. I guess we should be thankful thin skinned Trump can't have these protestors shot because they dare disagree with him. I suspect if he thought he could get away with it he would. Peaceful protesting is one thing. These people are getting physically violent and acting like a mob against pro-Trump people. Big difference. Intelligent folks understand the difference. Which is exactly why folks who live in the areas in which he is scheduled to speak, are nervous.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jun 14, 2016 19:37:23 GMT
Peaceful protesting is one thing. These people are getting physically violent and acting like a mob against pro-Trump people. Big difference. Intelligent folks understand the difference. Which is exactly why folks who live in the areas in which he is scheduled to speak, are nervous. Got it. :-)
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 14, 2016 19:40:17 GMT
Which is exactly why folks who live in the areas in which he is scheduled to speak, are nervous. Got it. :-) Just to be clear, I don't condone rioting for any reason. I hope it didn't come across as if I did.
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Post by whopea on Jun 14, 2016 19:44:10 GMT
Trump's rants of hate and fear against Muslims is along the same type of rhetoric Hitler used against the Jews. Intelligent folks understand this and so they are showing their opposition to Trump's words by protesting. I guess we should be thankful thin skinned Trump can't have these protestors shot because they dare disagree with him. I suspect if he thought he could get away with it he would. Peaceful protesting is one thing. These people are getting physically violent and acting like a mob against pro-Trump people. Big difference. Intelligent folks understand the difference. Admittedly I'm not a history major, but I think there is a substantial difference between exterminating millions of lives for the simple fact of their religion vs. wanting to curb immigration of religious-based zealots. Do you not see that?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 19:52:17 GMT
Slovenia (home to Melania) are not Islamic countries supporting jihad. Both took steps to become legal US citizens. Slovenia has far more Muslims than you have in the US. 2.4% of the populations are Muslim as against 0.9% in the US. The fact that they are legal US citizens doesn't matter does it? They're still immigrants and in Melania's case she was born and brought up in the former communist Yugoslavia under the communist dictator Tito. It's common knowledge or at least I thought it was, that her father was a member of the communist party during Tito's time. Wonder what he thinks of his capitalist son in law!
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Post by cade387 on Jun 14, 2016 19:54:54 GMT
Peaceful protesting is one thing. These people are getting physically violent and acting like a mob against pro-Trump people. Big difference. Intelligent folks understand the difference. Admittedly I'm not a history major, but I think there is a substantial difference between exterminating millions of lives for the simple fact of their religion vs. wanting to curb immigration of religious-based zealots. Do you not see that? But you on the back side of history. You are Monday morning quarterbacking it. The point people are making is that is how it starts and those people didn't see it coming until it was too late.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 14, 2016 19:59:30 GMT
Peaceful protesting is one thing. These people are getting physically violent and acting like a mob against pro-Trump people. Big difference. Intelligent folks understand the difference. Admittedly I'm not a history major, but I think there is a substantial difference between exterminating millions of lives for the simple fact of their religion vs. wanting to curb immigration of religious-based zealots. Do you not see that? On any given day (just about) one of the history type channels has a show on WWII, and there are a number of them that talk about the rise of Hitler. One the surface of it, yes, there is a difference between the attempted extermination of a people and curbing immigration. But if you were to study the road on how Germany got to the point where they were killing people wholesale, the difference becomes a lot less clear. There is a lot of blah blah blah points, but it begins with a disenfranchised people who felt that they were being held down economically because of war reparation payments, losing their National identity. In turn, they listened to the loudest voices, the ones crying about how they could become a great nation again. Then the loud voices produce a scapegoat, the Jews who controlled the money, and subtly started a campaign where the Jews were the ones who were responsible for all the ill will. Send them away! Don't let them in! Curtail their rights! Over time, it became force them into living in their own neighborhood! Don't let them out! Jail the dissenters! Which then leads into the horror of the camps. So that is the very very simplistic view of how a country was led down a path that ended in the deaths of millions. We say never again, but those who read history see that there are some disturbing similarities. The verbiage is similar, the tactics are not new. A disenfranchised people who feel that they are being held back and are scared, a loud voice telling them that there is hope-hope in the path of exclusion. Keep them out! Send them away! This is where people are feeling that the slope is getting slippery.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 20:05:57 GMT
Peaceful protesting is one thing. These people are getting physically violent and acting like a mob against pro-Trump people. Big difference. Intelligent folks understand the difference. Admittedly I'm not a history major, but I think there is a substantial difference between exterminating millions of lives for the simple fact of their religion vs. wanting to curb immigration of religious-based zealots. Do you not see that? I sure hope Trump has a plan to deal with the immigration of Christian religious-based zealots. And Jewish religious-based zealots. I also hope he has a plan to deal with all the religious based zealots (of any religion) that are American citizens.
