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Post by sacteach on Aug 10, 2014 21:43:48 GMT
KEVIN WARD JR. is at fault here. No one else. KEVIN WARD JR. was a fucking moron. I don't for one minute think he was in shock or concussed. Nope. Not buying it. He looked completely in control to me, and knew what he was doing. STAY IN YOUR FUCKING CAR UNTIL HELP ARRIVES. Sounds like it to me you are saying it. Either way, a young man lost his life. That is the tragedy. Are you quoting someone? If so, it helps to either use the quote feature or at least put their name in front of the part you are copying/pasting. Otherwise, it looks like you are talking to yourself and is rather confusing.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 10, 2014 21:49:53 GMT
KEVIN WARD JR. is at fault here. No one else. KEVIN WARD JR. was a fucking moron. I don't for one minute think he was in shock or concussed. Nope. Not buying it. He looked completely in control to me, and knew what he was doing. STAY IN YOUR FUCKING CAR UNTIL HELP ARRIVES. Sounds like it to me you are saying it. Either way, a young man lost his life. That is the tragedy. Are you quoting someone? If so, it helps to either use the quote feature or at least put their name in front of the part you are copying/pasting. Otherwise, it looks like you are talking to yourself and is rather confusing. Yes, edie3, your posts are very confusing and incoherent.
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Post by rumplesnat on Aug 10, 2014 21:49:54 GMT
And to those that think the driver wasn't thinking straight when he got out of his car, that just makes me laugh. He knew exactly what he was doing! Drivers do that ALL the time! Tony has done it plenty of times. All drivers do it to show their displeasure if they feel wronged on the track. This is complete bullshit and I partially think NASCAR is to blame for allowing this type of behavior to be tolerated. I spoke with my parents today, who are diehard NASCAR fans, and they said the same thing. Drivers do this all the time. That doesn't make it okay. Who in the hell just walks out into the middle of a racetrack during a race??? Why does NASCAR allow the drivers to do this? Kevin Ward CHOSE to do what he did. IMO, he CHOSE to get himself killed as a result, however perhaps if NASCAR didn't look the other way when drivers did this kind of crap, maybe he wouldn't have considered this option as a way to confront Stewart. If anything, I hope that the rules change to make getting out of your car during a race to confront an opponent to be forbidden.
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Post by Scarlet Ohana on Aug 10, 2014 21:50:42 GMT
Well I'm glad neither of us are investigators because from the video, it appears that Tony's rear tires are what hit this man. How do you accidentally strike someone with your rear tires?
From my untrained racecar (on any track) opinion, Tony Stewart was showing his ass...trying to come close to this man...maybe even throw dirt on him, to teach him a lesson. Put him in his place so to speak. Tony Stewart is known for taking other drivers "to task". What better way to take this young rookie to task than scaring him, or throwing dirt on him?
I'm hoping there is more than one video for investigators to study.
According to my dh, who has raced these cars before, all drivers know that if accelerate like that your back end will whip. Tony knew that. No doubt. You can hear him accelerate on several of the videos I have seen. Do I think he intended to kill a man? No! Do I think he intended to be an ass! Absolutely. That is his image. He has earned his reputation by his own actions. That's exactly how my DH explained it to me as well. Tony knew what would happen if he accelerated like that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 21:52:00 GMT
To those who think Tony is so awful and a hardhearted asshole, please check out his site, Tony Stewart Foundation
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Post by gmcwife1 on Aug 10, 2014 21:54:16 GMT
And to those that think the driver wasn't thinking straight when he got out of his car, that just makes me laugh. He knew exactly what he was doing! Drivers do that ALL the time! Tony has done it plenty of times. All drivers do it to show their displeasure if they feel wronged on the track. This is complete bullshit and I partially think NASCAR is to blame for allowing this type of behavior to be tolerated. I spoke with my parents today, who are diehard NASCAR fans, and they said the same thing. Drivers do this all the time. That doesn't make it okay. Who in the hell just walks out into the middle of a racetrack during a race??? Why does NASCAR allow the drivers to do this? Tony Ward CHOSE to do what he did. IMO, he CHOSE to get himself killed as a result, however perhaps if NASCAR didn't look the other way when drivers did this kind of crap, maybe he wouldn't have considered this option as a way to confront Stewart. If anything, I hope that the rules change to make getting out of your car during a race to confront an opponent to be forbidden. NASCAR has no authority over the race in question. It is not within the NASCAR system.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Aug 10, 2014 21:58:31 GMT
Edie3, please learn to use quotes.
