Dalai Mama
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Post by Dalai Mama on Oct 18, 2016 11:15:04 GMT
Regarding the white nationalist site - that was a whoops. I was looking for the narrative of the interview. I should have checked that site more thoroughly. I was shocked it wasn't blocked at work since we have some strong filters and I can't even get on Pinterest or my gmail on the work computer. And Canada Free Press is your alternate? SMH.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 11:48:09 GMT
I am not butt hurt in the least. Just engaging in political banter. No. No you're not. You're disrespecting the true victims of evil by calling her that - even more-so by then calling it "just political banter" as if it were the evening's entertainment. I'm sure you didn't realize it, but I do hope you learn from it. I was entertained. More exciting than the FASFAs I was working on. 😊
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Oct 18, 2016 12:04:29 GMT
Oh, like the NYT, which even other news agencies are calling a Tabloid? Lauren, can you expound on this? Who's calling the NYT a tabloid? No, I can't point you to it. I just know more than once I've seen the NYT likened to the National Enquirer.
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 18, 2016 12:14:35 GMT
Oh, like the NYT, which even other news agencies are calling a Tabloid? Lauren, can you expound on this? Who's calling the NYT a tabloid? Those who don't agree with them 
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Oct 18, 2016 12:14:49 GMT
Oh, like the NYT, which even other news agencies are calling a Tabloid? Or maybe CNN (the Clinton News Network)? Sadly, in this country there are no CREDIBLE news sites anymore. Just ones that you like because they support your belief and ones you don't like because they don't.
I trust these sources:
Washington Post The Globe The LA Times The Christian Science Monitor The New York Times Chicago Tribune Cleveland Plain-Dealer The Atlantic Bloomberg News Mother Jones
I have more, but that's a good start.
Do they make the occasional error? Yes, but then they print retractions and admit their errors.
My general rule of thumb, is always go to the primary source of any news story. In fact, my research shows that only the Bloomberg News and the Globe are a mix of Conservative and liberal leanings.
So, the bulk of the news you rely on is liberal leaning.
As I said, there really is no longer any CREDIBLE, fact based news reporting agency out there anymore. The news we get is slanted.
Business Insider calls Mother Jones one of the top 5 liberal media out there. And Bloomberg itself conducted a study in which it found the NYT to be a liberal new reporting agency.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 13:52:55 GMT
Lauren, can you expound on this? Who's calling the NYT a tabloid? No, I can't point you to it. I just know more than once I've seen the NYT likened to the National Enquirer. Ok, thanks. 
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grinningcat
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Post by grinningcat on Oct 18, 2016 13:58:26 GMT
Regarding the white nationalist site - that was a whoops. I was looking for the narrative of the interview. I should have checked that site more thoroughly. I was shocked it wasn't blocked at work since we have some strong filters and I can't even get on Pinterest or my gmail on the work computer. And Canada Free Press is your alternate? SMH. That was my reaction to that choice. As for the subject at hand, I guarantee that this wouldn't be even the tiniest blip on anyone's radar if Clinton was a man. And for that matter, why is it that everyone seems to call Donald Trump "Trump", as one should unless they have a personal relationship, but so many refer to Hilary Clinton as "Hilary"? I doubt few, if any, of the people calling her Hilary instead of using the proper "Clinton" if one is not using the full name has a personal relationship with her. This seems like an extraordinary double standard... kind of like the whining that Mrs. Clinton does not treat her staff appropriately. Have we checked the behaviour of every other person with Secret Service protection? I doubt they are all angels and she's the only one allegedly misbehaving.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 14:10:25 GMT
And for that matter, why is it that everyone seems to call Donald Trump "Trump", as one should unless they have a personal relationship, but so many refer to Hilary Clinton as "Hilary"? I doubt few, if any, of the people calling her Hilary instead of using the proper "Clinton" if one is not using the full name has a personal relationship with her. This seems like an extraordinary double standard... meh. It could also be that since there's also been so much focus on Bill Clinton, people type Hillary to avoid being questioned on which Clinton they're referring to, instead of having to type out Hillary Clinton every time. Her campaign stuff is all H/Hillary etc., not just Clinton. I'm not saying that she's not getting an extra ration of shit b/c she's a woman, but I also don't think that needs to be the standard fallback.
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peppermintpatty
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Post by peppermintpatty on Oct 18, 2016 14:11:58 GMT
I concurr, so what? Find me a woman in a very high level position that isn't a bitch some of the time. Hell, find me a woman who is never a bitch.
