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Post by bc2ca on Nov 10, 2016 7:27:54 GMT
Even Israel? Do you think the US should abandon Israel? SaveSave
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 10, 2016 7:37:07 GMT
Thank you all for responding, both the good and the bad. Words on this board don't bother me they enlighten me. I voted where I needed to. The AMERICAN public has spoke and that is what counts. The majority of American was fed up of not being heard, let's ee what happensm I know it has already been pointed out, but I think it can't be said enough. Trump won the electoral college, not the majority vote. SaveSave
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Post by cade387 on Nov 10, 2016 8:18:30 GMT
That's one of those truisms that isn't: Poverty rate over timeIt's particularly interesting to note the extreme growth in the poverty rate during the Bush administration, when he was supposedly busy cutting taxes for the middle class, and in the first couple of years of the Obama administration when those tax cuts were still in effect. The causes of generational poverty are so much more complex than whether or not people are receiving welfare. And the fact that American manufacturing jobs have been phased out is not the fault of either party, but rather a function of normal economic changes over time. It's the free market at work, right? That's supposed to be a good thing. Our middle class is not suppressed and villainized. It has gotten a little too comfortable in thinking that certain kinds of jobs, like manufacturing or mining, will always be there, and suffers a bit in thinking that it is above certain kinds of jobs (I'm thinking here of the trades like plumbing or electrical work). People need re-training, some people may need re-location, and we as a country may need an attitude re-adjustment - but there is no one outside the middle class suppressing it. It is complex, and I concede you are right on some points. But the base middle class is being wrung dry. I will stand by that no matter what anyone says, because I and every middle class person I know is feeling the squeeze. Not everyone is able to go to college or even cut out for it. That doesn't mean they should be looked down on or that their contributions are less than. I honestly feel that the liberal machine has shamed people into thinking that being a plumber or a carpenter is bad. A white collar job with a 6-figure salary is the only way to go. That's unrealistic and an insult to millions of people. They voiced that sentiment on Tuesday. L I'm still trying to understand where DT said he gave a fuck about the middle class? His economic policies, as he envisions them, look to increase taxes on the middle class so the top can have more cuts. He wants to default on our debt, which will make it harder for everyone to buy a house or a car. They want to privatize many roads and allow for additional taxes on everyone and then he will increase the national debt by an obscene amount. When I tired to talk policy with pretty much anyone I know, they only went with sound bites and "believe me". Not I've of them went to Trump's own website to read his plans. The only way he bucks the establishment is to say the hateful, racist things he does. Otherwise he is just a rich, old white guy who thinks he knows how "little folks" should be handled - just like everyone else in Washington.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 8:43:20 GMT
I know I'm going to regret posting this....but here it goes. As someone who was repeatedly sexually assaulted as a young child, hearing Trump speak as he has...those ugly words that keep getting repeated... I can't help but to feel that all those that voted for him...my family, my friends, my neighbors, my fellow Americans...all of you who voted for him...think what happened to me is ok. Logically, rationally I know that not to be the case. But emotions are not rational. I feel like I've been literally punched in my gut. I am hurting. I truly don't know how I will handle the next 4 years of presidency. He...through his own words...is a trigger for me. I'm obviously not handling it well right now. Standing beside you in sisterhood. Rape and assault survivor. Yes, I took it hard too for the same damn reasons. Your post just haunted me and made me feel so not alone. My poor husband what he went through today. I was so uncharacteristic and crazy I screamed "Why do you care? Your a white male and Republican!" "Congrats to you it is your time." I still feel sick. Did I ever lower myself. My husband is holding me and telling me to get all the anger out. I lowered myself to one of the hate mongrels in this election. My husband is a die hard Republican, strict as can be about it and would not vote for Trump. He did a write in. That is my answer to the original question. Hate mongrels in every election. This one was the worst. No, I don't think most Trump supporter's are bigots, racists, misogynists. I live in a Red state. Donald was a given. My friends are highly educated, not racists and still supported Donald Trump. They hate Washington politics and wanted a change. I wanted to protect my body and a glass ceiling broke. I want a country that is not divided but united. I want a fluffy unicorn too. I am feeling a little disenchanted right now. I can't remember the OP or what page it was on but it is on the topic of American's only watching certain news outlets. I read several world newspapers every day. Not all American's are not informed. I don't watch Fox news. I don't watch a lot of TV because I love to read. I was following news feeds on election night. It was Tokyo's paper I received the news that Trump won, then the Washington Post.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 8:54:59 GMT
Morning all, Thank you all for your frankness, niceness and well...just thank you for taking the time to respond. It opened my eyes to what people post here and allowed me to see a small glimpse into the other side. Not the whole Anti Trump group as a whole but a small glimpse. Just like y'all only see a small glimpse of the Trump supporters side but choose to lump the majority of Trump supporters as a group. I have seen peas post that I didn't welcome an honset answer, I did , wouldn't have asked if I didn't. I responded back but on here (by some) its felt as an attack or me not wanting an answer.