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Post by flute4peace on Jun 14, 2016 20:06:15 GMT
Admittedly I'm not a history major, but I think there is a substantial difference between exterminating millions of lives for the simple fact of their religion vs. wanting to curb immigration of religious-based zealots. Do you not see that? On any given day (just about) one of the history type channels has a show on WWII, and there are a number of them that talk about the rise of Hitler. One the surface of it, yes, there is a difference between the attempted extermination of a people and curbing immigration. But if you were to study the road on how Germany got to the point where they were killing people wholesale, the difference becomes a lot less clear. There is a lot of blah blah blah points, but it begins with a disenfranchised people who felt that they were being held down economically because of war reparation payments, losing their National identity. In turn, they listened to the loudest voices, the ones crying about how they could become a great nation again. Then the loud voices produce a scapegoat, the Jews who controlled the money, and subtly started a campaign where the Jews were the ones who were responsible for all the ill will. Send them away! Don't let them in! Curtail their rights! Over time, it became force them into living in their own neighborhood! Don't let them out! Jail the dissenters! Which then leads into the horror of the camps. So that is the very very simplistic view of how a country was led down a path that ended in the deaths of millions. We say never again, but those who read history see that there are some disturbing similarities. The verbiage is similar, the tactics are not new. A disenfranchised people who feel that they are being held back and are scared, a loud voice telling them that there is hope-hope in the path of exclusion. Keep them out! Send them away! This is where people are feeling that the slope is getting slippery. This is enlightening, thank you for breaking it down. I now have goosebumps.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 20:12:10 GMT
Trump's rants of hate and fear against Muslims is along the same type of rhetoric Hitler used against the Jews. Intelligent folks understand this and so they are showing their opposition to Trump's words by protesting. I guess we should be thankful thin skinned Trump can't have these protestors shot because they dare disagree with him. I suspect if he thought he could get away with it he would. Peaceful protesting is one thing. These people are getting physically violent and acting like a mob against pro-Trump people; causing physical injury to people whose ideology they disagree with. Big difference. Intelligent folks understand the difference. While not excusing the violence at the protests emotions can run high in decent people who understand what Trump is flapping his gums about. The world Trump is proposing is a dangerous ,fearful ,hateful world and intelligent folks understand that. Too bad some of those who choose to vote for Trump as a vote against Hillary don't understand that. I see the President, presumptive presidential nominee for president, and the Speaker of the House ,who is a member of Trump's party, slammed Trump for his latest words. One would expect that from members of the other party but not from the highest ranking member of your own party. I wonder if that is a first.
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Post by miyooper2b on Jun 14, 2016 20:13:57 GMT
Admittedly I'm not a history major, but I think there is a substantial difference between exterminating millions of lives for the simple fact of their religion vs. wanting to curb immigration of religious-based zealots. Do you not see that? On any given day (just about) one of the history type channels has a show on WWII, and there are a number of them that talk about the rise of Hitler. One the surface of it, yes, there is a difference between the attempted extermination of a people and curbing immigration. But if you were to study the road on how Germany got to the point where they were killing people wholesale, the difference becomes a lot less clear. There is a lot of blah blah blah points, but it begins with a disenfranchised people who felt that they were being held down economically because of war reparation payments, losing their National identity. In turn, they listened to the loudest voices, the ones crying about how they could become a great nation again. Then the loud voices produce a scapegoat, the Jews who controlled the money, and subtly started a campaign where the Jews were the ones who were responsible for all the ill will. Send them away! Don't let them in! Curtail their rights! Over time, it became force them into living in their own neighborhood! Don't let them out! Jail the dissenters! Which then leads into the horror of the camps. So that is the very very simplistic view of how a country was led down a path that ended in the deaths of millions. We say never again, but those who read history see that there are some disturbing similarities. The verbiage is similar, the tactics are not new. A disenfranchised people who feel that they are being held back and are scared, a loud voice telling them that there is hope-hope in the path of exclusion. Keep them out! Send them away! This is where people are feeling that the slope is getting slippery. I wish I could like your post 1000 times! This is exactly where I feel our country would be headed if Trump makes it into office.
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Post by blondiec47 on Jun 14, 2016 20:19:54 GMT
He proves time and again what a thin-skinned, small-minded egomaniac he is and yet he still enjoys wide support. water seeks its own level. wow the more things change the more they stay the same. People said and continue to say the exact same things about Obama. It's all political crap, the media shares what will align with their values and will make them the most money. Who people vote for is their business and no matter who you vote for, that does not make you stupid, ignorant racist etc. I am sick of reading this bullshit that I have been coming here less and less and each time it gets worse. So all you on the left enjoy bitching how horrible everyone who isn't Hillary is. This board used to be very informative and even changed my opinion from time to time, but those on the left call those on the right stupid, racist and then those on the right respond with "I know you are but what am I". No matter who wins the election I can guarantee we will still be here in four years.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jun 14, 2016 20:26:05 GMT
He's a pig, pure and simple and all the way through. He's going to put this country to ruins in quick fashion.
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Post by refugeepea on Jun 14, 2016 20:26:35 GMT
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 14, 2016 20:26:51 GMT
whopea the shooter in Orlando was born in the US. I have not seen that his father was a supporter of the Taliban. Do you have sources for that? That said, as someone else said, Trump married someone who is a direct immigrant of a father with communist ties who lived a country with a higher percentage of Muslims than the US. Under Trumps own designation, seems that she should not be let in the country.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 14, 2016 20:39:13 GMT
Peaceful protesting is one thing. These people are getting physically violent and acting like a mob against pro-Trump people. Big difference. Intelligent folks understand the difference. Admittedly I'm not a history major, but I think there is a substantial difference between exterminating millions of lives for the simple fact of their religion vs. wanting to curb immigration of religious-based zealots. Do you not see that? No I don't. Hitler blamed a race of people for all of Germany's problems... So does Trump. Hitler used hate to rally the poorest people to support him... so does Trump. Replace concentration camps with prison and all of the sudden you start to see a lot more commonalities. When Hitler was rising in popularity and power, people did not take him seriously.. he was a national joke. Has Donald Trump suggested a "final solution" Not that I have knowledge of.. but it appears to be coming.
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