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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 2, 2016 22:12:41 GMT
So Tracie posted to Victoria Marie's facebook page and not her own? VM seemed pissed from her post about it. I wonder what VM thinks about Tracie bringing the drama to VM FB board and not her own. Did you inspire an apology over at VM FB Group? Not long after you added this, the below showed up on VM FB Group....... _________ Tracie Claiborne I just want to publicly apologize to all of you for starting the post here that started the drama there. It was late, I saw a lot of critical comments about Becky Higgins there, it hurt my heart and I vented here, thinking I was among friends. In hindsight, not a good decision. I was just making conversation, I honestly did not realize so many would be so offended and take it personally. My comments obviously struck a nerve there but I realize it was my fault for being naive enough to think I could vent in any online forum, even a closed group. This was not the place to do that. I have apologized to Victoria and now do so to you. I keep my own group drama free and would certainly never want this one be any different because of me. It was just an error in judgement on my part since I am human and very imperfect. I do stand by what I said in my post and I believe their comments have perfectly proved my point but this was the wrong place to make it. Going forward, I'll keep my opinions to my shows which is the proper place for them. Again, my apologies. I adore Victoria and so many of you here. ________ How can someone put so much syrup over there and so much vinegar over here? I get a very #sorrynotsorry vibe from the beginning of her post. She didn't apologize for anything other than the way we took it...which comes off as apolizing for others not for her own words. Am I reading too much into it? |
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Post by Night Owl on Sept 2, 2016 22:28:32 GMT
She is apologizing for bringing drama to her friend's Facebook group but she is still finger wagging at this place and wants the posters there to side with her.  |
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Post by quinmm14 on Sept 2, 2016 22:29:07 GMT
Did you inspire an apology over at VM FB Group? Not long after you added this, the below showed up on VM FB Group....... _________ Tracie Claiborne I just want to publicly apologize to all of you for starting the post here that started the drama there. It was late, I saw a lot of critical comments about Becky Higgins there, it hurt my heart and I vented here, thinking I was among friends. In hindsight, not a good decision. I was just making conversation, I honestly did not realize so many would be so offended and take it personally. My comments obviously struck a nerve there but I realize it was my fault for being naive enough to think I could vent in any online forum, even a closed group. This was not the place to do that. I have apologized to Victoria and now do so to you. I keep my own group drama free and would certainly never want this one be any different because of me. It was just an error in judgement on my part since I am human and very imperfect. I do stand by what I said in my post and I believe their comments have perfectly proved my point but this was the wrong place to make it. Going forward, I'll keep my opinions to my shows which is the proper place for them. Again, my apologies. I adore Victoria and so many of you here. ________ How can someone put so much syrup over there and so much vinegar over here? I get a very #sorrynotsorry vibe from the beginning of her post. She didn't apologize for anything other than the way we took it...which comes off as apolizing for others not for her own words. Am I reading too much into it? I don't usually stick my nose in stuff like this but here I go...  No, you're not. That definitely is an unapologetic apology in my opinion. |
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Post by peagia13 on Sept 2, 2016 22:38:08 GMT
Certainly not now. Wow.
Poop where you eat, much?
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 2, 2016 22:57:25 GMT
Certainly not now. Wow. Poop where you eat, much? She wants to have opinions on opinions she doesn't feel we are entitled to, so why not make assumptions when she accuses us of making assumptions? I feel bad for the people swayed by her playing a victim and purchasing things from her because they feel bad or want to show support. What a bad way to drum up business, especially if those people end up in any of our shoes. |
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Post by QueSeraSera on Sept 2, 2016 23:46:02 GMT
Anyone else getting major martyr vibes from Tracie? She's sorry for how mean people are to her but stands by her judgmental comments. Not sorry for being catty in someone else's "house" and getting called out for it. Okie dokes.
Tracie can try to brush it all off by blaming the messengers for being mean or whatever, but it doesn't make the message any less true.