I understand the Electoral vote elected Trump. MY reference to America is that, the American electoral process elected Trump. People came out in droves to vote, many whom have probably never voted before. Many probably do not have a college degree...that does not make them any less, many people are successful in their own way....without college. A degree does not make you better than someone else, it's a diffrent life path.
I thank you again for taking the time to respond... as a college educated, women, white, middle class, wife, mom, volunteer, LEO supporter, Miltary supporter, anti free government handouts, gun supporter & believes in deportation of illegal immigrants, tightening up our borders and defending our country...I will enjoy the next couple of years.
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Post by tincin on Nov 10, 2016 9:03:20 GMT
I spent a good bit of my school day answering questions from my junior high students. Many of them are African-American or Latino or immigrants. Some of their questions were about the process and how things work and just about what happened and will happen now and later. Other questions came from fear - wondering if they or their parents might be deported and how that would happen. Some tried to joke about it but there was underlying fear or apprehension. Some don't know if their family are all legal immigrants. ALL of them were shocked, dismayed and worried that Trump won. Talking and explaining things helped me to work through some of my emotions about this election and outcome. It's my birthday today and I spent most of it feeling pretty depressed, very much shocked (as in, this must be some really bad joke, right?), and yes, even appalled. One of the other teachers made a comment at lunch that resonated with me - that she was most bothered by the fact that so many of our fellow Americans actually voted for this man. I have felt for some time that the United States is very much divided, and pretty evenly split. Both halves have their own beliefs and approaches to things. Within each half there are different groups. Some people want their religious beliefs to dictate laws; others believe that another's religious teaching shouldn't be used to dictate what they can or cannot do. Some want all people to have the same rights, like marriage; others disagree and want those rights rolled back. Some believe that working for the collective good helps us all (a rising tide lifts all boats); and others want to ensure that they protect all that they have and think people should all look out for themselves. Some people think the country is headed in the wrong direction and want change, and others believe the the past was not as great as some purport it to have been and think that "Make America Great Again" is to return to life being good if you are a white middle-aged man. And many people are somewhere in the middle. As for this presidential campaign and election? I think the media did much to support Trump just because they gave him so much coverage early on. He got enormous amounts of free publicity that put him front and center in the view of voters. Personally, I firmly believe that he is an extreme narcissist and really only focused on himself. I don't believe he has the temperament or the background to be president. I don't think he has any real interest in governing on a daily basis (and Pence is more scary even than Trump to those of use who believe in equal rights and have LGBTQ friends and family), and does not have the intellectual curiosity or rigor to learn what he needs. He'll deal with that by bringing in "establishment" people - like Rudy Giuliani, which seems like a contradiction of what he ran on. As for his character? He showed us over and over that he has no problem looking like a racist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic, bigoted, nasty bully who mocks people and brags about sexual assaults. I do think he made it seem okay to say horrible things about others. That he encouraged his followers to chant things like "lock her up" and has threatened to jail his opponent - that is something dictators do, not candidates in a democracy. It disgusts me. Is everyone who voted for him all of those things? NO, and there is a difference between calling someone any of those words and questioning how someone can vote for a man who IS all of those things. Whether acceptance or outright approval or agreement, many of us cannot understand how anyone can choose to vote