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Post by christine58 on Aug 10, 2014 18:24:58 GMT
[HASH]*KAS*....thank you for your insight. It's easy for us to point fingers all the way around. Bottom line...this was a terrible terrible tragedy.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 10, 2014 18:31:29 GMT
Trying not to let emotion come into play here. Those of you that know me personally can probably verify that I would be on a position to know what I know and that I wouldn't spread false info. Fact: Greg Zipadelli, VP of competition at SHR, is the one who said 'business as usual' this morning. He was referring to their work in the garage to get ready today, not trying to say it wasn't a big deal. At that time he thought that Tony was driving today. Fact: the decision for Tony to stay out of the race was NOT made by Tony's sponsors. It was made by Tony, with input from people who work for him at SHR. Sponsors backed his decision but did NOT demand it. Regan Smith was called today to see about filling in. He was at home in Charlotte. He hopped on a plane with Rick Hendrick and arrived here about 1 hour prior to the race. Speculating about someone's 'intent' based off a cell phone video taken from the front stretch of a track on an accident that happened in turn 2 in a dimly lit dirt track is ridiculous. Tony being an 'asshole' because he doesn't sign autographs for a fan 2 hours before he's racing doesn't say a single thing about who he is as a man. But if you feel better judging someone you don't know, rock on. Thank you KAS. Try to hang in there, I'm sure it will be a bummer race weekend. I'm sorry for all involved and my thoughts and prayers go out to the young mans friends and family.
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Post by PrettyInPeank on Aug 10, 2014 18:33:56 GMT
How awful, all around. I really hope he didn't suffer.
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Post by Laurie on Aug 10, 2014 18:50:58 GMT
I think the saying "to task" has reached its quota on one thread.
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Post by denda on Aug 10, 2014 18:52:43 GMT
I am a NASCAR fan. Have been for all my life (I'm 55). I have been to a lot of sprint car races also. I know Tony Stewart's history. Yes, he has a temper, that does NOT make him a murderer!! Yes, I have seen the video. Y'all must have a better view of it than I do, because I do not see Tony swerve toward him! I see Kevin Ward, Jr continue farther up on the track even as other cars are dodging him. Anyone who thinks Tony tried to hit him are just wrong! I believe one of two things happened. One, Tony didn't see him. Two, Tony was trying to throw dirt on him and just got too close because he was still walking toward his car. My heart hurts for the Ward family and for Tony. He has to live with this for the rest of his life. Think how that would feel. It was a horrible ACCIDENT!
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Post by anonrefugee on Aug 10, 2014 18:52:56 GMT
. Fact: Greg Zipadelli, VP of competition at SHR, is the one who said 'business as usual' this morning. He was referring to their work in the garage to get ready today, not trying to say it wasn't a big deal. I find this surprising, maybe he was shaken up too but seems very clueless. I work in an industry where accidents sadly sometimes happen. We each are taught how to enact crisis management procedures, including what to say to the press in the heat of the moment. At one firm we carried small cards with procedures and a statement. The goal is to minimize distractions so safety of all is assured and allow investigations to begin. No one would ever say "business as usual"! I cant believe it wasn't automatic for him to say something neutral and sympathetic, and acknowledge the accident will be investigated quickly.
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Post by denda on Aug 10, 2014 18:56:01 GMT
And to those that think the driver wasn't thinking straight when he got out of his car, that just makes me laugh. He knew exactly what he was doing! Drivers do that ALL the time! Tony has done it plenty of times. All drivers do it to show their displeasure if they feel wronged on the track.
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Post by denda on Aug 10, 2014 19:15:32 GMT
Speculating about someone's 'intent' based off a cell phone video taken from the front stretch of a track on an accident that happened in turn 2 in a dimly lit dirt track is ridiculous.
EXACTLY!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 19:56:13 GMT
I'm no Tony Stewart fan. He's made some pretty derogatory comments about fans here in Alabama - I live pretty close to Talladega. So he's not on the top of my fave drivers list.
But there's no way he intentionally tried to hit that kid. No way. From the video, the person to blame is the person who stepped out on a track full of moving cars. That's a HUGE mistake and in this case, a fatal one. We can speculate about what Tony was doing and why, but he's really the only one who will ever know the truth about that. I do know, though, his life and the lives of that driver's family will never, ever be the same.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2014 20:21:18 GMT
Curious, what were the derogatory remarks from him? I've never heard that. It could be just the overall opinion of 'dega. ?! ha
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 10, 2014 20:25:05 GMT
Everything's so "up in the air" at the moment, and I'm thankful there will be an investigation. I just hope, however, it will be done in a fair and impartial manner, but because of his fame, I'm not convinced it will be all that unbiased. Linking a blog here that lists some of Stewart's less than glorious issues in the past. It has a video of the accident last night, which I'm not advocating you see; in fact, I haven't clicked on it at all; just wanted to recap some of the moments in Stewart's past, and the fact that he may have actually tried to push Ward's car last night during the race (a big no-no in Nascar). I think throwing around the title "hothead" shouldn't excuse his previous actions, to be honest...and not every Nsacar driver subscribes to the notion of being that way. davyv.blogspot.com/2014/08/graphic-video-did-nascar-star-tony.html
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2014 20:26:02 GMT
Ok..looked it up online. He didn't say anything about Alabama. He answered a question to what race track had the most obnoxious fans, and said Talladega. Which...I think..most Nascar fans would agree, and I thought they were PROUD of that fact?!!
