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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 13:57:58 GMT
I wasn't really trying for a gotcha moment. I have seen his quote from Twitter plastered all over my feed so that is the quote I have seen. I don't follow him on FB (or Twitter for that matter) but since it has been retweeted thousands of times that is the quote that is out there and visible. I won't comment on the Obama quote because I think that is your gotcha moment. However, as much as I deplore Hillary we damn well know how that would have gone over. All women that remarry and have children with different fathers are vilified while men aren't. That isn't just a Hillary standard that is the standards all women face sadly. So there is no doubt in my mind that the media would have been all over her. My comment was for perspective, because you know as well as I do on this board that a black man with five children by three different women would generate completely different dialogue than Trump's little family. Call it "gotcha" moment or maybe call it a "hypocrisy moment" but whatever, it's the truth and I completely agree with your statement about the quote in regards to Hillary......but I didn't twist his quote......he did.
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Post by Laurie on Jul 26, 2016 14:09:30 GMT
I wasn't really trying for a gotcha moment. I have seen his quote from Twitter plastered all over my feed so that is the quote I have seen. I don't follow him on FB (or Twitter for that matter) but since it has been retweeted thousands of times that is the quote that is out there and visible. I won't comment on the Obama quote because I think that is your gotcha moment. However, as much as I deplore Hillary we damn well know how that would have gone over. All women that remarry and have children with different fathers are vilified while men aren't. That isn't just a Hillary standard that is the standards all women face sadly. So there is no doubt in my mind that the media would have been all over her. My comment was for perspective, because you know as well as I do on this board that a black man with five children by three different women would generate completely different dialogue than Trump's little family. Call it "gotcha" moment or maybe call it a "hypocrisy moment" but whatever, it's the truth and I completely agree with your statement about the quote in regards to Hillary......but I didn't twist his quote......he did. Got it. I don't follow him so I have no idea what he posts on other social media platforms. Like I said I have seen the Hillary quote plenty on my Twitter feed so that is the only one I know and recognized it right away.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 14:18:44 GMT
I sincerely hope that the Republicans are kinder to the Democrats during their convention than the Dems have been here. You could have just let us have our damn nomination party before you feel the need to tell us how shitty we are for selecting Trump. With all due respect this was a watching thread - just like watching anything on TV - what are your reactions while it's happening. There was no "pro-Republican posts only" label. I would fully expect Republicans watching the DNC to have negative things to say and that's fine. That's how it works.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 14:55:48 GMT
Agreed.
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Post by lindas on Jul 26, 2016 15:03:13 GMT
I wasn't really trying for a gotcha moment. I have seen his quote from Twitter plastered all over my feed so that is the quote I have seen. I don't follow him on FB (or Twitter for that matter) but since it has been retweeted thousands of times that is the quote that is out there and visible. I won't comment on the Obama quote because I think that is your gotcha moment. However, as much as I deplore Hillary we damn well know how that would have gone over. All women that remarry and have children with different fathers are vilified while men aren't. That isn't just a Hillary standard that is the standards all women face sadly. So there is no doubt in my mind that the media would have been all over her. My comment was for perspective, because you know as well as I do on this board that a black man with five children by three different women would generate completely different dialogue than Trump's little family. Call it "gotcha" moment or maybe call it a "hypocrisy moment" but whatever, it's the truth and I completely agree with your statement about the quote in regards to Hillary......but I didn't twist his quote......he did. If ANY man had 5 children by 3 different women and never married any of them then yes, people would have been all over it. Trump was married to all of them before the kids were born.
