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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 5:32:51 GMT
I misheard that and thought he said Melania and Ivanka, meaning their speeches. That's what I heard. Oh that could be. It waseems after he mentioned all his children (including Tiffany) so I thought he was giving parenting props. My interpretation may have been different than his intention. Or, he was dissing or forgot Marla. (For what it's worth DH has been married 3 times and we rarely mention it instead just referring to both as his "ex wife.")
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 22, 2016 10:44:36 GMT
Trump did well using the TelePrompTer, and he delivered his speech with skill. I heard a LOT of promises of things he's going to fix - fast - but nothing that said how. And I agree that he focuses so much on what he thinks is wrong with the US, making it sound like this country is in a horrible state in just about every way - and not everyone agrees with that. I agree...and am one who doesn't agree. To me, the whole convention has been about doom and gloom and how bad things are and while Mr. Trump's speech was fairly well done, I felt like it was pretty darn negative. The lens in which I view my world is much more positive than what I have heard over the last couple of days.
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Post by amom23 on Jul 22, 2016 11:39:24 GMT
My take away was that our country is so dark and gloomy and very negative, but don't worry 'cause Trump is your guy! He's going to do all this stuff while implementing the biggest tax cut EVER! I call bullshit as that will 'cause the biggest national debt load EVER.
I understand the frustration people have with our government, but the presidency is not what I'd consider a learn as you go type of job. Donald Trump is so over his head on this one. It's truly scary what would happen to our country should he be in the oval office.
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Post by jayfab on Jul 22, 2016 11:51:23 GMT
OMG, what a depressing week. I refuse to believe our great country is one big gigantic hell hole.
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Jul 22, 2016 12:08:25 GMT
I know we shun scrapbooking related news here at the NSRB, but former published scrapbooker, and product line designer, Michelle Van Etten was a speaker tonight at the RNC. www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/18/cleveland-rnc-star-sells-pills-that-make-alex-jones-crazed.html"While the convention did not indicate what Van Etten’s business involves, her Facebook profile, where she posted excitedly about her convention speaking slot—“I am speaking at 8:49 Wednesday night,” she writes—indicates that she works at a company called Youngevity. The Youngevity website lists her biography under the title Senior Vice Chairman Marketing Director, as do her Facebook and LinkedIn pages. Youngevity is a multi-level marketing system focusing on selling nutritional supplements and other products. Multi-level marketing is a sales system in which a salesperson earns money on the sales of each subsequent salesperson he or she recruits." Oh dear. Why do you say "Oh dear."? Because she is a VERY successful consultant for a network marketing company? I happen to be part of the same company. I have met Michelle and I have heard her speak. I have also read her story that was done for part of a book for our company. I am so tired of the bashing of direct sales/network marketing. Yes, many get in and don't make it to the top. But many do (look at our own Steph). No need to bash these women (and men). I was very proud of her and excited to hear her speak. Save
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 12:10:10 GMT
Trump did well using the TelePrompTer, and he delivered his speech with skill. I heard a LOT of promises of things he's going to fix - fast - but nothing that said how. And I agree that he focuses so much on what he thinks is wrong with the US, making it sound like this country is in a horrible state in just about every way - and not everyone agrees with that. I completely agree. I think he should reframe his message as "KEEP America great." Because what really resonates with me is the points he makes about what voting for Hilary and a "third Obama term" would mean for our country in the immediate and distant future. I don't think the country is completely doomed but we are not going in a good direction, and if we are going to change we need a new approach. That's his strength, that's what makes me think I could possibly pull the lever for Trump in November despite plenty of obvious concerns. SaveSave
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Post by Merge on Jul 22, 2016 12:29:49 GMT