for this man. His words and actions are just so appalling. But, also, yes, some of his supporters ARE racist, homophobic, xenophobic, etc. And, those people feel they are more free to state those feelings openly. That scares me. I get that some people supported him because they want change and felt he was the one who could do that. But I'm not sure that people really know what they are going to get. He's already talking differently than when he was campaigning. How is he going to govern? And yes, they had to accept or agree with or ignore the awful character traits he has shown in order to vote for him. To me those character traits are so bad that I could never vote for him. That so many could absolutely baffles me and yes, depresses me too. I look at those I know who can overlook those traits in a different way now, and yes, I may have lost some respect for those who shrug off all his disgusting words and actions. For those who say that the majority has spoken - not exactly right. A very slim majority voted for Clinton, not Trump. And many of us who voted for her are now grieving and worrying - about our LGBTQ friends and family, about our loved ones who need to buy health insurance on the ACA exchange, about our students whose families may or may not be legal immigrants, about the disabled people who feel demeaned and marginalized by Trump and his supporters, about boys and men and girls who are learning that sexual assault can be bragged about in crude terms and you can then be elected president. My feelings? I'm horrified that so many echo him and that so many tacitly accept it in order to get the changes they think he'll bring. Do I want him to fail as president? No, because that would hurt all of us, the ones who are focused on their individual needs and families and those who want the country to work for the collective good of all of us. But I won't be unhappy if in two years there is a backlash against the Republicans and Trump at the midterm elections. Very well said.
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Post by tincin on Nov 10, 2016 9:13:16 GMT
Morning all, Thank you all for your frankness, niceness and well...just thank you for taking the time to respond. It opened my eyes to what people post here and allowed me to see a small glimpse into the other side. Not the whole Anti Trump group as a whole but a small glimpse. Just left ike y'all only see a small glimpse of the Trump supporters side but choose to lump the majority of Trump supporters as a group. I have seen peas post that I didn't welcome an honset answer, I did , wouldn't have asked if I didn't. I responded back but on here (by some) its felt as an attack or me not wanting an answer. I understand the Electoral vote elected Trump. MY reference to America is that, the American electoral process elected Trump. People came out in droves to vote, many whom have probably never voted before. Many probably do not have a college degree...that does not make them any less, many people are successful in their own way....without college. A degree does not make you better than someone else, it's a diffrent life path. I thank you again for taking the time to respond... as a college educated, women, white, middle class, wife, mom, volunteer, LEO supporter, Miltary supporter, anti free government handouts, gun supporter & believes in deportation of illegal immigrants, tightening up our borders and defending our country...I will enjoy the next couple of years. You just couldn't resist that one last dig could you? You asked our opinions and we gave them to you. I thought you honestly wanted to know but looking back now I see it was just to stir the pot. It worked and I will add this, I will stand by everything I said. I do believe that there's hate and bigotry in every cheeto supporter's heart, otherwise you wouldn't have been okay with all the hate that came out of his mouth. Own it.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 10, 2016 9:49:58 GMT
Can we say that many, not all, college-educated voters went for him, just to clarify? Yikes. Many college-educated voters went another way. Thanks. I posted the stat on another thread and am now on my phone so don't have the actual number - but a clear majority of white, college educated men voted for him (56ish) and something like 45% of college educated women - significant percentages. I realize that. I want it to be clear that a lot of us did not vote for him and would never have considered voting for him.
