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Post by flanz on Oct 21, 2016 4:39:41 GMT
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Post by papersilly on Oct 21, 2016 5:10:43 GMT
Trump killed the spirit of the event with some (most) of his comments. It wasn't funny. It was pathetic and he deserved to be booed. You can tell they both hate each other. It's not spirited rivalry as with past candidates. They simply hate each other and you can tell. It just made for an awkward event.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 5:18:13 GMT
I only heard hers but found it cringe-worthy.
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Post by papersilly on Oct 21, 2016 5:26:27 GMT
I only heard hers but found it cringe-worthy. Listen to his....it was even more cringe worthy. Just bad.
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Post by Nink on Oct 21, 2016 5:30:44 GMT
I think they both had some funny moments and seemed to take the rest like good sports. To me it was somewhat awkward all around, but admittedly I didn't watch either of them all way through.
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Post by linda~lou on Oct 21, 2016 5:56:01 GMT
I watched the entire thing. I understand it's a roast of sorts, however Trump went way beyond light banter. Some of his quips were way beyond the pale. He was booed and from what I've watched and heard, no one has ever, ever been booed during their speech at one of these dinners.
I thought some of Hillary's comments went a bit far, the statue of Liberty for one, however she had more jabs about herself than she did him.
Trump's final words were not appropriate for that type of function while Hillary's were empowering and positive.
This won't change anyone's mind, probably most didn't even watch. It just cemented my feelings of Trump's true personally and his lack of presidential material.
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Post by lucyg on Oct 21, 2016 7:39:44 GMT
I watched both performances. It was disheartening, considering the history and traditions of the event. Trump is just contemptible. I wish Hillary had been a little less harsh, but she didn't hold a candle to what he did. For those who haven't watched, among other out-of-place personal attacks, Trump announced to the entire dinner audience that Hillary hates Catholics. (It's a Catholic event put on by Catholics, to honor the first Catholic candidate for president.) Yes, he did. Contemptible.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Oct 21, 2016 9:30:39 GMT
I do wish HC had had fewer jabs. I realize that the tradition of the event is "roasty," but she would have better embodied the "he went low, we went high" spirit if she had kept it lighter here.
Trump was out of line and deserved the booing he received.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 11:17:33 GMT
I saw both and thought they each gave as well as they got. Neither was more biting than the other.
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Post by J u l e e on Oct 21, 2016 11:33:45 GMT
I saw both and thought they each gave as well as they got. Neither was more biting than the other. I had the same feeling. Maybe because I don't like either of them as candidates for President. But I did think the end of Hillary's speech was much better than Donald's.
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Post by lovetodigi on Oct 21, 2016 11:34:39 GMT
I saw both and thought they each gave as well as they got. Neither was more biting than the other. The people attending must have seen it differently because only Trump was booed. He was disgusting as usual. I wish Hillary had been a little less harsh in some of lines, but she was no where near as bad as Trump.
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Post by grinningcat on Oct 21, 2016 11:42:43 GMT
He was much harsher than Clinton ever was. His speech was completely inappropriate, no class and it was dripping with hatred and and contempt. He completely missed the point of the evening. You can tell that he wants nothing but harm brought on her. It was a perfect example of why he is completely inappropriate as the candidate and as a possible president. Even a sliver of class in someone else makes them more appropriate than this buffoon.
The person I felt really bad for was the cardinal sitting between them. And really, the organizer did a piss poor job with the seating plan. There was no reason to seat them like that. It would have been nothing to put more space between them by putting one on each side of the podium.
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Post by Sarah*H on Oct 21, 2016 12:30:40 GMT
I just read on Politico that Al Smith V said that he felt Trump crossed the line. Trump went too farIt's always interesting to see see how different people react to and read the same event.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 12:32:45 GMT
Two days after that last disaster of a debate and I felt this was going to go wrong. I know these dinners are planned (and paid for) well ahead of time, but last minute changes are never out of the question.
I did not watch. I believe the organizers were wrong not to change up the event. It's been obvious for some time that these candidates hate each other and that, for the speeches, this dinner was not going to go well. And if, as posted above, they didn't even change the seating so that the candidates would be more comfortable (I have no idea how long the head table was), it makes me think they wanted this "Real Candidates of the US Reunion" show.