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Post by bc2ca on Jul 26, 2016 15:16:54 GMT
My comment was for perspective, because you know as well as I do on this board that a black man with five children by three different women would generate completely different dialogue than Trump's little family. Call it "gotcha" moment or maybe call it a "hypocrisy moment" but whatever, it's the truth and I completely agree with your statement about the quote in regards to Hillary......but I didn't twist his quote......he did. If ANY man had 5 children by 3 different women and never married any of them then yes, people would have been all over it. Trump was married to all of them before the kids were born. Wasn't Tiffany born before he and Marla married? SaveSave
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 26, 2016 15:29:29 GMT
I sincerely hope that the Republicans are kinder to the Democrats during their convention than the Dems have been here. You could have just let us have our damn nomination party before you feel the need to tell us how shitty we are for selecting Trump. With all due respect this was a watching thread - just like watching anything on TV - what are your reactions while it's happening. There was no "pro-Republican posts only" label. I would fully expect Republicans watching the DNC to have negative things to say and that's fine. That's how it works. I've been reading both of these threads and so far I've been a bit surprised at the difference in them. There seems to be a reputation of the republicans always/usually/mostly starting the negativity and so far it hasn't been that way. The DNC thread has been very happy and positive through the first four pages without republicans or Bernie supporters coming in and crapping on the happiness. This thread is very disappointing with so many coming in bashing and rehashing things they hate about Trump over and over again. From an outsider it doesn't seem like the republicans were given a chance to enjoy their convention like the democrats have.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 15:36:07 GMT
All due respect, but if what people say on a message board effects someone's enjoyment of their party's convention, that's on them. I'm thrilled with how last night turned out at the DNC. I was incredibly skeptical going in to the evening. But our speakers were spectacular and I think we moved in the right direction. I can't imagine if people were speaking out about how awful it was, or how awful our candidate is, that my opinion or level of joy would be changed in any way. And there's always the option of not reading a thread you find bothersome.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 15:38:27 GMT
With all due respect this was a watching thread - just like watching anything on TV - what are your reactions while it's happening. There was no "pro-Republican posts only" label. I would fully expect Republicans watching the DNC to have negative things to say and that's fine. That's how it works. I've been reading both of these threads and so far I've been a bit surprised at the difference in them. There seems to be a reputaion of the republicans always/usually/mostly starting the negativity and so far it hasn't been that way. The DNC thread has been very happy and positive through the first four pages without republicans or Bernie supporters coming in and crapping on the happiness. This thread is very disappointing with so many coming in bashing and rehashing things they hate about Trump over and over again. From an outsider it doesn't seem like the republicans were given a chance to enjoy their convention like the democrats have. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't know what to tell you. That thread wasn't started by a known Republican with a good vibes, let's celebrate our convention feeling. It was a watching thread. I don't think anyone was trying to shit on anyone's party - just discussing what we were seeing, pro and con. I absolutely would expect the same thing on the DNC thread. Why it's not happening I don't know.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 26, 2016 15:40:14 GMT
With all due respect this was a watching thread - just like watching anything on TV - what are your reactions while it's happening. There was no "pro-Republican posts only" label. I would fully expect Republicans watching the DNC to have negative things to say and that's fine. That's how it works. I've been reading both of these threads and so far I've been a bit surprised at the difference in them. There seems to be a reputaion of the republicans always/usually/mostly starting the negativity and so far it hasn't been that way. The DNC thread has been very happy and positive through the first four pages without republicans or Bernie supporters coming in and crapping on the happiness. This thread is very disappointing with so many coming in bashing and rehashing things they hate about Trump over and over again. From an outsider it doesn't seem like the republicans were given a chance to enjoy their convention like the democrats have. 3 pages of fairly positive posts. It wasn't until the plagiarism and the strange defenses that it turned. And when someone was eloquent or well spoken they were praised
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 26, 2016 15:41:36 GMT