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 2, 2016 23:55:30 GMT
Anyone else getting major martyr vibes from Tracie? She's sorry for how mean people are to her but stands by her judgmental comments. Not sorry for being catty in someone else's "house" and getting called out for it. Okie dokes. Some people can dish it out but can't take it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 23:58:30 GMT
She wants to have opinions on opinions she doesn't feel we are entitled to, so why not make assumptions when she accuses us of making assumptions? I feel bad for the people swayed by her playing a victim and purchasing things from her because they feel bad or want to show support. What a bad way to drum up business, especially if those people end up in any of our shoes. The best thing about this whole affair is that our posts are here for all to see. So if folks do wander over here to check it out, they will find that the vast majority of the electrons spilled in this topic have been thoughtful criticism of Becky's feed and products. People didn't say anything "horrible" about her as a person or get into ad-hominems. And they spoke about better ways she might want to structure her feed and additional videos/marketing of her HOME products. So, in the end, let the posts speak for themselves. |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 3, 2016 0:11:07 GMT
She wants to have opinions on opinions she doesn't feel we are entitled to, so why not make assumptions when she accuses us of making assumptions? I feel bad for the people swayed by her playing a victim and purchasing things from her because they feel bad or want to show support. What a bad way to drum up business, especially if those people end up in any of our shoes. The best thing about this whole affair is that our posts are here for all to see. So if folks do wander over here to check it out, they will find that the vast majority of the electrons spilled in this topic have been thoughtful criticism of Becky's feed and products. People didn't say anything "horrible" about her as a person or get into ad-hominems. And they spoke about better ways she might want to structure her feed and additional videos/marketing of her HOME products. So, in the end, let the posts speak for themselves. Unfortunately, if they come here immediately defensive on behalf of Tracie, they are more than likely going to see what confirms what they came here expecting to see. Is the term for that 'rose colored lenses' or is that used for only seeing the positive? Doesn't matter, really. Friends are more likely to defend friends and even if it results in what I believe to be the wrong conclusion, I have to give a lot of respect to anyone who defends people they consider friends. Provided it doesn't result in bullying or nasty behavior. I am all for healthy debate. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 3, 2016 0:36:18 GMT
All this Tracie talk has had me humming this song for the past few days. And of course, I misremembered Stacy as Tracy so there go my lyrics accuracy points at our next karaoke party!  |
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Post by JustTricia on Sept 3, 2016 0:52:31 GMT
"I got caught, so I'll say I'm apologizing all while still saying I'm right and every one else is wrong, but I said the word 'sorry' so everyone should be okay. 'Those people' are too stupid to get it anyway. Oh, and I should have left this part out, but I don't tolerate drama on my board so I have to take it somewhere! Here is as good as any because I won't have to take responsibility for it! And I thought you all on this page were my 'friends' / gullible people, but apparently you're tattletales so screw you, too."
Or, was that all in my head?
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Post by sleepingbooty on Sept 3, 2016 1:07:52 GMT
"I got caught, so I'll say I'm apologizing all while still saying I'm right and every one else is wrong, but I said the word 'sorry' so everyone should be okay. 'Those people' are too stupid to get it anyway. Oh, and I should have left this part out, but I don't tolerate drama on my board so I have to take it somewhere! Here is as good as any because I won't have to take responsibility for it! And I thought you all on this page were my 'friends' / gullible people, but apparently you're tattletales so screw you, too." Or, was that all in my head? Nope. My bullsh*t-to-real-talk antennae were buzzing too as I read that. Just a bottle of syrup helps the non-apology go down, the non-apology go down, the non-apology go down.  |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 3, 2016 1:19:08 GMT
"I got caught, so I'll say I'm apologizing all while still saying I'm right and every one else is wrong, but I said the word 'sorry' so everyone should be okay. 'Those people' are too stupid to get it anyway. Oh, and I should have left this part out, but I don't tolerate drama on my board so I have to take it somewhere! Here is as good as any because I won't have to take responsibility for it! And I thought you all on this page were my 'friends' / gullible people, but apparently you're tattletales so screw you, too." Or, was that all in my head? Bahahahahahahaha. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Sept 3, 2016 1:36:40 GMT
ETA: Super classy.
