MsKnit
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Post by MsKnit on Jul 27, 2016 23:12:59 GMT
Agree. Bill O is a big blowhard, but I do think he was just stating something that was probably true. I didn't get that he was saying anything in support of slavery. ^^^ this. I read it as he was basically just stating a historical fact that plenty of other people had a hand in building the White House as well, not making any sort of a statement about the rightness or wrongness of slavery as an institution. (I'm going to guess that there are more accounts of how / who built the White House than just that one entry by Abigail Adams. And NO, I'm not saying that I support slavery by making that comment...) Had BOR made a comment confirming MO's statement regarding slaves building the WH, clarified all that had built the WH, or taken it further and saying that slaves were used in the WH by sitting presidents through whoever...fine. One could argue educating people. However, saying they were 'well fed' was lessening the hardships of people who were property. It's like saying to an abused women at least she is well taken care of because they live well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 23:16:32 GMT
I think all the politcal commentators are big blowhards on both sides. Agreed!
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Post by M~ on Jul 27, 2016 23:22:07 GMT
If I were to make the statement,
"Some Jews were treated humanely by the Nazis during the Holocaust."
Methinks I would be vilified. As I should be.
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likescarrots
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Post by likescarrots on Jul 27, 2016 23:30:53 GMT
This thread did an amazing job at outing the racists on this board.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 27, 2016 23:33:33 GMT
This thread did an amazing job at outing the racists on this board. Oh FFS, saying that his statement didn't invoke the feelings or thoughts in some of us that it did some of you does not make one racist. But you go on and make sure that you label anybody you don't agree with as that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2016 23:39:08 GMT
This thread did an amazing job at outing the racists on this board. Oh for the good love of the Lord are you serious?! Please tell me that was tongue in cheek? SaveSave
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likescarrots
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Post by likescarrots on Jul 27, 2016 23:47:33 GMT
This thread did an amazing job at outing the racists on this board. Oh FFS, saying that his statement didn't invoke the feelings or thoughts in some of us that it did some of you does not make one racist. But you go on and make sure that you label anybody you don't agree with as that. No no, you misunderstand. I'm labeling you racist for minimizing the atrocities committed to black people by white people in this country. Not because I don't agree with you, which I don't.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Jul 27, 2016 23:48:36 GMT
This thread did an amazing job at outing the racists on this board. Oh FFS, saying that his statement didn't invoke the feelings or thoughts in some of us that it did some of you does not make one racist. But you go on and make sure that you label anybody you don't agree with as that. Labeling people that don't read into things the same way as they do, seems to be a favorite past time of a few peas <sigh> It's getting really old.
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Post by Merge on Jul 27, 2016 23:49:10 GMT
Oh FFS, saying that his statement didn't invoke the feelings or thoughts in some of us that it did some of you does not make one racist. But you go on and make sure that you label anybody you don't agree with as that. No no, you misunderstand. I'm labeling you racist for minimizing the atrocities committed to black people by white people in this country. Not because I don't agree with you, which I don't. I haven't read the article, but freecharlie is not a racist.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 27, 2016 23:51:00 GMT
Oh FFS, saying that his statement didn't invoke the feelings or thoughts in some of us that it did some of you does not make one racist. But you go on and make sure that you label anybody you don't agree with as that. No no, you misunderstand. I'm labeling you racist for minimizing the atrocities committed to black people by white people in this country. Not because I don't agree with you, which I don't. Ah, got it. You go on with your bad self then. Lucky for me, I don't care if you think I am a racist or not.
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likescarrots
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Post by likescarrots on Jul 27, 2016 23:53:47 GMT
Oh FFS, saying that his statement didn't invoke the feelings or thoughts in some of us that it did some of you does not make one racist. But you go on and make sure that you label anybody you don't agree with as that. Labeling people that don't read into things the same way as they do, seems to be a favorite past time of a few peas <sigh> It's getting really old. you know what's getting REALLY old.... racism and white supremacy. Oh, and people saying or defending racist things and then pretending they're not racist.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 0:05:06 GMT
Oh FFS, saying that his statement didn't invoke the feelings or thoughts in some of us that it did some of you does not make one racist. But you go on and make sure that you label anybody you don't agree with as that. No no, you misunderstand. I'm labeling you racist for minimizing the atrocities committed to black people by white people in this country. Not because I don't agree with you, which I don't. Bill O'Reilly, however you may feel about him, did NOT minimize any atrocities about it or state that he felt that slavery wasn't so bad if you were well fed. It is REALLY disturbing to me how people are going on and getting ever more creative in their accusations. It is truly disturbing to me that you (general "you") think it is okay to to that and then accuse anyone who takes exception to it of being racist. SaveSave
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Post by anonrefugee on Jul 28, 2016 0:17:36 GMT
I don't think this smack in the middle loon distorted his words, or his intent.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 0:23:35 GMT
This thread did an amazing job at outing the racists on this board. Yeah, not on board with this. I hate what O'Reilly said, but I don't think calling everyone who thinks there was a reasonable point to his comments a racist is appropriate or correct.