I've been reading both of these threads and so far I've been a bit surprised at the difference in them. There seems to be a reputaion of the republicans always/usually/mostly starting the negativity and so far it hasn't been that way. The DNC thread has been very happy and positive through the first four pages without republicans or Bernie supporters coming in and crapping on the happiness. This thread is very disappointing with so many coming in bashing and rehashing things they hate about Trump over and over again. From an outsider it doesn't seem like the republicans were given a chance to enjoy their convention like the democrats have. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't know what to tell you. That thread wasn't started by a known Republican with a good vibes, let's celebrate our convention feeling. It was a watching thread. I don't think anyone was trying to shit on anyone's party - just discussing what we were seeing, pro and con. I absolutely would expect the same thing on the DNC thread. Why it's not happening I don't know. I think because the speakers last night did well. There wasn't a lot to criticize. I bet when Bill comes out, there will be.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 26, 2016 17:10:16 GMT
All due respect, but if what people say on a message board effects someone's enjoyment of their party's convention, that's on them. I'm thrilled with how last night turned out at the DNC. I was incredibly skeptical going in to the evening. But our speakers were spectacular and I think we moved in the right direction. I can't imagine if people were speaking out about how awful it was, or how awful our candidate is, that my opinion or level of joy would be changed in any way. And there's always the option of not reading a thread you find bothersome. Convention thread And it's obviously not what I was noticing, though it's interesting how it was interpreted When reading both threads this board tends to often blame the republican members for the ugliness, negativity, bashing. But again, as an outsider to both parties, I can see it's not always or just the republicans. For me these two convention watching discussion threads just happen to show some of the differences and who brought what up. But people will see it differently depending on how they look at it
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 26, 2016 17:14:46 GMT
I've been reading both of these threads and so far I've been a bit surprised at the difference in them. There seems to be a reputation of the republicans always/usually/mostly starting the negativity and so far it hasn't been that way. The DNC thread has been very happy and positive through the first four pages without republicans or Bernie supporters coming in and crapping on the happiness. This thread is very disappointing with so many coming in bashing and rehashing things they hate about Trump over and over again. From an outsider it doesn't seem like the republicans were given a chance to enjoy their convention like the democrats have. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't know what to tell you. That thread wasn't started by a known Republican with a good vibes, let's celebrate our convention feeling. It was a watching thread. I don't think anyone was trying to shit on anyone's party - just discussing what we were seeing, pro and con. I absolutely would expect the same thing on the DNC thread. Why it's not happening I don't know. I'm sure it will happen, it's the nature of politics. My observation was that it was very nice that it hadn't yet and I think it's great
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 26, 2016 20:59:20 GMT
Gosh, I really respect the marriage between President & Michelle Obama. Him being the father of 5 kids with 3 different women? It's just so wrong. That's not who he is. That's what I think about it. I'm hardly a Trump fan, though, FWIW. Except she twisted the quote. John Fugelsang actually said Hillary Clinton and 5 kids with 3 different men. Doesn't change my answer. FWIW, Hillary & Bill have remained united together all of these year, too. Whatever agreements they have between themselves is none of my business. She's not going to stand on that stage with 5 kids from 3 different men because that's not who she is either. If any of these candidates had 5 kids from 3 different partners at the same time because they were just that promiscuous, not because they were in a polygamous marriage, then I'd have more of a problem with it. If they had 5 kids with their gay partner who they were committed - maybe even married - to, I'd have no problem with it. If they were a single person who had adopted or fostered 5 different kids of different races and/or abilities, I'd have no problem with it. It's actually a very interesting question.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 26, 2016 21:22:24 GMT
My comment was for perspective, because you know as well as I do on this board that a black man with five children by three different women would generate completely different dialogue than Trump's little family. It's a good question. There wasn't a lot to criticize. coughcoughcoughcoughcoughcoughcoughcough OK coughcoughcoughcoughcough
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 26, 2016 21:25:21 GMT
There wasn't a lot to criticize. coughcoughcoughcoughcoughcoughcoughcough OK coughcoughcoughcoughcough I wasn't talking policy wise, but there doesn't seme to be any major gaffes or wardrobe malfunctions (I don't know 100% because I did not get to watch last night.)
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 26, 2016 21:34:07 GMT
I do love a good wardrobe malfunction.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 26, 2016 21:35:17 GMT
Actually, there is a LOT more disagreement coming from Bernie's people than is obvious on camera.
