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Post by librarylady on Jun 18, 2016 19:04:44 GMT
I credit my sister with this observation: Remember our school permanent record? The facts being revealed about the Orlando shooter show that those reports DO stay on your permanent record! (News is telling the things that the shooter was disciplined for in elem. school.)
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Post by cajeanne on Jun 18, 2016 19:06:50 GMT
Sorry but I don't find anything in the news about the Orlando terrorist to be remotely funny.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2016 19:24:10 GMT
Sorry but I don't find anything in the news about the Orlando terrorist to be remotely funny. She wasn't laughing about the things the terrorist did. She was laughing about the "permanent record" we all scoffed at as kids, really does exist.
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Post by librarylady on Jun 18, 2016 19:31:25 GMT
Sorry but I don't find anything in the news about the Orlando terrorist to be remotely funny. She wasn't laughing about the things the terrorist did. She was laughing about the "permanent record" we all scoffed at as kids, really does exist. Yes, Gia LuPeaA, that was what the laugh was about. I'm sorry cajeanne didn't get the smile.
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Post by quiltz on Jun 18, 2016 19:36:35 GMT
I have an official copy of my High school record, (grades & compleion) stamp sealed & official signature. I require this document as proof of graduation & to apply to either university or college, at the ripe old age of being over 50 years old.
I believe that a person's permanent record, especially the comments from teachers who taught the student in school would provide a background of this person's background. Use all of the information & tools that are available to help to define why the person did what they did. I live in Canada.
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Post by cajeanne on Jun 18, 2016 19:50:11 GMT
She wasn't laughing about the things the terrorist did. She was laughing about the "permanent record" we all scoffed at as kids, really does exist. Yes, Gia LuPeaA, that was what the laugh was about. I'm sorry cajeanne didn't get the smile. I saw the smile. And though you weren't laughing at what the guy did, I still find it too soon to make references about him in a post that is light-hearted. That's just me. Sorry I commented.
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Post by mimima on Jun 18, 2016 19:52:49 GMT
I now have a Violent Femmes song in my head
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Post by secondlife on Jun 18, 2016 20:25:55 GMT
On the one hand, I'm glad it could provide some insight for law enforcement.
On the other hand, I am so grateful that what my third grade teacher had to say about me ended up having no bearing at all on my life. My third grade teacher thought I was an awful child and acted like I would never amount to anything. Forget you, third grade teacher. I'm a productive adult with a master's degree and a good job and a happy family, well liked by my employer and my friends. I could tell you some of the things I was disciplined for too. Thankfully none of it matters now.
So I am hesitant to put too much on the elementary school record of even a mass murderer.
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Post by Ryann on Jun 18, 2016 21:12:03 GMT
Yeah, I also wouldn't put too much stock into what is said on old school school records. I acted horribly as a child (all the way through 9th grade, in fact). All of my academic grades were As & Bs, but my behavior grades were always Ds & Fs - always. I did not grow up to be an adult with the type of behavior that would get Ds & Fs. Some kids grow out of being "bad" once they grow up. I am pretty much the opposite of what I was as a child - I'm quiet, shy and very much an introvert as an adult. SaveSaveSaveSave
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Post by Jili on Jun 18, 2016 22:21:32 GMT
I now have a Violent Femmes song in my head Same. It came to me instantly. "I hope you know that this will go down on your permanent record"
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Post by cmhs on Jun 18, 2016 22:35:53 GMT
I work in a school and was surprised to find out that schools are required to keep your permanent records for 100 years!
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Post by cadoodlebug on Jun 18, 2016 22:49:54 GMT
I work in a school and was surprised to find out that schools are required to keep your permanent records for 100 years! When I was in K, 1st and 2nd I went to a very small school (1 class of each grade) in a small town in PA. They tore the school down in the late 50's. I daresay one would be hard pressed to find my records. But, if they do, they only have to keep them for 40 more years.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jun 18, 2016 22:50:07 GMT
I work in a school and was surprised to find out that schools are required to keep your permanent records for 100 years! Not any district I've ever worked for.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jun 18, 2016 22:53:03 GMT
My ex-husband threatened me with that during our divorce. He made a comment during an argument that my "behavior would go down on my permanent record." Seriously? Dude... you're going to have to threaten me with better than that. I burst out laughing and he left the room in a huff.
