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Post by TracieClaiborne on Aug 31, 2016 18:47:57 GMT
"I got the feeling that because there were so many 'here, here' type comments, no dissent was going to be welcome or appreciated and that if you even tried to defend yourself, you'd be lynched."
That's simply not true. You're making assumptions about me because you THINK you know me and you don't. I was waiting for someone to give me a valid reason that people feel so entitled to an opinion. I never said it was jealousy. I never said this place by name. YOU DID THAT.
Whoever copied and pasted my post here is the person who wanted to start something. That is so juvenile. I was simply having a conversation which is my right. I didn't do it in my group because I know for sure my hater who is the originator of all those hateful things said on the smack blog is in my group. Sometimes I like to post in other groups. That's my right.
You all can jump on me all you want because I dared to have a conversation. That's absurd. It's just absurd. You want to be able to say anything you want but I'm stalked and quoted when I open my mouth. It's absurd.
It's drama for drama's sake.
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Aug 31, 2016 18:50:17 GMT
For the record, I've said the name of this place over and over and quoted things from here because they're interesting. When this place was created, I spent five days messaging people on Facebook and other message boards and asking them to hang out here with all of us.
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Post by QueSeraSera on Aug 31, 2016 18:53:01 GMT
Wow - you all have proved my point today that this place has become too harsh and hateful. I simply started a conversation there among a group of my friends because I read the comments about Becky here and how so many of you think she is doing it all wrong and it just makes me shake my head that people are so opinionated about someone who is just trying to be themselves and do something great in the world. I deleted the thread because it is Victoria's group and I didn't want to be negative there for too long. Say what you want about me, you will anyway. Go for it, be your most awful selves. It changes nothing in my life. I can have an opinion and start a conversation somewhere the same as you. It doesn't have to be here. The conversation wasn't about this place, it was just an observation. scrapaddict702 - I actually agreed with part of what you said but wow, your hatefulness here is just uncalled for. Such a shame. Where did the term "pearl clutcher" originate from? I look at things differently than those of you not involved in the industry. I empathize with people who are content creators and then are overly criticized. If that makes me a horrible person for daring to speak that I felt frustrated over that, then shoot me. A big part of what I do is observing this industry and then conversing about it. Hi Tracie I'm a fan of yours and have donated to your scrap gals and magic memory keepers podcast. I will stop listening now after reading your post about not wanting people like me as a follower. I turned in my Pollyanna suit at work where it's not kosher to have opinions. In my hobby I'm going to have them and I'll be damned if I'll feel guilty for not being positive all the time. I think you're missing the point that upset some of us. I'll just speak for myself - you have very strong opinions about the "right" of someone else to have a strong negative opinion. Your use of "entitled" was what took it from discussion into judgment on your part. I think you need to step back and really look at the tone of your posts. They're quite rude all the while you are chastising others for doing the same thing. Do you really want this all going anonymous on hate blogs again? I personally do not. Not everyone is going to agree with you and how you handled that leaves me puzzled. We're mean so you'll one up us? |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Aug 31, 2016 18:58:06 GMT
Wow - you all have proved my point today that this place has become too harsh and hateful. I simply started a conversation there among a group of my friends because I read the comments about Becky here and how so many of you think she is doing it all wrong and it just makes me shake my head that people are so opinionated about someone who is just trying to be themselves and do something great in the world. I deleted the thread because it is Victoria's group and I didn't want to be negative there for too long. Say what you want about me, you will anyway. Go for it, be your most awful selves. It changes nothing in my life. I can have an opinion and start a conversation somewhere the same as you. It doesn't have to be here. The conversation wasn't about this place, it was just an observation. scrapaddict702 - I actually agreed with part of what you said but wow, your hatefulness here is just uncalled for. Such a shame. Where did the term "pearl clutcher" originate from? I look at things differently than those of you not involved in the industry. I empathize with people who are content creators and then are overly criticized. If that makes me a horrible person for daring to speak that I felt frustrated over that, then shoot me. A big part of what I do is observing this industry and then conversing about it. Hi Tracie I'm a fan of yours and have donated to your scrap gals and magic memory keepers podcast. I will stop listening now after reading your post about not wanting people like me as a follower. I turned in my Pollyanna suit at work where it's not kosher to have opinions. In my hobby I'm going to have them and I'll be damned if I'll feel guilty for not being positive all the time. I think you're missing the point that upset some of us. I'll just speak for myself - you have very strong opinions about the "right" of someone else to have a strong negative opinion. Your use of "entitled" was what took it from discussion into judgment on your part. I think you need to step back and really look at the tone of your posts. They're quite rude all the while you are chastising others for doing the same thing. Do you really want this all going anonymous on hate blogs again? I personally do not. Not everyone is going to agree with you and how you handled that leaves me puzzled. We're mean so you'll one up us? I  you. You are so much more eloquent than I am. This is why I avoid political debates and why I'm not a lawyer.  |
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Post by thracian on Aug 31, 2016 18:59:09 GMT
This speaks for me too.