I said that Kevin Ward Jr. was at fault and was a moron. I don't take that back. But that doesn't mean I think he deserved to die. If you think that's what I meant, then go ahead and think that, but you're wrong. If I had those thoughts, I would most certainly go ahead and post them, but that's not how I feel.
The bottom line is that people are going to keep on believing the worst about this incident because it's what they WANT to believe. Especially when it comes to celebrities, people love to see them fall. Face it, if a controversial NASCAR driver weren't involved, no one would even be talking about this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 21:59:24 GMT
So how is it possible that there are many on this post who are so very sure that the car accelerating is Tony's? This is of off a cell phone video from the stands. If you are that good to be able to know that then you need a job as a forensic specialist.
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Post by rumplesnat on Aug 10, 2014 22:00:07 GMT
This is complete bullshit and I partially think NASCAR is to blame for allowing this type of behavior to be tolerated. I spoke with my parents today, who are diehard NASCAR fans, and they said the same thing. Drivers do this all the time. That doesn't make it okay. Who in the hell just walks out into the middle of a racetrack during a race??? Why does NASCAR allow the drivers to do this? Kevin Ward CHOSE to do what he did. IMO, he CHOSE to get himself killed as a result, however perhaps if NASCAR didn't look the other way when drivers did this kind of crap, maybe he wouldn't have considered this option as a way to confront Stewart. If anything, I hope that the rules change to make getting out of your car during a race to confront an opponent to be forbidden. NASCAR has no authority over the race in question. It is not within the NASCAR system. I realize that, however, NASCAR allows this behavior and they are pretty much "the" leader in car racing and permit this kind of irresponsible activity. They set the stage and individuals aspiring to be race car drivers are likely to model behaviors of drivers they look up to.
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Post by myshelly on Aug 10, 2014 22:04:13 GMT
Either way, a young man lost his life. That is the tragedy. I agree. But it is also a tragedy if TS gets blamed for something that wasn't his fault. It is also a tragedy if his life or his career is ruined because of someone else's poor choice.
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Post by edie3 on Aug 10, 2014 22:07:30 GMT
sorry for being confusing and incoherent and Alabamian. I figured out the quote feature, just not how to edit my posts to reflect that.
What happened to Ward is a tragedy, something he did not deserve.
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Post by imsirius on Aug 10, 2014 22:08:26 GMT
What happened to Ward is a tragedy, something he did not deserve. And neither did Tony Stewart. It goes both ways.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Aug 10, 2014 22:08:56 GMT
sorry for being confusing and incoherent and Alabamian. LOL
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 10, 2014 22:09:06 GMT
And to those that think the driver wasn't thinking straight when he got out of his car, that just makes me laugh. He knew exactly what he was doing! Drivers do that ALL the time! Tony has done it plenty of times. All drivers do it to show their displeasure if they feel wronged on the track. As I said in my prior post, I do not follow Nascar (yes, I realize this was not a Nascar race) so I don't have the same context that others have. To me it looks like another road rage incident, it just happened to be on a race track, not the open road. Just because you sorta kinda know the guy doesn't mean you know what was going on in his head at the time.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2014 22:09:51 GMT
Exactly Tishy! It's a cellphone video, you can hear all the noises of all the cars. You're telling me that the phone is catching the acceleration of a car on the other side of the track? vs one right in front of them?