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Post by Kath on Jul 26, 2016 21:45:23 GMT
But our speakers were spectacular
I didn't think so and no, I didn't have tears in my eyes. But what's going on in the other thread and lately on the board is an echo chamber. I miss 4 years ago, 8 years ago, 12 years ago when both sides were pretty well equally represented. Now, from my standpoint, it's appears mainly just to be one side. The other side appears to have walked away from the table of discussion for the most part, creating silence that some may interpret as nonexistence.
Echo chamber: In news media an echo chamber is a metaphorical description of a situation in which information, ideas, or beliefs are amplified or reinforced by transmission and repetition inside an "enclosed" system, where different or competing views are censored, disallowed, or otherwise underrepresented. The term is by analogy with an acoustic echo chamber, where sounds reverberate.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 26, 2016 21:48:35 GMT
But our speakers were spectacular
I didn't think so and no, I didn't have tears in my eyes. But what's going on in the other thread and lately on the board is an echo chamber. I miss 4 years ago, 8 years ago, 12 years ago when both sides were pretty well equally represented. Now, from my standpoint, it's appears mainly just to be one side. The other side appears to have walked away from the table of discussion for the most part, creating silence that some may interpret as nonexistence.
Echo chamber: In news media an echo chamber is a metaphorical description of a situation in which information, ideas, or beliefs are amplified or reinforced by transmission and repetition inside an "enclosed" system, where different or competing views are censored, disallowed, or otherwise underrepresented. The term is by analogy with an acoustic echo chamber, where sounds reverberate.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 26, 2016 21:59:18 GMT
But our speakers were spectacular
I didn't think so and no, I didn't have tears in my eyes. But what's going on in the other thread and lately on the board is an echo chamber. I miss 4 years ago, 8 years ago, 12 years ago when both sides were pretty well equally represented. Now, from my standpoint, it's appears mainly just to be one side. The other side appears to have walked away from the table of discussion for the most part, creating silence that some may interpret as nonexistence.
Echo chamber: In news media an echo chamber is a metaphorical description of a situation in which information, ideas, or beliefs are amplified or reinforced by transmission and repetition inside an "enclosed" system, where different or competing views are censored, disallowed, or otherwise underrepresented. The term is by analogy with an acoustic echo chamber, where sounds reverberate.
Hi Kath! from me, too. Maybe in 2012 we were pretty evenly balanced. I seem to remember in prior years, a big tilt toward conservatives on the board. I wonder if as the board has moved away from being a scrapbooking board to a more general-interest women's forum, that has accounted for the tilt away from soooo many conservatives. Anyway, we liberals can't make the conservatives hang around if they don't want to. I know our political threads can get mean-spirited on occasion, but that's on both sides. The liberals haven't driven off the conservatives. Or if we have, I'd have to say that apparently they can dish it out, but they can't take it. Or maybe some of the conservative peas are leaning a little more left these days. I think I've seen that happening over the past eight years. It warms my heart.
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Post by Kath on Jul 26, 2016 22:51:09 GMT
Two of my favorite people! Good to talk with you guys again, been a while.
I didn't think so and no, I didn't have tears in my eyes. But what's going on in the other thread and lately on the board is an echo chamber. I miss 4 years ago, 8 years ago, 12 years ago when both sides were pretty well equally represented. Now, from my standpoint, it's appears mainly just to be one side. The other side appears to have walked away from the table of discussion for the most part, creating silence that some may interpret as nonexistence.
Echo chamber: In news media an echo chamber is a metaphorical description of a situation in which information, ideas, or beliefs are amplified or reinforced by transmission and repetition inside an "enclosed" system, where different or competing views are censored, disallowed, or otherwise underrepresented. The term is by analogy with an acoustic echo chamber, where sounds reverberate.