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Aug 31, 2016 18:59:11 GMT
Wow - you all have proved my point today that this place has become too harsh and hateful. I simply started a conversation there among a group of my friends because I read the comments about Becky here and how so many of you think she is doing it all wrong and it just makes me shake my head that people are so opinionated about someone who is just trying to be themselves and do something great in the world. I deleted the thread because it is Victoria's group and I didn't want to be negative there for too long. Say what you want about me, you will anyway. Go for it, be your most awful selves. It changes nothing in my life. I can have an opinion and start a conversation somewhere the same as you. It doesn't have to be here. The conversation wasn't about this place, it was just an observation. scrapaddict702 - I actually agreed with part of what you said but wow, your hatefulness here is just uncalled for. Such a shame. Where did the term "pearl clutcher" originate from? I look at things differently than those of you not involved in the industry. I empathize with people who are content creators and then are overly criticized. If that makes me a horrible person for daring to speak that I felt frustrated over that, then shoot me. A big part of what I do is observing this industry and then conversing about it. Hi Tracie I'm a fan of yours and have donated to your scrap gals and magic memory keepers podcast. I will stop listening now after reading your post about not wanting people like me as a follower. I turned in my Pollyanna suit at work where it's not kosher to have opinions. In my hobby I'm going to have them and I'll be damned if I'll feel guilty for not being positive all the time. I think you're missing the point that upset some of us. I'll just speak for myself - you have very strong opinions about the "right" of someone else to have a strong negative opinion. Your use of "entitled" was what took it from discussion into judgment on your part. I think you need to step back and really look at the tone of your posts. They're quite rude all the while you are chastising others for doing the same thing. Do you really want this all going anonymous on hate blogs again? I personally do not. Not everyone is going to agree with you and how you handled that leaves me puzzled. We're mean so you'll one up us? Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion as I am mine. |
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Post by QueSeraSera on Aug 31, 2016 19:04:54 GMT
Hi Tracie I'm a fan of yours and have donated to your scrap gals and magic memory keepers podcast. I will stop listening now after reading your post about not wanting people like me as a follower. I turned in my Pollyanna suit at work where it's not kosher to have opinions. In my hobby I'm going to have them and I'll be damned if I'll feel guilty for not being positive all the time. I think you're missing the point that upset some of us. I'll just speak for myself - you have very strong opinions about the "right" of someone else to have a strong negative opinion. Your use of "entitled" was what took it from discussion into judgment on your part. I think you need to step back and really look at the tone of your posts. They're quite rude all the while you are chastising others for doing the same thing. Do you really want this all going anonymous on hate blogs again? I personally do not. Not everyone is going to agree with you and how you handled that leaves me puzzled. We're mean so you'll one up us? Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion as I am mine. Yes you most certainly are. However I'm not trying to have a career in this industry. I think that you should really take a break from posting on this topic. I'm not saying this to be flippant, but trying to get you to recognize that you are truly doing yourself no favors right now. You never know who your listeners or customers are and alienating a bunch at once is just silly. |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Aug 31, 2016 19:11:58 GMT
"I got the feeling that because there were so many 'here, here' type comments, no dissent was going to be welcome or appreciated and that if you even tried to defend yourself, you'd be lynched." That's simply not true. You're making assumptions about me because you THINK you know me and you don't. I was waiting for someone to give me a valid reason that people feel so entitled to an opinion. I never said it was jealousy. I never said this place by name. YOU DID THAT. Whoever copied and pasted my post here is the person who wanted to start something. That is so juvenile. I was simply having a conversation which is my right. I didn't do it in my group because I know for sure my hater who is the originator of all those hateful things said on the smack blog is in my group. Sometimes I