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2014 20:30:30 GMT
"some of the moments in Stewart's past, and the fact that he may have actually tried to push Ward's car last night during the race (a big no-no in Nascar" ---------------------------------
Absolutely NOT!! true!!! He was racing open wheel dirt track. And there is plenty of pushing in nascar. It's racing. cripes
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Post by TankTop on Aug 10, 2014 20:33:26 GMT
Yes, TS is a known hot head. But to me it is clear in the video that the other guy was absolutely at complete fault. Well I'm glad neither of us are investigators because from the video, it appears that Tony's rear tires are what hit this man. How do you accidentally strike someone with your rear tires?
From my untrained racecar (on any track) opinion, Tony Stewart was showing his ass...trying to come close to this man...maybe even throw dirt on him, to teach him a lesson. Put him in his place so to speak. Tony Stewart is known for taking other drivers "to task". What better way to take this young rookie to task than scaring him, or throwing dirt on him?
I'm hoping there is more than one video for investigators to study.
According to my dh, who has raced these cars before, all drivers know that if accelerate like that your back end will whip. Tony knew that. No doubt. You can hear him accelerate on several of the videos I have seen. Do I think he intended to kill a man? No! Do I think he intended to be an ass! Absolutely. That is his image. He has earned his reputation by his own actions.
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Post by elaine on Aug 10, 2014 20:33:57 GMT
And to those that think the driver wasn't thinking straight when he got out of his car, that just makes me laugh. He knew exactly what he was doing! Drivers do that ALL the time! Tony has done it plenty of times. All drivers do it to show their displeasure if they feel wronged on the track. I was listening to ESPN sports radio while walking the dog today and they had an ex-NASCAR driver who is now a commentator talking about the incident and he said the same thing - they ALL do that, even the commentator when he was an active driver, even Stewart.
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Post by imsirius on Aug 10, 2014 20:37:46 GMT
Whether or not Tony Stewart "has a reputation" (and yes I am a huge NASCAR fan) does not matter. Tony Stewart would NEVER, EVER, risk his career, his sponsorships, his personal life, or his integrity by INTENTIONALLY killing a young driver. NOT FOR ONE MINUTE do I believe Tony hit him on purpose. Tony is the biggest dirt track racer!! He owns and runs one of the biggest tracks in the world for dirt racing. He mentors young racers in the sport. He is not the cold-hearted man some are suggesting and have come to believe here.
The kid should never have left his car and stormed the track. TWO other cars before Tony's swerved to miss the kid. In all my years as a racing fan, the number one rule I've heard is NEVER LEAVE THE CAR until it's safe and your crew chief says it's okay.
If that driver was so angry over a race that he'd leave his car to risk his life just before the caution was brought out, maybe he shouldn't have been racing. He lost his mind in anger and stormed the track and that was wrong on his part. Caution or not, those cars were going at least 60 miles an hour still.
I am very, very sorry that the young man lost his life. I am in no way saying he should have died or been injured in any way, but for people to suggest that perhaps Tony did this on PURPOSE to teach the kid a lesson is so very wrong and so very disturbing.
There are people all over twitter and facebook calling Tony a murderer.
It.was.an.accident. I repeat....an accident. A very sad and unnecessary accident. One I am sure will haunt Tony Stewart for the rest of his life
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Post by Kelpea on Aug 10, 2014 20:37:58 GMT
I realize it's racing. Cripes, indeed, though; some of it is against the rules. To the tunes of hefty fines and probation.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2014 20:45:34 GMT
"According to my dh, who has raced these cars before, all drivers know that if accelerate like that your back end will whip.
Tony knew that. No doubt.
You can hear him accelerate on several of the videos I have seen" ----------------------------------------------------------------
You can not hear the acceleration on any of the videos I have seen, and I don't know how you could with all the other cars on the track accelerating. How can you know it came from that car? They are all videos on cellphones, and not the best quality. If he is a racer he will know how these engines actually make those noises shifting in and out of gears, up and down.
