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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 14, 2016 22:22:38 GMT
"Trump encourages the crowd to vent its fury at the protesters. "See, in the good old days this didn't use to happen, because they used to treat them very rough," he said. "We've become very weak." At least one supporter felt the same way: Videos shot at the event showed a man punching a protester as he was removed. The puncher has been charged with assault. [The Atlantic, 3/10/16]" www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/donald-trump-fayetteville/473169/My recollection is that the protesters were not violent, either. They were using words or signs to express their opinions of what Trump was saying and what he stands for. Trump was the one calling for Violence and using aggression to incite more violence and hate.
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 14, 2016 22:27:52 GMT
I had Fox News on on Sunday. Not a channel I normally watch. Why are they having such a fit because Pres. Obama won't call them "radical Islamic terrorists". Over and over they were saying it, so it would appear that they think he should. Why? Because it's FOX news and that is what they do.
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Post by mellyw on Jun 14, 2016 22:29:46 GMT
I had Fox News on on Sunday. Not a channel I normally watch. Why are they having such a fit because Pres. Obama won't call them "radical Islamic terrorists". Over and over they were saying it, so it would appear that they think he should. Why? Because there is a faction in this country who still believe the President is a Muslim from Kenya. If not that, then he is sympathetic towards the Muslim "cause". Look at the Trump quotes Sarah posted in her OP. So they want him to say it because the think it will somehow hurt him to talk bad about what he secretly is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 22:31:21 GMT
I had Fox News on on Sunday. Not a channel I normally watch. Why are they having such a fit because Pres. Obama won't call them "radical Islamic terrorists". Over and over they were saying it, so it would appear that they think he should. Why? $$$ I don't watch Fox or any other cable news-no cable. But, given the latest info. on the shooter's life, I appreciate that the President isn't willing to try and make an overly simplistic categorization of "what" this was. FFS, it's been not much over 48 hours. There's still a lot of investigating to be done. And honestly, in the end, what difference does a neat, tidy label make? It was a horrible, hate-fueled crime. Just like Oklahoma City, Columbine, 9/11, Virginia Tech, San Bernandino, Sandy Hook, Charleston, and so many others. The media is a huge part of what's wrong in this country. But they're not going to stop as long as we're all tuning in to the sensationalizing and hate-mongering from any side. Pundits suck.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jun 14, 2016 22:32:29 GMT
Slovenia (home to Melania) are not Islamic countries supporting jihad. Both took steps to become legal US citizens. Slovenia has far more Muslims than you have in the US. 2.4% of the populations are Muslim as against 0.9% in the US. The fact that they are legal US citizens doesn't matter does it? They're still immigrants and in Melania's case she was born and brought up in the former communist Yugoslavia under the communist dictator Tito. It's common knowledge or at least I thought it was, that her father was a member of the communist party during Tito's time. Wonder what he thinks of his capitalist son in law! Yeah...when I read the post you're quoting, I thought about how we generally view those who emigrated from communist countries v. Muslim countries. The former are viewed as escaping...as seeking refuge...and are welcomed. The latter are often viewed as zealots who seek to destroy us. In either case, their countries' governments often supported tyranny. When do we blame their citizens and when do we not blame them?
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jun 14, 2016 22:37:27 GMT
Admittedly I'm not a history major, but I think there is a substantial difference between exterminating millions of lives for the simple fact of their religion vs. wanting to curb immigration of religious-based zealots. Do you not see that? Depends on what time in history you're considering. More than once, Trump has reminded me of Hitler in Munich in the 1920s - playing on people's fears and frustrations.
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Post by whopea on Jun 14, 2016 23:05:02 GMT
This is a pull quote from a Washington Post article: I think that some are mistaking what Trump said. He wanted to ban immigration from predominantly Muslim countries that have terrorist ties or have threatened the US or our allies. I'm not a math major either, but 2.4% does not constitute a majority and I don't think Slovenia fits the terrorist ties angle. Countries that do fit that description might include: Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan. I have a question on this. Did Trump say to stop the immigration from these countries completely and that is the end of the story.... or did he say stop immigration from these countries and look at the process to make sure we are doing everything we can to stop terrorists from entering?? To me, there is a huge difference in the two statements. He said:
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Post by imkat on Jun 15, 2016 0:31:37 GMT
His humblebrag (thanks for the congrats, I don't want congrats) and lies (he was from Afghanistan) make me sick.
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Post by Mystie on Jun 15, 2016 1:07:07 GMT
Slovenia has far more Muslims than you have in the US. 2.4% of the populations are Muslim as against 0.9% in the US. The fact that they are legal US citizens doesn't matter does it? They're still immigrants and in Melania's case she was born and brought up in the former communist Yugoslavia under the communist dictator Tito. It's common knowledge or at least I thought it was, that her father was a member of the communist party during Tito's time. Wonder what he thinks of his capitalist son in law! Yeah...when I read the post you're quoting, I thought about how we generally view those who emigrated from communist countries v. Muslim countries. The former are viewed as escaping...as seeking refuge...and are welcomed. The latter are often viewed as zealots who seek to destroy us. In either case, their countries' governments often supported tyranny. When do we blame their citizens and when do we not blame them? I suspect skin pigmentation may be part of the answer. Save
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 15, 2016 1:39:25 GMT
Im about to give up on thinking that rational, intelligent, clear heads will prevail and help out country continue on a positive path to freedom for all.