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Post by Rachel on Jun 18, 2016 22:53:25 GMT
I work in a school and was surprised to find out that schools are required to keep your permanent records for 100 years! I work in a school too and I'm surprised anyone has access to the records. Once I put a student's records into the archives... And that means the file cabinets in the rodent infested storage area.. Nothing is getting me back out there to retrieve it. As for computer records, they come and go also. Sure, somebody in the county office probably has access to the old programs we used to use, but we sure don't. If somebody calls me looking for info on a student that has been gone more than two years, chances are they aren't getting it.
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Post by my3freaks on Jun 18, 2016 22:54:15 GMT
Thinking of a students "permanent record" makes me think of Veronica Mars!
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 18, 2016 22:59:40 GMT
When my dad died I found all of my old report cards that he had saved. I was always a good student but on almost every report card, where the teacher comments, it said "She's a lot of fun to have in class but should learn not to talk so much". Story of my life, ha.
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Post by Citygirl on Jun 19, 2016 0:18:24 GMT
Omg.....same here, terrible comments and I'm a productive responsible adult now. My high school report cards are the best "bad attitude, sleepy, socializes to much" haha ha........you mean I was a teenager?!!
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Post by M in Carolina on Jun 19, 2016 0:24:54 GMT
Isn't a lot of minor offences sealed and later expunged? I've seen on TV shows where sometimes the police can unseal the records, but for the news to get them wouldn't they have to be leaked? So the school records wouldn't really give that much info if they didn't note that the person got arrested and charged with certain crimes.
What about if you went to private school? They definitely have much higher student conduct standards!
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Post by lisacharlotte on Jun 19, 2016 0:29:17 GMT
Me and my son both had the, "bright student, doesn't work to potential".
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Post by peasapie on Jun 19, 2016 0:30:41 GMT
My ex-husband threatened me with that during our divorce. He made a comment during an argument that my "behavior would go down on my permanent record." Seriously? Dude... you're going to have to threaten me with better than that. I burst out laughing and he left the room in a huff. Wow. You left that guy at the right time, just as the insanity was kicking in...
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Post by Really Red on Jun 19, 2016 0:32:21 GMT
While I definitely think people can change, I rather doubt any of you had what this guy had on his permanent record. It was awful. I think he was suspended something like 31 times in middle school. Can you imagine?
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Post by femalebusiness on Jun 19, 2016 1:01:42 GMT
My ex-husband threatened me with that during our divorce. He made a comment during an argument that my "behavior would go down on my permanent record." Seriously? Dude... you're going to have to threaten me with better than that. I burst out laughing and he left the room in a huff. Oh man, they hate it when you laugh. You are supposed to be crushed. You go girl!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 1:16:41 GMT
Yes, Gia LuPeaA, that was what the laugh was about. I'm sorry cajeanne didn't get the smile. I saw the smile. And though you weren't laughing at what the guy did, I still find it too soon to make references about him in a post that is light-hearted. That's just me. Sorry I commented. Don't be sorry, you feel how you feel. I was just commenting on what I saw.
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Post by papersilly on Jun 19, 2016 4:39:28 GMT
I wonder if my permanent record is in a dusty room somewhere or scanned and stored digitally
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 4:58:50 GMT
Isn't a lot of minor offences sealed and later expunged? I've seen on TV shows where sometimes the police can unseal the records, but for the news to get them wouldn't they have to be leaked? So the school records wouldn't really give that much info if they didn't note that the person got arrested and charged with certain crimes. What about if you went to private school? They definitely have much higher student conduct standards! School records are never sealed. They are covered by "FERPA" (Federal Education Rights and Privacy Act" Ferpa covers who has the right to see school records (public or private). How long different types of records are kept is a state law issue. Some keep all records forever. Other school only keep grades or report cards forever. Some types of disciplinary records may stay permanently so a suspension record may be permanent but being sent to the principal's office for an infraction may not be in your permanent record. Law enforcement would have a right to request school records. Once the records are in the hands of the police FERPA no longer covers them if they are part of evidence. If a school staffer leaked them they should be in trouble. eta: the sealed/expunge would apply to court records not school records.
