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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 22:55:50 GMT
Omg. I posted the audio from the radio show interview that Tom Baurle did. Some people don't like /can't listen to audio so I posted the info fromAJ's site. No one liked to Canadian free press link I posted before. Bottom line, a local radio show host interviewed a named source (what everyone wanted, right?) about Hillary's behavior in the White House and her using the N word. My apologies for not vetting the subsequent narratives properly. I still think she's evil. I believe it and I thank you for posting this Snowsilver and posting about it Anmore. I think you're going to have to give up on trying to convince any of the other Hillary supporters on here about any of Hillary's wrong doings. They have drank the kool aid and have blocked their ears singing, "Da de da, we can't hear you". They adamantly refuse to believe anything negative about her. First they'll play the woman card-done that. Then they'll use any other excuses starting with-everyone else has done it so that makes it okay, and so on. If a person (Hillary and the DNC) can commit fraud during the primaries (which by the way has been proven) and still have folks supporting her (which shocks me) well, I don't think we'll ever change their minds. But keeping posting, because I and all of the other anti Hillary people on here want to see it, read about it and hear about it. Like MizIndependent and several others I can't remember the names of right now. I am far from a Hillary supporter. My comments have been about anmore's completely non-credible sources and nothing else. |
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Post by elaine on Oct 17, 2016 22:58:12 GMT
What they said. I don't think this would be an issue if she were a man. A million times THIS.
I'll see you a million and raise you one. I said this last time there were complaints about how Hillary treated the staff. There is a wealth of research supporting gender differences in how bosses' behavior is perceived. Things that wouldn't warrant a second thought when done by a man, were seen as strong negatives when the boss was a woman. For example, "thank you's" are expected from women in power for completion of any task completed, but not from male bosses. Hillary has NEVER been a warm and fuzzy person. If she was a man, her lack of social pleasantries wouldn't be an issue - just look at her opponent. |
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Post by birukitty on Oct 17, 2016 23:00:47 GMT
I believe it and I thank you for posting this Snowsilver and posting about it Anmore. I think you're going to have to give up on trying to convince any of the other Hillary supporters on here about any of Hillary's wrong doings. They have drank the kool aid and have blocked their ears singing, "Da de da, we can't hear you". They adamantly refuse to believe anything negative about her. First they'll play the woman card-done that. Then they'll use any other excuses starting with-everyone else has done it so that makes it okay, and so on. If a person (Hillary and the DNC) can commit fraud during the primaries (which by the way has been proven) and still have folks supporting her (which shocks me) well, I don't think we'll ever change their minds. But keeping posting, because I and all of the other anti Hillary people on here want to see it, read about it and hear about it. Like MizIndependent and several others I can't remember the names of right now. I am far from a Hillary supporter. My comments have been about anmore's completely non-credible sources and nothing else. What was wrong with the radio show? Do you suggest that is non-credible too? |
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Post by elaine on Oct 17, 2016 23:05:38 GMT
Alex Jones is also a truther and a birther. Do you agree with him that the government was "in" on 9/11 and covered it up as well?  No, I believe Hillary is evil. I believe She used her positions to influence the IRS re: UBS financial. I believe she went after Bill's girlfriends. I believe the Clinton foundation benefited from her position as SOS. I believe the email dumps from Wikileaks. Just to play devil's advocate, if that WAS true, why is it a problem? The Clintons don't benefit financially from the Foundation, the funds, except for a very small amount for overhead, all go,to charitable endeavors. It is a top rated charity. Is acting like a Christian and helping the needy globally a sign of evil now? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 23:07:44 GMT
I am far from a Hillary supporter. My comments have been about anmore's completely non-credible sources and nothing else. What was wrong with the radio show? Do you suggest that is non-credible too? If he's using the same sources as the pp that linked them, then yes. Other than that, I have not done any research on the radio guy. I don't have enough info to have an opinion on whether or not I believe that HRC used the N-word to White House or government staff. That wasn't even the issue in the OP. My first guess would be doubtful, but she's spent a lot of time in Arkansas, so who knows. My comments in this thread have been strictly about sketchy sources, and not falling prey to them and the pundits. Nothing else. No matter how much anyone tries to turn or twist them in another direction. |
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Post by flute4peace on Oct 17, 2016 23:08:48 GMT
I'm sorry, but I reserve the term evil for folks who truly are. The things you've referenced here may be (or may not be) illegal or unethical, but I really feel they're a far cry from true evil.