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happymomma
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Post by happymomma on Oct 18, 2016 14:38:55 GMT
And for that matter, why is it that everyone seems to call Donald Trump "Trump", as one should unless they have a personal relationship, but so many refer to Hilary Clinton as "Hilary"? I doubt few, if any, of the people calling her Hilary instead of using the proper "Clinton" if one is not using the full name has a personal relationship with her. This seems like an extraordinary double standard... meh. It could also be that since there's also been so much focus on Bill Clinton, people type Hillary to avoid being questioned on which Clinton they're referring to, instead of having to type out Hillary Clinton every time. Her campaign stuff is all H/Hillary etc., not just Clinton. I'm not saying that she's not getting an extra ration of shit b/c she's a woman, but I also don't think that needs to be the standard fallback. I noticed Michelle Obama called her Hillary throughout her recent speech so I'm guessing it must not bother Hillary Clinton.
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Post by anonrefugee on Oct 18, 2016 15:00:22 GMT
meh. It could also be that since there's also been so much focus on Bill Clinton, people type Hillary to avoid being questioned on which Clinton they're referring to, instead of having to type out Hillary Clinton every time. Her campaign stuff is all H/Hillary etc., not just Clinton. I'm not saying that she's not getting an extra ration of shit b/c she's a woman, but I also don't think that needs to be the standard fallback. I noticed Michelle Obama called her Hillary throughout her recent speech so I'm guessing it must not bother Hillary Clinton. Look at their branding. It's how they've chosen to protray themselves. Hillary was likely chosen because "some" people felt she was cold or distant, a first name is more warm and personal. Trump- well, we know how he puts his name on everything. I agree @ilovecookies, not everything is sexist bigotry.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 18, 2016 15:12:50 GMT
I'm one of the guilty parties. Trump and Hillary. Calling her Hillary instead of Clinton distinguishes her from Bill, and I think she has encouraged that nomenclature with her branding.
Besides, I feel like she's been around a long time and I know her well. ha haha
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Oct 18, 2016 15:19:15 GMT
No. No you're not. You're disrespecting the true victims of evil by calling her that - even more-so by then calling it "just political banter" as if it were the evening's entertainment. I'm sure you didn't realize it, but I do hope you learn from it. I was entertained. More exciting than the FASFAs I was working on. 😊 So you're confirming that you find entertainment in disrespecting and making light of people who have been affected by true evil. Got it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 15:25:27 GMT
Drama Queen.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 18, 2016 15:41:56 GMT
Who supposedly sent this hacked email?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 18, 2016 15:49:01 GMT
I'll stand beside you, sharing your concern. Me too, you can all you need to know about someone by the way they treat those who serve them. Wait staff, security detail. The problem here is that the source is not credible.
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grinningcat
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Post by grinningcat on Oct 18, 2016 16:33:49 GMT
meh. It could also be that since there's also been so much focus on Bill Clinton, people type Hillary to avoid being questioned on which Clinton they're referring to, instead of having to type out Hillary Clinton every time. Her campaign stuff is all H/Hillary etc., not just Clinton. I'm not saying that she's not getting an extra ration of shit b/c she's a woman, but I also don't think that needs to be the standard fallback. I noticed Michelle Obama called her Hillary throughout her recent speech so I'm guessing it must not bother Hillary Clinton. I believe the Obamas and the Clintons have a personal relationship, thus Mrs. Obama would be justified in using Mrs. Clinton's first name in a speech. My point is that proper form is to use formal names if someone does not have a close relationship or permission to use Mrs. Clinton's first name. And you are right, it may not bother Mrs. Clinton, however it is poor form to use her first name but use Trump's last name. It should be the same for both.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Oct 18, 2016 16:40:37 GMT
Lauren, can you expound on this? Who's calling the NYT a tabloid? No, I can't point you to it. I just know more than once I've seen the NYT likened to the National Enquirer. No doubt by an alt-right nutter or someone whose questionable activities were exposed by the NYT.
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Anita
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Post by Anita on Oct 18, 2016 16:57:31 GMT
And for that matter, why is it that everyone seems to call Donald Trump "Trump", as one should unless they have a personal relationship, but so many refer to Hilary Clinton as "Hilary"? I doubt few, if any, of the people calling her Hilary instead of using the proper "Clinton" if one is not using the full name has a personal relationship with her. This seems like an extraordinary double standard... kind of like the whining that Mrs. Clinton does not treat her staff appropriately. Have we checked the behaviour of every other person with Secret Service protection? I doubt they are all angels and she's the only one allegedly misbehaving. Thank you! I have been bitching about this the entire election. It feels totally sexist to me.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 18, 2016 17:11:59 GMT
Lauren, can you expound on this? Who's calling the NYT a tabloid? No, I can't point you to it. I just know more than once I've seen the NYT likened to the National Enquirer. That doesn't mean it's true.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Oct 18, 2016 17:15:09 GMT
I'm one of the guilty parties. Trump and Hillary. Calling her Hillary instead of Clinton distinguishes her from Bill, and I think she has encouraged that nomenclature with her branding. Besides, I feel like she's been around a long time and I know her well. ha haha It annoys the crap out of Donald to be called Donald. SO I try and USE Donald whenever I can.