Hi Kath! from me, too. Maybe in 2012 we were pretty evenly balanced. I seem to remember in prior years, a big tilt toward conservatives on the board. I wonder if as the board has moved away from being a scrapbooking board to a more general-interest women's forum, that has accounted for the tilt away from soooo many conservatives. Maybe, or us more conservative leaners just talked a lot back then and looked like a larger group of people than we were, monopolizing the board. Maybe. And Donald Trump is a nearly impossible person to defend on societal moral grounds, which probably also contributes to the one-sidedness. I'm probably one of those that's moved further left over the years, was always socially liberal and now more fiscally liberal as well. I was very sad last night. I would have probably voted for Bernie despite his whacked environmental views and my die-hard dh said he would have probably too, which is pretty amazing given a guy who has voted conservative his entire life.
Anyway, there's 50% of the country in polls who support Donald Trump over Hillary and that's 50% that aren't talking on this board. I love discussion and opposing views and the debating back and forth about whose candidate stinks more and this time around, it just feels like deafening silence. Like half the population isn't talking or afraid to talk. The greatness of our country lies in our differences and uniqueness and our ability to accept each other, even with opposing views, in a peaceful manner because at the end of the day, we're all Americans. But now it feels like people are afraid to talk, to speak their views, and I find it worrisome, not only on this board but in American society in general.
When people feel like they can't talk or express their views without being treated disrespectfully, they become angry and anger sometimes erupts into violence, especially with men. I think it's important for talking vigorously on both sides to continue rather than the direction we appear to be headed in of silencing and disrespecting opposing views, which is a dangerous path. It's even the little things like saying "uneducated men support Donald Trump," which I have heard a lot lately from various places on different news channels.
I don't know, lots of thoughts rolling through my head on this matter lately.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 26, 2016 23:36:09 GMT
Two of my favorite people! Good to talk with you guys again, been a while.
Maybe. And Donald Trump is a nearly impossible person to defend on societal moral grounds, which probably also contributes to the one-sidedness. I'm probably one of those that's moved further left over the years, was always socially liberal and now more fiscally liberal as well. I was very sad last night. I would have probably voted for Bernie despite his whacked environmental views and my die-hard dh said he would have probably too, which is pretty amazing given a guy who has voted conservative his entire life.
Anyway, there's 50% of the country in polls who support Donald Trump over Hillary and that's 50% that aren't talking on this board. I love discussion and opposing views and the debating back and forth about whose candidate stinks more and this time around, it just feels like deafening silence. Like half the population isn't talking or afraid to talk. The greatness of our country lies in our differences and uniqueness and our ability to accept each other, even with opposing views, in a peaceful manner because at the end of the day, we're all Americans. But now it feels like people are afraid to talk, to speak their views, and I find it worrisome, not only on this board but in American society in general.
When people feel like they can't talk or express their views without being treated disrespectfully, they become angry and anger sometimes erupts into violence, especially with men. I think it's important for talking vigorously on both sides to continue rather than the direction we appear to be headed in of silencing and disrespecting opposing views, which is a dangerous path. It's even the little things like saying "uneducated men support Donald Trump," which I have heard a lot lately from various places on different news channels.
I don't know, lots of thoughts rolling through my head on this matter lately.
I agree about wondering if people don't feel they can talk or express their views openly right now. I've noticed the same thing here at work. I'm in a very liberal state and if you are not a Hilary supporter you are given the cold shoulder the minute you open your mouth. I will not be voting for Donald at all, but that doesn't mean that everything Hilary says or does or wants is the best or only way. But if you are not one of her supporters you are definitely met with opposition. It's exhausting and who wants to keep pushing or fighting about it.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 26, 2016 23:38:34 GMT
Anyway, there's 50% of the country in polls who support Donald Trump over Hillary and that's 50% that aren't talking on this board. I read something that said that many of his supporters are white men over the age of 30. Since this board is mainly women, that may account for some of the discrepancy.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 27, 2016 0:20:22 GMT
Two of my favorite people! Good to talk with you guys again, been a while.
