Can we talk about Hilary's wardrobe?

High level government (or women in positions similar to Clinton's), yes.  "any 50+ age women in government", no. 

And honestly, I think she looks fine and I don't have any beef with the cost of her garments.  My problem comes from others trying to normalize this kind of expenditure as "ya, ALL women that age do this" when it's really just not true. 

I thought Melania looked quite polished, and her dress was interesting and appropriate. I think the Jenner copying came about after the speech copying because it made a funny meme to some. But, I thought she looked very nice. 

Personally I think it's odd she's floundered so much style-wise over the years since she's had advisors. In 1991-92 I thought she wasn't paying attention. 25 years later it feels a little like she's putting on an act or something is off. Other women in politics have accepted this as part of the job requirement. Men too as far back as JFK and television coverage.

You're missing my point. Men take it too. Yes she's had more of it, but getting angry and making it a cause doesn't make it go away.
I think she's accepted it and decided to thumb her nose at it.

Or perhaps it will become more cost effective to move it back to the US after factoring in shipping costs and these supposed taxes.

My family owns a manufacturing business and we have customers come to us all the time with what they want and their price expectation.  Instantly we know if it is China pricing or US pricing that they expect. We will present them a quote with the parts being made in China and a quote with us building it in our manufacturing plant in South Dakota.  We have yet to have a customer take the US pricing so we order them to be manufactured in China, shipped to us.  Of all of the parts we sell these are the ones with the highest profit margin. We receive them in, put them in our box and ship them out. Not much cost into them.  This started out as a small percentage of our business but has grown in the last 5 years. We would much rather build the part here in our plant but in the US there is no way of making the products for fifty cents like they do in China. I just saw one of our quotes recently...45 cents (including the shipping to get them from China to here) for made in China or over $6 made here in our plant. We would love to see that gap closed so our employees can start building the parts here in the US. Until US pricing is competitive with having it imported in from China it unfortunately won't happen.

Ugh.

Do you discuss Trump's wardrobe?
Would it be more exciting if he wore something other than neutral pantsuits?

Or is wardrobe only relevant because she's a woman?




It *is* sexist because you are only worrying about her wardrobe because she's a woman.

Unless she is dressing in a bikini or a tube top on the campaign trail, her wardrobe choice is irrelevant. My own mother was an over-50 woman in government and rocked the pantsuit like there was no tomorrow. I don't know how much she paid for each pantsuit but they weren't cheap. She earned a healthy six-figure income and could afford to dress well and professionally so she did.

Seriously. Can we please stfu about her pantsuits, hairstyle, wrinkles, and every other thing that has nothing to do with her experience or ability to govern?

And WHO told Donald Trump to wear that awful makeup? Can't he find a Mary Kay lady?

I really like in the teal that Hillary was in when she was with Kain in Florida ,Teal is a good color for her. I don't like the oversized coats. It makes her look really outdated. I really liked Michelle Obamas dress last night she did a good job and looked really great in the blue.I even liked Ivanka's dress. I don't know how I feel about her. I think she's callin more shots than we know. I'm not a fan of either but I think you can comment on them with out getting super personal. Even my Dh said last night that if Trump need to tone his hair color down if he's gonna move on and up.. I kinda laughed it was kinda funny hearing it come from a guy!

I suppose it depends on your definition of attractive and obviously your standard of attractiveness is quite high. Personally, I think it's a really nasty thing to say. Both of these people were attractive in their younger days and few of us are able to maintain that level of "attractiveness" as we grow older, Hillary and Donald included. Guaranteed if they had cosmetic surgery to enhance their looks, they'd be ridiculed and criticized for that. I think it's ludicrous to judge anyone by their looks... people can't help how they were born.

Now if you want to talk about unattractive character and personality, well, that's a different story.

but it is okay to discuss trumps hair, the fact that he looks like grumpy cat, and a bunch of his other flaws?

I'll admit that I am touchy about this topic. Not at you, OP, because I'm sure that you are just curious. But females politicians, especially Hillary, are judged constantly by their hair, their clothes, their body, and their voice. In 08, ,I remember that the style editor of the WaPo wrote an article about Hillary's pantsuits. And don't get me started on the comments about her laugh!

It is true that Trump's hair and orange glow have been a frequent topic, but mainly because they are so unusual. Most male pols are not subjected to discussions about their looks, although there are always exceptions.


OP, if you are curious about her wardrobe, Google will give you more information than you ever wanted.