like to post in other groups. That's my right. You all can jump on me all you want because I dared to have a conversation. That's absurd. It's just absurd. You want to be able to say anything you want but I'm stalked and quoted when I open my mouth. It's absurd. It's drama for drama's sake. It's not drama for the sake of drama. If someone is being talked about, they have a right to know. Your post was rude and uncalled for (edited to add that I agree one of my responses were as well). I spend a lot of time and money on this hobby and in this industry. You know what entitles me to an opinion? The fact that I spend a lot of time and money on this hobby and in this industry. Oh, and the fact that I'm free to think and form an opinion on anything that I want to form an opinion on. Your argument here basically says that if I buy a class from you and don't like it, that my investment of time and money isn't good enough to say that I don't like it.
Everyone has opinions...even on things they aren't invested in. I opened it up to have a conversation with my response and you chose to delete your post because you got the feedback you wanted (in other words, not mine). Mine was the first disagreeing opinion and then *poof* the post was gone. Yet, it's an assumption on my part that dissenting opinions weren't welcome? Because you got what you needed from your vent in putting others down for having strong opinions about scrapbook companies after you got one response defending the opinions you were putting down? |
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Post by peachiceteas on Aug 31, 2016 19:14:25 GMT
There has to be a reason why the same names pop up on smack blogs and why many people seem to have things to say about the same people. Not all the scrappy 'celebrities' (for lack of a better word) appear on these smack blogs but the same names crop up. I wonder why that is.
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Post by JustTricia on Aug 31, 2016 19:19:56 GMT
Hi Tracie I'm a fan of yours and have donated to your scrap gals and magic memory keepers podcast. I will stop listening now after reading your post about not wanting people like me as a follower. I turned in my Pollyanna suit at work where it's not kosher to have opinions. In my hobby I'm going to have them and I'll be damned if I'll feel guilty for not being positive all the time. I think you're missing the point that upset some of us. I'll just speak for myself - you have very strong opinions about the "right" of someone else to have a strong negative opinion. Your use of "entitled" was what took it from discussion into judgment on your part. I think you need to step back and really look at the tone of your posts. They're quite rude all the while you are chastising others for doing the same thing. Do you really want this all going anonymous on hate blogs again? I personally do not. Not everyone is going to agree with you and how you handled that leaves me puzzled. We're mean so you'll one up us? Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion as I am mine. Here you say the poster is entitled to their opinion but the Facebook post that was quoted was you asking why people feel entitled to have an opinion? Which is it? And why not ask that on this thread originally to get the opinions of the people that are actually posting? By going somewhere else you took this info somewhere else, but don't like that your post was brought here. You can't be upset at someone for doing just what you did. And I'm sorry, unless that FB Group is full of people you have met in real life, they are no more your friends than the people here. They are a group of individuals that share an interest, same as here. |
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Post by craftgirl on Aug 31, 2016 21:35:28 GMT
Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion as I am mine. Yes you most certainly are. However I'm not trying to have a career in this industry. I think that you should really take a break from posting on this topic. I'm not saying this to be flippant, but trying to get you to recognize that you are truly doing yourself no favors right now. You never know who your listeners or customers are and alienating a bunch at once is just silly. YUP.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2016 21:54:13 GMT