Google BTK. THAT's evil.
Your opinion carries the same weight as mine. **trigger warning, leaving space before my answer in case anyone feels they shouldn't read it**
Fair enough. But I'd still much prefer to meet someone - don't really care if they lean right or left or forward or backward or stand on their head - such as you described, in a dark alley than someone like this:
Dennis Lynn Rader (born March 9, 1945) is an American serial killer who murdered ten people in Sedgwick County, Kansas, between 1974 and 1991.
He is also known as the BTK Killer or the BTK Strangler. "BTK" stands for "Bind, Torture, Kill", which was his infamous signature. He sent letters describing the details of the killings to police and local news outlets during the interval when the murders happened.
After a hiatus in the 1990s to the early 2000s, Rader resumed sending letters in 2004, leading to his 2005 arrest and subsequent guilty plea. He is currently serving 10 consecutive life sentences at El Dorado Correctional Facility in Kansas
Here's the full link, in case you need some light reading. Oh - and the source is legit, but if you still don't think it's enough, I know some of the people who were connected to this case. It's all true. I'm sure you can find video coverage of his day-long confession, in which he described each crime in graphic detail. I'm not looking for it though, once is enough.
I guess my point in all this is, I truly hope that your description of evil will be the worst you have to deal with in your lifetime. No doubt the families of these victims wish they could say the same.
Sorry for being crass, apparently you hit a nerve 
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Post by flute4peace on Oct 17, 2016 23:12:40 GMT
And just for the record, I don't think Trump is evil, either. He's a vile, narcissistic asshole excuse of a man, who is accused of doing some awful things, but he's not evil by my definition.
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Post by AmandaA on Oct 17, 2016 23:20:02 GMT
I look forward to after this campaign when the detail that got assigned to Trump starts sharing stories. I imagine there will be some interesting reading there  |
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Post by Tamhugh on Oct 17, 2016 23:53:56 GMT
Here's the thing. I personally know two different people who have worked with HRC in close proximity over the years. One will tell you she is a snooty bitch who thinks she is better than anyone else and would never vote for her. The other one thought she was great to work with, very driven, and motivating to her staff. Is one of them wrong and the other one right? Nope. They both just had different experiences with the same person.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 23:54:58 GMT
Alex Jones is also a truther and a birther. Do you agree with him that the government was "in" on 9/11 and covered it up as well? No, I believe Hillary is evil. I believe She used her positions to influence the IRS re: UBS financial. I believe she went after Bill's girlfriends. I believe the Clinton foundation benefited from her position as SOS. I believe the email dumps from Wikileaks. You know if the Foundation did benefit from Hillary being Secretary of State I say good. The Foundation has a solid record of making sure the poor in third world countries get clean water and HIV drugs. If a meeting with a US Secretary of State get some to donate that will help the poor then our State Department needs to do more of it. I'm all for of it. As to the rest. I do not believe you really understand what true evil is. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2016 23:59:00 GMT
No, I have explained my citations several times. I fully expected the chef to be discredited, not me, lol. Again only the left leaning opinions are allowed? I missed that. You're seriously going to resort to butt-hurt hyperbole? Where did anyone say that only left-leaning opinions are allowed? You need to learn how to critically evaluate the "media" you are exposing yourself to. You've proven that over and over again in this thread. I am not butt hurt in the least. Just engaging in political banter. |
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Post by secondlife on Oct 18, 2016 0:02:05 GMT
Here's the thing. I personally know two different people who have worked with HRC in close proximity over the years. One will tell you she is a snooty bitch who thinks she is better than anyone else and would never vote for her. The other one thought she was great to work with, very driven, and motivating to her staff. Is one of them wrong and the other one right? Nope. They both just had different experiences with the same person. I have a similar experience. One interned in her campaign office, and another was on the team that sets up secure phone communications when she travels. One of them stayed on her team her entire tenure and says she is tough as nails but not abjectly horrible. The other, well, we all mesh differently with different people. I worked on Bill's campaign in Pennsylvania and had only positive experiences. But he was on the trail and I was in an office so it wasn't super close proximity. I'm not naive enough to think either of these are the sum total of who these people are. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 0:03:56 GMT