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purplebee
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Post by purplebee on Jul 28, 2016 0:34:05 GMT
This thread did an amazing job at outing the racists on this board. Wow. Just Wow......
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 28, 2016 0:34:50 GMT
(I almost feel like I can't say this here without being called a racist-but while I can't stand Bill O'Reilly, I have read a couple of his books like "Killing Lincoln" that were assigned reading for one kid or another in a class and he isn't a terrible historian. Other than his dislike of anyone that CNN likes, I am not sure he would go off spouting incorrect historical facts. Misguided and misplaced perhaps in how he phrased it in this case...)
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likescarrots
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Post by likescarrots on Jul 28, 2016 0:35:18 GMT
This thread did an amazing job at outing the racists on this board. Yeah, not on board with this. I hate what O'Reilly said, but I don't think calling everyone who thinks there was a reasonable point to his comments a racist is appropriate or correct. That's fine, you don't have to think that. You're more concerned with what a bunch of white people think about you than actually calling out racist things being said or defended, and i get it... you're way more likely to be oppressed by white people than you are by black people or any other racial minority, so you've been conditioned to capitulate to them. But congratulations, you're perpetuating white supremacy when you refuse to confront racism candidly.
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 28, 2016 0:37:37 GMT
(I almost feel like I can't say this here without being called a racist-but while I can't stand Bill O'Reilly, I have read a couple of his books like "Killing Lincoln" that were assigned reading for one kid or another in a class and he isn't a terrible historian. Other than his dislike of anyone that CNN likes, I am not sure he would go off spouting incorrect historical facts. Misguided and misplaced perhaps in how he phrased it in this case...) I've read Killing Kennedy and own his other books. I think he does due diligence when writing a non-fiction historical book. I doubt he does the same while speaking on his show (which I've only watched parts of here and there). He wouldn't have time to fact check everything. I do think he knows a great deal about history though.
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Post by mom on Jul 28, 2016 0:38:44 GMT
Yeah, not on board with this. I hate what O'Reilly said, but I don't think calling everyone who thinks there was a reasonable point to his comments a racist is appropriate or correct. That's fine, you don't have to think that. You're more concerned with what a bunch of white people think about you than actually calling out racist things being said or defended, and i get it... you're way more likely to be oppressed by white people than you are by black people or any other racial minority, so you've been conditioned to capitulate to them. But congratulations, you're perpetuating white supremacy when you refuse to confront racism candidly. Are you serious? WTF.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 0:40:42 GMT
Yeah, not on board with this. I hate what O'Reilly said, but I don't think calling everyone who thinks there was a reasonable point to his comments a racist is appropriate or correct. That's fine, you don't have to think that. You're more concerned with what a bunch of white people think about you than actually calling out racist things being said or defended, and i get it... you're way more likely to be oppressed by white people than you are by black people or any other racial minority, so you've been conditioned to capitulate to them. But congratulations, you're perpetuating white supremacy when you refuse to confront racism candidly. JFC You are off your rocker and have NO idea what you are talking about. How fucking dare you.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 28, 2016 0:49:07 GMT
... I think he was trying to minimize it's importance on the building of the white house. That wasn't my takeaway at all. Bill has written/co-written many historical books and is doing a TV series on the history of our country. He is knowledgeable about that time period and was merely adding in some information. That so many of you have to twist his comment into "O'REILLY SAYS SLAVERY WAS OKAY!" is ridiculous. Just as many feel your comment that he was "merely adding some info" is ridiculous !