Hi Kath! from me, too. Maybe in 2012 we were pretty evenly balanced. I seem to remember in prior years, a big tilt toward conservatives on the board. I wonder if as the board has moved away from being a scrapbooking board to a more general-interest women's forum, that has accounted for the tilt away from soooo many conservatives. Maybe, or us more conservative leaners just talked a lot back then and looked like a larger group of people than we were, monopolizing the board. Maybe. And Donald Trump is a nearly impossible person to defend on societal moral grounds, which probably also contributes to the one-sidedness. I'm probably one of those that's moved further left over the years, was always socially liberal and now more fiscally liberal as well. I was very sad last night. I would have probably voted for Bernie despite his whacked environmental views and my die-hard dh said he would have probably too, which is pretty amazing given a guy who has voted conservative his entire life.
Anyway, there's 50% of the country in polls who support Donald Trump over Hillary and that's 50% that aren't talking on this board. I love discussion and opposing views and the debating back and forth about whose candidate stinks more and this time around, it just feels like deafening silence. Like half the population isn't talking or afraid to talk. The greatness of our country lies in our differences and uniqueness and our ability to accept each other, even with opposing views, in a peaceful manner because at the end of the day, we're all Americans. But now it feels like people are afraid to talk, to speak their views, and I find it worrisome, not only on this board but in American society in general.
When people feel like they can't talk or express their views without being treated disrespectfully, they become angry and anger sometimes erupts into violence, especially with men. I think it's important for talking vigorously on both sides to continue rather than the direction we appear to be headed in of silencing and disrespecting opposing views, which is a dangerous path. It's even the little things like saying "uneducated men support Donald Trump," which I have heard a lot lately from various places on different news channels.
I don't know, lots of thoughts rolling through my head on this matter lately.
Oh, I think much of the discrepancy is due to Trump himself. Many Republicans, even those who are planning to vote for him, are ashamed of him and might find it hard to defend him vocally. And I think the Democrats are even more revved up than usual for the same reason ... Trump is sooooo awful. I don't think anyone will be surprised and hopefully not offended to hear me make these statements. I just find him incredibly polarizing and indefensible. Mitt Romney is lookin' mighty fine these days.
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Post by DinCA on Jul 27, 2016 0:38:38 GMT
Two of my favorite people! Good to talk with you guys again, been a while.
Maybe. And Donald Trump is a nearly impossible person to defend on societal moral grounds, which probably also contributes to the one-sidedness. I'm probably one of those that's moved further left over the years, was always socially liberal and now more fiscally liberal as well. I was very sad last night. I would have probably voted for Bernie despite his whacked environmental views and my die-hard dh said he would have probably too, which is pretty amazing given a guy who has voted conservative his entire life.
Anyway, there's 50% of the country in polls who support Donald Trump over Hillary and that's 50% that aren't talking on this board. I love discussion and opposing views and the debating back and forth about whose candidate stinks more and this time around, it just feels like deafening silence. Like half the population isn't talking or afraid to talk. The greatness of our country lies in our differences and uniqueness and our ability to accept each other, even with opposing views, in a peaceful manner because at the end of the day, we're all Americans. But now it feels like people are afraid to talk, to speak their views, and I find it worrisome, not only on this board but in American society in general.
When people feel like they can't talk or express their views without being treated disrespectfully, they become angry and anger sometimes erupts into violence, especially with men. I think it's important for talking vigorously on both sides to continue rather than the direction we appear to be headed in of silencing and disrespecting opposing views, which is a dangerous path. It's even the little things like saying "uneducated men support Donald Trump," which I have heard a lot lately from various places on different news channels.
I don't know, lots of thoughts rolling through my head on this matter lately.