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Post by katybee on Jun 19, 2016 5:13:58 GMT
I work in a school and was surprised to find out that schools are required to keep your permanent records for 100 years! Not any district I've ever worked for. I don't know how long we have to keep "cumulative folders" for, but I know we have to keep them for a good while. They have grades, attendance records, disciplinary reports, etc. They get passed on with the child...to middle school, and then high school. If a child moves to a new district, we send it to that district, and we get them when a kid is new to ours. But it it we ever have an instance where a kid just leaves...doesn't withdraw, doesn't have a new district request records, etc, then we have to keep those folders. Like I said--I don't know how long for, but we have several file cabinets FULL of these records in the closet across from my classroom. Some from when the school opened 27 years ago. (Different question-- how do those kids enroll in another district without said records? IDK). When I started teaching at my current district 8 years ago, I had to request my high school transcripts. And they were not computerized. They were a photocopy of handwritten transcripts. I got them from my actual high school. So they had them for 15+ years. Another thing-- in this age of computers, you'd think we'd keep ALL records digitally. And we do with most. But we still have to print them out at the end of every year and add them to the cum folder. And God help you if you lose a cum folder. Also--I want to know how the press knew all that info. Did the police release it?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 5:30:36 GMT
Not any district I've ever worked for. I don't know how long we have to keep "cumulative folders" for, but I know we have to keep them for a good while. They have grades, attendance records, disciplinary reports, etc. They get passed on with the child...to middle school, and then high school. If a child moves to a new district, we send it to that district, and we get them when a kid is new to ours. But it it we ever have an instance where a kid just leaves...doesn't withdraw, doesn't have a new district request records, etc, then we have to keep those folders. Like I said--I don't know how long for, but we have several file cabinets FULL of these records in the closet across from my classroom. Some from when the school opened 27 years ago. ( Different question-- how do those kids enroll in another district without said records? IDK). When I started teaching at my current district 8 years ago, I had to request my high school transcripts. And they were not computerized. They were a photocopy of handwritten transcripts. I got them from my actual high school. So they had them for 15+ years. Another thing-- in this age of computers, you'd think we'd keep ALL records digitally. And we do with most. But we still have to print them out at the end of every year and add them to the cum folder. And God help you if you lose a cum folder. Also--I want to know how the press knew all that info. Did the police release it? Simple, enroll the child. The school may require placement testing if the child is borderline in age as to which grade he should go in. But otherwise a child cannot be denied a public education.
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Post by gryroagain on Jun 19, 2016 6:07:45 GMT
If I ever go on a murdering spree, the press will have lots of fun with all the predictive elementary school records! I got suspended in kindy and this was the freewheeling 70s when school was fun still. My mom had to come sit with me at afternoon kindergarten, causing her to miss General Hospital- do you know how much trouble I got in?! I was a seriously naughty kid. Then unsocial later in elementary school, couldn't relate to peers is the language used. But no, I am not a sociopath or a criminal now in adulthood. I did eventually learn social norms and restrain my lawlessness. Somewhat, anyway, lol.
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Post by M in Carolina on Jun 19, 2016 6:43:59 GMT
Isn't a lot of minor offences sealed and later expunged? I've seen on TV shows where sometimes the police can unseal the records, but for the news to get them wouldn't they have to be leaked? So the school records wouldn't really give that much info if they didn't note that the person got arrested and charged with certain crimes. What about if you went to private school? They definitely have much higher student conduct standards! School records are never sealed. They are covered by "FERPA" (Federal Education Rights and Privacy Act" Ferpa covers who has the right to see school records (public or private). How long different types of records are kept is a state law issue. Some keep all records forever. Other school only keep grades or report cards forever. Some types of disciplinary records may stay permanently so a suspension record may be permanent but being sent to the principal's office for an infraction may not be in your permanent record. Law enforcement would have a right to request school records. Once the records are in the hands of the police FERPA no longer covers them if they are part of evidence. If a school staffer leaked them they should be in trouble. eta: the sealed/expunge would apply to court records not school records. So how did the press get them THIS quickly? Maybe a former teacher? It didn't take long for news outlets to post articles about other WDW guests who saw gators and one who had taken photos of a gator on that same beach... I really didn't think that a school report would say that much--31 suspensions in middle school? I went to private school... we had bad kids, but even the ones who thought they were the most badass weren't even in the major leagues... nobody would ever be allowed to be that big of a headache. We were scared to spit.
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