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Oct 18, 2016 17:26:27 GMT
I assume this is directed at me.
If standing up for the feelings of victims of true evil makes me a drama queen, then I proudly accept the title.
I would much rather error on the side of being too compassionate, than the opposite.
As I stated earlier, I truly hope you don't have to experience real evil in your lifetime. Nobody deserves to be subjected to that. Nobody.
Just for the record, this has absolutely nothing to do with politics for me. It's about human decency.
Carry on...
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flute4peace
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Post by flute4peace on Oct 18, 2016 17:26:59 GMT
I'm one of the guilty parties. Trump and Hillary. Calling her Hillary instead of Clinton distinguishes her from Bill, and I think she has encouraged that nomenclature with her branding. Besides, I feel like she's been around a long time and I know her well. ha haha It annoys the crap out of Donald to be called Donald. SO I try and USE Donald whenever I can. Well of course it does! He's THE Donald, dontchaknow
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 18, 2016 17:38:13 GMT
I'm one of the guilty parties. Trump and Hillary. Calling her Hillary instead of Clinton distinguishes her from Bill, and I think she has encouraged that nomenclature with her branding. Besides, I feel like she's been around a long time and I know her well. ha haha It annoys the crap out of Donald to be called Donald. SO I try and USE Donald whenever I can. I noticed that Hillary calls him Donald during the debates as well. I think it was more noticeable because we don't hear people call him that often.
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Oct 18, 2016 17:43:31 GMT
No, I can't point you to it. I just know more than once I've seen the NYT likened to the National Enquirer. No doubt by an alt-right nutter or someone whose questionable activities were exposed by the NYT. Yeah, that must be it.
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tincin
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Post by tincin on Oct 18, 2016 17:51:02 GMT
And for that matter, why is it that everyone seems to call Donald Trump "Trump", as one should unless they have a personal relationship, but so many refer to Hilary Clinton as "Hilary"? I doubt few, if any, of the people calling her Hilary instead of using the proper "Clinton" if one is not using the full name has a personal relationship with her. This seems like an extraordinary double standard... kind of like the whining that Mrs. Clinton does not treat her staff appropriately. Have we checked the behaviour of every other person with Secret Service protection? I doubt they are all angels and she's the only one allegedly misbehaving. Thank you! I have been bitching about this the entire election. It feels totally sexist to me. Sitting on this bench too.
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Post by secondlife on Oct 18, 2016 18:02:37 GMT
No doubt by an alt-right nutter or someone whose questionable activities were exposed by the NYT. Yeah, that must be it. Whatever the source, it's incorrect. The NYT is one of the longest running dailies in the country and has won more Pulitzers than anyone else. It's too liberal for lots of people's taste, but it's a very legitimate paper with a good reputation. As sources go, it's a fairly reliable one in the grand scheme of things. I know they kind of gave Trump the finger last week in response to his cease and desist, so there's that though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 18:29:23 GMT
And for that matter, why is it that everyone seems to call Donald Trump "Trump", as one should unless they have a personal relationship, but so many refer to Hilary Clinton as "Hilary"? I doubt few, if any, of the people calling her Hilary instead of using the proper "Clinton" if one is not using the full name has a personal relationship with her. This seems like an extraordinary double standard... kind of like the whining that Mrs. Clinton does not treat her staff appropriately. Have we checked the behaviour of every other person with Secret Service protection? I doubt they are all angels and she's the only one allegedly misbehaving. If you go to their respective sites, and click on their shops, Clinton items have a lot of her first name on them. Trump items are all Trump or Trump/Pence. I think Hillary Clinton is ok with being known as simply Hillary...kind of like Cher or Madonna. Soon, she'll be known as Madam President!!!
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Post by papercrafteradvocate on Oct 18, 2016 18:34:48 GMT
I noticed Michelle Obama called her Hillary throughout her recent speech so I'm guessing it must not bother Hillary Clinton. I believe the Obamas and the Clintons have a personal relationship, thus Mrs. Obama would be justified in using Mrs. Clinton's first name in a speech. My point is that proper form is to use formal names if someone does not have a close relationship or permission to use Mrs. Clinton's first name. And you are right, it may not bother Mrs. Clinton, however it is poor form to use her first name but use Trump's last name. It should be the same for both. I get it. When I see local news reports, the anchors always say Obama, not President Obama. It stopped at Bush, apparently!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 18:49:19 GMT
I don't think Hillary minds being called by her first name. I either refer to her as Hillary or HRC
Her opponent....I think calling him by his first name is too nice....I prefer piece of shit or prick and when I'm feeling nicer toward him, which isn't often, then it's Heir Trump (play on words...that he inherited his money and in reference to the moniker Herr AND hair). Childish? Immature? sure...maybe but what's more important to me, I give zero fucks what people think.
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