Hi Tracie I'm a fan of yours and have donated to your scrap gals and magic memory keepers podcast. I will stop listening now after reading your post about not wanting people like me as a follower. I turned in my Pollyanna suit at work where it's not kosher to have opinions. In my hobby I'm going to have them and I'll be damned if I'll feel guilty for not being positive all the time. I think you're missing the point that upset some of us. I'll just speak for myself - you have very strong opinions about the "right" of someone else to have a strong negative opinion. Your use of "entitled" was what took it from discussion into judgment on your part. I think you need to step back and really look at the tone of your posts. They're quite rude all the while you are chastising others for doing the same thing. Do you really want this all going anonymous on hate blogs again? I personally do not. Not everyone is going to agree with you and how you handled that leaves me puzzled. We're mean so you'll one up us? Well you're certainly entitled to your opinion as I am mine. Well duh. That was the whole point. You didn't think people were entitled to an opinion about Becky unless it was your(butt sniffing ahem). |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Aug 31, 2016 22:17:57 GMT
Someone is dissing on folks here in the Victoria Marie FB Group... Tracie Claiborne 6 hrs ...but I would love to hear opinions on WHY people seem so entitled to their opinion when it comes to famous scrappers.... Oh Noes!!! People feel entitled to their own opinions!??!?!? Oh my heavens. What is the world coming to? It's the scrapocalypse.... Grab your scissors and ruuuuuuuun!  |
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Post by mom on Aug 31, 2016 22:59:57 GMT
I am just going to put this out there:
This is not the first time that posts have been skimmed from this site, and posted to her group and in the process, gossiped and judgements been made about Refupeas. And the thread was started by Tracey, herself.
At the beginning of Aug (on Aug 5, to be exact) Tracey posted about a thread that was in NSBR, where a Pea asked a question about her husband and a friend. Her group then proceeded to make comments and judgements about the Pea.
I know for a fact that the Pea that started the thread, also saw the thread in Traceys group.
Personally, I would have more respect if Tracey had an opinion about things and posted them here, than run and hide and gossip in her group.
Edited to add: My advice? Quit slapping the hands that are feeding you. Surely you recognize that Peas are listeners? You are making it way to easy to hit unsubscribe.
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Post by oaksong on Aug 31, 2016 23:20:24 GMT
Many of us have tried to explain as gently as we could that a personal attack on BH was not the intention, but rather our opinion of her product and brand. Yes, some had very strong opinions of the social media persona that Becky puts out there, but ugh, I couldn't be more disappointed in your reaction, TracieClaiborne . I think your podcast is fun, and your hand lettering is amazing. I haven't been a follower for long, but I just took your advice and unfollowed you.  |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Aug 31, 2016 23:30:13 GMT
At the beginning of Aug (on Aug 5, to be exact) Tracey posted about a thread that was in NSBR, where a Pea asked a question about her husband and a friend. Her group then proceeded to make comments and judgements about the Pea. This reminds me of that girl in highschool who'd have an ear lingering in all the big social groups, picked up on gossip and took it back to her tiny clique just to feed them some external drama for their own entertainment purposes. Mostly hers as it gave her a semblance of Queen Bee status (but really wasn't). Anyhoo, some people pretend to be drama-free and vigorously claim it even when in fact they interpret valid criticism or simple life stories as drama and report them as such, effectively creating what at work we like to call second-hand fires. They use certain debates and their protagonists to serve their own social status (the truth speaker becoming the fair leader because they bring in the information) within their own social circle(s). Of course, in the way things are reported, everything is done to mould the facts to their own version of it. The good ol' saving knight with the pure heart, except they don't charge and face battle but rather ride away on their big white horse to live and tell the tale to those who will listen and nod. The main issue with this type of behaviour is that it cuts off and pollutes the initial source of the "fire" (drama, gossip), leaving a big veil of fog that allows the "truth speaker" to essentially point the finger and accuse without the defendants having any ability to actually defend themselves. To which, as a lover of fair justice, I only have one thing to say: no thanks. I'm not a fan of spin doctors. (Well, actually, I do like the band of this name  ) The fact that those people keep coming back to the social groups/settings they so vehemently criticise and accuse repeatedly (behind those groups' backs) says much more about them and their thirst than about the groups that have allegedly committed socially unacceptable transgressions elsewhere "denounced" by these self-appointed "whistleblowers". |
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Post by wrongwayfeldman on Aug 31, 2016 23:36:37 GMT