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Post by sacteach on Aug 10, 2014 20:46:15 GMT
I do not follow racing, though I did watch for a couple of years. Are the conversations between the driver and their crew recorded in any way? If so, I'm curious what was said between Kevin and his crew (I'm hoping he was told to stay in the car) and what was said between Tony and his crew after the initial incident and then prior, during and after the fatal incident. I guess I'm thinking of like the "voice data recorder" for airplanes - is it something that could be investigated?
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2014 20:47:27 GMT
These are considered World of outlaw cars, if anyone is wondering. They are modifieds, VERY different then what you see on tv in sprint cup.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2014 20:48:37 GMT
This is small town racing. Usually... I could be wrong though, they do NOT have radios. It's all done by hand signals.
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Post by Sam on Aug 10, 2014 20:51:16 GMT
GRAPHIC VIDEO: Tony Stewart
It looks like he purposely clipped the guy and the guy ended up dying. Police are investigating and looking at the video. [Sorry, haven't read other replies] - this was reported online this morning when I read the papers and was up-dated during the day. What a terrible situation, particularly for his family.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Aug 10, 2014 20:51:17 GMT
1. If Tony Stewart wasn't involved, we wouldn't even be talking about this. 2. If Kevin Ward Jr.'s family sues, it's because it's Tony Stewart and they see dollar signs. 3. I can't believe the guy who took the cell phone video said "holy shit, Tony Stewart just hit that guy!!!" I probably would have said "holy shit, that guy just got hit. I hope he's OK" 4. I can't believe the title of this thread is "Did you see the Tony Stewart video?" REALLY? How about the Kevin Ward Jr. video? Or the Sprint Car video? Or no video at all? Why is it all about Tony Stewart? What kind of grief whore needs to direct everyone to that horrible and morbid video anyway? 5. This really isn't about Tony Stewart, so STFU about Tony Stewart. Any number of drivers could have knocked Kevin Ward Jr.'s racecar into the wall and then accidently hit him while he was walking angrily towards their car. It just happened to be Tony Stewart. IT COULD HAVE BEEN ANYONE. At least 2 other drivers barely missed the guy, and yet he kept walking further and faster onto the track. The outcome would probably be the same no matter who he was mad at and going after. 6. KEVIN WARD JR. is at fault here. No one else. KEVIN WARD JR. was a fucking moron. I don't for one minute think he was in shock or concussed. Nope. Not buying it. He looked completely in control to me, and knew what he was doing. STAY IN YOUR FUCKING CAR UNTIL HELP ARRIVES.
The end.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 20:53:48 GMT
I saw the video and if anyone was hot at that moment, it was Ward. He was pointing his finger and advancing into oncoming racers. He didn't look confused - he looked blind with rage over the intial crash. The car right before Stewarts literally had to swerve to miss him and Ward still advanced further into the track.
Sure, Stewart is a hothead, but there's a big difference between that and recklessly endangering someone's life to "teach them a lesson."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 21:11:45 GMT
Ok..looked it up online. He didn't say anything about Alabama. He answered a question to what race track had the most obnoxious fans, and said Talladega. Which...I think..most Nascar fans would agree, and I thought they were PROUD of that fact?!! Uh yeah, he did. When asked why he thought Talladega had the most obnoxious fans, he said, "It's in Alabama. Enough said." I'd say he took a swipe at Alabama by that remark. Had he just left it without dragging the entire state into it, it would be one thing. It was kinda funny in the days that followed as he tried to back off his statements and say he meant them as compliments. Sorry, Tony. Nobody bought it. So like I said, not a Tony fan. But he's far from being a cold-blooded killer like he's being portrayed by some other non-fans. Not necessarily here on this board, but I've read a lot of comments on FB and other news sites that are pretty out there.
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Post by edie3 on Aug 10, 2014 21:22:26 GMT
KEVIN WARD JR. is at fault here
So lets all shut up about it, he brought it on himself, the blame has been decided. He got what he deserved, is that what you are saying?
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Post by mightyme on Aug 10, 2014 21:31:28 GMT
Curious, what were the derogatory remarks from him? I've never heard that. It could be just the overall opinion of 'dega. ?! ha They were referring to the past.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Aug 10, 2014 21:34:32 GMT
KEVIN WARD JR. is at fault here So lets all shut up about it, he brought it on himself, the blame has been decided. He got what he deserved, is that what you are saying? Don't be an idiot. Where did I say that he brought it on himself or that he deserved it?
Are you from Alabama?
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Post by myshelly on Aug 10, 2014 21:35:40 GMT
KEVIN WARD JR. is at fault here So lets all shut up about it, he brought it on himself, the blame has been decided. He got what he deserved, is that what you are saying? Yep. That's certainly what I'm saying. ETA: and I'm not saying that I think he deserved to die. But he made the choice to storm onto the track and this is the natural consequence of his bad choice.
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Post by edie3 on Aug 10, 2014 21:42:33 GMT
Either way, a young man lost his life. That is the tragedy.
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