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Post by gar on Nov 10, 2016 20:21:45 GMT
He does not talk about imprisoning opponents. His point was about someone who violated laws should be in jail, not that she should be jailed for opposing him. There are enough facts to disagree with him about, stop making up stuff to push your belief he's a dictator. Either the facts support it or they don't. Ok, not because he wants to tighten borders but because he talks like a dictator yet makes it all sound so reasonable and acceptable.
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Post by sweetpeasmom on Nov 10, 2016 20:36:21 GMT
I think many of you are overlooking the actual exit poll results. Trump did better with blacks, Latinos, and women that anyone had expected. I think many of you are so blinded by your own hate that you can't see that you are exactly what you are accusing the other side of being. One of the things that ALL pundits on pretty much every network (liberal or conservative) agreed on last night was that Trump won because the ordinary man/woman is sick of the political elitism that has swept this country. They are tired of not having a voice. They are tired of executive orders that put in place things that the majority would never have voted in. They are tired of being called racist, xenophobic and all the other ugly names many of you have slung at them (and right here on this thread) because they don't see things the way you do. They love this country just as much you you do and their concerns are legitimate whether or not you see them as such. Like most of you, I was shocked that Trump won. But I HAD expected it to be much closer than the polls were suggesting because I knew there was a great swelling of outraged people who were sick of being called all the ugly names because they had concerns that were different from the political elite. I knew because I was told that over and over again including by many conservative Peas who have left this forum simply because of the kind of rhetoric that has been expressed in this thread. They left, but they didn't change their minds about the way the country is headed. Calling people racist, xenophobic, etc. is NEVER going to win hearts and change minds. Many of you need to open your hearts to a real discussion that can happen without ugly name-calling. If that had happened, maybe we all could have come together better to try to find a good way to resolve things rather than this angrily divided country. This Save
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 20:45:23 GMT
Proper vetting rather than just opening our doors wide to large numbers of people from countries with known terrorists is not "hate". It's smart. We already properly vet them.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 10, 2016 22:26:44 GMT
Oh come on; do you really believe that? Then again, I'm sure you do. Afterall, that's what you've been told.
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 10, 2016 22:29:41 GMT
Oh come on; do you really believe that? Then again, I'm sure you do. Afterall, that's what you've been told. Well we don't have 1000 terrorist incidents a day going on here either, so it would seem we are vetting somewhat successfully.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 22:32:49 GMT
Proper vetting rather than just opening our doors wide to large numbers of people from countries with known terrorists is not "hate". It's smart. We already properly vet them. Homeland Security, the FBI and other intelligence says there are gaps and there's not enough intelligence to thoroughly vet against terrorists because of a lack of presence on the ground in Syria.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 23:08:42 GMT
“Further restricting the acceptance of refugees does not address the most likely vulnerability to attacks from abroad, which is the large number of people from visa-waiver countries involved in the conflict in Syria,” said David Sterman, a researcher for the International Security Program at the New America think tank who has been cataloging terrorist attacks carried out since Sept. 11. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/25/us/us-muslim-extremists-terrorist-attacks.html?_r=0
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Post by terri on Nov 10, 2016 23:09:41 GMT
You need to remember that people didn't consider Hitler a danger initially. His supporters would have responded with disbelief at criticism, just as you have. So because Trump believes in tightening our borders and deportation of illegal immigrants he's Hilter? That fear mongering and plays into people's fear. I welcome tighter acces to our country, come here legally and be welcomed. Come her illegal and be removed. Why should we pay for those that aren't willing to work for their American dream? Trump and his supporters have consistently used coded language meant to appeal to antisemites and white nationalists. Why do think the KKK supported him?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 23:38:54 GMT
He does not talk about imprisoning opponents. His point was about someone who violated laws should be in jail, not that she should be jailed for opposing him. There are enough facts to disagree with him about, stop making up stuff to push your belief he's a dictator. Either the facts support it or they don't. Ok, not because he wants to tighten borders but because he talks like a dictator yet makes it all sound so reasonable and acceptable.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 10, 2016 23:45:55 GMT
I am just going to admit that I'm having a hard time reconciling people's support of Trump with what I personally know of them. I have voted Republican for president for the past twenty years. This time I just couldn't do it. I believe Trump is deplorable. Some of my good friends cast a vote for him. Knowing these people personally I thought I knew what kind of people they were. I am a little bit disappointed in them for supporting someone like him. I'm having a hard time reconciling what I personally know about these people with their politics. And the fact of the matter is, I'm scared to even ask them why they voted the way they voted. I'm afraid I might not like the answer. I have read the posts on this board with what I feel is an open mind. After all I did not support Trump but I could also not bring myself to support Hillary either. I voted third party. And I am trying to also keep in mind that there are those who probably judge me especially for living in a swing state and voting third party. I guess for me I am choosing to not discuss it and accept my friends and family who supported him in the same way I always did. I guess I want to bury my head in the sand about the whole thing. I choose to accept that I may never know the motivations of people choosing Trump but I am just going to assume that my friends and family who voted for Trump are the same good people I have always known and that they will step up to the plate and voice concerns should Trump continue to exhibit poor behaviors.