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Post by anxiousmom on Oct 21, 2016 12:44:07 GMT
Everyone else can high, or they can go low, but I am going to go shallow as hell... I want to look as good as Mrs. Trump in a backless dress like she was wearing. Unfortunately, I am about two feet too short, about however many pounds to fluffy, and about a gazillion dollars too poor.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 21, 2016 13:03:22 GMT
I personally don't really like roasts or that type of comedy, so all in all I think the whole idea is in poor taste and hard to pull off in that type of situation. I thought that Hillary looked like she was trying to have fun and take it in jest but Donald went too far. She took more Jabs at herself but also at home (which I understand is how it typically goes at this event). Trump just seemed angry and taking advantage to continue from the night before. Overall, I think it was an awkward event and not appropriate for them to do the "roast".
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Oct 21, 2016 13:06:46 GMT
Two days after that last disaster of a debate and I felt this was going to go wrong. I know these dinners are planned (and paid for) well ahead of time, but last minute changes are never out of the question. I did not watch. I believe the organizers were wrong not to change up the event. It's been obvious for some time that these candidates hate each other and that, for the speeches, this dinner was not going to go well. And if, as posted above, they didn't even change the seating so that the candidates would be more comfortable (I have no idea how long the head table was), it makes me think they wanted this "Real Candidates of the US Reunion" show. I think they probably wanted them to each have the same distance to the cardinal. I assume that sitting next to him was the "best spot" so they wanted to make sure that each had the same opportunity. I agree it was awkward, though.
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Post by auntkelly on Oct 21, 2016 13:06:49 GMT
I think both candidates should be ashamed of themselves.
That dinner has always been about setting aside political differences for one night and engaging in self deprecating humor and raising money for charity. Both of these candidates disappointed me.
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Post by lucillebluth on Oct 21, 2016 13:28:57 GMT
Two days after that last disaster of a debate and I felt this was going to go wrong. I know these dinners are planned (and paid for) well ahead of time, but last minute changes are never out of the question. I did not watch. I believe the organizers were wrong not to change up the event. It's been obvious for some time that these candidates hate each other and that, for the speeches, this dinner was not going to go well. And if, as posted above, they didn't even change the seating so that the candidates would be more comfortable (I have no idea how long the head table was), it makes me think they wanted this "Real Candidates of the US Reunion" show. I think they were right to go on as usual. Past candidates have done much better, and I don't for a second think that the organizers wanted this to be ugly--that's not been the tradition of this dinner at all. If these candidates make themselves look bad, that's on them, and it gives Americans a little more insight into their personalities. (I haven't seen the complete remarks, and I admit to being biased, but consensus seems to be that Trump did much worse. I felt bad for the people sitting near him as he spoke--they seemed very uncomfortable.)
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Post by bc2ca on Oct 21, 2016 13:50:59 GMT
Two days after that last disaster of a debate and I felt this was going to go wrong. I know these dinners are planned (and paid for) well ahead of time, but last minute changes are never out of the question. I did not watch. I believe the organizers were wrong not to change up the event. It's been obvious for some time that these candidates hate each other and that, for the speeches, this dinner was not going to go well. And if, as posted above, they didn't even change the seating so that the candidates would be more comfortable (I have no idea how long the head table was), it makes me think they wanted this "Real Candidates of the US Reunion" show. It was less than 24 hours after the debate and a real opportunity to show how presidential you could be. I truly don't think Donald, or whoever wrote his material, understood the concept. It is easy enough to google past events and looks at the classy way candidates have presented themselves. The more self-deprecating you are, the more (gentle) jabs you can take at your opponent. Trump's best jab was at Melania. Hillary obviously understood the event as her closing remarks clearly showed.
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Post by desertgirl on Oct 21, 2016 13:57:57 GMT
I, too, watched it. Donald needs a lesson in audience - these people are NOT his typical crowd. He seriously did not do his preparation (sound familiar?) for the audience and the ambience and the bottom line of helping out. He still thought it was all about him. When he turned to Melania to ask if things were still okay after his joke about her stealing Michelle's words, his tone of voice reminded me of the little boys I used to teach in elementary school. Then he asked her to stand up and get applause. What??? No sense of his audience, the purpose of the affair, or what his comportment should be. Where were his advisors? lucyg - "contemptible" and contemptuous. My Catholic mother, who was a life-long Republican, is rolling over and over and over in her grave.