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Post by monklady123 on Nov 10, 2016 10:00:08 GMT
I spent a good bit of my school day answering questions from my junior high students. Many of them are African-American or Latino or immigrants. Some of their questions were about the process and how things work and just about what happened and will happen now and later. Other questions came from fear - wondering if they or their parents might be deported and how that would happen. Some tried to joke about it but there was underlying fear or apprehension. Some don't know if their family are all legal immigrants. ALL of them were shocked, dismayed and worried that Trump won. Talking and explaining things helped me to work through some of my emotions about this election and outcome. It's my birthday today and I spent most of it feeling pretty depressed, very much shocked (as in, this must be some really bad joke, right?), and yes, even appalled. One of the other teachers made a comment at lunch that resonated with me - that she was most bothered by the fact that so many of our fellow Americans actually voted for this man.I have felt for some time that the United States is very much divided, and pretty evenly split. Both halves have their own beliefs and approaches to things. Within each half there are different groups. Some people want their religious beliefs to dictate laws; others believe that another's religious teaching shouldn't be used to dictate what they can or cannot do. Some want all people to have the same rights, like marriage; others disagree and want those rights rolled back. Some believe that working for the collective good helps us all (a rising tide lifts all boats); and others want to ensure that they protect all that they have and think people should all look out for themselves. Some people think the country is headed in the wrong direction and want change, and others believe the the past was not as great as some purport it to have been and think that "Make America Great Again" is to return to life being good if you are a white middle-aged man. And many people are somewhere in the middle. As for this presidential campaign and election? I think the media did much to support Trump just because they gave him so much coverage early on. He got enormous amounts of free publicity that put him front and center in the view of voters. Personally, I firmly believe that he is an extreme narcissist and really only focused on himself. I don't believe he has the temperament or the background to be president. I don't think he has any real interest in governing on a daily basis (and Pence is more scary even than Trump to those of use who believe in equal rights and have LGBTQ friends and family), and does not have the intellectual curiosity or rigor to learn what he needs. He'll deal with that by bringing in "establishment" people - like Rudy Giuliani, which seems like a contradiction of what he ran on. As for his character? He showed us over and over that he has no problem looking like a racist, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic, bigoted, nasty bully who mocks people and brags about sexual assaults. I do think he made it seem okay to say horrible things about others. That he encouraged his followers to chant things like "lock her up" and has threatened to jail his opponent - that is something dictators do, not candidates in a democracy. It disgusts me. Is everyone who voted for him all of those things? NO, and there is a difference between calling someone any of those words and questioning how someone can vote for a man who IS all of those things. Whether acceptance or outright approval or agreement, many of us cannot understand how anyone can choose to vote for this man. His words and actions are just so appalling. But, also, yes, some of his supporters ARE racist, homophobic, xenophobic, etc. And, those people feel they are more free to state those feelings openly. That scares me. I get that some people supported him because they want change and felt he was the one who could do that. But I'm not sure that people really know what they are going to get. He's already talking differently than when he was campaigning. How is he going to govern? And yes, they had to accept or agree with or ignore the awful character traits he has shown in order to vote for him. To me those character traits are so bad that I could never vote for him. That so many could absolutely baffles me and yes, depresses me too. I look at those I know who can overlook those traits in a different way now, and yes, I may have lost some respect for those who shrug off all his disgusting words and actions. For those who say that the majority has spoken - not exactly right. A very slim majority voted for Clinton, not Trump. And many of us who voted for her are now grieving and worrying - about our LGBTQ friends and family, about our loved ones who need to buy health insurance on the ACA exchange, about our students whose families may or may not be legal immigrants, about the disabled people who feel demeaned and marginalized by Trump and his supporters, about boys and men and girls who are learning that sexual assault can be bragged about in crude terms and you can then be elected president. My feelings? I'm horrified that so many echo him and that so many tacitly accept it in order to get the changes they think he'll bring. Do I want him to fail as president? No, because that would hurt all of us, the ones who are focused on their individual needs and families and those who want the country to work for the collective good of all of us. But I won't be unhappy if in two years there is a backlash against the Republicans and Trump at the midterm elections. I saw where someone quoted you on the last page so I had to go back a few pages to find it because I wanted to quote you also, so you get that little notification up top. I also spent some of the day talking to children about this. Only mine weren't middle school, they were elementary school! We have a very diverse school and many of our immigrant children, or children of immigrants, have heard all the talking at home and are scared. But, the part I bolded above in your comment, that's the part that gets me. This is where the grief and horror come from, I think, in those of us who truly believe that Trump is a horrible person. Other Americans actually voted for him, actually think that his character is okay to have in the White House. And eta: I never answered the original question on page 1 -- My answer is yes. Yes I do.