I'm watching msnbc right now and they just reported that a recent poll indicates that while Clinton is leading in the general polls, but that when asked specific questions about who they felt better equipped to handle terrorist attacks like the one that just happened, more people said Trump. Smh.
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Post by txdancermom on Jun 15, 2016 1:39:28 GMT
Trump scares me and so does the idea that there is a chance he might be our president. imho to be president, that person should be someone that can be respected, but how can you respect someone who spews hatred every time he opens his month, has nasty names for everyone who says something he doesn't like, and everything is about him.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 15, 2016 1:43:33 GMT
And then they had videos of pastors talking about the Orlando shootings (praising them and saying they should have all been killed). Ugh. Is it just me, or are we seeing more open hate towards others in all situations these days? I personally think that Trump and his hate speech have opened the doors for all to say what they think, and to release their darkest thoughts because they see that it has no consequences for him.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 15, 2016 2:20:51 GMT
whopea the shooter in Orlando was born in the US. I have not seen that his father was a supporter of the Taliban. Do you have sources for that? That said, as someone else said, Trump married someone who is a direct immigrant of a father with communist ties who lived a country with a higher percentage of Muslims than the US. Under Trumps own designation, seems that she should not be let in the country. This is a pull quote from a Washington Post article: I think that some are mistaking what Trump said. He wanted to ban immigration from predominantly Muslim countries that have terrorist ties or have threatened the US or our allies. I'm not a math major either, but 2.4% does not constitute a majority and I don't think Slovenia fits the terrorist ties angle. Countries that do fit that description might include: Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan. It's also interesting that Donald trump is the son of immigrants. I would be interested to know what year the father was a supporter of the Taliban.
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Post by Nink on Jun 15, 2016 3:21:01 GMT
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Post by Darcy Collins on Jun 15, 2016 3:30:53 GMT
This is a pull quote from a Washington Post article: I think that some are mistaking what Trump said. He wanted to ban immigration from predominantly Muslim countries that have terrorist ties or have threatened the US or our allies. I'm not a math major either, but 2.4% does not constitute a majority and I don't think Slovenia fits the terrorist ties angle. Countries that do fit that description might include: Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan. It's also interesting that Donald trump is the son of immigrants. I would be interested to know what year the father was a supporter of the Taliban. FYI he's the grandson of immigrants. If you spend some time on the Mateen senior's facebook and youtube accounts you'll see he's a total wackadoodle - no matter where he was born.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jun 15, 2016 3:38:41 GMT
It's also interesting that Donald trump is the son of immigrants. I would be interested to know what year the father was a supporter of the Taliban. FYI he's the grandson of immigrants. If you spend some time on the Mateen senior's facebook and youtube accounts you'll see he's a total wackadoodle - no matter where he was born. What I have found is that his mother was an immigrant from Scotland. She and his father met when she was on vacation in NY. On his fathers side, he would have been the second generation of immigrants.
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Jun 15, 2016 3:49:08 GMT
Depends. What day is it? Wait a week/month/year and then you'll likely have another answer.
And to answer the original question asked of the OP, I avoid Trump every chance I get. I don't like the feeling when my skin crawls.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 15, 2016 17:40:10 GMT
There seems to be a presumption that any violence at a Trump campaign event is down to those who are there to protest trump.
Here is an eyewitness account of what is happening in Atlanta today..
Someone here decided that a section of people who were sitting quietly were trouble. Police surrounded them. Opened a side door of The Fox on the upper level. And in a blink, Trump supporters surrounded the area, held their signs high and cheered as the cops and secret service escorted the people who had been sitting quietly out." In some cases, they pushed them out. The crowd booed, laughed, chanted "losers!" More are being taken out as i write this. And while loud rock music blares, people are appearing instantly to fill those seats and wave their Trump signs. #trumpatlanta #trump
Five protesters stand up to chant a response to Trump. They are surrounded by supporters before they get three words out. Supporters hold signs to block their faces and chant "Trump!" to cover their words. Others threw cups, popcorn and other items at the protesters. APD officers, Secret Service, Fox Security, and a lot of other uniformed people run towards them. They were escorted out the side door while Trump spoke at them. When the door closed behind them people cheered.
She also posted this....
"This place is PACKED! Look at them up there. And there are people outside waiting to get in." quote by DT along with a photo showing hundreds of empty seats.
The violence at his rally's is perpetuated by his lies, and his narcissism.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 5:19:52 GMT
This is a pull quote from a Washington Post article: I think that some are mistaking what Trump said. He wanted to ban immigration from predominantly Muslim countries that have terrorist ties or have threatened the US or our allies. I'm not a math major either, but 2.4% does not constitute a majority and I don't think Slovenia fits the terrorist ties angle. Countries that do fit that description might include: Sudan, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan. I have a question on this. Did Trump say to stop the immigration from these countries completely and that is the end of the story.... or did he say stop immigration from these countries and look at the process to make sure we are doing everything we can to stop terrorists from entering?? To me, there is a huge difference in the two statements. There IS a huge difference and he said the bolded NOT what people are claiming. To compare him to Hitler is a huge stretch and just as asinine now as it was when people were doing that to Obama. The only way it works is to spin his words to mean something he IS NOT saying. He's not who should be President, but come ON!
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