A couple of things I noticed - he talked about how crime is up, and immediately segued into how there are thousands of illegals roaming the country, and cited an anecdote about an illegal immigrant committing a crime, making it seem as if illegal immigrants are the main source of crime (which is demonstrably untrue by any measure). I haven't had time to check all his stats yet, and I'm hoping some unbiased news source will do it for me. Yes to the doom and gloom. My goodness. You'd never know that the vast majority of Americans are just living their lives, doing their jobs and getting by, and even having a little fun. You would think, listening to that speech, that we're all cowering in our homes in fear and poverty. Which is also not true. And yes, I noticed how he said he was going to lay out his plan, and then proceeded to lay out no plan. Just starting in 2017, things are going to be different, and better, they're going to be the best, and I am the ONLY ONE who can make that happen. If you didn't think he was a megalomaniac before ... Finally, the whole notion of American exceptionalism that has been popular among some conservatives for years, and which seems to be reaching new levels with this candidate and his "America First," and "We're going to be the BEST," rubs me the wrong way. It smacks too much of the German concept of Sonderweg, or special path, that was used during the rise of the Nazi regime to mean that Germany occupied a unique and exceptional place in Europe and was better than everyone else, and thus entitled to control everyone else. Of note: Hitler also exploited the fears and insecurities of Germans in a changing world and convinced them that he alone could save them. I know people get frustrated when others start mentioning Hitler, and no, I don't think Trump is Hitler. I do, however, think some of the parallels between the two are worrisome. ETA: NBC's fact-checking Seems he may not entirely have "honor[ed] the American people with the truth and nothing else." Here's a more thorough analysis by NPR
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Jul 22, 2016 14:30:53 GMT
I agree his speech was doom snd gloom but he really didn't change his mo since last June when he started this journey so he is appealing to a group that obviously feels the same!
I believe CNN said a poll said that 67% felt the same as Trump.
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Post by Merge on Jul 22, 2016 14:32:05 GMT
I agree his speech was doom snd gloom but he really didn't change his mo since last June when he started this journey so he is appealing to a group that obviously feels the same! I believe CNN said a poll said that 67% felt the same as Trump. 67% of whom? Feel the same as him about what, exactly?
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Post by agengr2004 on Jul 22, 2016 14:40:47 GMT
How I felt through his whole speech.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Jul 22, 2016 14:42:44 GMT
I agree his speech was doom snd gloom but he really didn't change his mo since last June when he started this journey so he is appealing to a group that obviously feels the same! I believe CNN said a poll said that 67% felt the same as Trump. 67% of whom? Feel the same as him about what, exactly? Sorry I just remember that was said by a member of the group that was discussing the speech with AC. I was surprised by that #. It was late. Should have wrote it down. Even without knowing those facts like I said obviously there seems to be others that believe his d and g analysis. I think it's sad and it might work for his supporters but not sure how he's going to convince non supporters or undecided voters to believe his "sky is falling" mo. ETA they felt the same as DT in the state of America
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Post by ashwyness on Jul 22, 2016 15:14:38 GMT
I felt like I was being screamed at for an hour and 15 minutes about how terrible the united states is. I hated his "law and order will be restored, believe me" statement that he made several times because he makes it sound like the day after he would be inaugurated, he would put martial law into place.
This man is surely not a conservative. I think the GOP party has died.
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Post by lindas on Jul 22, 2016 15:17:33 GMT
Unfortunately sunshine and roses doesn't energize people to vote, gloom and doom does and all politicians use it in one form or another. From the one running for small town mayor right up to the presidency they're all going to tell us what's wrong and they are the one to fix it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 15:44:10 GMT
I loved this quote that I saw on social media and from what I saw on the "lowlight" reel, it rang pretty true.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Jul 22, 2016 16:15:36 GMT
Unfortunately sunshine and roses doesn't energize people to vote, gloom and doom does and all politicians use it in one form or another. From the one running for small town mayor right up to the presidency they're all going to tell us what's wrong and they are the one to fix it. According to the presidential historians I've seen weighing in over the last few days, nobody who has ever run on the "America is horrible" platform has ever won.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Jul 22, 2016 16:48:23 GMT
Unfortunately sunshine and roses doesn't energize people to vote, gloom and doom does and all politicians use it in one form or another. From the one running for small town mayor right up to the presidency they're all going to tell us what's wrong and they are the one to fix it. According to the presidential historians I've seen weighing in over the last few days, nobody who has ever run on the "America is horrible" platform has ever won. I thought I heard a few on CNN say FDR had some doom and gloom in his speech.