Ricky Craven just talked about the whole getting out of the car angry tradition, and talked about higher fines for drivers doing this. It's good in theory, but in the heat of the moment? will they do it?, or say damm with the fines. I've been around a lot of angry dirt track drivers. They'd get out of the car. I just hope another video from the other side will show up. That would be nice.
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Post by imsirius on Aug 10, 2014 22:11:34 GMT
My friend who is a huge Tony fan and her dh is involved in the industry wrote this on her fb page. It sums up how I feel too.
****The unfortunate part of last night's events is how the media is dubbing Kevin Ward as "the guy that Tony Stewart Killed". Prior to last night most of you, myself included, did not know Kevin Ward. But for him to be memorialized as this is completely unjust. He should be remembered for his career that spanned 15 years starting out as a go kart driver at the age of 5. Those 15 years he spent to get where he was are not easy. For anyone who races you know there is no organized sport for racing. It takes a lot of time, money and perseverance to make it to where he did. He should be remembered for these accomplishments.
As for Tony, I do not profess to know him personally not can I speak for what he did but unless you are him you don't know what happened. Was he attempting to swerve to miss ward or was he trying to put a little scare in him and this ended up being the result. No one knows. But he now has to live with this outcome and to live knowing you are responsible for the death of a fellow driver would not be one I'd like to bear. I do know this about Stewart - he is a huge supporter of dirt track racing and drivers. To think his intentions were to harm Ward is not possible in my opinion. Unfortunately the unthinkable happened and two families lives will be forever changed. Stewart stands to lose a lot in endorsements, sponsorships, civil actions and more.
So before you pass judgment on this situation think of both families and understand both are grieving losses today. My thoughts go out to the Ward family and to Tony Stewart. May they both find peace in the days to follow.****
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2014 22:12:22 GMT
back to peareality..how does this look exactly like another road rage incident? When the person in rage was the one ON the track yelling? and no one was chasing anyone down? and it was on a race track?
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Post by edie3 on Aug 10, 2014 22:13:13 GMT
And neither did Tony Stewart. It goes both ways. Absolutely!
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Post by christine58 on Aug 10, 2014 22:25:10 GMT
Ok..looked it up online. He didn't say anything about Alabama. He answered a question to what race track had the most obnoxious fans, and said Talladega. Which...I think..most Nascar fans would agree, and I thought they were PROUD of that fact?!! Uh yeah, he did. When asked why he thought Talladega had the most obnoxious fans, he said, "It's in Alabama. Enough said." I'd say he took a swipe at Alabama by that remark. Had he just left it without dragging the entire state into it, it would be one thing. It was kinda funny in the days that followed as he tried to back off his statements and say he meant them as compliments. Sorry, Tony. Nobody bought it. So like I said, not a Tony fan. But he's far from being a cold-blooded killer like he's being portrayed by some other non-fans. Not necessarily here on this board, but I've read a lot of comments on FB and other news sites that are pretty out there. Fans need to have a TOUGH skin when someone makes a comment about their city/fans etc. I am a Buffalo Bills fan...heard all the jokes about 4 straight SB losses etc...Tom Brady made a stupid comment once..SO WHAT?? I don't care what players etc say about a city I support. Get over the Alabama comment
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 22:25:48 GMT
Saw this posted on the NASCAR on FOX FB page
Tyler Graves, a sprint-car racer and friend of Ward's, told Sporting News in a phone interview that he was sitting in the Turn 1 grandstands and saw everything. "Tony pinched him into the frontstretch wall, a racing thing," Graves said. "The right rear tire went down, he spun on the exit of (Turn) 2. They threw the caution and everything was toned down. Kevin got out of his car. … He was throwing his arms up all over the place at Tony for most of the corner. "I know Tony could see him. I know how you can see out of these cars. When Tony got close to him, he hit the throttle. When you hit a throttle on a sprint car, the car sets sideways. It set sideways, the right rear tire hit Kevin, Kevin was sucked underneath and was stuck under it for a second or two and then it threw him about 50 yards." Graves said he didn't believe it was intentional. "You never mean to do something like that," Graves told Sporting News. "Kevin was pissed and he let Tony know. And Tony was trying to give the message back that he wasn't happy either. He went over the line with it."