Honey don't lecture. It's not your message board. I was posting quickly from work. I will take care to post slower in the future. You're taking this way too personally. This isn't personal at all. It's about your inability, or maybe unwillingness, to distinguish fact from opinion. Not taking it personally at all. Thank you for your concern though. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 0:10:24 GMT
No, I believe Hillary is evil. I believe She used her positions to influence the IRS re: UBS financial. I believe she went after Bill's girlfriends. I believe the Clinton foundation benefited from her position as SOS. I believe the email dumps from Wikileaks. Just to play devil's advocate, if that WAS true, why is it a problem? The Clintons don't benefit financially from the Foundation, the funds, except for a very small amount for overhead, all go,to charitable endeavors. It is a top rated charity. Is acting like a Christian and helping the needy globally a sign of evil now? It's not ethical. She helped UBS get out of an IRS situation regarding investor identities. www.wsj.com/articles/ubs-deal-shows-clintons-complicated-ties-1438223492I hope the WSJ source is acceptable. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 0:11:02 GMT
You're taking this way too personally. This isn't personal at all. It's about your inability, or maybe unwillingness, to distinguish fact from opinion. Not taking it personally at all. Thank you for your concern though. You're welcome. It's warranted. Save |
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Oct 18, 2016 0:19:21 GMT
I haven't read all the comments, just the OP. One of my best friends is a special agent for the State Dept. and was previously on HRC's security detail and traveled with her for 3 months. He does not agree with what was posted in the OP. He's currently serving overseas and the puppy that is currently sleeping on my bed was flown to me by his trailing spouse (wife), who is rescuing dogs where they live. They're pretty cool peeps and I've seen them comment many times how cool HRC is too.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 0:37:54 GMT
Alex Jones is also a truther and a birther. Do you agree with him that the government was "in" on 9/11 and covered it up as well? pierogi You forgot that he also thinks that the 20 children and four adults killed at Sandy Hook was all a conspiracy by the U.S. Government and it never happened.
For someone to use Infowars as a credible site is completely laughable and woefully ignorant.
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Post by elaine on Oct 18, 2016 0:45:35 GMT
Just to play devil's advocate, if that WAS true, why is it a problem? The Clintons don't benefit financially from the Foundation, the funds, except for a very small amount for overhead, all go,to charitable endeavors. It is a top rated charity. Is acting like a Christian and helping the needy globally a sign of evil now? It's not ethical. She helped UBS get out of an IRS situation regarding investor identities. www.wsj.com/articles/ubs-deal-shows-clintons-complicated-ties-1438223492I hope the WSJ source is acceptable. I can't see the article without paying a subscription fee. Why would the Secretary of State have influence over the IRS? I'm still missing the connection between raising money for a charitable organization with no personal gain and being evil? Even if there were questionable ethics, and I don't know since I can't see the story, I'm not sure that qualifies as "evil." If that is your definition, I'm sure most people in your life have committed one less-than-ethical act in their lives, and therefore all evil. You are surrounded by it. If there were unethical strings being pulled, calling Hillary "unethical" would seem appropriate. The calling her "evil" is jumping into hyperbolic hypocritical territory, unless you also go around the family dinner table on Thanksgiving and point out how evil each person sitting there is. |
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Post by elaine on Oct 18, 2016 0:45:45 GMT
Double post
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Post by flute4peace on Oct 18, 2016 1:35:57 GMT
You're seriously going to resort to butt-hurt hyperbole? Where did anyone say that only left-leaning opinions are allowed? You need to learn how to critically evaluate the "media" you are exposing yourself to. You've proven that over and over again in this thread. I am not butt hurt in the least. Just engaging in political banter. No. No you're not. You're disrespecting the true victims of evil by calling her that - even more-so by then calling it "just political banter" as if it were the evening's entertainment. I'm sure you didn't realize it, but I do hope you learn from it. |
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Post by lucillebluth on Oct 18, 2016 2:15:50 GMT