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Post by gar on Nov 10, 2016 23:50:47 GMT
You're good with what she's done based on false information that has been corrected here several times, yet it keeps being spouted as fact. And agreed with by many. "Money did not prevent them from increasing security at the embassy. Repeat, it did not prevent it. There is a special fund available for just such contingencies. THEY DID NOT REQUEST ANY FUNDS." "Congress had been responsive in providing “Overseas Contingency Operations” funds to the State Department in response to emergent security-driven requests, mainly for Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan." “However, there was no supplemental or OCO request made by the President for additional diplomatic security enhancements in FY 2010 or FY 2011,” the report pointedly noted. “Neither the Department of State nor Congress made a point of providing additional funds in a supplemental request for Libya, or more specifically, Benghazi.” "State Department Official Charlene Lamb Testified Before The House Oversight Committee That Budget Cuts Had Nothing To Do With Security Decisions In Benghazi. REP. DANA ROHRABACHER (R-CA): “It has been suggested the budget cuts are responsible for lack of security in Benghazi, and I’d like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally, was there any budget consideration and lack of budget that led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?” CHARLENE LAMB: “No, sir.” (U.S. House Of Representatives, Oversight And Government Reform Committee, Hearing, 10/10/12)" He does not talk about imprisoning opponents. His point was about someone who violated laws should be in jail, not that she should be jailed for opposing him. There are enough facts to disagree with him about, stop making up stuff to push your belief he's a dictator. Either the facts support it or they don't. I'm replying to your post again because previously I answered quickly while I was cooking dinner. I didn't suggested that he spoke about imprisoning her 'because' she was opposing him, but that she, his opponent, should be in prison. Different.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 0:35:08 GMT
You're good with what she's done based on false information that has been corrected here several times, yet it keeps being spouted as fact. And agreed with by many. "Money did not prevent them from increasing security at the embassy. Repeat, it did not prevent it. There is a special fund available for just such contingencies. THEY DID NOT REQUEST ANY FUNDS." "Congress had been responsive in providing “Overseas Contingency Operations” funds to the State Department in response to emergent security-driven requests, mainly for Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan." “However, there was no supplemental or OCO request made by the President for additional diplomatic security enhancements in FY 2010 or FY 2011,” the report pointedly noted. “Neither the Department of State nor Congress made a point of providing additional funds in a supplemental request for Libya, or more specifically, Benghazi.” "State Department Official Charlene Lamb Testified Before The House Oversight Committee That Budget Cuts Had Nothing To Do With Security Decisions In Benghazi. REP. DANA ROHRABACHER (R-CA): “It has been suggested the budget cuts are responsible for lack of security in Benghazi, and I’d like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally, was there any budget consideration and lack of budget that led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?” CHARLENE LAMB: “No, sir.” (U.S. House Of Representatives, Oversight And Government Reform Committee, Hearing, 10/10/12)" He does not talk about imprisoning opponents. His point was about someone who violated laws should be in jail, not that she should be jailed for opposing him. There are enough facts to disagree with him about, stop making up stuff to push your belief he's a dictator. Either the facts support it or they don't. I'm replying to your post again because previously I answered quickly while I was cooking dinner. I didn't suggested that he spoke about imprisoning her 'because' she was opposing him, but that she, his opponent, should be in prison. Different. So how does believing someone who broke laws (as laid out, point by point by Comey), how does believing someone who broke laws should be in jail, point to being a dictator?
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Post by PNWMom on Nov 11, 2016 1:40:10 GMT
Aaaaand my husband had a coworker crying in his office today, at his first day back at work. The guy's kids came home in tears because classmates are telling them Trump is going to have them deported. This in one of the Bluest cities in one of the Bluest states in the country.
