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Post by shescrafty on Jul 22, 2016 20:50:13 GMT
I thought we were talking about Trump and not Obama here. Excuse me but you're a bitch, Go fucking find a new country to call home. Not cool. It's one thing to disagree with someone else, but quite another to tell someone they are a bitch and to leave this country. I don't see eye to eye with leftturnonly but I certainly would never think it was okay to say this to someone on a thread.
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Post by lucyg on Jul 22, 2016 20:51:28 GMT
Incident after incident shows he and/or the people he surrounds himself with have no idea what they are doing. I thought we were talking about Trump and not Obama here. Which people exactly are you talking about here? Because my experience is that President Obama on the whole has surrounded himself with qualified experts in the field. Ivy League economists, experienced national security people, people with long histories in the social sciences, etc. You may disagree with their philosophies, they may make mistakes on occasion ... but I am truly curious about how you can describe them as people who have no idea what they're doing? or compare them to Trump's ragtag bunch? A campaign manager who had never managed any campaign before, replaced by a campaign manager who's a lobbyist for Vladimir Putin, and his team of experts is staffed by his own children.
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Post by snowsilver on Jul 22, 2016 21:00:00 GMT
I thought we were talking about Trump and not Obama here. Excuse me but you're a bitch, Go fucking find a new country to call home. You know, this is the sort of post that just turns off discussion. I used to love discussing politics and once in awhile I get the urge to do so here again. But then I see a post like this and say, "what's the point!" Using vile language and telling someone (who has NEVER used this kind of language against anyone else that I can recall) simply ends discussion and everything becomes a snot-fest.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 21:14:17 GMT
67% of whom? Feel the same as him about what, exactly? Sorry I just remember that was said by a member of the group that was discussing the speech with AC. I was surprised by that #. It was late. Should have wrote it down. Even without knowing those facts like I said obviously there seems to be others that believe his d and g analysis. I think it's sad and it might work for his supporters but not sure how he's going to convince non supporters or undecided voters to believe his "sky is falling" mo. ETA they felt the same as DT in the state of America CNN's poll also found that 73% feel that Trump will move the country in the correct direction.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 21:16:03 GMT
Just for the record snowsilver, I wish you'd come around more often.
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Post by shescrafty on Jul 22, 2016 21:19:06 GMT
Sorry I just remember that was said by a member of the group that was discussing the speech with AC. I was surprised by that #. It was late. Should have wrote it down. Even without knowing those facts like I said obviously there seems to be others that believe his d and g analysis. I think it's sad and it might work for his supporters but not sure how he's going to convince non supporters or undecided voters to believe his "sky is falling" mo. ETA they felt the same as DT in the state of America CNN's poll also found that 73% feel that Trump will move the country in the correct direction. I heard on the radio that 70% of the people feel the country is not in a good place. I did NOT hear that70% agreed with Trump or that they feel Trump will move the country in the right direction.
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Post by Merge on Jul 22, 2016 21:20:50 GMT
Sorry I just remember that was said by a member of the group that was discussing the speech with AC. I was surprised by that #. It was late. Should have wrote it down. Even without knowing those facts like I said obviously there seems to be others that believe his d and g analysis. I think it's sad and it might work for his supporters but not sure how he's going to convince non supporters or undecided voters to believe his "sky is falling" mo. ETA they felt the same as DT in the state of America CNN's poll also found that 73% feel that Trump will move the country in the correct direction. To clarify that, according to the graphic/statistic I found, that's 73% of speech watchers. Not of the general public or likely voters. I'd be willing to bet that the number for the general public is a lot lower. CNN Poll Graphic
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Post by shescrafty on Jul 22, 2016 21:22:43 GMT
Did some googling -73% of those WATCHING THE RNC speech by Trump think Trump will move the country in the right direction. Not 73% of all people nationwide, I bet it would be pretty similar if they polled those who watched FOX news or who identify themselves as republicans already. 73% poll
eta JINX Merge ! Lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 21:25:34 GMT
Poll: "73% of CNN viewers believed Trump's policies will move the US in the right direction"
So it is also specific to CNN viewers.
And I'm sorry...what I don't get is what the heck policies these people are agreeing with. I listened last night. What policies did he propose? I just don't get it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 21:34:14 GMT
Actually what cuts off conversations are remarks like this that have nothing to do with the topic at hand: "I thought we were talking about Trump and not Obama here."