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Post by anika on Nov 10, 2016 10:21:06 GMT
Do Clinton supporters really think all Trump supporters are racist, uncaring, ignorant either this or just dump and easy to manipulate. yes. I might be a little biased as I am from germany, but I know my grandparents told me how everything sounded so good in the beginning what was going to happen and how it will help the country & the people... and we all know how it turned out in the end.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 10, 2016 10:59:50 GMT
Morning all, Thank you all for your frankness, niceness and well...just thank you for taking the time to respond. It opened my eyes to what people post here and allowed me to see a small glimpse into the other side. Not the whole Anti Trump group as a whole but a small glimpse. Just like y'all only see a small glimpse of the Trump supporters side but choose to lump the majority of Trump supporters as a group. I have seen peas post that I didn't welcome an honset answer, I did , wouldn't have asked if I didn't. I responded back but on here (by some) its felt as an attack or me not wanting an answer. I understand the Electoral vote elected Trump. MY reference to America is that, the American electoral process elected Trump. People came out in droves to vote, many whom have probably never voted before. Many probably do not have a college degree...that does not make them any less, many people are successful in their own way....without college. A degree does not make you better than someone else, it's a diffrent life path. I thank you again for taking the time to respond... as a college educated, women, white, middle class, wife, mom, volunteer, LEO supporter, Miltary supporter, anti free government handouts, gun supporter & believes in deportation of illegal immigrants, tightening up our borders and defending our country...I will enjoy the next couple of years. I don't think that most liberals believe that those who work in trades are lesser. I certainly don't. But again, you asked a question and got very honest answers. I don't believe that all of his fans are racist and sexist. But many of them, IMO, seem to be. Do I have proof of that? No, it's my opinion. You enjoy his presidency. I hope that it goes well. I am looking forward to watching Congress spring into action after their 8 year rest. We will see how well they handle power.
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Post by monklady123 on Nov 10, 2016 11:32:21 GMT
Morning all, Thank you all for your frankness, niceness and well...just thank you for taking the time to respond. It opened my eyes to what people post here and allowed me to see a small glimpse into the other side. Not the whole Anti Trump group as a whole but a small glimpse. Just like y'all only see a small glimpse of the Trump supporters side but choose to lump the majority of Trump supporters as a group. I have seen peas post that I didn't welcome an honset answer, I did , wouldn't have asked if I didn't. I responded back but on here (by some) its felt as an attack or me not wanting an answer. I understand the Electoral vote elected Trump. MY reference to America is that, the American electoral process elected Trump. People came out in droves to vote, many whom have probably never voted before. Many probably do not have a college degree...that does not make them any less, many people are successful in their own way....without college. A degree does not make you better than someone else, it's a diffrent life path. I thank you again for taking the time to respond... as a college educated, women, white, middle class, wife, mom, volunteer, LEO supporter, Miltary supporter, anti free government handouts, gun supporter & believes in deportation of illegal immigrants, tightening up our borders and defending our country...I will enjoy the next couple of years. I don't think that most liberals believe that those who work in trades are lesser. I certainly don't. But again, you asked a question and got very honest answers. I don't believe that all of his fans are cost and sexist. But many of them, IMO, seem to be. Do I have proof of that? No, it's my opinion. You enjoy his presidency. I hope that it goes well. I am looking forward to watching Congress spring into action after their 8 year rest. We will see how well they handle power.Yes, they are well-rested so they should be good to go, since the only thing they've done in eight years is whatever was the opposite of what President Obama wanted.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 11:32:30 GMT
I did not read through all 6 pages, but YES, I think you (general you Trump voters) are either grossly misinformed or you must support racism, misogyny, the pussy grabbing of women just because you (again general you) can, antisemitism, xenophobia, homophobia, the intolerance of people with disabilities and just flat out bullying in general. I do agree with you that our government needs a shake up, but Trump is not the answer. Not even close. He is the most divisive candidate I have ever seen and has brought out the worst in ppl. His victory speech was too little, too late and NOTHHING like his campaign persona. Some of his most vitriolic supporters must be thinking WTF? So those that didn't agree with HRC's views/plans/visions to shake up the government should have just stayed home and not voted? Those that felt she is not the answer to the government shake up should have thrown their support to HRC anyway?