I've come back to this thread a few times today, hoping it would take a turn, and I have to chime in. I didn't post on the BH discussion, but I read it. I have an opinion myself about her new product line, but that's irrelevant. It seems to me that Tracie simply participated in a discussion about a topic she is clearly passionate about, noted that in this particular case her opinion was in the minority, took the topic to another scrapbooking group and presented the same topic for discussion, and she is being vilified. She had every right to look for other opinions, whether it's for a different perspective or for clarification or to vent or even to see if someone else had the same opinion she did. Who doesn't do that in their real life? I don't know how many times I have had conversations with friends that are on a different page as me about a particular issue, and I bring up the same subject again with another group that is more like minded as myself. Big deal! We may not know each other in real life, but we're all supposed to be friends here. I have "known" Tracie on this board and through her podcasts for quite some time, and she's about as real as you get. She expresses her opinions, values and considers others' opinions, admits when she's wrong, is fair and respectful, and seems like one of the kindest people out there. She certainly doesn't deserve the hurtful words expressed on this thread. all5ofme I don't know you, but it looks like you created your account simply to call out Tracie on this board. If you read her post on that other forum, why didn't you simply ask her about it there? If you had a problem with her, why are you seemingly hiding behind an anonymous new account only to stir the pot? That seems very hypocritical to me. scrapaddict702 You likely don't care one bit what I think, but what you did was vile and spiteful, and I would be so hurt if someone posted such ugly and hateful things like you did about Tracie. You're entitled to your opinion, but you went entirely too far when you made it personal. You say that you "attempted to add shock value" so she would understand you position. I call BS on that. Your half-hearted apology sounded insincere. You were quick to note that the comments you quoted were not your own, but the fact that you repeated such malicious words makes you just as guilty as the person who said them in the first place. You were hurtful and unkind, and you definitely crossed the line. |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Aug 31, 2016 23:38:46 GMT
I've come back to this thread a few times today, hoping it would take a turn, and I have to chime in. I didn't post on the BH discussion, but I read it. I have an opinion myself about her new product line, but that's irrelevant. It seems to me that Tracie simply participated in a discussion about a topic she is clearly passionate about, noted that in this particular case her opinion was in the minority, took the topic to another scrapbooking group and presented the same topic for discussion, and she is being vilified. She had every right to look for other opinions, whether it's for a different perspective or for clarification or to vent or even to see if someone else had the same opinion she did. Who doesn't do that in their real life? I don't know how many times I have had conversations with friends that are on a different page as me about a particular issue, and I bring up the same subject again with another group that is more like minded as myself. Big deal! We may not know each other in real life, but we're all supposed to be friends here. I have "known" Tracie on this board and through her podcasts for quite some time, and she's about as real as you get. She expresses her opinions, values and considers others' opinions, admits when she's wrong, is fair and respectful, and seems like one of the kindest people out there. She certainly doesn't deserve the hurtful words expressed on this thread. all5ofme I don't know you, but it looks like you created your account simply to call out Tracie on this board. If you read her post on that other forum, why didn't you simply ask her about it there? If you had a problem with her, why are you seemingly hiding behind an anonymous new account only to stir the pot? That seems very hypocritical to me. scrapaddict702 You likely don't care one bit what I think, but what you did was vile and spiteful, and I would be so hurt if someone posted such ugly and hateful things like you did about Tracie. You're entitled to your opinion, but you went entirely too far when you made it personal. You say that you "attempted to add shock value" so she would understand you position. I call BS on that. Your half-hearted apology sounded insincere. You were quick to note that the comments you quoted were not your own, but the fact that you repeated such malicious words makes you just as guilty as the person who said them in the first place. You were hurtful and unkind, and you definitely crossed the line. I'm sorry you feel that way. |