I agree about wondering if people don't feel they can talk or express their views openly right now. I've noticed the same thing here at work. I'm in a very liberal state and if you are not a Hilary supporter you are given the cold shoulder the minute you open your mouth. I will not be voting for Donald at all, but that doesn't mean that everything Hilary says or does or wants is the best or only way. But if you are not one of her supporters you are definitely met with opposition. It's exhausting and who wants to keep pushing or fighting about it. I also feel this way. I've been a republican my entire life, though I don't feel like my party fairly represents me any longer. Nor am I a Democrat even though my social views are fairly left. That said, I feel like I can't criticize Hillary without being ostracized. I also feel that way about any positive things I might say about Trump. Look, both of them have very high negatives but we still have to choose. I'd really like to have a discussion about their positives without the discussion being shut down by the negatives. That puts me on the defensive, which is exhausting. Neither of the two is defensible so I feel like the discussion would be better served by focusing on their strengths. ETA: Staying home and refusing to vote is not an option for me. Sav
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 27, 2016 1:24:19 GMT
I agree about wondering if people don't feel they can talk or express their views openly right now. I've noticed the same thing here at work. I'm in a very liberal state and if you are not a Hilary supporter you are given the cold shoulder the minute you open your mouth. I will not be voting for Donald at all, but that doesn't mean that everything Hilary says or does or wants is the best or only way. But if you are not one of her supporters you are definitely met with opposition. It's exhausting and who wants to keep pushing or fighting about it. Isn't that the thing though? Both sides are implying that if you just listened, just learned, just researched more, just UNDERSTOOD better you would see how vile, contemptible, and horrendously evil the other side is. But you know, whether I agree with them or not, there are some really smart, well read women here who have done their research and aren't blind to the faults of their candidate, they have just chosen differently. They have made decisions about what they are comfortable accepting in their choice. I have a pretty strong view, but I do recognize that there are issues with my choice. I just feel that my choice is the direction I want to see the country take. It isn't because I don't understand, it isn't because I didn't do my research or follow current events or follow past events, it is because I know what I can live with. The mean spiritedness shouldn't be a part of these discussions but it is and THAT is exhausting to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 1:58:22 GMT
I agree about wondering if people don't feel they can talk or express their views openly right now. I've noticed the same thing here at work. I'm in a very liberal state and if you are not a Hilary supporter you are given the cold shoulder the minute you open your mouth. I will not be voting for Donald at all, but that doesn't mean that everything Hilary says or does or wants is the best or only way. But if you are not one of her supporters you are definitely met with opposition. It's exhausting and who wants to keep pushing or fighting about it. Isn't that the thing though? Both sides are implying that if you just listened, just learned, just researched more, just UNDERSTOOD better you would see how vile, contemptible, and horrendously evil the other side is. Yes, I agree, both sides do that. But for the most part, I'm only seeing the Left side here (for lack of a better categorization) shutting down opposing view altogether by branding the PERSON they're talking to as stupid, evil, racist, bigoted, homophobic, paranoid, living in fear, mentally deficient, etc. It also isn't new, or only in relation to Trump or the election, nor is it only present here. It's something of an epidemic on college campuses. This is an interesting book actually written by someone on the Left: This is an article from 2 years ago, so it isn't completely new: The left is entering a new phase of ideological agitation — no longer trying to win the debate but stopping debate altogether, banishing from public discourse any and all opposition.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 27, 2016 2:16:15 GMT
Isn't that the thing though? Both sides are implying that if you just listened, just learned, just researched more, just UNDERSTOOD better you would see how vile, contemptible, and horrendously evil the other side is. Yes, I agree, both sides do that. But for the most part, I'm only seeing the Left side here (for lack of a better categorization) shutting down opposing view altogether by branding the PERSON they're talking to as stupid, evil, racist, bigoted, homophobic, paranoid, living in fear, mentally deficient, etc. It also isn't new, or only in relation to Trump or the election, nor is it only present here. It's something of an epidemic on college campuses. This is an interesting book actually written by someone on the Left: This is an article from 2 years ago, so it isn't completely new: The left is entering a new phase of ideological agitation — no longer trying to win the debate but stopping debate altogether, banishing from public discourse any and all opposition.But that sort of proves my point in a way. It is our view point that guides our perceptions. Your perception is such that you feel that your side is being shut down more overwhelmingly, and the other side feels that their views are denigrated and shut down more often. And both sides can provide proof that they are right. The thing is, it IS coming from BOTH sides and it is shutting down conversations. No one side gets to cry martyr on this, no one is innocent.
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