I vividly remember folks, myself included, would bring up Bush in the middle of a somewhat heated discussion about President Obama and get shot down, not very nicely in some cases, quicker then a dog eats a steak. We were told in no uncertain terms what Bush did then had nothing to do with what Obama is doing or did. END.OF.DISCUSSION!
Granted the response to this remark was a bit harsh however, IMO, the remark should never have been made on this thread in the first place. It added nothing to this discussion on Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2016 22:48:36 GMT
CNN's poll also found that 73% feel that Trump will move the country in the correct direction. To clarify that, according to the graphic/statistic I found, that's 73% of speech watchers. Not of the general public or likely voters. I'd be willing to bet that the number for the general public is a lot lower. CNN Poll GraphicI quoted and was responding to someone's post on the affect of the speech. It didn't occur to me that I should clarify that I was still talking about the speech, if that was what I quoted.
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Post by Merge on Jul 22, 2016 22:57:00 GMT
To clarify that, according to the graphic/statistic I found, that's 73% of speech watchers. Not of the general public or likely voters. I'd be willing to bet that the number for the general public is a lot lower. CNN Poll GraphicI quoted and was responding to someone's post on the affect of the speech. It didn't occur to me that I should clarify that I was still talking about the speech, if that was what I quoted. We knew you were talking about the speech, but neither the post you quoted, nor your post, specified to what population the poll was directed. The fact that it was directed to speech-watchers - most of whom were likely already going to vote for Trump - makes it much less meaningful than if the poll had been directed to registered voters or likely voters.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 2:56:39 GMT
I quoted and was responding to someone's post on the affect of the speech. It didn't occur to me that I should clarify that I was still talking about the speech, if that was what I quoted. We knew you were talking about the speech, but neither the post you quoted, nor your post, specified to what population the poll was directed. The fact that it was directed to speech-watchers - most of whom were likely already going to vote for Trump - makes it much less meaningful than if the poll had been directed to registered voters or likely voters. Well color me confused then. If you all knew I was talking about the speech, i.e. speech watchers, why did you need to clarify that I was talking about speech watchers. I'm just not getting why you felt that was necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 3:07:41 GMT
I sincerely hope that the Republicans are kinder to the Democrats during their convention than the Dems have been here.
You could have just let us have our damn nomination party before you feel the need to tell us how shitty we are for selecting Trump.
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Post by Merge on Jul 23, 2016 8:51:55 GMT
We knew you were talking about the speech, but neither the post you quoted, nor your post, specified to what population the poll was directed. The fact that it was directed to speech-watchers - most of whom were likely already going to vote for Trump - makes it much less meaningful than if the poll had been directed to registered voters or likely voters. Well color me confused then. If you all knew I was talking about the speech, i.e. speech watchers, why did you need to clarify that I was talking about speech watchers. I'm just not getting why you felt that was necessary. Because talking about the speech itself and understanding that the poll number is not exactly a measure of what was originally implied are two different things? Sorry, I'm not understanding your confusion here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 11:21:13 GMT
Unfortunately sunshine and roses doesn't energize people to vote, gloom and doom does and all politicians use it in one form or another. From the one running for small town mayor right up to the presidency they're all going to tell us what's wrong and they are the one to fix it. It might be just my rose colored glasses, but I recall the overall positive energy surrounding Obama's Yes We Can campaign. I also believe it inspired people globally, not just in the US as Obama is very popular in other Western countries. If Donald does get in I hope it is a creative 4 years for all the musicians, actors, artist's and writers so they can dig deep to serve some inspiration. Positivity is an intangible construct, but it can have very tangible outcomes when fostered.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 11:29:24 GMT
I sincerely hope that the Republicans are kinder to the Democrats during their convention than the Dems have been here. You could have just let us have our damn nomination party before you feel the need to tell us how shitty we are for selecting Trump. If you've read any threads on this board the past few months you will know that won't happen. It would be great to be proven wrong
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Post by peasapie on Jul 23, 2016 11:32:10 GMT
Ha ha that was Jimmy Swaggert Thanks when I googled JF image I was like nope that's not him lol! Wasn't that Jim (and Tammy Faye) Baker's blubbering speech when he got caught cheating?
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Jul 23, 2016 14:34:53 GMT
Thanks when I googled JF image I was like nope that's not him lol! Wasn't that Jim (and Tammy Faye) Baker's blubbering speech when he got caught cheating? I think he said something similar as well to the I have sinned.