(someone that knows racing and was there as a witness in an interview with a reputable publication)
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2014 22:33:40 GMT
GaJenny, I do believe that is what happened. I must say though that the grandstands do NOT go all around the track, so he was sitting quite a ways away from the crash, and on the same side as the video was taken. I think Tony tried to avoid hitting him, could have accelerated to swerve, and the back end got lose and hit him.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Aug 10, 2014 22:33:48 GMT
Saw this posted on the NASCAR on FOX FB page
Tyler Graves, a sprint-car racer and friend of Ward's Not an unbiased assessment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2014 22:35:44 GMT
Saw this posted on the NASCAR on FOX FB page
Tyler Graves, a sprint-car racer and friend of Ward's Not an unbiased assessment. I'm sure the police would take his friendship with Ward into account if they choose to interview him. Typically, friend or not, you've sworn that the statement you're giving is the truth.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 10, 2014 22:38:15 GMT
back to peareality..how does this look exactly like another road rage incident? When the person in rage was the one ON the track yelling? and no one was chasing anyone down? and it was on a race track? cindyupnorth it is pretty clear that you are a huge fan if Tony Stewart and that clouds your judgement. You are making Stewart out to be the victim here. A full investigation needs to be made, someone died, that's how it works. All the racing intel the refugeepeas have means nothing.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2014 22:38:42 GMT
"You've sworn that the statement you're giving is the truth" ? in an interview? oook. That's an odd statement. He's giving it from HIS point of view. Doesn't mean it's right, or the only point of view, right? Though I do believe most of what he says.
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Post by cindyupnorth on Aug 10, 2014 22:40:53 GMT
Of course I am!! I don't deny it! But I also am looking at this as someone who has been around dirt track racing for..hmmm.....30 yrs? and stuff like this happens. I have been very honest that I feel bad for everyone involved, esp the Wards! I really did just want you to explain the road rage comment.
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Post by Yubon Peatlejuice on Aug 10, 2014 22:46:35 GMT
Looking at that video again, I still don't think Tony is at fault even if he did accelerate. If this had been a NASCAR race, the spotter would have told Tony over the radio that Kevin was walking on the track, angry, and looking for him. Tony could have then slowed up and managed to avoid him. However, these cars have no radio and therefore Tony had no advance warning. Tony comes around the corner, and in a matter of 3 seconds sees 2 drivers swerve in front of him and also sees an angry driver coming at him gesturing in anger. My first instinct would probably have been to accelerate and get the hell out of there. It's no different than defending yourself with a gun during a home invasion.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Aug 10, 2014 22:51:28 GMT
Of course I am!! I don't deny it! But I also am looking at this as someone who has been around dirt track racing for..hmmm.....30 yrs? and stuff like this happens. I have been very honest that I feel bad for everyone involved, esp the Wards! I really did just want you to explain the road rage comment. The reference is an analogy. I am not surprised you need explanation because you are not open to the possibility that some of the fault resides with Stewart.
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Post by carly on Aug 10, 2014 22:55:11 GMT
Sprint cars are pushed around the track to get started. They do not have clutches. They are either in high gear or no gear they have to maintain a certain speed to stay started. I have been around dirt racing all my life my dad and my husband both race super dirt late models. We have been to that track numerous times. We travel and race for a living (dirt tracks, world of outlaws). When you are in those cars there is no mirrors or radios, you are told in the drivers meeting before every race do NOT get out unless it's on fire. I have seen and we have raced with Tony numerous times and he is very professional, as professional as a racer can be. The only hot head here was the guy pointing and walking out in front of a car.
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Post by imsirius on Aug 10, 2014 22:56:28 GMT
no he didn't know. He was not in the car, he was in the stands on the same side as the crowd. He did not have a clear view either. He only knows what HE saw.
Some of you just need to put your torches down.
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