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Post by happymom on Jul 22, 2016 17:04:54 GMT
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/18/cleveland-rnc-star-sells-pills-that-make-alex-jones-crazed.html"While the convention did not indicate what Van Etten’s business involves, her Facebook profile, where she posted excitedly about her convention speaking slot—“I am speaking at 8:49 Wednesday night,” she writes—indicates that she works at a company called Youngevity. The Youngevity website lists her biography under the title Senior Vice Chairman Marketing Director, as do her Facebook and LinkedIn pages. Youngevity is a multi-level marketing system focusing on selling nutritional supplements and other products. Multi-level marketing is a sales system in which a salesperson earns money on the sales of each subsequent salesperson he or she recruits." Oh dear. Why do you say "Oh dear."? Because she is a VERY successful consultant for a network marketing company? I happen to be part of the same company. I have met Michelle and I have heard her speak. I have also read her story that was done for part of a book for our company. I am so tired of the bashing of direct sales/network marketing. Yes, many get in and don't make it to the top. But many do (look at our own Steph). No need to bash these women (and men). I was very proud of her and excited to hear her speak. SaveI thought she was so bad and awkward- I googled her and a few days before the convention it said she claimed to employ 100,000 people. She must be super successful- but I didn't think direct marketers were considered employers (more like the upline)
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Jul 22, 2016 17:16:09 GMT
According to the presidential historians I've seen weighing in over the last few days, nobody who has ever run on the "America is horrible" platform has ever won. I thought I heard a few on CNN say FDR had some doom and gloom in his speech. This was a far cry from "some doom and gloom." There wasn't a shred of optimism.
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Post by Merge on Jul 22, 2016 17:20:51 GMT
How I felt through his whole speech. I actually LOL'd.
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Post by Merge on Jul 22, 2016 17:31:25 GMT
Unfortunately sunshine and roses doesn't energize people to vote, gloom and doom does and all politicians use it in one form or another. From the one running for small town mayor right up to the presidency they're all going to tell us what's wrong and they are the one to fix it. There are ways of doing that, though, that also acknowledge the good. For fun, I looked up the text of Obama's 2008 acceptance speech. mobile.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/us/politics/28text-obama.htmlNotice the positive tone, the imagery of hardworking and compassionate Americans being the good this country already has, and the respectful language used about his opponent, even while disagreeing with him on policy issues. I'm going to go look up McCain's and Romney's acceptance speeches too. BRB. ETA: Holy crap! Look at McCain's speech. It just oozes positivity and respect even for his opponent. It's really too bad he chose Sarah Palin. Such a blunder there. elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/conventions/videos/transcripts/20080904_MCCAIN_SPEECH.htmlRomney's speech was more negative toward his opponent, but still respectful, and still positive. www.npr.org/2012/08/30/160357612/transcript-mitt-romneys-acceptance-speech
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 18:11:06 GMT
I didn't watch Trump last night because I just can't stand watching him anymore. But I got the gist of what he said. My first thought was what country is he talking about? Certainly not this country. There are problems for sure but to hear Trump tell it I need to turn my balcony into a bunker and I'm not sure why.
Then I realized Trump got confused again and he was talking about what is going on in Turkey or maybe Syria. Those countries have the problems that equal the gloom and doom Trump was talking about last night, not this country.
I see Trump is back harping about Cruz and the non endorsement. This is one of Trump's biggest flaws. He can't let these non issues go. All it does is reinforce how petty this man is. I can just see it now some foreign leader isn't "nice" to President Trump so he sits in the Oval Office muttering to himself that so and so wasn't nice to him personally and he will show them.