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Post by peagia13 on Sept 3, 2016 3:19:25 GMT
Just an observation.
It's been oddly quiet at
The Scrap Gals since this became a thing.
Crickets quiet.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 3:54:04 GMT
Blech. 110% reinforced my thoughts on what her "true colors" are. I had more typed, but ya know, I'm just deleting it. Too many quality companies and creative minds to follow directly and get inspiration from; I don't have the time (and never intend to) to tolerate her drama.
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Post by paperpilekitten on Sept 3, 2016 10:24:28 GMT
Please, stop bashing Tracie.  It's her choices and her actions and if there are consequences of those, she'll have to deal with it, but I don't think there's any need to keep saying mean things about her here over and over, even if you're upset. Posting constructive criticism and well-reasoned opinions is one thing, but some parts of this thread make me uncomfortable to read so – please, ladies – could we at least try to be ladylike and keep our manners? |
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Post by paperaddict on Sept 5, 2016 19:40:41 GMT
I think that Traci's comments were mean and unfair about the people on this forum. I read all the comments and they were expressing opinions on Becky Higgin's HOME launch and not attacking her personally. Therefore, it is not right to attack us "personally" by calling us "entitled" and "bullying" Becky Higgins. I, also, think that people can keep expressing their opinions about her on this forum because that is what it is for, and if you do not like it then stop reading the thread. Traci vented so let people vent. I like the honesty on this forum.
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Post by mom on Sept 5, 2016 20:52:18 GMT
I think that Traci's comments were mean and unfair about the people on this forum. I read all the comments and they were expressing opinions on Becky Higgin's HOME launch and not attacking her personally. Therefore, it is not right to attack us "personally" by calling us "entitled" and "bullying" Becky Higgins. I, also, think that people can keep expressing their opinions about her on this forum because that is what it is for, and if you do not like it then stop reading the thread. Traci vented so let people vent. I like the honesty on this forum. I agree, completely. Tracey made this extremely personal - not only because she talked about people on this board, but because she chose to personally single me out from her group and question who I was. Pretty personal, if you ask me. |
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Post by peagia13 on Sept 5, 2016 21:07:53 GMT
I think that Traci's comments were mean and unfair about the people on this forum. I read all the comments and they were expressing opinions on Becky Higgin's HOME launch and not attacking her personally. Therefore, it is not right to attack us "personally" by calling us "entitled" and "bullying" Becky Higgins. I, also, think that people can keep expressing their opinions about her on this forum because that is what it is for, and if you do not like it then stop reading the thread. Traci vented so let people vent. I like the honesty on this forum. Tracie posted in another group that she's no longer going to participate in sights that allow anon postings. She didn't mention peas by name but that would be my assumption. I always enjoyed her passion for the hobby but she just flips out anytime anyone says anything less than glowing worship of Becky Higgins. It's really weird. |
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Post by mom on Sept 5, 2016 21:44:54 GMT
Tracie posted in another group that she's no longer going to participate in sights that allow anon postings. She didn't mention peas by name but that would be my assumption.
I always enjoyed her passion for the hobby but she just flips out anytime anyone says anything less than glowing worship of Becky Higgins. It's really weird. Well thats just nuts. Any site can have people post anon. I know people who have 'fake' fb profiles that match their scrappy login names so others can find them on fb. Their real FB profiles are just for family, etc. Every website (SC, SB.com, etc) has people who have different logins from their real name. So she's going to boycott them all? Yeah,ok. I believe that. She really needs to step back, and look at what people are saying and reflect if they could be correct. While some had harsh criticism, others were polite and truthful. Edited to add: so she has been bent out of shape over BH criticism before? That is weird. Are they friends IRL? All I really know of Tracie is what I have heard on her show and read on her group page. I am noticing a disconnect between her 'show personality' and her real personality. Makes me sad, actually. I had enjoyed their show and felt her and Tiffany had a good banter between them. |
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Post by ihaveonly1l on Sept 6, 2016 0:27:26 GMT
Well, I still maintain that if you choose to name your business your name, my expectations for that name fall in line with any other business in the sense of giving feedback and praise/criticism. If "you" (general you) want people to purchase product or classes, yet it's difficult to find inspiration or samples of the style your product or class offers, I'll move on. I may even follow both a personal and a business page by the same person, but if that person's life doesn't appeal to me, yet the product does, I'm not sure why that person wouldn't want me as a customer. Why risk alienating some?