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 28, 2016 0:55:04 GMT
For someone who doesn't know the history her comment most certainly could have been taken that slaves were the sole builders of the White House. In the context of her speech, why would it matter? The point of what she said was how far our country has come, the possibilities and opportunities the USA offers, and what a great country this is. Exactly the kind of thing Republicans usually love to hear and often accuse Democrats of not saying/not believing. So a First Lady says it, and Bill O'Reilly picks it apart using historical trivia, and conservative peas defend him? You tell me. In what way does the fact that Michelle Obama said the White House was built by slaves, rather than the White House was built by slaves and other people, diminish the message she was putting out? She didn't lie, she didn't leave out something that would negate her message ... she said the thing that was relevant to her message. It was a good message that everyone likes. But if Bill O'Reilly can minimize Michelle Obama's big message, then by God, he will ... and by God, the conservative peas will defend him. Go Lucyg!!!!!!!!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Jul 28, 2016 1:00:06 GMT
In the end, its the SSDD; Dems can do no wrong. Period. End of discussion. Republicans are bad. Period. End of discussion. Not sure why Republicans even bother to try to have a discussion. In the end, I find most of the comments here to be made by ....never mind. Really not worth the aggravation or energy. In the end, I'll vote for Trump, hope he wins and shrug my shoulder at claims of racism directed at me or anyone else. The more the word is flung around the more it loses any ability to shock. Glad to see it finally admitted!!!
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mimima
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Post by mimima on Jul 28, 2016 1:57:33 GMT
(I almost feel like I can't say this here without being called a racist-but while I can't stand Bill O'Reilly, I have read a couple of his books like "Killing Lincoln" that were assigned reading for one kid or another in a class and he isn't a terrible historian. Other than his dislike of anyone that CNN likes, I am not sure he would go off spouting incorrect historical facts. Misguided and misplaced perhaps in how he phrased it in this case...) I read that for Book Club. My goodness was it badly written
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Post by elaine on Jul 28, 2016 2:10:04 GMT
No, actually her point was, "Look how far we've come". There were words before and words that followed. Many are clearly just uninterested in the point she was making. And that's just a damn shame. Because that whole point negates the GOP presidential campaign slogan, "Make America Great Again!" It is a dose of reality that America is much greater now for many groups of people than it was in the "good 'ol days." How dare Michelle Obama point out that Blacks in this country have gone from being slaves to being able to live in the White House that was built using slave, and other, labor.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 28, 2016 2:12:03 GMT
(I almost feel like I can't say this here without being called a racist-but while I can't stand Bill O'Reilly, I have read a couple of his books like "Killing Lincoln" that were assigned reading for one kid or another in a class and he isn't a terrible historian. Other than his dislike of anyone that CNN likes, I am not sure he would go off spouting incorrect historical facts. Misguided and misplaced perhaps in how he phrased it in this case...) I read that for Book Club. My goodness was it badly written It has been a while since I read it, but I don't remember it been anymore egregious than some of the other books that have been assigned. The facts were pretty well on.
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mimima
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Post by mimima on Jul 28, 2016 2:14:17 GMT
I read that for Book Club. My goodness was it badly written It has been a while since I read it, but I don't remember it been anymore egregious than some of the other books that have been assigned. The facts were pretty well on. "The man with a furrowed brow had weeks to live "
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Post by freecharlie on Jul 28, 2016 2:18:48 GMT
It has been a while since I read it, but I don't remember it been anymore egregious than some of the other books that have been assigned. The facts were pretty well on. "The man with a furrowed brow had weeks to live " I haven't read Killing Lincoln, so I can't comment on it, but I think he had a specific audience in mind. One that didn't (doesn't) know a lot about history and would not normally pick up a non-fiction book. I think he tried to make it an easy read with story-telling elements. He did do something similar in the Kennedy book now that I think about it. I think it was his way of helping the reader keep track of time.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 28, 2016 2:19:31 GMT
It has been a while since I read it, but I don't remember it been anymore egregious than some of the other books that have been assigned. The facts were pretty well on. "The man with a furrowed brow had weeks to live " I totally don't remember that.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jul 28, 2016 2:21:13 GMT
maybe I'm not so highbrow as most, but that line doesn't sound ALL that bad, to me. I haven't read any of his books so perhaps a book full of phrases like that might get kind of tiresome... but if it keeps my interest to read about history, that's not necessarily a bad thing.
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