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Post by sleepingbooty on Aug 31, 2016 23:43:07 GMT
It seems to me that Tracie simply participated in a discussion about a topic she is clearly passionate about, noted that in this particular case her opinion was in the minority, took the topic to another scrapbooking group and presented the same topic for discussion, and she is being vilified. I will simply say that this premise is false. She didn't take the general topic elsewhere. She took her opinion of this specific conversation elsewhere while pointing her finger back at Refupeas. That's very different and that's where the criticism of her actions stems from. There would have not been any extra discussion had she started a conversation elsewhere asking how people feel about Becky H.'s Home range launch. That was not the case, at all. |
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Post by QueSeraSera on Aug 31, 2016 23:55:28 GMT
wrongwayfeldman I appreciate what you are saying and you have valid points. I appreciate that you are entitled to your opinion that differs from many here. Brava to you for speaking your truth.  I took issue with the tone that Tracie took in the other forum. It came across to me as very judgmental. It did not appear that she was seeking opinions so much as seeking a forum to condone and applaud her passing judgment on people with opinions she didn't like. How dare anyone have the audacity to feel "entitled" to make negative statements about Becky Higgins or any person making their living in the scrap industry. You cannot say people are entitled to their opinions and then turn around and harshly criticize them for expressing those opinions because you don't like their opinion. I guess you can do that but you'd be a naive not to expect a backlash. It reeks of hypocrisy. Her final note of not wanting "those kinds of people" following her was just wow. This is all just my opinion. Sans rosy shades and all 
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Aug 31, 2016 23:58:33 GMT
It seems to me that Tracie simply participated in a discussion about a topic she is clearly passionate about, noted that in this particular case her opinion was in the minority, took the topic to another scrapbooking group and presented the same topic for discussion, and she is being vilified. I will simply say that this premise is false. She didn't take the general topic elsewhere. She took her opinion of this specific conversation elsewhere while pointing her finger back at Refupeas. That's very different and that's where the criticism of her actions stems from. There would have not been any extra discussion had she started a conversation elsewhere asking how people feel about Becky H.'s Home range launch. That was not the case, at all. That is FALSE. I did not mention this place. I was simply discussing something amongst friends. I didn't realize I was being stalked but I should have. Regarding the convo about the person going out with a male friend, that struck me as funny and I was bored that day. To those who unfollow me, that's for the best because if you would turn on me simply for having an opinion, then we don't see eye to eye. Thank you wrongwayfeldman for attempting to defend me. The mob mentality here has proven time and time again they love to let me have it so I'm used to it. I think this conversation pretty much proved my original point which is if you're in the public eye, people think they can tell you how to act and what to think and how to conduct your business. I do apologize for any offense I caused in that post, I really mean that. It was late when I posted it and I probably could have been more careful about how I worded it. I wasn't aware there was someone with so little to do that they would take time to copy and paste my comments here and create a controversy. Those of you who dislike me will continue to do so no matter what I say and those who have now turned on me, as I said, it's probably for the best. I have created a business and following by having an opinion and discussing our hobby and those who participate. Sometimes people won't agree with me and that's okay. I am not trying to win the world over. I offer a service for free and if you want to listen to my shows, knock yourself out and if you want to buy a class from me....great! If you don't do either, I will still do what I do. |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 1, 2016 0:29:22 GMT
Stalked...members of the same groups. Same difference, right? Also, you created a mob mentality with your post as well, so as long as the mob isn't after you, it's cool, right? I actually read your post in VM's group before I read it here...I went to go copy it and ask opinions and noticed it was already here.