For YOUR sake, you need to move away from the pundits. They're getting people all cult-like with the conspiracy theories and MSM is evil claims. Seriously, vet your sources. I have no problem with Tom Baurle. He's been on local radio for 30 years. He grew up in the same town. You don't like AJ or CFP. Fine. There is audio from a named wh employee. Didn't someone ask for a name ? I've never heard of him. A quick google search indicates that he just might be a loon: Daily News
I highly doubt that Hillary Clinton would have used the n-word in front of this "traveling chef," and no one else has heard her use it then, before, or since. On the subject of the OP, I have no doubt that Hillary Clinton can be a tough, demanding person to work with. As others have written, so what? I'm pretty sure the small businesses stiffed by Trump find him pretty "contemptuous." |
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Post by Zee on Oct 18, 2016 2:23:29 GMT
I haven't read all the comments, just the OP. One of my best friends is a special agent for the State Dept. and was previously on HRC's security detail and traveled with her for 3 months. He does not agree with what was posted in the OP. He's currently serving overseas and the puppy that is currently sleeping on my bed was flown to me by his trailing spouse (wife), who is rescuing dogs where they live. They're pretty cool peeps and I've seen them comment many times how cool HRC is too. You're adding dogs to the mix? |
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Oct 18, 2016 3:22:55 GMT
If the sites you have listed are examples of what you have been reading then I'm not surprised that you think she is evil. No, I have explained my citations several times. I fully expected the chef to be discredited, not me, lol. Again only the left leaning opinions are allowed? I missed that. We aren't asking for opinion. We are asking for facts. Present some to support your assertions of fact from CREDIBLE news sites, that have editorial standards.
Alex Jones of inforwars is a known alt-right NUT.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 18, 2016 3:28:52 GMT
I'm sorry, but I reserve the term evil for folks who truly are. The things you've referenced here may be (or may not be) illegal or unethical, but I really feel they're a far cry from true evil.
Google BTK. THAT's evil.
Your opinion carries the same weight as mine. An opinion based on facts not hyperbole carries a whole lot more weight. |
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Oct 18, 2016 3:30:00 GMT
Oh, like the NYT, which even other news agencies are calling a Tabloid? Or maybe CNN (the Clinton News Network)?
Sadly, in this country there are no CREDIBLE news sites anymore. Just ones that you like because they support your belief and ones you don't like because they don't.
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Post by trollie on Oct 18, 2016 4:16:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 4:21:52 GMT
Oh, like the NYT, which even other news agencies are calling a Tabloid? Lauren, can you expound on this? Who's calling the NYT a tabloid? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 4:45:49 GMT
I am far from a Hillary supporter. My comments have been about anmore's completely non-credible sources and nothing else. What was wrong with the radio show? Do you suggest that is non-credible too? After reading more about Tom Bauerle (the link above and in this one: link) Yes, I suggest he/his show is non-credible. Save |
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Oct 18, 2016 5:45:34 GMT
Oh, like the NYT, which even other news agencies are calling a Tabloid? Or maybe CNN (the Clinton News Network)? Sadly, in this country there are no CREDIBLE news sites anymore. Just ones that you like because they support your belief and ones you don't like because they don't.
I trust these sources:
Washington Post The Globe The LA Times The Christian Science Monitor The New York Times Chicago Tribune Cleveland Plain-Dealer The Atlantic Bloomberg News Mother Jones
I have more, but that's a good start.
Do they make the occasional error? Yes, but then they print retractions and admit their errors.
Who calls the NYT a tabloid?? Fox News?? Inforwars? Breitbart?? 
My general rule of thumb, is always go to the primary source of any news story.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Oct 18, 2016 10:42:03 GMT
I haven't read all the comments, just the OP. One of my best friends is a special agent for the State Dept. and was previously on HRC's security detail and traveled with her for 3 months. He does not agree with what was posted in the OP. He's currently serving overseas and the puppy that is currently sleeping on my bed was flown to me by his trailing spouse (wife), who is rescuing dogs where they live. They're pretty cool peeps and I've seen them comment many times how cool HRC is too. You're adding dogs to the mix? My house is just one stop on the Underground Railroad we seem to have created for puppies escaping from certain death. This is the 8th one I've taken in and found a new home for. She just got here a week ago. I'm fresh outta homes but still working on it. |
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