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Post by grinningcat on Nov 10, 2016 11:35:02 GMT
I did not read through all 6 pages, but YES, I think you (general you Trump voters) are either grossly misinformed or you must support racism, misogyny, the pussy grabbing of women just because you (again general you) can, antisemitism, xenophobia, homophobia, the intolerance of people with disabilities and just flat out bullying in general. I do agree with you that our government needs a shake up, but Trump is not the answer. Not even close. He is the most divisive candidate I have ever seen and has brought out the worst in ppl. His victory speech was too little, too late and NOTHHING like his campaign persona. Some of his most vitriolic supporters must be thinking WTF? So those that didn't agree with HRC's views/plans/visions to shake up the government should have just stayed home and not voted? Those that felt she is not the answer to the government shake up should have thrown their support to HRC anyway? There were other candidates to vote for. Maybe if people had stopped considering them "throw away votes", maybe there would have been an actual change.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 12:17:19 GMT
Do Clinton supporters really think all Trump supporters are racist, uncaring, ignorant either this or just dump and easy to manipulate. yes. I might be a little biased as I am from germany, but I know my grandparents told me how everything sounded so good in the beginning what was going to happen and how it will help the country & the people... and we all know how it turned out in the end. So you are comparing Trump to Hilter....I don't even know how to respond to that.
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Post by moodyblue on Nov 10, 2016 12:31:57 GMT
either this or just dump and easy to manipulate. yes. I might be a little biased as I am from germany, but I know my grandparents told me how everything sounded so good in the beginning what was going to happen and how it will help the country & the people... and we all know how it turned out in the end. So you are comparing Trump to Hilter....I don't even know how to respond to that. This is a comparison that was made many times, and not just on this board, during the campaign. For a number of people listening in this country and outside, his rhetoric, his denigration of many groups, does bear some resemblance to the early stages of Hitler's rise to power. Other comments he made make it sound like he would act more like a dictator than a president (jailing an opponent, restricting journalists and free press, for example). Those are part of what so many of us saw as frightening characteristics, along with the fact that so many were willing to dismiss or accept those things and vote for him. Yes, he may just be full of hot air and never really do those things - but then again, that too is disturbing to think that people either wanted him to or don't care that he's said stuff he will never do. "Change" at any cost is not necessarily good change for all.
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Post by gar on Nov 10, 2016 12:39:37 GMT
either this or just dump and easy to manipulate. yes. I might be a little biased as I am from germany, but I know my grandparents told me how everything sounded so good in the beginning what was going to happen and how it will help the country & the people... and we all know how it turned out in the end. So you are comparing Trump to Hilter....I don't even know how to respond to that. You need to remember that people didn't consider Hitler a danger initially. His supporters would have responded with disbelief at criticism, just as you have.
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Post by grinningcat on Nov 10, 2016 13:07:45 GMT
either this or just dump and easy to manipulate. yes. I might be a little biased as I am from germany, but I know my grandparents told me how everything sounded so good in the beginning what was going to happen and how it will help the country & the people... and we all know how it turned out in the end. So you are comparing Trump to Hilter....I don't even know how to respond to that. This is not a new comparison. I'm surprised you haven't heard it. It's been everywhere since Trump's candidacy started. There is actually a kernel or two of truth in it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 13:41:06 GMT
So you are comparing Trump to Hilter....I don't even know how to respond to that. You need to remember that people didn't consider Hitler a danger initially. His supporters would have responded with disbelief at criticism, just as you have. So because Trump believes in tightening our borders and deportation of illegal immigrants he's Hilter? That fear mongering and plays into people's fear. I welcome tighter acces to our country, come here legally and be welcomed. Come her illegal and be removed. Why should we pay for those that aren't willing to work for their American dream?