Anyway...I'll move on...
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Post by mom on Sept 6, 2016 0:33:56 GMT
I like Ali's approach: she treats her business like a business. She doesn't gossip on her pages, she doesn't bad mouth people when she thinks no one is around. While I may not agree with her decision to partner with SC - I have super respect for how she deals with the public and customers.
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Post by JustTricia on Sept 6, 2016 1:12:54 GMT
I think that Traci's comments were mean and unfair about the people on this forum. I read all the comments and they were expressing opinions on Becky Higgin's HOME launch and not attacking her personally. Therefore, it is not right to attack us "personally" by calling us "entitled" and "bullying" Becky Higgins. I, also, think that people can keep expressing their opinions about her on this forum because that is what it is for, and if you do not like it then stop reading the thread. Traci vented so let people vent. I like the honesty on this forum. Tracie posted in another group that she's no longer going to participate in sights that allow anon postings. She didn't mention peas by name but that would be my assumption. I always enjoyed her passion for the hobby but she just flips out anytime anyone says anything less than glowing worship of Becky Higgins. It's really weird. She flat out said she didn't post the question to her own group but to Victoria Marie's (is that the name) instead due to the fact that she knew Peas were in her group. She may post under her own name, but she was trying to hide from Peas. What's the difference? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 1:51:20 GMT
I saw her gift wrap by accident on a website I was on - it popped up and I have to say - I actually really like it! That's if I was wrapping multiple gifts for one person - because together the papers work really well, but on their own - they wouldn't be quite as special. Anyway - def not paying $8 a roll.
I remember I once bought my Christmas paper at Papyrus - and I remember feeling deflated afterwards - it's just money down the drain once they are unwrapped. Even though I ooh and ahh over Rifle Paper ever year I don't buy - I promised myself I wouldn't waste money on expensive paper and so far I have kept to that promise. For adults - I'd rather just use brown paper, string and make cute tags. For the kids - standard wrapping paper that is bright and cheerful and rips easily is what they want. I am also wrapping challenged - despite best intentions - my wrapping never looks amazing.
So I don't think I will be buying this paper unless I see it dirt cheap somewhere. However - I'd love those papers in 12 x 12. The blue, yellow and black/white words are lovely and such strong - rich colors. Oh well.
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Post by mrscrafter4 on Sept 6, 2016 2:35:02 GMT
I'm new here so I had to read through all this to figure out what the drama is about. I have always liked Becky Higgins since I exclusively scrap Project Life. I buy pretty much everything she comes out with. It WAS pretty upsetting to see someone say in this thread, "And her skin cancer posts. "I'm not posting my post surgery pics for me, I'm posting for you because I care about you". Yes. Screams fame whore."
I could see how someone who admires her could feel sick about that. Also someone called her narcissistic and someone said people like her make them want to vomit. Someone else said she's lazy, egotistical and condescending. I didn't realize people felt so passionately about scrapbooking. Making it a personal attack is surprising to me. I understand discussing products but I don't agree with discussing people.