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Post by carly on Nov 11, 2016 1:43:14 GMT
Aaaaand my husband had a coworker crying in his office today, at his first day back at work. The guy's kids came home in tears because classmates are telling them Trump is going to have them deported. This in one of the Bluest cities in one of the Bluest states in the country. Is he here legally?
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 11, 2016 1:50:55 GMT
I'm replying to your post again because previously I answered quickly while I was cooking dinner. I didn't suggested that he spoke about imprisoning her 'because' she was opposing him, but that she, his opponent, should be in prison. Different. So how does believing someone who broke laws (as laid out, point by point by Comey), how does believing someone who broke laws should be in jail, point to being a dictator? Well the FBI cleared her, multiple times.
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Post by prapea on Nov 11, 2016 2:57:14 GMT
Aaaaand my husband had a coworker crying in his office today, at his first day back at work. The guy's kids came home in tears because classmates are telling them Trump is going to have them deported. This in one of the Bluest cities in one of the Bluest states in the country. Is he here legally? Would the kids have said that if the coworker's kids were blond haired and blue eyed? I got asked by someone at my kid's school today if we are moving back to India. I looked at her and said, are you moving back to your country. She said no, this is my country. So I had to break it to that asshole that this is my country too, and I am a goddamn citizen of this country and my son was born here too. I came short of ending it with, "bite me". She tried to pass it off as a joke but no it's not funny. This whole, "are they here legally? Then they have nothing to worry". they are worried that all these idiots would even ask them that because they have a different skin color, look different or God forbid speak multiple languages.
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Post by femalebusiness on Nov 11, 2016 3:08:54 GMT
Would the kids have said that if the coworker's kids were blond haired and blue eyed? I got asked by someone at my kid's school today if we are moving back to India. I looked at her and said, are you moving back to your country. She said no, this is my country. So I had to break it to that asshole that this is my country too, and I am a goddamn citizen of this country and my son was born here too. I came short of ending it with, "bite me". She tried to pass it off as a joke but no it's not funny. This whole, "are they here legally? Then they have nothing to worry". they are worried that all these idiots would even ask them that because they have a different skin color, look different or God forbid speak multiple languages. My husband and his father were hassled by authorities while standing on thousands of acres that they owned. They demanded to see their papers. Both of them were born on that land. My husband, being who he is and not easily intimidated, told them that he wanted to see their papers and to get the fuck off of his private property. They NEVER hassled the white neighbors. This is a standard and frequent experience for those who have brown skin.
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Post by carly on Nov 11, 2016 3:10:59 GMT
Would the kids have said that if the coworker's kids were blond haired and blue eyed? I got asked by someone at my kid's school today if we are moving back to India. I looked at her and said, are you moving back to your country. She said no, this is my country. So I had to break it to that asshole that this is my country too, and I am a goddamn citizen of this country and my son was born here too. I came short of ending it with, "bite me". She tried to pass it off as a joke but no it's not funny. This whole, "are they here legally? Then they have nothing to worry". they are worried that all these idiots would even ask them that because they have a different skin color, look different or God forbid speak multiple languages. As long as people are here legally I have no problem. I go to other countries a lot and I do so legally. I follow the law of the land wherever I am. All I want is the same.
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Post by carly on Nov 11, 2016 3:14:14 GMT
Would the kids have said that if the coworker's kids were blond haired and blue eyed? I got asked by someone at my kid's school today if we are moving back to India. I looked at her and said, are you moving back to your country. She said no, this is my country. So I had to break it to that asshole that this is my country too, and I am a goddamn citizen of this country and my son was born here too. I came short of ending it with, "bite me". She tried to pass it off as a joke but no it's not funny. This whole, "are they here legally? Then they have nothing to worry". they are worried that all these idiots would even ask them that because they have a different skin color, look different or God forbid speak multiple languages. My husband and his father were hassled by authorities while standing on thousands of acres that they owned. They demanded to see their papers. Both of them were born on that land. My husband, being who he is and not easily intimidated, told them that he wanted to see their papers and to get the fuck off of his private property. They NEVER hassled the white neighbors. This is a standard and frequent experience for those who have brown skin. When did this happen? Under the great obama presidency? It's kind of hard to believe that someone would come on your land and hassle you because of skin color, what's the rest of the story?