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Post by gar on Nov 10, 2016 13:49:23 GMT
You need to remember that people didn't consider Hitler a danger initially. His supporters would have responded with disbelief at criticism, just as you have. So because Trump believes in tightening our borders and deportation of illegal immigrants he's Hilter? That fear mongering and plays into people's fear. I welcome tighter acces to our country, come here legally and be welcomed. Come her illegal and be removed. Why should we pay for those that aren't willing to work for their American dream? No, not because he wants to tighten borders, but because he talks like a dictator yet makes it all sound so very reasonable and acceptable, talks about imprisoning opponents etc etc.
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Post by mollycoddle on Nov 10, 2016 13:53:06 GMT
I don't think that most liberals believe that those who work in trades are lesser. I certainly don't. But again, you asked a question and got very honest answers. I don't believe that all of his fans are cost and sexist. But many of them, IMO, seem to be. Do I have proof of that? No, it's my opinion. You enjoy his presidency. I hope that it goes well. I am looking forward to watching Congress spring into action after their 8 year rest. We will see how well they handle power.Yes, they are well-rested so they should be good to go, since the only thing they've done in eight years is whatever was the opposite of what President Obama wanted. Precisely.
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Post by Merge on Nov 10, 2016 14:21:18 GMT
That's one of those truisms that isn't: Poverty rate over timeIt's particularly interesting to note the extreme growth in the poverty rate during the Bush administration, when he was supposedly busy cutting taxes for the middle class, and in the first couple of years of the Obama administration when those tax cuts were still in effect. The causes of generational poverty are so much more complex than whether or not people are receiving welfare. And the fact that American manufacturing jobs have been phased out is not the fault of either party, but rather a function of normal economic changes over time. It's the free market at work, right? That's supposed to be a good thing. Our middle class is not suppressed and villainized. It has gotten a little too comfortable in thinking that certain kinds of jobs, like manufacturing or mining, will always be there, and suffers a bit in thinking that it is above certain kinds of jobs (I'm thinking here of the trades like plumbing or electrical work). People need re-training, some people may need re-location, and we as a country may need an attitude re-adjustment - but there is no one outside the middle class suppressing it. It is complex, and I concede you are right on some points. But the base middle class is being wrung dry. I will stand by that no matter what anyone says, because I and every middle class person I know is feeling the squeeze. Not everyone is able to go to college or even cut out for it. That doesn't mean they should be looked down on or that their contributions are less than. I honestly feel that the liberal machine has shamed people into thinking that being a plumber or a carpenter is bad. A white collar job with a 6-figure salary is the only way to go. That's unrealistic and an insult to millions of people. They voiced that sentiment on Tuesday. L Again with blaming the liberals for your problems. I'm a white schoolteacher with a master's degree. I just wrote a non-degreed electrician a check for more than I make in a month to do a week's worth of work in our house. Being an electrician is a great and lucrative job. There is plenty of work available and you set your own rates and hours. If you (general you) are choosing to sit around and moan that your factory job went away instead of jumping on something like that, I fail to see how that's the liberals' fault. If you're feeling the squeeze, do what you're so fond of telling the poor to do and go find those bootstraps. You don't have the weight of generational poverty holding you back. Quit letting Donald Trump and his ilk tell you that someone else is to blame.