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Post by myboysnme on Sept 6, 2016 16:27:20 GMT
I saw her gift wrap by accident on a website I was on - it popped up and I have to say - I actually really like it! That's if I was wrapping multiple gifts for one person - because together the papers work really well, but on their own - they wouldn't be quite as special. Anyway - def not paying $8 a roll. I remember I once bought my Christmas paper at Papyrus - and I remember feeling deflated afterwards - it's just money down the drain once they are unwrapped. I think you kind of have to look at it like a meal in a restaurant. It looks wonderful on the plate, tastes wonderful, but afterwards it's a dirty plate with a hefty bill to follow. You have to have enjoyed the meal, however fleeting on the tongue. |
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Post by myboysnme on Sept 6, 2016 16:32:58 GMT
I'm new here so I had to read through all this to figure out what the drama is about. I have always liked Becky Higgins since I exclusively scrap Project Life. I buy pretty much everything she comes out with. It WAS pretty upsetting to see someone say in this thread, "And her skin cancer posts. "I'm not posting my post surgery pics for me, I'm posting for you because I care about you". Yes. Screams fame whore." I could see how someone who admires her could feel sick about that. Also someone called her narcissistic and someone said people like her make them want to vomit. Someone else said she's lazy, egotistical and condescending. I didn't realize people felt so passionately about scrapbooking. Making it a personal attack is surprising to me. I understand discussing products but I don't agree with discussing people. For the most part this board is exactly what you describe, but an occasional thread of critique and criticism does keep the place honest. We can only talk about where to find adhesive for so long before a good controversy gets things hopping and then back to calm and benign posts.
As for this thread, Tracy was/is one of us and many of us followed her and supported her scrap related endeavors. So having her kind of kick us to the curb when some folks disagreed with her was not taken well. As for me, I enjoy a bit of drama and controversy from time to time, and I hope Tracy considers that this board still has a place in the scrapping world and that she will see value in that, regardless of what some of us think about wrapping paper.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 20:18:57 GMT
I'm new here so I had to read through all this to figure out what the drama is about. I have always liked Becky Higgins since I exclusively scrap Project Life. I buy pretty much everything she comes out with. It WAS pretty upsetting to see someone say in this thread, "And her skin cancer posts. "I'm not posting my post surgery pics for me, I'm posting for you because I care about you". Yes. Screams fame whore." I could see how someone who admires her could feel sick about that. Also someone called her narcissistic and someone said people like her make them want to vomit. Someone else said she's lazy, egotistical and condescending. I didn't realize people felt so passionately about scrapbooking. Making it a personal attack is surprising to me. I understand discussing products but I don't agree with discussing people. Since I'm the one you're talking about (multiple times) I guess I have to respond but I really do stand behind my words so I have no response. Pretty much anyone here that would be sick about my words is an "admirerer" of Beckys, not a friend. THere's a huge difference. She used to be VERY private about her personal life and then voila we get the endless posts about makeup and hair products and anything she can keep herself relevant with and the "PSA" posts about skin cancer didn't come off very authentic. I do have a friend who battled skin cancer (and won) so I do take my skin health very seriously. I don't need the Becky Higgins LLC team to tell me how important checkups are. Ali Edwards has posted similar things about her skin and scary marks. But she was honest about it. She was scared. She shared. She didn't try to brand it as "I'm not worried about me, I have money to fix this. I'm worried about YOU." So, to recap, perhaps fame whore sounds harsh. But I stand behind what I said. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 21:31:05 GMT
I saw her gift wrap by accident on a website I was on - it popped up and I have to say - I actually really like it! That's if I was wrapping multiple gifts for one person - because together the papers work really well, but on their own - they wouldn't be quite as special. Anyway - def not paying $8 a roll. I remember I once bought my Christmas paper at Papyrus - and I remember feeling deflated afterwards - it's just money down the drain once they are unwrapped. I think you kind of have to look at it like a meal in a restaurant. It looks wonderful on the plate, tastes wonderful, but afterwards it's a dirty plate with a hefty bill to follow. You have to have enjoyed the meal, however fleeting on the tongue. Hmmm. I had to smile at the comparison and seriously consider the analogy. I love to cook and have been known in the past (when I was young and living in London no kids....) to drop large amounts on a meal and never looked back. Less likely to do that now because of kids...but I still wouldn't have any regret about spending on a meal. Wrapping paper...still not worth it. |
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