It's been said that Trump was using the "fear" tactic Nixon used in his acceptance speech. And I believe Nixon was considered somewhat paranoid. Maybe Trump and Nixon have more in common then Trump using the same "tone" in his speech as Nixon did all those years ago.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 22, 2016 18:16:47 GMT
Unfortunately sunshine and roses doesn't energize people to vote, gloom and doom does and all politicians use it in one form or another. From the one running for small town mayor right up to the presidency they're all going to tell us what's wrong and they are the one to fix it. There are ways of doing that, though, that also acknowledge the good. For fun, I looked up the text of Obama's 2008 acceptance speech. mobile.nytimes.com/2008/08/28/us/politics/28text-obama.htmlNotice the positive tone, the imagery of hardworking and compassionate Americans being the good this country already has, and the respectful language used about his opponent, even while disagreeing with him on policy issues. I'm going to go look up McCain's and Romney's acceptance speeches too. BRB. ETA: Holy crap! Look at McCain's speech. It just oozes positivity and respect even for his opponent. It's really too bad he chose Sarah Palin. Such a blunder there. elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/conventions/videos/transcripts/20080904_MCCAIN_SPEECH.htmlRomney's speech was more negative toward his opponent, but still respectful, and still positive. www.npr.org/2012/08/30/160357612/transcript-mitt-romneys-acceptance-speechMcCain could have won if he hadn't picked her. The far right he was trying to court were never going to vote for Obama and weren't going to stay home. He could have pulled independents to him with a different pick
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 18:26:37 GMT
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While Palin certainly hurt McCain I believe it was this incident that had more to do with him losing the election then picking Palin as his VP. It was when he "suspended" his campaign when news of the financial crisis first broke. He came off looking confused and the President ended up looking "presidential".
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 22, 2016 19:07:08 GMT
This type of comment always makes me chuckle because you know the speaker voted for Obama who had *gasp* no experience at all and had to "learn as you go".
The man has run several successful businesses. He's created thousands of jobs, written hundreds of thousands of paychecks and had numerous women in positions of authority. In fact, my favorite line in the convention was made by Eric Trump who said something to the effect that his father was the only candidate who actually signed the front of paychecks rather than the back.
The fact that he's got no "political" experience is a plus to me.
As far as "doom and gloom", IMO, its the reality of this country today. I'd rather my candidate take a good, hard, honest look at the way things are today rather than try to blow sunshine up my ass despite the fact that they know it isn't so.
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Post by jayfab on Jul 22, 2016 19:57:26 GMT
Incident after incident shows he and/or the people he surrounds himself with have no idea what they are doing. The daily incompetence astounds me. linkConservative Radio Host Charlie Sykes: ‘There’s incompetence and then there’s weapons grade incompetence which is then compounded by sending out all of these staffers to spin these ridiculous — it’s My Little Pony and all of this, and everything.’
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Post by moodyblue on Jul 22, 2016 20:03:19 GMT
For those who think the fact that Trump is a "successful" business man is a major plus and good experience for governing, I could remind you that running a business and running a government are not the same thing. We in Illinois are watching a mess with a businessman governor who can't seem to work with the legislators. Now, admittedly, the legislators are a big part of the problem, but people who think they can just come in as the "chief executive" and decree that certain things are going to happen will get a rude awakening. You have to be able to work with other people, not just dictate how things are going to be.
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Jul 22, 2016 20:14:00 GMT
Why do you say "Oh dear."? Because she is a VERY successful consultant for a network marketing company? I happen to be part of the same company. I have met Michelle and I have heard her speak. I have also read her story that was done for part of a book for our company. I am so tired of the bashing of direct sales/network marketing. Yes, many get in and don't make it to the top. But many do (look at our own Steph). No need to bash these women (and men). I was very proud of her and excited to hear her speak. SaveI thought she was so bad and awkward- I googled her and a few days before the convention it said she claimed to employ 100,000 people. She must be super successful- but I didn't think direct marketers were considered employers (more like the upline) I didn't see that. I do see now that there have been several corrections (some really smartass ones at that). She has said she didn't know where that came from. I am not sure exactly how many are in her downline but I'd guess it is a rather large team. Save
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 22, 2016 20:40:47 GMT
Incident after incident shows he and/or the people he surrounds himself with have no idea what they are doing. I thought we were talking about Trump and not Obama here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 20:43:49 GMT
This type of comment always makes me chuckle because you know the speaker voted for Obama who had *gasp* no experience at all and had to "learn as you go". I'm literally laughing my way through ALL of these threads, because damn near EVERYTHING people find fault with Trump on, you can change the name to Hillary and/or Obama and what they say will be just as true. ETA: And either they don't realize it or just don't care.
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Post by amom23 on Jul 22, 2016 20:44:12 GMT
Incident after incident shows he and/or the people he surrounds himself with have no idea what they are doing. I thought we were talking about Trump and not Obama here. Excuse me but you're a bitch, Go fucking find a new country to call home.
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