I never disliked you before, but I didn't like your critical ways of shushing people who didn't sugar coat things to your liking and simply avoided anything where you asked for an opinion because I got it pretty clearly the first couple of times you felt the need to address me the way you had that you were only looking for sunshine and rainbows. You brought it to me (and everyone else with an opinion that wasn't praising BH on this thread) when you decided to start that thread. Of course you should expect backlash. This wasn't a private conversation with Tiffany...you posted this in a group with a couple thousand people and expected those here who you disrespected to sit idly by and not call you out for doing exactly what it was that you were accusing us of doing. Your actions were hypocritical.
I will be the first to admit I can be VERY critical. It's not because I dislike anyone, but rather that I have high expectations, especially when it comes to companies that I'm spending a lot of money with. There are several companies I am unlikely to have an ill word regarding because they come across as genuine, release high quality products, and do so with grace and humility. There are several others with whom I've had issues with a product and have had amazing experiences with when it came down to handling those said issues...they are also companies I will speak highly of unless they turn around and change their business practices to not be about putting their customers first.
I am sorry that this blew up the way it did, but you still do not see that you instigated it by feeling the need to refer to this post in a one sided, put down manner. I have no issues owning my actions and the fall out that results from them, but you continue to justify yourself as if it was okay to do because you didn't flat out say it was about this thread. Much like Echo Park's Magical Adventure isn't advertised as Disney themed, but we all know what the collection is meant for.
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Post by Kerri W on Sept 1, 2016 0:34:46 GMT
I think this conversation pretty much proved my original point which is if you're in the public eye, people think they can tell you how to act and what to think and how to conduct your business. People are not telling you how you can act or think. You obviously have the freedom to say what you want. What they are pointing out to you is that there are consequences for your actions. You're not putting *yourself* in a very good light. SaveSave |
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Post by all5ofme on Sept 1, 2016 0:39:27 GMT
all5ofme I don't know you, but it looks like you created your account simply to call out Tracie on this board. If you read her post on that other forum, why didn't you simply ask her about it there? If you had a problem with her, why are you seemingly hiding behind an anonymous new account only to stir the pot? That seems very hypocritical to me. Why didn't I ask her about what? All I wanted to do was point out the fact that it was a post talking about people here, and no, this site wasn't specifically mentioned, but DUH, so obvious. Why did I post it here? Because it would have been deleted elsewhere and it was. Your group or your post, your perogative, but guess what? You can't delete it here. If you don't want the world to see it, then keep it to yourself. It's really that simple. |
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Sept 1, 2016 1:02:46 GMT
And this is exactly what I was referring to in my previous post about criticism in certain groups. I choose not to participate in groups that stifle any criticism and it should go both way for those who don't want to see it. It's select critism in that group. She will criticize Michael's Recollection line, WRMK typewriter, Epson PictureMate printers, remove comments where someone posts an unfavorable opinion about designers of scrapbook lines. Yes, it is her group and she can moderate as she chooses, but it's obvious to me the whole intent behind that scence.... 'defend'/'suck up' to designers so she can try to convince them to be on one of her podcasts. It all boils down to is that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.... all5ofme....can I ask you a sincere question? Why are you in my group if you dislike me so much? Before you say you do not dislike me, please, be honest...you do not copy and paste a conversation with the intent of stirring up trouble unless you dislike the person you are tattling on. It's obvious you are in my group because the WRMK was discussed recently. Are you one of the people who messaged me to see the video? Why are you there when you clearly do not care for me? I am asking you politely to leave my group. Find a group that is owned and managed by someone you like. That's just a better way to live life. I'm sure you won't but I just had to say it and that's all I will say on this because I'm going to do my best to not visit this thread again. I have much more important things to do than defend myself here. I apologized for what I said. I tried to explain myself. Nothing else I can do. Peace out. |
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Post by scrapaddict702 on Sept 1, 2016 1:10:08 GMT
It could also be argued that you do not very poorly disguise an attacking post about a specific conversation from here in a group on facebook without the intent of causing drama and stirring up trouble, as you put it. Because, guess what...the peas are not just on this board. It wouldn't have taken but 2 seconds of clear headed thinking to realize that at least one someone from this forum would be able to see that post. You're not the only one on this board AND in various scrapbook related facebook groups.