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Post by missmiss on Jul 23, 2016 15:30:34 GMT
I sincerely hope that the Republicans are kinder to the Democrats during their convention than the Dems have been here. You could have just let us have our damn nomination party before you feel the need to tell us how shitty we are for selecting Trump. But Trump people want to leave the political correctness behind. I was told that this is part of the reason people love Trump. He says whatever he wants. This is the person you are backing. The person that wants to say whatever he wants and he doesn't care. Why are you upset? This is what you want. Being able to say what you want when you want. *You* means quite a few that back Trump. If Trump can do it we can do it.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on Jul 23, 2016 15:51:47 GMT
If Donald does get in I hope it is a creative 4 years for all the musicians, actors, artist's and writers so they can dig deep to serve some inspiration. Positivity is an intangible construct, but it can have very tangible outcomes when fostered. He'll probably round them all up and put them in prisons. That's how other dictatorships work.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 17:11:32 GMT
I saw a great quote by John Fugelsang late last night that almost made me spit my soft drink out.....so on point.
Certainly puts things in perspective.
Could someone answer that question for me because I'd like to know also?
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 26, 2016 6:00:36 GMT
I sincerely hope that the Republicans are kinder to the Democrats during their convention than the Dems have been here. You could have just let us have our damn nomination party before you feel the need to tell us how shitty we are for selecting Trump. So far for the first four pages of their convention thread the Republicans have been very nice and have let them enjoy their moment. Not sure how long it will last, but it has been nice to not read all the negativity. Kudos to the republicans so far!
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Post by leftturnonly on Jul 26, 2016 11:58:17 GMT
I saw a great quote by John Fugelsang late last night that almost made me spit my soft drink out.....so on point. Certainly puts things in perspective. Could someone answer that question for me because I'd like to know also? Gosh, I really respect the marriage between President & Michelle Obama. Him being the father of 5 kids with 3 different women? It's just so wrong. That's not who he is. That's what I think about it. I'm hardly a Trump fan, though, FWIW.
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Post by Laurie on Jul 26, 2016 12:57:37 GMT
I saw a great quote by John Fugelsang late last night that almost made me spit my soft drink out.....so on point. Certainly puts things in perspective. Could someone answer that question for me because I'd like to know also? Gosh, I really respect the marriage between President & Michelle Obama. Him being the father of 5 kids with 3 different women? It's just so wrong. That's not who he is. That's what I think about it. I'm hardly a Trump fan, though, FWIW. Except she twisted the quote. John Fugelsang actually said Hillary Clinton and 5 kids with 3 different men.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 13:22:15 GMT
Gosh, I really respect the marriage between President & Michelle Obama. Him being the father of 5 kids with 3 different women? It's just so wrong. That's not who he is. That's what I think about it. I'm hardly a Trump fan, though, FWIW. Except she twisted the quote. John Fugelsang actually said Hillary Clinton and 5 kids with 3 different men. Really?? Hmmmm Laurie![](http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a339/bskts4ver/JohnF.jpg)
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 26, 2016 13:31:27 GMT
McCain could have won if he hadn't picked her. The far right he was trying to court were never going to vote for Obama and weren't going to stay home. He could have pulled independents to him with a different pick I think you're right about that--I would have likely voted for McCain, until the batshit crazy rambling Palin came into the picture!!
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Post by Laurie on Jul 26, 2016 13:34:06 GMT
From his verified Twitter account. ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/lauriemscraps/Fugelsang.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2016 13:41:04 GMT
Yes, the original quote was July 22nd on Facebook after Trump's speech and then he revised the quote the next night on twitter...I follow the guy....so NO, I didn't twist his words.....he used the quote twice.....sorry you didn't have your "gotcha" moment.
BTW - that's John's VERIFIED Facebook account.
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Post by Laurie on Jul 26, 2016 13:52:45 GMT
I wasn't really trying for a gotcha moment. I have seen his quote from Twitter plastered all over my feed so that is the quote I have seen. I don't follow him on FB (or Twitter for that matter) but since it has been retweeted thousands of times that is the quote that is out there and visible.
I won't comment on the Obama quote because I think that is your gotcha moment.
However, as much as I deplore Hillary we damn well know how that would have gone over. All women that remarry and have children with different fathers are vilified while men aren't. That isn't just a Hillary standard that is the standards all women face sadly. So there is no doubt in my mind that the media would have been all over her.
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