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Post by purplebee on Oct 21, 2016 14:04:47 GMT
I think both candidates should be ashamed of themselves. That dinner has always been about setting aside political differences for one night and engaging in self deprecating humor and raising money for charity. Both of these candidates disappointed me. I agree completely. They were both acting like spoiled 10 year olds. I am not a fan of either, but I thought Hillary would have taken her high road. It would have made me think a bit harder about voting for her. You expect this from Trump, I had higher hopes for her. I am still undecided.....
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Post by kibble on Oct 21, 2016 14:14:13 GMT
I think they were both too harsh, but Trump wasn't even funny.
I think Clinton was better at poking fun at herself though.
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Post by imsirius on Oct 21, 2016 14:31:36 GMT
I hate Trump but his Pardon me joke was funny and Hillary laughed her ass off at it. I also liked his My wife gave the same speech joke ( even though at the time he claimed she didn't copy it!)
Someone obviously wrote his speech, at least the funny bits. Then he got mean and it lost all credibility again. It's like he just can't help himself.
I liked her speech. She made fun of herself and can laugh at herself. I've never seen Donald do that. He still made it all about how great he is....in his own mind.
he compared himself to Jesus for crap's sake!!
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Post by imsirius on Oct 21, 2016 14:33:43 GMT
I think both candidates should be ashamed of themselves. That dinner has always been about setting aside political differences for one night and engaging in self deprecating humor and raising money for charity. Both of these candidates disappointed me. I agree completely. They were both acting like spoiled 10 year olds. I am not a fan of either, but I thought Hillary would have taken her high road. It would have made me think a bit harder about voting for her. You expect this from Trump, I had higher hopes for her. I am still undecided..... I thought it was a roast? The whole point is roasting your opponent in a fun, wicked way. I thought they both were ok until Trump said a few things he shouldn't have. The corrupt thing? The Catholic thing? They were below the belt and the audience booed him. Watch the faces of the people behind him when he starts on his rant. They are mortified.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 14:54:30 GMT
I only caught clips, so I can't comment on how the their entire speech played to the room, but the one thing I saw that stood out to me is how humorless Rudy Giuliani is and could he have had more of a sour puss face on that night? I've never liked him, even in the days of 9/11, but now I find him as contemptible as his candidate.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Oct 21, 2016 15:06:50 GMT
They both got their jabs in, neither is a comedian and frankly stuff like that needs to be left to comedians.
The funniest jab was the one DT made about Melania that was really funny.
Given the feelings between the 2 it's not surprising it wasn't light hearted like Obama and Romney were.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2016 15:08:09 GMT
I'm watching Tamron Hall right now (I just love her, so smart and love her haircut) and she just showed a clip of Cardinal? Timothy Dolan and he said it wasn't all tension and that Trump leaned over and told Hillary how talented and tough she was and she told him that no matter what happened, they need to work together.
I thought that was interesting.
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Post by canadianscrappergirl on Oct 21, 2016 15:08:58 GMT
I only caught clips, so I can't comment on how the their entire speech played to the room, but the one thing I saw that stood out to me is how humorless Rudy Giuliani is and could he have had more of a sour puss face on that night? I've never liked him, even in the days of 9/11, but now I find him as contemptible as his candidate. OMG that guy looked like he had a stick up his ass all night didn't he!!
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Post by lucyg on Oct 21, 2016 15:13:50 GMT
I only caught clips, so I can't comment on how the their entire speech played to the room, but the one thing I saw that stood out to me is how humorless Rudy Giuliani is and could he have had more of a sour puss face on that night? I've never liked him, even in the days of 9/11, but now I find him as contemptible as his candidate. OMG that guy looked like he had a stick up his ass all night didn't he!! Everyone knows you're supposed to smile and laugh, no matter how annoying the other candidate gets. Hillary just kept laughing at Trump's jabs. Even Trump kept laughing at Hillary's jabs. But Rudy Giuliani? I'm going to repeat my concerns of a week or two ago. I think he's showing signs of being not up to intellectual par anymore. He used to be quick-witted. The old Rudy Giuliani would have known to laugh, even if he was being poked a bit. Not anymore.
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