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Post by peano on Nov 10, 2016 14:37:35 GMT
either this or just dump and easy to manipulate. yes. I might be a little biased as I am from germany, but I know my grandparents told me how everything sounded so good in the beginning what was going to happen and how it will help the country & the people... and we all know how it turned out in the end. So you are comparing Trump to Hilter....I don't even know how to respond to that. Perhaps you were busy passing notes during HS History class... Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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used2scrap
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Post by used2scrap on Nov 10, 2016 14:40:21 GMT
You need to remember that people didn't consider Hitler a danger initially. His supporters would have responded with disbelief at criticism, just as you have. So because Trump believes in tightening our borders and deportation of illegal immigrants he's Hilter? That fear mongering and plays into people's fear. I welcome tighter acces to our country, come here legally and be welcomed. Come her illegal and be removed. Why should we pay for those that aren't willing to work for their American dream? Excluding an entire class of immigrants based on religion is hate, not "tightening our borders".
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~Lauren~
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Nov 10, 2016 14:43:37 GMT
Proper vetting rather than just opening our doors wide to large numbers of people from countries with known terrorists is not "hate". It's smart.
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trollie
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Post by trollie on Nov 10, 2016 14:56:52 GMT
I did not read through all 6 pages, but YES, I think you (general you Trump voters) are either grossly misinformed or you must support racism, misogyny, the pussy grabbing of women just because you (again general you) can, antisemitism, xenophobia, homophobia, the intolerance of people with disabilities and just flat out bullying in general. I do agree with you that our government needs a shake up, but Trump is not the answer. Not even close. He is the most divisive candidate I have ever seen and has brought out the worst in ppl. His victory speech was too little, too late and NOTHHING like his campaign persona. Some of his most vitriolic supporters must be thinking WTF? So those that didn't agree with HRC's views/plans/visions to shake up the government should have just stayed home and not voted? Those that felt she is not the answer to the government shake up should have thrown their support to HRC anyway? Of course not, but to throw it towards a racist, sexist, misogynistic, xenophobic, homophobic bully is also not the answer.
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Sarah*H
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Post by Sarah*H on Nov 10, 2016 15:23:25 GMT
If you're not, you're perfectly willing to associate with those who are and to give legitimacy to those points of view. In my opinion, that's almost worse.
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PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Nov 10, 2016 15:34:00 GMT
As an independent/unaffiliated voter, I'm baffled by the hate & hypocrisy of the candidates & their staunch supporters during this election cycle. I respect every American's right to vote, the process, & the outcome. Let's work together to make our country great!
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carhoch
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Post by carhoch on Nov 10, 2016 18:21:50 GMT
Even Israel? Do you think the US should abandon Israel? SaveSave its everybody or nobody
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 20:04:15 GMT
You're good with what she's done based on false information that has been corrected here several times, yet it keeps being spouted as fact. And agreed with by many.
"Money did not prevent them from increasing security at the embassy. Repeat, it did not prevent it. There is a special fund available for just such contingencies. THEY DID NOT REQUEST ANY FUNDS."
"Congress had been responsive in providing “Overseas Contingency Operations” funds to the State Department in response to emergent security-driven requests, mainly for Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan."
“However, there was no supplemental or OCO request made by the President for additional diplomatic security enhancements in FY 2010 or FY 2011,” the report pointedly noted. “Neither the Department of State nor Congress made a point of providing additional funds in a supplemental request for Libya, or more specifically, Benghazi.”
"State Department Official Charlene Lamb Testified Before The House Oversight Committee That Budget Cuts Had Nothing To Do With Security Decisions In Benghazi. REP. DANA ROHRABACHER (R-CA): “It has been suggested the budget cuts are responsible for lack of security in Benghazi, and I’d like to ask Ms. Lamb, you made this decision personally, was there any budget consideration and lack of budget that led you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?” CHARLENE LAMB: “No, sir.” (U.S. House Of Representatives, Oversight And Government Reform Committee, Hearing, 10/10/12)"
He does not talk about imprisoning opponents. His point was about someone who violated laws should be in jail, not that she should be jailed for opposing him. There are enough facts to disagree with him about, stop making up stuff to push your belief he's a dictator. Either the facts support it or they don't.
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