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Post by femalebusiness on Nov 11, 2016 3:15:57 GMT
My husband and his father were hassled by authorities while standing on thousands of acres that they owned. They demanded to see their papers. Both of them were born on that land. My husband, being who he is and not easily intimidated, told them that he wanted to see their papers and to get the fuck off of his private property. They NEVER hassled the white neighbors. This is a standard and frequent experience for those who have brown skin. When did this happen? Under the great obama presidency? It's kind of hard to believe that someone would come on your land and hassle you because of skin color, what's the rest of the story? You are an idiot.
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Post by prapea on Nov 11, 2016 3:18:48 GMT
Would the kids have said that if the coworker's kids were blond haired and blue eyed? I got asked by someone at my kid's school today if we are moving back to India. I looked at her and said, are you moving back to your country. She said no, this is my country. So I had to break it to that asshole that this is my country too, and I am a goddamn citizen of this country and my son was born here too. I came short of ending it with, "bite me". She tried to pass it off as a joke but no it's not funny. This whole, "are they here legally? Then they have nothing to worry". they are worried that all these idiots would even ask them that because they have a different skin color, look different or God forbid speak multiple languages. As long as people are here legally I have no problem. I go to other countries a lot and I do so legally. I follow the law of the land wherever I am. All I want is the same. So random people stop you n other countries when you visit and ask you if you are there legally? and I am asking this again, would you all ask a white person if they are here legally? Would you just go to every single person on the street and ask them if they are here legally? No? Then don't ask me because if someone asks me if I am here legally or if I am moving back to "my country", and then cover it up with, "hey if you are here legally then you have nothing to worry" - my response would be so colorful that they will wish they were never born.
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Post by carly on Nov 11, 2016 3:21:13 GMT
When did this happen? Under the great obama presidency? It's kind of hard to believe that someone would come on your land and hassle you because of skin color, what's the rest of the story? You are an idiot. Real nice come back, I didn't think you could answer the question. Whole lot of holes in that bullshit story you are telling.
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Post by carly on Nov 11, 2016 3:23:57 GMT
As long as people are here legally I have no problem. I go to other countries a lot and I do so legally. I follow the law of the land wherever I am. All I want is the same. So random people stop you n other countries when you visit and ask you if you are there legally? and I am asking this again, would you all ask a white person if they are here legally? Would you just go to every single person on the street and ask them if they are here legally? No? Then don't ask me because if someone asks me if I am here legally or if I am moving back to "my country", and then cover it up with, "hey if you are here legally then you have nothing to worry" - my response would be so colorful that they will wish they were never born. No the authorities make sure I am there legally, unlike here where we are scared to hurt their little feelings and make sure the law is followed.
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Post by Clair on Nov 11, 2016 3:33:23 GMT
Carly -
Based on your posts....I find it hard to believe you've ever been out from the bridge you're living under.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on Nov 11, 2016 3:58:20 GMT
He marketed himself in a way that appealed to uneducated working class whites. As a laymen. A 'normal' person. So, if you are a person with white skin who didn't go to college and have a blue collar job, you are what? Not worthy of having a voice? Are a deplorable, despicable human being? Wow. So much for the liberal inclusiveness, I guess. Liberal inclusiveness only applies if you NOT white, average and working class. Got it. L How did you draw the conclusion that only a person with white skin should have a voice? That not what she said. She highlighted how he marketed himself.
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Post by tincin on Nov 11, 2016 3:59:11 GMT
When did this happen? Under the great obama presidency? It's kind of hard to believe that someone would come on your land and hassle you because of skin color, what's the rest of the story? You are an idiot. I said that exact thing out loud as soon as I read her post. No, she's not a racist just a "concerned" citizen.
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Post by pridemom on Nov 11, 2016 13:31:58 GMT
Would the kids have said that if the coworker's kids were blond haired and blue eyed? I got asked by someone at my kid's school today if we are moving back to India. I looked at her and said, are you moving back to your country. She said no, this is my country. So I had to break it to that asshole that this is my country too, and I am a goddamn citizen of this country and my son was born here too. I came short of ending it with, "bite me". She tried to pass it off as a joke but no it's not funny. This whole, "are they here legally? Then they have nothing to worry". they are worried that all these idiots would even ask them that because they have a different skin color, look different or God forbid speak multiple languages. My husband and his father were hassled by authorities while standing on thousands of acres that they owned. They demanded to see their papers. Both of them were born on that land. My husband, being who he is and not easily intimidated, told them that he wanted to see their papers and to get the fuck off of his private property. They NEVER hassled the white neighbors. This is a standard and frequent experience for those who have brown skin. I am appalled. I would have no idea what kind of papers they would be referring to. What is this? Nazi Germany?
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