For some reason, you seem to think you have some sort of immunity for accepting the consequences of your actions that the rest of us are not privileged to have. Your explanations make little to no logical sense. You post 'how dare people feel entitled to opinions' and then defend your right to have an opinion on those opinions. Either everyone gets to have opinions or no one does.
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Post by mom on Sept 1, 2016 1:17:49 GMT
I know for me, this has been very eye-opening. I went and re-read what Tracey originally said. She stated that she didnt post this in her group because members here are also members there.
Nothing like gossiping about those who respect you.
I admit it: I thought Tracey was nice. Not anymore (and not because she has varying opinions from me. I can respect that).
Nice, respectful people don't gossip about those who they supposedly are friends with. And lets face it: Tracey made her group to feel like we were friends.
Its said when people show you their true colors that you should believe them. I think I will.
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Post by QueSeraSera on Sept 1, 2016 1:21:41 GMT
all5ofme....can I ask you a sincere question? Why are you in my group if you dislike me so much? Before you say you do not dislike me, please, be honest...you do not copy and paste a conversation with the intent of stirring up trouble unless you dislike the person you are tattling on. It's obvious you are in my group because the WRMK was discussed recently. Are you one of the people who messaged me to see the video? Why are you there when you clearly do not care for me? I am asking you politely to leave my group. Find a group that is owned and managed by someone you like. That's just a better way to live life. I'm sure you won't but I just had to say it and that's all I will say on this because I'm going to do my best to not visit this thread again. I have much more important things to do than defend myself here. I apologized for what I said. I tried to explain myself. Nothing else I can do. Peace out. Someone can not agree with your opinion and still like you. The fact that you can't separate the two is probably why you're not getting what people are trying to say to you Tracie. You lit the bomb and instead of owning it, you are deflecting and blaming the person who brought the bomb back here for all to see. You are now making insinuations that someone has to be an unhappy person out to get you to disagree with you on this issue. I don't suffer gossips or martyrs lightly. YOU said it. YOU went there. YOU made snide and judgmental comments. The fact that you thought it was ok because it was "amoung friends" is the issue. |
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Post by QueSeraSera on Sept 1, 2016 1:37:20 GMT
Tracie I just want to add that I love your enthusiasm for the scrapbooking industry. I love your podcasts. I love the dynamic between you and Tiffany. I didn't care for your comments or handling of this event. I know that you have appointed yourself as the voice of the industry with some insider glimpse of the belly of the beast or something. You're just another scrapbooker with an opinion ...just like the rest of us.
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Post by TracieClaiborne on Sept 1, 2016 2:37:00 GMT
You're so right! I am just a scrapper like you all. I have never said otherwise. I actually stand by what I said in the post on that group. I wasn't calling anyone by name like you all are. I was simply saying that a lot of scrapbookers feel very entitled to saying what someone in the industry should or shouldn't do and I wanted to discuss WHY. I stand by those thoughts.
I'm allowed to voice my thoughts and you all don't have to agree with me. I was having a conversation as is my right and it's all of your rights to blast me for it. That's the beauty of life - we all get to agree or disagree. If you don't listen to my free podcasts that I pay out of my pocket to host then it's okay with me. Don't buy my classes, others will. I will keep on doing what I do.
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you. You are so much more eloquent than I am.
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